Clinton Distances Herself From Anti-Obama Hillraiser

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Some former top Hillary Clinton fundraisers have received attention in recent days for thus far declining to help bundle donations for Barack Obama. But none of those figures was actively working against Obama's candidacy. Ricki Lieberman is another matter.

Also a former Clinton "Hillraiser" (meaning she raised more than $100,000 for the campaign), Lieberman is keeping her own private hope alive with a daily email blast to supporters, entitled "Electability Watch," which features a cascade of negative articles and other items about Obama as a means to argue that superdelegates should change their minds in Denver and crown Clinton the nominee instead. A tipster who described them as "disgusting" sent a batch of recent "Electability Watch" emails to the Huffington Post. Their authenticity was confirmed in a phone conversation with Ms. Lieberman, who said her only desire is to "see a Democratic president in the White House" next year.

Any Democrat, perhaps, except Barack Obama -- or "BO aka Bush 3," as Lieberman repeatedly refers to him. The emails sometimes go out of their way to parrot some of the most hardcore attacks on Obama, including comments comparing Obama's planned nomination speech to Nazi-era rallies in Germany. In one email, she quotes messages from apparent Holocaust survivors:

I have heard from many Survivors and their children about the symbolism and implications of use of rules to undermine our core democratic values. Ellen Mendel wrote that "I was born under Hitler in Germany, and reading about the plans for the Obama throng in the stadium in Denver and the implications which have been spelled out, gives me the chills...the DNC will deliver the country to Obama on a platter. I wonder when it will hit them what pawns they have been in this Faustian tragedy.


Another, "As someone who escaped from France during WW ll, I hope that I'm not being over dramatic when I'm more than uneasy with stuff like Obama's possible Denver stadium theatrics and the calibrated negotiations going on about the convention."

Other emails from Lieberman cite Obama's "alliances with a cast of characters include Louis Farrahkan," and urge people to contact the German embassy to protest "Obama's grandiose, inappropriate hope" to speak at the Brandenburg Gate.

In an interview, Lieberman said it is incumbent upon the party's superdelegates to take another cold, hard look at which candidate will be more electable in the fall. Given that neither Obama nor Clinton managed to win enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination, a switch from Obama to Clinton is a technical possibility that nevertheless seems highly improbable.

A spokesperson for Sen. Clinton implicitly distanced the candidate from Lieberman's effort, telling the Huffington Post: "Senator Clinton fully supports Senator Obama. She continues to urge all of her supporters to get behind him. ... She continues to do everything she can to rally folks behind him. We don't support any effort that doesn't."

Still, Lieberman presses on each and every day with her emails, signing off each one with an exhortation for her audience to "GO GO GO!!!" in their efforts to contact and persuade superdelegates. While Lieberman would not reveal the number of people on her list, she bragged in one email that her organization is "beginning to reach SDs [superdelegates] thousands of times a week."

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Lieberman's emails can also be unintentionally funny. In a recent edition, she advanced a theory that the reason Obama's fundraising operation has started to show some signs of wear is because all those small donors during the primary were, in truth, closet McCain supporters who, instead of donating to his foundering campaign, were trying to destroy the most formidable Democratic candidate (that being Clinton). "And now they do not have to contribute anymore," Lieberman wrote. "Some may have even gone back to funding McCain whose fundraising has gotten better and better. SIGH... Any takers for this theory???"

In her effort to be comprehensive, Lieberman once included two mutually exclusive views on one hot story, apparently because both positions reflected poorly on Obama. During the recent Jesse Jackson controversy -- in which the civil rights leader was caught expressing his desire to "cut [Obama's] nuts off" in a hot-mic moment before a television appearance -- Lieberman's email suggested in back to back items that the entire incident was engineered by Jackson and Obama as a cynical bit of propaganda and that the incident was a true reflection of a growing displeasure among key black leaders with his candidacy.

Asked whether her relentless tearing down of Obama could potentially damage her oft-stated goal of seeing a Democratic president, Lieberman refused to concede the point. Ultimately, she described Obama as "unfit to be president."

So which is it? Does Lieberman want to see a Democratic president no matter what, or does she think it's important to advance the idea of Obama as unfit to lead?

