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First Posted: 07-16-08 03:19 PM   |   Updated: 07-24-08 05:12 AM

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Some former top Hillary Clinton fundraisers have received attention in recent days for thus far declining to help bundle donations for Barack Obama. But none of those figures was actively working against Obama's candidacy. Ricki Lieberman is another matter.

Also a former Clinton "Hillraiser" (meaning she raised more than $100,000 for the campaign), Lieberman is keeping her own private hope alive with a daily email blast to supporters, entitled "Electability Watch," which features a cascade of negative articles and other items about Obama as a means to argue that superdelegates should change their minds in Denver and crown Clinton the nominee instead. A tipster who described them as "disgusting" sent a batch of recent "Electability Watch" emails to the Huffington Post. Their authenticity was confirmed in a phone conversation with Ms. Lieberman, who said her only desire is to "see a Democratic president in the White House" next year.

Any Democrat, perhaps, except Barack Obama -- or "BO aka Bush 3," as Lieberman repeatedly refers to him. The emails sometimes go out of their way to parrot some of the most hardcore attacks on Obama, including comments comparing Obama's planned nomination speech to Nazi-era rallies in Germany. In one email, she quotes messages from apparent Holocaust survivors:

I have heard from many Survivors and their children about the symbolism and implications of use of rules to undermine our core democratic values. Ellen Mendel wrote that "I was born under Hitler in Germany, and reading about the plans for the Obama throng in the stadium in Denver and the implications which have been spelled out, gives me the chills...the DNC will deliver the country to Obama on a platter. I wonder when it will hit them what pawns they have been in this Faustian tragedy.


Another, "As someone who escaped from France during WW ll, I hope that I'm not being over dramatic when I'm more than uneasy with stuff like Obama's possible Denver stadium theatrics and the calibrated negotiations going on about the convention."

Other emails from Lieberman cite Obama's "alliances with a cast of characters include Louis Farrahkan," and urge people to contact the German embassy to protest "Obama's grandiose, inappropriate hope" to speak at the Brandenburg Gate.

In an interview, Lieberman said it is incumbent upon the party's superdelegates to take another cold, hard look at which candidate will be more electable in the fall. Given that neither Obama nor Clinton managed to win enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination, a switch from Obama to Clinton is a technical possibility that nevertheless seems highly improbable.

A spokesperson for Sen. Clinton implicitly distanced the candidate from Lieberman's effort, telling the Huffington Post: "Senator Clinton fully supports Senator Obama. She continues to urge all of her supporters to get behind him. ... She continues to do everything she can to rally folks behind him. We don't support any effort that doesn't."

Still, Lieberman presses on each and every day with her emails, signing off each one with an exhortation for her audience to "GO GO GO!!!" in their efforts to contact and persuade superdelegates. While Lieberman would not reveal the number of people on her list, she bragged in one email that her organization is "beginning to reach SDs [superdelegates] thousands of times a week."

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Lieberman's emails can also be unintentionally funny. In a recent edition, she advanced a theory that the reason Obama's fundraising operation has started to show some signs of wear is because all those small donors during the primary were, in truth, closet McCain supporters who, instead of donating to his foundering campaign, were trying to destroy the most formidable Democratic candidate (that being Clinton). "And now they do not have to contribute anymore," Lieberman wrote. "Some may have even gone back to funding McCain whose fundraising has gotten better and better. SIGH... Any takers for this theory???"

In her effort to be comprehensive, Lieberman once included two mutually exclusive views on one hot story, apparently because both positions reflected poorly on Obama. During the recent Jesse Jackson controversy -- in which the civil rights leader was caught expressing his desire to "cut [Obama's] nuts off" in a hot-mic moment before a television appearance -- Lieberman's email suggested in back to back items that the entire incident was engineered by Jackson and Obama as a cynical bit of propaganda and that the incident was a true reflection of a growing displeasure among key black leaders with his candidacy.

Asked whether her relentless tearing down of Obama could potentially damage her oft-stated goal of seeing a Democratic president, Lieberman refused to concede the point. Ultimately, she described Obama as "unfit to be president."

So which is it? Does Lieberman want to see a Democratic president no matter what, or does she think it's important to advance the idea of Obama as unfit to lead?

"Well, it's both," she said. "Basically, my focus is on having her become the nominee."

What does Lieberman make of Clinton's campaigning on behalf of Obama?

"Well, look. A lot of people can say a lot of things and they do."

