McCain Ape Rape Joke Recalled By Sources

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First Posted: 07-15-08 06:37 PM   |   Updated: 07-23-08 05:12 AM

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News circulated fast late Tuesday afternoon that back in 1986, during his initial run for the Senate, John McCain allegedly told a crude joke about rape involving a woman's affection for an ape.

The story, which was reprised on the blog Rum, Romanism and Rebellion before being blasted out by Think Progress, goes like this: In an appearance before the National League of Cities and Towns in Washington D.C., McCain supposedly asked the crowd if they had heard "the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die?"

The punch line: "When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, "Where is that marvelous ape?"

Eeeshh. The joke, as one can imagine, did not go over well with various women's groups, which responded with indignation. But the McCain campaign denied that he had ever said the offensive gag.

"It's pretty obvious to us that this is a politically motivated sideshow," Torrie Clarke, McCain's spokeswoman at the time, said back in 1986. Till this day it has never been proven definitively true or false whether the Senator ever said the line.

The Huffington Post reached out to the original reporter in that story, Norma Coile (who after talking to multiple sources months after it was told wrote about the response to the rape joke in the Tuscon Citizen) to find out if she thought it was true.

"I'm not sure exactly what the wording was of the joke, but something was said. Some joke involving a rape and ape was said. Enough women repeated it to me at the time and the McCain campaign had a non-denial denial," said Coile, now with the Arizona Daily Star. "It came after his 'Seizure World' joke, in which he referred to the [retirement community] Leisure World as Seizure World... I just think it reinforced this idea that John McCain is humor-challenged. Whatever his qualities, he seems to have a tin ear for how these jokes will go over."

Indeed, while this anecdote occurred more than 20 years ago, McCain has occasionally found himself with his foot in his mouth throughout his time in public office. Back in 1998, he odiously declared before a GOP crowd: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."

More recently he joked that it might be good for the United States to keep exporting cigarettes to Iran as cancer would prove an effective weapon against that country's citizens.

But venturing into the extremely sensitive subject of rape and humor is not something that - even 22 years later - will endear McCain to the women voters his campaign has sought to recruit. And organizations in Arizona that weighed in on that 1986 line see it as another example of the Senator not being sensitive to female issues and concerns.

"I don't think we can say one example like that is indicative of someone's character. But certainly I think John McCain has made lots of quotes where he says jokes like that," said Linda Barter, head of the Arizona Women's Political Caucus, which objected to McCain's joke at the time. "Our organizational purpose, however, is to increase the number of elected and appointed women, and we support pro-choice women, so there is certainly a division there. John McCain has not been pro-choice or supportive of issues related to women's reproductive health."

News circulated fast late Tuesday afternoon that back in 1986, during his initial run for the Senate, John McCain allegedly told a crude joke about rape involving a woman's affection for an ape. The ...
News circulated fast late Tuesday afternoon that back in 1986, during his initial run for the Senate, John McCain allegedly told a crude joke about rape involving a woman's affection for an ape. The ...
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- mom2sons I'm a Fan of mom2sons 5 fans permalink

This is a racist joke and if someone had used "massa" instead of ape it would have been disgusting as well. WTF, black women were raped day after day by "massa" give me a freakin break, like white women are the ONLY virtuous women. BS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 07/18/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 122 fans permalink
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UH, I don't know where you drew your last conclusion from, but you have some major racist issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 07/19/2008
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A recent Newsweek article on Cindy McCain stated that John McCain didn't even live with his wife. She was left alone to raise the children while he was in Washington. His blatant disregard for his family speaks volumes to me. I was going to vote for John McCain but it ain't gonna happen now folks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 07/18/2008

Wow... it doesn't take much for you to change your vote! Does a candidates' position on major policy issues play any role in who you decide to vote for?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 07/18/2008

McCain serially displays contempt for women and contempt for the Middle East, then puts on his soft voice and gets all sincere when it suits him, like criticizing the New Yorker Obama cartoon. This soft and fuzzy McCain charms the fawning msm (think of David Gregory dancing onstage to rapper Karl M.C. Rove) who want to foment the appearance of a competitive race for the White House so their ratings will increase, thus increasing their ad revenues, thus increasing their already inflated salaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 AM on 07/18/2008

He doesn't only have a "tin ear" for a risque punchline. He actually must think these insults are funny. I have a rather close relative who would crack up at the ape line. I guess the "conceptual discontinuity" that passes for humor, is that the beating didn't seem to leave an impression. The woman just wanted more rape.