"Well, it's both," she said. "Basically, my focus is on having her become the nominee."

What does Lieberman make of Clinton's campaigning on behalf of Obama?

"Well, look. A lot of people can say a lot of things and they do."

Does she share with some other Hillraisers a desire to see Clinton become Obama's running mate?

"I don't even think about it," adding that it's unseemly to speculate on such things before a nominee is officially crowned. As for the former Clinton supporters who are now backing Obama, Lieberman said "people are making different decisions, and I honor all of them."

But she certainly doesn't seem to honor Obama in her emails. Asked how she can justify being so dismissive of a fellow Democrat, she explained that her rhetorical fire stems from her certainty that Clinton would be 20 points ahead of McCain right now if she were the presumptive nominee, saying: "He's just not sealing the deal with the voters."

Some former top Hillary Clinton fundraisers have received attention in recent days for thus far declining to help bundle donations for Barack Obama. But none of those figures was actively working agai...
Some former top Hillary Clinton fundraisers have received attention in recent days for thus far declining to help bundle donations for Barack Obama. But none of those figures was actively working agai...
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I am on Ricki's email list - but I'm doing what Senator Clinton asked us to do and supporting Senator Obama. I think the focus on the emails Ricki sends out is silly, her email list is most likely made up of Manhattan residents (and nobody reads them anymore).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 126 fans permalink

Thank you for being honest with that information. Somehow Ricki has her own agenda and trying to spread it here. She doesn't realize how much disdain she is facing with the Obama supporters but she will find out soon enough. We are NOT looking to go backwards and she is a nasty reminder of the past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 07/17/2008
- CtJean I'm a Fan of CtJean 9 fans permalink

Thank you for being forthright. Together dems will beat repugs in November.

Welcome!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 07/17/2008

I just don't want people to think this is what all of Clinton's supporters sound like. Ricki is very passionate --- she traveled to PA, OH, and several other places to volunteer for Clinton -- she opened up her home to us volunteers frequently -- BUT I think the most help thing to do for the party, the cause, and Senator Clinton is to support Barack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 07/17/2008

Look, you have to drop the patriarchal smarm. You speak for yourself only. I hate to disillusion you, but you're not everyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 07/17/2008

Its actually matriarchal smarm thank you very much, because I am doing what a WOMAN, Senator Clinton, asked me too. I'm not speaking for myself, Hillary Clinton speaks for me, why can't you board it?

Hillary wants us to support Obama, I'm down with that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 07/17/2008
- splashy I'm a Fan of splashy 6 fans permalink

He hasn't actually gotten the nomination yet. As close as the votes by the delegates are, she SHOULD be on the ballot at the convention. That is the reason people are still talking about this. There have been many other candidates with fewer delegates that were on the ballot, why not Clinton? If he still wins, then it cements his nomination in the minds of the electorate. There would not be so many lingering doubts.

Unless they are worried she might win the nomination...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 07/17/2008

I'm about to believe what I hear about Democrats. these last 7 years have been terrible and America has been shamed. This should be the year that Democrats just walk into office but with all this at play there is always a way for Dems. to screw up even this. Why don't you just accept the candidate that is offered and move about the business of winning this election. I am so sick of all these idiots who just want somebody , anybody "white" to be their president. You sound like that stupid Harriet Christenson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 07/17/2008

The point is, we don't want the candidate that is "offered." We want the candidate that was "elected" and that was Hillary. If Hillary was black, she would still be the one we want. Obama being half Kenyan and half white has nothing to do with it... or does it? He hasn't come up with a legal birth certificate yet, just the fake one without proper legal markings that is on his website. The hospital has no record of his birth... Golly. Hope he wasn't born in Kenya. I mean, it might be that the mother was old enough to transfer her citizenship to him, or there could be a problem and question of citizenship... gee, why won't he show the birth certificate? Back to the subject. We want a qualified candidate for president and that is not Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 07/17/2008

Fair is fair.

She is saying "not nice" things in emails about Obama? boo hoo. I point to Huffpo and other probama blogs that were FULL of vitriolic HATE for Hillary Clinton for months as a counter.