Does she share with some other Hillraisers a desire to see Clinton become Obama's running mate?

"I don't even think about it," adding that it's unseemly to speculate on such things before a nominee is officially crowned. As for the former Clinton supporters who are now backing Obama, Lieberman said "people are making different decisions, and I honor all of them."

But she certainly doesn't seem to honor Obama in her emails. Asked how she can justify being so dismissive of a fellow Democrat, she explained that her rhetorical fire stems from her certainty that Clinton would be 20 points ahead of McCain right now if she were the presumptive nominee, saying: "He's just not sealing the deal with the voters."

Some former top Hillary Clinton fundraisers have received attention in recent days for thus far declining to help bundle donations for Barack Obama. But none of those figures was actively working agai...
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- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

From Rasmussen Reports daily presidential tracking poll TODAY: The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Barack Obama attracting 44% of the vote while John McCain earns 42%. When "leaners" are included, it’s Obama 46% and McCain 46%. McCain is viewed favorably by 56% of voters, Obama by 54%.

From July 15th Rasmussen Reports: McCain fares better against Obama than he does against two other prominent Democrats. New York Senator Hillary Clinton leads McCain by eight points, 50% to 42%. Former Vice President Al Gore, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2000, leads McCain 50% to 43%.

I think Ricki may be on to something!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 07/17/2008

Yes, Clinton is the stronger candidate. Also, Obama right now has only 76% of the Democratic voters. That's one in four. That's a lot of disgruntled Democrats. Like me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 07/17/2008
- Triciann I'm a Fan of Triciann 3 fans permalink

From a math teacher, go back to school, your math is awful! It's 3 in 4. Hopefully with Obama as president more money will go to education!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 121 fans permalink

Yep, that same poll as you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 07/17/2008

Obama raises $52 million in June. By Ricki's boneheaded logic, those McCain backers are still pumping money into Obama's campaign. Apparently, they fear that Hillary is going to make a comeback at the convention and make all those superdelegates switch to her. Gotta give lots of money to Obama to keep that from happening...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 07/17/2008

Right now there is no nominee. The start of the Democratic convention in Denver is 39 days away. Neither candidate has the 2117.5 delegate votes needed to win the nomination on the first ballot. Therefore it will go to a second ballot where the superdelegates will finally have a chance to vote. Until then they can declare, undeclare, remain uncommitted- it doesn't much matter. A convention vote should not need to be negotiated under a democratic system. If you have a plutocracy like we are seeing under the cowardly stewardship of Howard Dean, proper procedure, rules and precedent don't apply. There will be a large price to pay if proper procedures are not followed and superdelegates are not allowed to vote for the person most likely to garner the 270 Electoral College votes to win in November. We know along with Ricki and millions of others that Hillary Rodham Clinton is the only Democrat that can win against John McCain in November. Our job at Electability Watch is to remind the delegates that Hillary is the one who can win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 121 fans permalink

The super delegates will do exactly what they said they would do and there's nothing you can say to change their minds. All those who are Hillary supporters will remain that way. All those who are Obama supporters will remain that way also. You people are sorry losers because you're not in Obama's planned takeover of the DNC. All of you who thought you had jobs are now out on your butts and don't like it. And all the crap you do to muster up more support for Hillary will not work here or anywhere. We believe in Obama and you cannot take away a person's beliefs. You people believe in causing havoc and chaos only. Keep it up if you want to destroy Hillary even more than she is already. You are NOT doing her any favors and I'm sure she realizes that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 07/17/2008
- CtJean I'm a Fan of CtJean 9 fans permalink

EXCELLENT! EXCELLENT! POST - THANK YOU

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 07/17/2008

I can not believe that still you are blaming Hillary for all the misrable problems Obama is facing in his illigitimate nomination. The fact is that no matter how you Obamameniacs and Obamamedia trying to sell this loser to us, is not going to work unless he shows some substance. Don't blame Ricki for what DNC and Co. have done to our party. This is a free country and we will voice our objection to this nomination.
NO DEAL

GO PUMA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 07/17/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

All Rikki wants is a Democrat in the White House. She backs the one Democrat who can win this election. And she doesn't give up! That makes her a strong woman, Democrat, AND American!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 121 fans permalink

That makes her an annoyance that's all. So you think strong women are those who never stops striking at a dead horse; those who filibuster forever on dead issues; those who play rough down dirty hard in the mud are "strong" women. Do me a favor and ask your mother or teacher about REAL strong women ok?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 07/17/2008