Surely this sort of insult in public from a supposed representative of the people should in itself disqualify a person for public office. To deliver such a line shouts disrespect for those listening to it. I'm not a woman, or an ape, but just reading about it made me feel disused and soiled. It must be worse, for someone the "joke" implicates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 07/18/2008

There is another outrage here. As an animal rights activist, I am concerned that this joke portrays apes as violent sex-crazed brutes. In reality, apes are gentle and peaceful. Was Jane Goodall ever raped? No way. I mean, there is the bad rap that apes get for masturbating in public zoos and the occasional flinging of poo, but I believe these behaviors occur because of their cruel captivity and shouldn't be held against them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 07/18/2008

Great post on a Friday afternoon.­..I fell out of my chair laughing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 07/18/2008
- dartagnan I'm a Fan of dartagnan 50 fans permalink
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"I mean, there is the bad rap that apes get for masturbating in public zoos and the occasional flinging of poo, but I believe these behaviors occur because of their cruel captivity ..."

Nope, they do it in the wild too. (Just in case your comment was serious -- it's hard to tell these days.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 07/18/2008
- Pragmatus I'm a Fan of Pragmatus 3 fans permalink
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Well, it's the Tucson Citizen, not Tuscon. Tuscany is in Italy...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 07/17/2008
- LWkcma I'm a Fan of LWkcma 5 fans permalink

Wonder how he feels now that he is a member of "seizure world", the man needs to be retired.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 07/17/2008

that was the best part of the article - lol - could be a whole new article - lol mcain't is so far beyond his retirement years - he needs to go on to the home

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 07/18/2008

Being John McCain. This could be a movie, if it weren't a sad commentary on how pitiful the Republican nominating process was. As arduous, exhausting and torturous, the Democratic nomination cycle was, at least it produced a credible candidate not prone to gaffes day after day after day. Does the Republican Party regret sticking with an anti-democratic winner-take-all primary process? Because this is the nominee they are stuck with unless they decided to nominate someone else at the Republican National Convention.

Out in the real world, if I had made this comment in the classroom or in a faculty meeting, I might very well have been censured. A note might have gone into my personnel file. Or, if I hadn't yet made tenure, I could have been dismissed for this transgression. But then candidate McCain can get away with a non-denial denial, despite the mountain of evidence indicating that he did say it. But, then again, what's evidence to a Republican? Stay the course!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 07/17/2008

In what universe is the Ape Rape thing funny? to qualify as a joke it has to
have something humorous to it. there is no humor in it AT ALL!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 07/17/2008
- kwijibo I'm a Fan of kwijibo 9 fans permalink
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The gist of this story is that the joke was an unsubstantiated rumor. Nobody went on record with the original reporter, the reporter cites a vague reference about "a joke being told" and "several women" hearing "something­."

I say it's most likely (and damn near certain) that at least one of the women/men/people was simply repeating the unsubstantiated (and non-existent) "joke" that someone else insisted actually happened, even though that person never heard the joke either. Something like "one of my friends told me that her friend heard John McCain say such-and-such!" Barring anyone going on the record and saying "I HEARD JOHN MCCAIN SAY IT," (something that hasn't happened and won't happen because the joke never happened) it's an ugly rumor and one that humorless progressives will gleefully exploit. It's a classic demonstration and definition of what a rumor is.