Obots started the hatefest, now they have to live with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 126 fans permalink

You jest. It seems more like the Hillary-ites are full of hate according to what's spewing out here. Obama supporters are happy because we know we have a WINNER!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 07/17/2008
- CtJean I'm a Fan of CtJean 9 fans permalink

You are incorrect. Think about it logically.

Our candidate won the primary, we are happy.

The losing candidate's surrogates started the whining and protesting.

You say we have to live with the hatefest, uh, no, we are going onto win the general election.

Your candidate's political career is over.

That is what you have to live with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 07/17/2008
- mjc I'm a Fan of mjc 13 fans permalink

First of all, your "nominee".....whoever that may be since there is no nominee yet...., has won only the title of flip-flopper of month award, or, what are the odds of that position on Iraq, abortion, FISA, campaign financing, etcetera, changing? Hillary Clinton's political career is quite save, thriving actually. She has her Senate seat for 4 more years and the respect of a great many legislators.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 07/17/2008
- splashy I'm a Fan of splashy 6 fans permalink

Your candidate has NOT won the primary YET. Don't you folks pay attention to how things actually work?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 07/17/2008

"Your candidate's political career is over."

Don't be ridiculous. Her position as a senator from New York State has been enhanced, if anything. And she can keep that job for as long as she wants it.

Don't tell me that there are Democrats who are stupid enough to risk losing that vital seat by opposing her in a primary.

Remember, New York is a Republican state, and horrible Rudy Giuliani is positively salivating, as he waits in the wings, hoping to unseat one of the incumbents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 07/17/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

WERE full of vitriolic hate for Clinton? They still are. They tell us to "get over her" but they are absolutely obsessed with her. Of course, they always need a scapegoat for their candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 07/17/2008
- jkminwa I'm a Fan of jkminwa 5 fans permalink

I think the problem is that criticism of Hillary is viewed as "hate." If you challenge her honesty based on the discrepancies between what she says and what is on tape, you are full of "hate." If you question the depth of her experience, based on the testimony of those central to the events she cites, again, you are full of "hate." However, since it is a "fact" that Obama is an "empty suit" and a "charlatan," that does not constitute "hate."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 07/17/2008

I stopped reading at "Nazi".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 07/17/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

And therein lies the problem. You can't learn if you won't read past a word you don't like or agree with. That is the sure sign of a closed minded person who will never be anything but.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 07/17/2008
- ebbasta I'm a Fan of ebbasta 5 fans permalink
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Why are we dedicating time to this? I know why: This woman Lieberman proves the point that HRC supporters are not only dumb, but their stupid. Their schizo too, as this piece reveals:

...its both? You have to be a complete lunatic to say that with a straight face. There is a God and he made sure that none of these nutjobs end up ambassadors to any country.....which is why this bith is so mad. Doesnt get a cushy job as pay back.

I wonder if she'll stop spewing this nonsensical story now that Obama racked up 52M in June:

she advanced a theory that the reason Obama's fundraising operation has started to show some signs of wear is because all those small donors during the primary were, in truth, closet McCain supporters who, instead of donating to his foundering campaign, were trying to destroy the most formidable Democratic candidate (that being Clinton). "And now they do not have to contribute anymore," Lieberman wrote. "Some may have even gone back to funding McCain whose fundraising has gotten better and better. SIGH... Any takers for this theory???"

By way of review, WHAT DOES THIS SHOW US?

Hillary supporters care nothing about Democrats and only about getting this particular woman elected prez.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 07/17/2008

You made a couple of grammar mistakes in your post. You should have written "they're stupid", not "their stupid."
Who's stupid?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 07/17/2008
- mjc I'm a Fan of mjc 13 fans permalink

Obama outspent Hillary 4 to 1 in Indiana and while he cut her margin of winning she did indeed take the seat. Money isn't everything but Obama and his supporters don't seem to appreciate that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 07/17/2008

Money can't buy you love, but it can you you superdelegates. And some it bought were in Indiana. Very unfortunate but true. The man can't win on his own merits. He has to keep asking his supporters for money so he can buy votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 07/17/2008
- Kane I'm a Fan of Kane 13 fans permalink

Her last "Electability Watch" post on Jun 27, has a grand total of two comments. Not exactly grand numbers of a growing movement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 126 fans permalink