For some reason you think this is the only group. There are over 250 groups of us. Many are Obamas Exsupporters. We are in the Multi-Millions and growing by the hour. We are Men and Women. Whats your problem are you sexist??I suppose you feel women shouldn't even work.We will not give in and we will never stop untill this biassness and sexism stops. Untill the DNC gets rid of the ones who keeps changing their rules.NEVER USE THE RACE CARD WITH US.We are made up of every color and every race.We are Proud Americans and we want our Country back and we want the real Democracy back the way it belongs.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 121 fans permalink

All Lieberman needs is a cold shower and a chill pill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 07/17/2008
- clsez I'm a Fan of clsez 19 fans permalink
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Ah, I am glad I did not have to go through you and Rikki to become a democrat. My thoughts made me one not your dogmatic holier than thou attitide. The one Democrat huh? chosen by the Rikkipup council and NOT the majority of VOTING Democrats. I suppose we ought to add the entire Isreali population to the democratic voting block to make Rikki happy. Sadly, even then there would be vigorous dissent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 07/17/2008
- gabbyone I'm a Fan of gabbyone 4 fans permalink

Hang in their Ricki, if they thought their guy had it won they wouldn't be so worried about you.
They are attacking you because they are worried he will lose or else they would be
spending their time working for him instead of sending demented and immature emails to you.
Last time I checked this is a free country and you can say and do what you want. They should Google all the groups that were previously for Obama who have changed their minds and are setting up their own websites. Some of his supporters are waking up and seeing him for who he really is....a man with no center and a politician who will sacrifice anything to win, FISA, Iraq, women, public financing and any friend who brings him trouble or criticizes him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 121 fans permalink

See, you people think you are actually scoring points. ROTFLMAO....hehehehehehehehe. This is too funny for words, excuse me while I laugh some more..............hehehehehhehehhe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 07/17/2008
- jkminwa I'm a Fan of jkminwa 5 fans permalink

I speak only for myself, but I'm not worried about Obama losing to Clinton at the Convention, I'm worried about party infighting that weakens Obama in November. Because, while he's fighting Clinton, he's not fighting McCain. And, seriously, you need to reflect on the basis of your animosity to Obama...I'm unhappy with his FISA vote, but this change is nothing compared to McCain. Your protestations seem excessive, and more visceral than cerebral.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 121 fans permalink

Their discontent with Obama has NOTHING TO DO WITH FISA and EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RACE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 07/17/2008
- splashy I'm a Fan of splashy 6 fans permalink

If you are not worried about Obama losing, then you should be fine with her being included on the nomination ballot. If nothing else, it would help push the platform toward the left, which we sorely need considering the policies Obama is pushing, like NOT having universal health care and signing the FISA bill letting the people spying illegally on the US citizens off the hook..

It's very simple: let Clinton, who got so many popular votes and won the swing states, be on the ballot. She has earned at least that much and many men have been on the ballot with far less support.

If nothing else, Obama winning in that situation would cement his nomination. If he doesn't win, then she can step in and WILL win the presidency against McCain by having all those massive numbers of blue collar workers voting for her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 07/17/2008
- mjc I'm a Fan of mjc 13 fans permalink

Think that is somewhat bogus. He is not now fighting Clinton and in reality he could have concentrated on McCain long ago but he does like to pretend he is the victim. Having different branches of the Democratic Party never in the past was considered such a dire condition but perhaps the racial aspect of this campaign season has made that seem unholy and not unifying and therefore destructive. The Democrats have always been able to deal with each other and the Repugs are the ones who really believe you should never say anything critical of a fellow Repug; now that doesn't seem to be the case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 07/17/2008

it seems ironic to attack Rikki, she is urging the Hillraisers to get behind the ultimate nominee, she simply wants a place for Hilary in the convention, on the platform and for a roll cal. In fact Rikki was attacked by the most vociferous anti Obama folks last night for her piece. You are only helping further divide to attack the few who are trying to slowly bring us together IMHO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 07/17/2008
- NABNYC I'm a Fan of NABNYC 99 fans permalink

Lieberman claims that "she is urging the Hillraisers to get behind the ultimate nominee," and just wants Hillary to be respected. But her actions suggest she is trying to get McCain elected.

For example: I sent Ricki Lieberman an e-mail (no ccs) on this subject.

I got a response on behalf of Ricki Lieberman from a woman named Cristi, with an e-mail address of Clintons4Mccain.