Nobody dares give it serious question because then they would appear to be insensitive to women and be trying to defend McCain on the indefensible, albeit non-existent, tasteless joke. It fits into the progressive playbook in that it attributes a terrible thing to a non-progressive; the best part is that it doesn't have to be substantiated. Many progressives are willing to accept such a terrible rumor at face value without digging down and having two or more people on record saying "I heard this" or in this case, ANYONE on record saying they had heard it with their own ears.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 07/17/2008

Sorry, but the gist of this story is not as you would have it. Yes, his comments belong to the pre-You Tube, pre-cellphone camera, pre-Huff on the Bus era when it would have been recorded. Then, there wouldn't be any need to get a witness to commit to print. That said, the reporter's subsequent efforts - three months after the fact - seem pretty convincing. Combine that with the inability of the McCain campaign to issue a flat-out denial and the case is mounting. Besides, is this joke out of character for other attempts at humor that McCain has made? No!

Denial, as you would have it, is more than just a river in Egypt. It is characteristic of every single Republican, including John McCain, and Joe Liebermann who have denied the obvious about Iraq. about the economy, about the Constitution, about waterboarding and everything else that is an outrage to this country's sometime desire to live up to the democratic aspirations of its post-Civil War constitution.

For what it's worth, the dueling 10:20 am testimony/press conference of Ben Bernanke and Dubya, savagely skewered on the Daily Show, requires no further comment. McCain, son of Cain, clone of Bush!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 07/18/2008

Are you a criminal defense attorney, or simply in denial about the repeated mean-spirited insensitivity of your client?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 AM on 07/18/2008
- JFaye I'm a Fan of JFaye 40 fans permalink

There is absolutely nothing humorous about seizures, rape, cigarettes and ensuing lung cancer. Such callousness whereby a reasonably intelligent and sensitive adult would resort to treating humorless life issues as a "joke" is intolerable. It pained me terribly when our current sitting president thought it appropriate to entertain with a "joke" about weapons of mass destruction whilst young men and women were in Iraq … at his command … being killed and maimed as well killing and wounding others. To learn later he knew no WMDs existed … such deceit and resulting carnage should offend every American.

Arguably, rape, seizures and lung cancer are not hot political issues, yet we catch a glimpse of Mr. McCain’s soul and character through his words. A woman who has been raped, the child with epilepsy who screams out in pain, and the “joke” about flooding cigarettes into their society … lung cancer, even for Iranians is a nasty, suffering illness. Such “jokes” are offensive. Quite honestly, I've had enough with a LEADER who is orally challenged­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 07/17/2008

Who's his joke writer. Earl Butz?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz#Scandals_and_resignation

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 07/17/2008
- bagelmaven I'm a Fan of bagelmaven 20 fans permalink
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I am NO apologist for John McCain. I am an ARDENT Democrat and support our presumptive nominee Obama. However, whether it is McCain's joke or the New Yorker cover, we MUST MUST MUST MUST eschew the media's attempt at sensationalizing and pop culturizing absolutely EVERYTHING a candidate says or a movement he makes which relate NOTHING to the issues at hand. It is the media's attempt to get you to watch and their attempt to make themselves very rich.

Ad infinitum commentary on a joke, a fist bump, a turban picture, a minister's utterances have NO PLACE and NO IMPORTANCE in relation to the desperate issues facing this country and the world today. We are a nation facing an abyss. Wasting time talking about things ridiculous will be tragic for our country. We face a probable recession if not depression, we face eternal war, we face killing and dying, we face a planet melting and smothering. We face an Orwellian world. The American public MUST take an interest in the forces of history and understand just what it will mean if a candidate takes office. We must discuss the ISSUES and the issues alone. Our lives, our military lives, our country and our planet's life depend upon it. We must recognize what is important and concentrate on the nuance of policy not the insanity of superficiality . Too much is at stake! Wake up, America, before it is too late.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 07/17/2008
- DoTheMath I'm a Fan of DoTheMath 48 fans permalink

Excellent points. However, McCain's "sense of humor" has a direct bearing on "the desperate issues facing this country and the world today." A man who jokes publicly about bombing another country or killing the citizens of another country with shipments of cigarettes poses a serious threat to our national security.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 07/17/2008
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I fear to disagree with HuffPo's Pick, but I remember GW Bush joking about Karla Faye Tucker's upcoming execution and mocking her. If we had all listened to the way that man (Bush) had used his humor would we all be in the jam we are in today?