That's why they came to HuffPo because they needed a few crumbs to add to their 3 crumbs they have at present.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 07/17/2008

Ricki Lieberman is a true patriot. She loves her country more than her party. Isn't that what the election process is about, getting the best candidate for the job of president? Senator Clinton is the best, and Barack Obama shouldn't even be in the running. He stayed in an anti-American church for 20 years, and had to be forced to quit just this year. Barack took "God damn America" Wright as his "moral compass" - what kind of judgment does that show? About as good as launching his state senate campaign from the house of someone (Bill Ayers) who thought bombing the Pentagon was a good idea, and participated in it, and wanted to bomb more. Do you think these issues are going to disappear? They are not, and more negative issues come out about Obama every day.

What part of "patriotic" do you people not understand? It's not about Barack - it's about America. Senator Clinton loves this country and its people with all her heart, and has a track record of working for the poor, the downtrodden, our soldiers, the environment, children's issues, women's issues, and many others. What does Obama have except for a bunch (130) of "present" votes and some major flipflopping?

Please do what is best for our country, and support Hillary Clinton as our presidential nominee. She is actually qualified and eminently electable. Barack is neither.

GO! GO! GO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 07/17/2008

Amazing that they give you enough time off from your buggy-whip factory job to post these delusions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 07/17/2008

Listen closely - if Hilary takes the nomination in Denver, she'll lose. Why? because if you think the party is split now, then baby, you ain't seen nothing yet. If the monied, connected people of the party overrule the majority of voters (and yeah, Obama GOT the majority ), then you think we'd lift a finger for her? No way.

She lost the primary. IF she had won, I'd have helped her out any way I can. But I am tired of Blue Dog Hilary Dems working to split the party, working to bring about a DEFEAT of the Democrats this year, yet say they support her ideals.

I call BS, and that you all actually want McCain and not Hilary OR Obama. Ya'll are worse than Naderites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 07/17/2008

"If the monied, connected people of the party overrule the majority of voters (and yeah, Obama GOT the majority ), then you think we'd lift a finger for her?"

Essentially -- mutatis mutandis -- you, an Obama supporter , are saying exactly what you take Clinton supporters to task for saying.

Face it, the party is divided and is not likely to come together -- especially when people think they can order us about to get us to change our votes.

Obama would do well to write off die-hard Clintonistas and proceed with the business at hand. It's childish for him -- and all of you -- to expend any further mental energy on trying to bring us into camp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 126 fans permalink

Boy, if you never want to sleep again, email Ricki Lieberman because you surely won't. A friend of mine emailed her yesterday and she's being swarmed with emails from every joan, jane, and judy of that Lieberman cartel! It's like they are vampires or something trying to drain your last bit of blood.

I posted part of an email my friend forwarded to me just so you can see who this Lieberman character really is. This email BUSTED her. They are a bunch of prejudiced white females who don't want to see a black man as president. That's all there is to it ladies and gents. They are truly horrific. I hope Huffpo lets my post come through so you can read it for yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 07/17/2008

Obama made me what I am today a PUMA. I will never donate any money to either Obama or anyone who supports Obama. I will work for, donate to, and will vote for HILLARY. If Hillary should be illegally kept from winning this nomination then I will absolutely support Mccain. I followed the Rezko trial information in the Chicago newspapers and I am convinced that Obama cannot have possibly been friends with this criminal who buys and sells political influence for seventeen years without having had a business relationship with him. Finally, Obama first lost me when he accused Bill and Hillary Clinton of being racists. The Clintons have been in the public spotlight for over twenty years and if they had hd one iota of racism, it would have been obvious to all of us who have supported them. Obama is the racist and I would never vote for a racist with a white skin and I will also not vote for a racist with a darker skin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 126 fans permalink

You must be one of those Lieberman hillraisers. Sounds just like them. Obama supporters don't care who you vote for. So stop whining and cast your vote for whoever you please. You will NOT be missed and do have a nice day :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 07/17/2008

I did phone banking at Ricki's house -- I was a super strong supporter of Hillary Clintons -- but she lost and has asked us to support Obama -- so I am. AS long as Obama doesn't pick Sam Nunn, I will vote for him in the fall.