How did Cristi get my e-mail to Ricki unless Ricki sent it to her? Why would Ricki have Cristi respond on her behalf? Unless Ricki is also working with the group called Clintons4McCain.

That's the problem. They're trying to get McCain in the white house. And some of the people (probably most of them) running these groups are Republicans or independents. This Cristi person, for one, is a frequent guest on Fox News talking about why people should not vote for Obama, and how much a patriot McCain is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 07/17/2008

The Democrats really need to do something about the fact that they have a presumptive candidate who is so unqualified that the GOP won't attack until after the convention. They are afraid the Democrats might save themselves with Senator Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 121 fans permalink

Oh boy, how gullible do you really think democrats are? We have seen enough of you and your kind to know your attacks. Give it up. You won't win. You can't win. You are losers and will continue to be losers. And you will lose BIG TIME AT THE CONVENTION because you can't see the forest for all the Obama trees.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 07/17/2008
- ATL78 I'm a Fan of ATL78 5 fans permalink

You're right, the Republicans aren't attacking Obama and the media isn't either. And I'm sure they have NOTHING that could be used against the Clintons.

This is the FUNNIEST post I've read in a long time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 07/17/2008

You are sooo right. I mean, the Repubs are not attacking Obama at all. I just heard on Cspan they invited him over for milk and cookies. And that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity lined up to give him a fist jab. I even heard that Laura Bush is talking with Michelle Obama right now and working with her on how to redecorate the White House.

All to prevent the Dems from saving themselves with Clinton. Right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/17/2008
- splashy I'm a Fan of splashy 6 fans permalink

You haven't seen anything yet. Have you been paying attention to what has happened in the past?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 121 fans permalink

You're just a bunch of jealous whiners. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, they didn't invite me, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa:(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 121 fans permalink

Another talking clintonhead, just abobbing and atalking. So cute!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/17/2008

Our country first. And always. As a lifelong Democrat, now a PUMA, sure, I'd love to see a Democrat in the White House. But not one who is unfit to lead the nation. After all, isn't that what George Bush was all about on his own bottom line -- a "leader" unfit to lead the nation? Obama is unfit to lead. His "collaboration" with Tony Rezko to channel Illinois money into "housing projects" that are not habitable to this day is reason alone to disqualify Obama. And Obama's long time "collaboration" with the Ayers family to channel grant monies into pay to play efforts is another. Those are just two of his major flaws. With Obama, it's all about payola. Always had been. It's the Chicago Way. To repeat: Our country first. And always. And if that means a Republican in the White House until the Democrats can come up with a "presumptive nominee" who is fit for the job, then so be it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 07/17/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 75 fans permalink

Now tell me one other politicians who has not done same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 07/17/2008

Obama is a "post turtle." Don't know what that is? When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a "post turtle". You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb ass put him up there.

Seriously, I'm a 59 year old Democrat and I am appalled at the lack of depth in Obama. And his advisers, too. Did you read what his foreign policy expert Susan Rice said, trying to explain why Obama issued a policy speech BEFORE he had gone to Iraq?

Read it at this link -- it's pure gobbledygook, worthy of that other Rice foreign policy disaster:

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/07/obama_delivers_iraq_war_speech.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 07/17/2008
- splashy I'm a Fan of splashy 6 fans permalink

Like that post turtle bit. Country wisdom at it's finest!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 07/17/2008
- seanosul I'm a Fan of seanosul 3 fans permalink

The "Post Turtle" joke was originally used by KKK types against affirmative action. How fitting that almost every PUMA blog has used it since.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 121 fans permalink

Even with your candidate, you'll still be putting a republican in the white house and you know it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 07/17/2008
- Aleka4 I'm a Fan of Aleka4 47 fans permalink

Wow. I just feel sorry for you, and all the others posting like you here. Your bitterness and probable racism has totally blinded you to reality. Unfit for office? That is probably the most stupid and baseless thing I have read.

It was Clinton who was unfit for office of the two. McCain is unfit for office. But you are SO blind and Angry and in such a bitter and vindictive snit that you totally have no clue about what is real and what is not. How very pathetic that sick and deluded people like you can work so hard to doom and undermine your own best interests, as well as those of the country, go into total denial and finger pointing blame shifting about it, and still look in a mirror. Very Sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 07/17/2008

I am sick and tired of people accusing me and others like me of being "racist".
Do I call you a misogynist because you don't want Senator Clinton? No.
Do I call you racist because you want BO who is a person of color? No.