Too much is at stake NOT to listen to those marks of character that act as tells to how these people view themselves and the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 07/17/2008
- Kurt I'm a Fan of Kurt 3 fans permalink

This would make an interesting study by geniune researchers (being the political trivia seeker I am) Abraham Lincoln aside, who were the most humerous presidents and did it have an effect on their ability to communicate, and be loved by the people, and get their policies issued.

McCain made/makes stupid sensless jokes at times and whether or not the American people want to vote for him for president is their decision, they did for Reagan, I am voting for Obama for other proactive reasons however not against McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 07/17/2008

This joke says everything we need to know about this fool.Enoug­h is ENOUGH!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 07/17/2008

In general, I agree with you; we all need to do what we can to raise the level of thought and debate in this country. And yes, the fist bump, or the lapel pin, or any of a dozen other meaningless non-issues that have been harped on by the media should just go away.

That said, I have to say that this joke of McCain's - this horribly offensive joke - matters to me. Does not his uttering that joke in public reveal a great deal about this man's character and judgment (specifically his lack thereof)?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 07/17/2008
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Every single thing huffpost tells you about McCain is going to be "horribly offensive" to you. That's why it's here. To satisfy your endless apatite to be "horribly offended", aghast, shocked and appalled.
They'll have something else for you tomorrow so just try to relax until then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 07/17/2008
- Moshe I'm a Fan of Moshe 210 fans permalink
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Great post Bagelmaven.

But I think Sam Stein's point is that just below the facade, John McCain is a really nasty guy, and character always matters.

Seriously, what kind of a person thinks these sorts of vile "jokes" are funny. Worse yet, how dark are the inner workings of McCains mind that he would think that others would find these revolting comments funny?

Character not only matters, it's the thing that matters the most.

I could have learned to live with George W., for example, if he was only incompetent. But he's not just incompetent. He has very serious character flaws. He's insensitive, arrogant, condescending, dishonest, and generally displays contempt for the lives and futures of others. In short, much of what is bad about George W. is directly related to his bad character.

Concerning McCain's character, McCain is infamous for his nasty temper, commonly using angry explitives to describe both opponents and colleagues, and even shockingly refering to his own wife in public as a "c-nt."

That is not the type of person you want as your president.

Character matters, so evidence of bad character matters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 07/17/2008
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...and when he was laughing and singing "Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran", I cringed. I have a feeling that McCain suffered psychological damage due to the suffering he endured during the Vietnam War and, while I feel sorry that it happened to him, I do not think he has the mental capacity to be President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 07/18/2008
- KevinMast I'm a Fan of KevinMast 14 fans permalink
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So well put Bagelmaven. We must stay with the issues & force the candidates to do so instead of resorting to schoolyard namecalling. I am glad to see that Obama has for the most part stayed away from doing so himself. I hope that is the beginning of a new type of politics in this country. Both parties have strayed so far away from what they are supposed to stand for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 07/18/2008

I'm very liberal but I have laughed at funny right wing jokes. I don't think his jokes are funny. Perhaps being in my mid fifties I'm too young to get it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 07/17/2008
- robbep I'm a Fan of robbep 23 fans permalink

i am sure this wont affect the Hillary for McCain group.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 07/17/2008
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Well, robbep, it affected THIS Hillary for McCain person! I am fed up with John McCain...

If only Al Gore would have been able to take his rightful place as President in 2000...the world would be so much different and there would have been No Iraq war!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 07/18/2008
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