Ricki and these others dont speak for the majority of Hillary Supporters who are heeding her call for Unity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 07/17/2008

As a former Clinton support, the rest of the people on Huffington Post today should know neither this person or Ricki speak for anyone but themselves. Clinton did get a raw deal, but from the talking heads on cable, not from Obama.

I donated more than I should have to Sen. Clinton, volunteered, and supported her all the way - but she has asked us to support Sen. Obama - and I am doing what she asked. Ricki and Macmcd should heed Hillary's request as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 07/17/2008

The last time I checked, we still live in a democracy notwithstanding the odious machinations of the MSM and BO's surrogates. We can support whomever we choose for president, and many of us still support HRC. After all, our party hasn't yet elected a nominee.
Oh, and please advise your posters to stop the anti-semitic comments about Ronnie's last name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 07/17/2008

Care to provide any evidence that Obama "accused Bill and Hillary of racism"? Didn't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 07/17/2008

Obama, to my knowledge, never accused anyone of racism. It was the New York Times editoral page that made the first accusation -- when they wrote Hillary Clinton was guilty of "the distasteful implication that a Black person needs a White person to affect change."

PBS slammed the NY Times for misquoting Clinton and irresponsibly using the charge of racism. Media to blame, Penn to blame, Hillary to blame...not Obama.

Sincerely,
A former Clinton Volunteer and one of the few people still contributing to pay off her campaign debt

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 07/17/2008

How one can characterize Ricki Lieberman's efforts as "her own private effort to keep hope alive for Hillary" [paraphrase] with regard to the Electability/JSND/PUMA organized resistence to the pending nomination of BHO is laughable!
Someone who raises over $100K for Hillary has political chops and I know she has a pretty cool database to boot.
You may dismiss Ricki and the efforts of the PUMA coalition (with some 240 organized groups behind it) as a private, singular, even - lonely bitter attempt to gain attention but you so at your own peril.
We woke up to the Iraq War propaganda. BHOs War on Clinton and anything democractic is now different. BHO is Bush III.
In the words of Lyndon Johnson, "No leader has the right to lead another man without his (or her) consent."
We have not consented to this nomination. We do not agree with the super delegates who endorsed him over the wishes of their constituencies. We do not agree with the DNCs ruling on May 31st that took 4 earned delegates away from HRC and gave them to Obama. We do not believe that wins in caucus states/red states should determine our nominee. We believe that the winner of the popular vote in a primary election counts towards choosing the most electable candidate for our party.
We will fight for Hillary, our party and our country as we see fit!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 07/17/2008
- Concerned1 I'm a Fan of Concerned1 2 fans permalink

If the Clinton Hillraisers does anything to sabotage the democratic vote this year, and she continues to do nothing, Hillary can be guaranteed to lose the votes in 2012 including mine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 07/17/2008
- hank48188 I'm a Fan of hank48188 8 fans permalink

I don't know how you feel about DEMOCRACY, I think it's a good thing, I guess you don't. I live in Michigan and we had a Primary here, a few people REMOVED their name from the ballot, Edwards and Obama being two of them, to gain favor with voters in Iowa and N.H.. Both had internal polling showing Hillary would win big here so removing their names would prevent a loss and look good in Iowa. Both urged supporters to vote "Not Committed" and about 40% of the votes cast were "Not Committed" and 55% voted for Hillary. In Michigan the 40% of the delegates representing the "Not Committed" voters are required to go to the Party Convention not bound to ANY CANDIDATE. The DNC had a choice of counting the votes as they were cast, or they could not count the votes at all. They never had the option of CHANGING THE VOTES, which is what they did. They gifted more than 45% of the Delegates to Obama. This is what happens in BANANA REPUBLICS or Gov'ts run by Dictators, I've never seen anything like this in happen in America. In the past I might have thought Republicans would do something like this, I always thought the DEMS were more DEMOCRATIC, boy was I wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 07/17/2008
- jkminwa I'm a Fan of jkminwa 5 fans permalink