So why am I considered a "racist" because I don't support Obama?
I voted for him when he ran for the US Senate. i won't vote for him again. Why?
Because he uses his position to get to another position higher up in government (now - who knows where after he is through in politics)He is not in this for others. He is in this for himself.

It's a shame that you can't accept the facts. Obama is not qualified to be president of my country. He has minimal expertise in most everything international as well as limited experience in national legislation and no governing experience. If this were any other candidate, I believe most of the Obama supporters would have supported Hillary in a heart beat.

bless your hearts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 07/17/2008
- jkminwa I'm a Fan of jkminwa 5 fans permalink

Dear PUMA, are you at all familiar with John McCain? If you think our country will be in better hands with him, go for it. But make sure you are fully informed. In your anger, you have sought out the worst on Obama, accepted what you read at face value, and drawn the most negative conclusions on what you have read. It isn't all about payola for Obama, but he, like McCain and Clinton and Edwards have had dealings with selfish, greedy people. (I must say, a PUMA criticizing Obama for payola is pretty funny, given the Clinton's disclosure of $110 million in earnings over the course of the last 7 years, but no matter...)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 07/17/2008

Keep it up Ricki !!!!! good work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 07/17/2008
- Seankelly I'm a Fan of Seankelly 2 fans permalink

You have to laugh at the crap posted by some people on this page - the Obama paid bloggers are the vile characters on the net at the moment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 121 fans permalink

Oh no, you tell an untruth. The Obama supporters are not paid and are very central in keeping you Hillarynuts in order. The whole mailing list must be posting right now because you are all saying the same old silly junk. You are showing just how desperate YOU are in wanting to sway some of the Obama supporters to your side. Good luck with that because we KNOW what we want, what we have, and what YOU DON'T HAVE, which is why we will NEVER switch!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 07/17/2008
- jkminwa I'm a Fan of jkminwa 5 fans permalink

Yes, you have to laugh at the crap people post - the wild, completely unsubstantiated claims are incredible. But, maybe there are some people who have both god-like omniscience and time to waste posting to blogs? Are one of them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 07/17/2008

Go Ricki - the nominee is not picked until the convention - until then, it is our responsibility to ensure the most electable democrat is the nominee

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 07/17/2008
- clsez I'm a Fan of clsez 19 fans permalink
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And in 39 days when Obama is picked?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 07/17/2008

Of course the clintons are behind all of this. If not, why can't any of the clintons come out publicly and and speak to the American People distances themselves in closed door is plainly unacceptable.. The fact of the matter is that the clintons behaviour during the Primaries are shameful and unbelievable, the drinking of alchool and even mixing beer and brandy in one occassion, mimiking the hope message, publicly calling a fellow dem names, and shouting "shame on you Obama" e.t.c. Hillary said she will not apologised for voting on the War in Iraq. She denied Nafta but the truth eventually came out, She lied publicly to Us all about her trip to Bosnia. I mean i can go on and believe me if she had won , she would not be respected in Europe and the rest of the World. Their behaviour are no ones fault but their own. And you have to ask your self if she is fit to be a leader. The American People and from here in England and the rest of the World followed the Primaries religiously and believe me we did not miss a thing. The American People will make the right choice come Nov and we prayed that the clintons will not be a VP because Obama's Presidency will serve the world more good if their is no divisiveness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 07/17/2008

Isn't your business "across the pond"? Then please, mind it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 07/17/2008
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Wow! I can’t believe everyone is still blaming Hillary for every bad thing that happens to Obama. If we paid as much attention to the fact that Obama voted yes to immunity for telecommunications destroying the 4th amendment of our constitution, agreeing with Bush on faith based government programs, and telling mothers with mental illness that they can no longer get late term abortions maybe we could see why Obama has people that don’t support him, and that these people just don’t like his change from being a liberal democrat into being a neo- conservative republican. We can remember the Horrendous facts about Bill Clintons blow jobs but we can’t remember the help Obama gave in dismantling of the 4th amendment!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 121 fans permalink