All of them pledged not to participate in the MI primaries because MI broke the DNC's primary scheduling rules, but of the three of them, only HILLARY broke her pledge and left her name on the ballot. She claimed she didn't take her name off the MI ballot - that is, she broke her pledge - because "it didn't matter." And the DNC has to have rules, or states will continue to leapfrog each other for greater influence in the nominating process, until primaries begin more than year before the general. And when primaries start earlier, the party and candidates have to raise more money. Later, when she needed the votes, she took up the cause of democracy, but only then, and she then had the audacity to claim that only she ought to have delegates awarded, because only she received votes. Gosh, now you mattered. None of your votes should have counted - once your legislature rescheduled the primary knowing full well what the consequences would be, the dynamic changed completely. If you have a problem with being disenfranchised, talk to your state dems, who did it to you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 07/17/2008
- Triciann I'm a Fan of Triciann 3 fans permalink

What is it about that name "Lieberman"? Is there a connection with the Senator from CT?

As for the donations I am worried that the many donors who have given small amounts will be finding it hard to continue with the cost of living increasing so much. Hey, some may have lost jobs recently. One way to keep the masses in order, keep them struggling economically. History has shown it works. It's time for a change!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 07/17/2008
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With 18 million supporters, if each one gave her $1.00, she'd be pretty much out of trouble and then they'd have nothing to raise hell about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 126 fans permalink

And now you see how much they REALLY SUPPORT HER. They are a bunch of liars as all republican democrats are! I call them REPUGNOCRATICS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 07/17/2008

One has to wonder who is REALLY behind this bashing of Obama. It is so simple and easy to blog ones way into anyplace and pretend to be the person they say they are. I find it disturbing that anyone takes this crazy person seriously, but then we are a nation that allowed Bush to steal two elections. Go figure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 126 fans permalink

If you contact Lieberman by email, you end up with a response from her which is cordial but you also end up with an email from Karen Smith which is toxic to Obama. Here's an example of some of the things in the that email.

There's this UNBELIEVABLE story where Obama endorsed and APPEARED in ads for a pro-bush administration, anti gay candidate over a PROGRESSIVE BLACK FEMALE!!!!
http://savannahnow.com/node/519033

The Iraq one and the wiretapping are the most disturbing….its BUSH LIKE!
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-flip-flips-on-his-iraq-flip-flop
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07102008/news/nationalnews/bam_in_wiretap_flip_flop_119243.htm

Many of his firm supporters who have delusionally gotten him to where he is today, are beginning to FREAK OUT because he's not who they thought he was.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5885283.html

He's supported and backed by all the OLD WHITE MALE party elite, Kerry, Kennedy, Dodd, Axelrod, Byrd, Wexler, Mayor Daley (one of the shadiest Chicago politicians ever.) I could go on and on. He's a puppet……so a vote for Obama is a vote for THE SAME that we have had. They Selected him, not Elected him. He didn't win the popular vote, the party super delegates had to select him. (sounds like old party politics to me)

It goes on and on............... and ends with ......Until next time Former Obama Supporters!

Just thought I'd warn you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 126 fans permalink

I didn't realize the links were there or I would have taken them out. Just didn't notice them. Just wanted you to hear the crap they're saying about Obama, that's all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 07/17/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

It's not any worse than things said on here about both Clintons. You contacted her. I figure when I email someone, I can expect to receive messages back. It's not a one way street. It's just like this forum. When I post something I know people will disagree with, I expect to have negative responses.

Freedom of speech works like that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 07/17/2008
- Cardhu I'm a Fan of Cardhu 4 fans permalink
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There is another Lieberman from CT who is also delusional. Hmmmmmm . . . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 07/17/2008
- Bneo I'm a Fan of Bneo permalink

I wonder how many Americans are as blinded by hate as this Lieberman person. She is trying to cut off her nose to spite her face. It's hard to believe but Democrats won't unite behind Obama simply because he's Black. The ONLY thing the Liebermans and pumas have in common with McCain is race. "Lack of experience" is nonsense. Obama has more "experience" than George Bush and Bill Clinton. Besides, Hillary could never be president when 47% of the country says they would not vote for her under any circumstances. Republicans have been wishing and hoping for 7 years that she would be the nominee because they were ready for her. She would NOT be up 20 points on McCain. If Democrats can't come together and win this election, we'll get what we deserve. This election will say a lot about where we are with race relations in this country...for better or for worse. It's not looking real good at this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 07/17/2008
- hank48188 I'm a Fan of hank48188 8 fans permalink