Hillary's campaign was nasty, mean, and unforgettable. Do you expect people to forget all that overnight? I don't think so. Obama campaigned like the gentleman he is. You can speak on issues all you want. So they differed on the FISA bill, so what? They also differed on the WAR, remember. There will always be differences. But most democrats chose the best candidate and will stick with him. And the meanness you hear about Hillary is being rehashed and restirred by her supporters who are trying to cause more chaos and divisiveness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 07/17/2008
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ebanks are you saying that Hillary said some hurtful words that shouldn't be forgiven, and yet Obama voting to destroy the 4th amendment should be? I also wonder if Obama's home state had been attacked on 9-11 how would have Obama reacted then? Besides that we are voting for the future not on some lame campaign slogan that Obama made about the war. Hillary didn't bomb Iraq Bush did.. Obama didn't even have a vote on it but he did on FISA and he had promised that he would not vote for immunity so who knows he may say he wouldn't have voted for the war but his record speaks volumns!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 07/17/2008
- StatBabe I'm a Fan of StatBabe 6 fans permalink
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You actually believe that Obama campaigned like a gentleman? Exactly WHO started bashing Hillary Clinton for acknowledging LBJ's role in civil rights and accusing the poor woman of being a racist? Oh, I guess that someone ELSE must have been sending out those dreadful e-mails from the Obama campaign that accused BOTH Clintons of being racists for EVERY SINGLE REMARK that Bill or Hillary made! Initially, I actually PREFERRED Obama over Hillary Clinton, but when I started getting those vicious e-mails from his campaign that accused the Clintons of being racists, I switched sides! As a Democrat, I will vote for the Democratic nominee for president in November, but I must tell you that it is BARACK OBAMA that has left a VERY BAD TASTE in MY mouth! I may vote for Obama in November, but I will certainly be holding my nose while I do it. He's NOT qualified, he's a serial liar, he has done more flip-flops than a fish out of water, AND he ran a truly vicious campaign! I must admit that I did not care for some of Hillary's tactics either, but there is NOTHING that comes close to the way that the Obama campaign painted the Clintons as racists! THAT is unforgiveable!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 07/17/2008

What Obama did to Alice Palmer was nasty, mean and unforgettable. The hoax he and the DNC are trying to perpetrate on the American people is unforgivable. You say, "FISA [our rights] so what?" Our rights meant something to our forefathers and they mean something to me. So does this country. It's not that people can't stop rehashing it all, it's that what happened wasn't right. Laws were broken. Votes that were cast weren't counted. The democracy that we hold so dear was undermined. Those who recognize this are fighting for what is right and must or democracy is lost. That is unacceptable. Oh, and fyi, Obama was against the war, then he was for it. And then there is the Bush/Cheney Energy bill of 2005. A real piece of crap legislation that has helped put us in the bind we are in now. It threw billions at big oil and energy and is horrible for the environment... and he for it and for FISA... looks like this Obama so many are so fond of is just a 3rd term for Bush. He uses a lot of pretty words, but they are just words. Look beyond the words and the picture painted by truth is grim... understand? Probably not. It takes deep thought, open eyes, and an understanding of democracy to get a grasp of what is happening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 07/17/2008
- splashy I'm a Fan of splashy 6 fans permalink

It's not meanness, it's wanting things like universal health care, which Obama will not bring about, or not wanting to be spied on for no good reason without oversight, or not wanting NASA funding to be cut, or not wanting a candidate that supports nuclear power...

Well, you see it's' ISSUES that are the problem, not meanness. Clinton is much better on the issues. I felt she was more truthful about being a centrist, unlike Obama who paid lip service to liberal causes, then as soon as he got the presumptive nomination went straight to the center, and in some ways to the right of Clinton.

If Obama actually wins the nomination, I'm thinking hard about McKinney, who addresses my issues much better. No McCain for me, but Obama will not get my vote...well, unless Clinton is on the ticket. Maybe she can talk some sense into him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 07/17/2008
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So tired of Hillary, lets NOT help her pay off her debt, we all know she will try to steal the nomination or at the least the glory at the convention! Say Bye bye Hill !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 07/17/2008
- gabbyone I'm a Fan of gabbyone 4 fans permalink

Don't worry your little heads, we will pay off her debt and Obama will get not a penny. Seems fair to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 121 fans permalink

She won't get a plugged nickel out of me. She better ask those 18 million supporters to send her some money!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 07/17/2008

Obama supporters arent being very helpful in paying down her debt (I think $500,000 is all) - I think at this moment she has raised significantly more for him than he has raised for her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 07/17/2008

You are being too generous to Obama supporters... last I heard it was only $100,000 for them $10 million for Hillary supporters. Obama supporters expect unity from everyone but themselves. Fact of the matter is, Obama can't win without Hillary supporters, and Obama's supporters don't give a rats ass about Hillary supporters. Looks like the "great uniter obama" has created quite a division, and probably a win for McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 07/17/2008
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