I don't reject Obama because he's black, I reject Obama because of his lack of character. The two most important people in Obama's political life were Tony Rezko and William Ayers. Rezko raised over $250,000 for Obama, which is lots of money on a State level, it allowed Obama to win elections. William Ayers, the WEATHERMAN TERRORIST, had quite a bit of political power in Chicago through his father, Tom Ayers, CEO of Commenwealth Edison (Exelon). Obama launched his first run for State Senate in Ayers' living room. Bill Ayers also put Obama on the Board of the Woods Fund, a liberal charity and made Obama Chairman of the ANNENBERG CHALLANGE GRANT, a $110 million effort to improve education in Chicago. When asked about both men Obama gave a answer that made it sound like he hardly knew these men. Rezko was "some guy I did 5 hours of legal work for" and Ayers was "Just some guy from my neighborhood"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 07/17/2008
- Diplomacy I'm a Fan of Diplomacy 10 fans permalink

Hillary Rodham Clinton distancing herself?

NOT nearly enough! It's time for Hillary Rodham Clinton to come out with a strong statement about these various groups, including those pushing her name on the ticket.

These so-called 'Hillraisers' are simply 'Hellraisers'. These women NEVER were Democrats to begin with!

Hillary, it's time to speak loud & clear!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 126 fans permalink

You're right. And I bet she won't. There's another email from Karen Smith that is even MORE toxic and has all the talking points that Hillary had during her campaign. It sounds so much like Hillary that you can see it coming out of her mouth. This is bad and is a referendum to get supporters stirred up enough to break from Obama and support Hillary instead. It's just another way of her stealing this election. We have GOT to stay strong and united against this blatant back door sneak attack. And now that's it's gotten Huffington Post recognition and people are writing to these people, you are automatically put on their email list and sent MORE garbage. They are like a virus trying to spread to all Obama supporters. They are the worse type of SPAMMERS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 07/17/2008
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Wow! I can’t believe everyone is still blaming Hillary for every bad thing that happens to Obama. If we paid as much attention to the fact that Obama voted yes to immunity for telecommunications destroying the 4th amendment of our constitution, agreeing with Bush on faith based government programs, and telling mothers with mental illness that they can no longer get late term abortions maybe we could see why Obama has people that don’t support him, and that these people just don’t like his change from being a liberal democrat into being a neo- conservative republican. We can remember the Horrendous facts about Bill Clintons blow jobs but we can’t remember the help Obama gave in dismantling of the 4th amendment!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 07/17/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

We still have a democracy, and we are the ones who paid down her debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 07/17/2008
- ginamc I'm a Fan of ginamc 13 fans permalink

Yes, she should come up with that statement reminding them about BO's despicable antics during the Primary. BO is the one who needs to come with his statement about the sexist pig attacks that she and her surrogates received during the Primary. Funny, he never mentioned it, not even when it was brought to his attention at the first meeting with fundraisers Hillary had for him.

What about the death threat that Murphy from PUMA received from Obama surrogates? Not one peep out of BO on that one either.

I think that Lieberman and others are genuinely, rightfully upset that BO is the Democratic Party's SELECTEE -- not the Nominee. The nominee is voted in by delegates in August. Currently, Obama does not have those delegates. Hopefully, they will change their mind and ELECT Hillary -- not coronate her. Coronation is currently reserved for BO -- the Selectee who is also Mr. Unelectable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAFbMLZm4g

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 07/17/2008
- sherbug I'm a Fan of sherbug 61 fans permalink

How many sexist pig statements did Obama make about HRC himself. Never once did Obama made any sexist comment to or about HRC. He never pounced on her gaffes, but rather he was a perfect gentleman.

But the gospel according to the PUMAs, Obama should renounce and reject any sexist thing said about HRC no matter who said it. When did HRC ever come to Obama's defense. I'll tell you when, never. She was too busy fueling the fire of racism as the resident blue collar-ologist.

In any event, HRC did not run as a woman until it suited her. The first time she was a woman was in NH when we shed a tear and found her voice. Then towards the end she became Harriet Tubman and Susan B. Anthony all rolled into one. But, in between these two bouts with womanhood, she was 007 flying in and out of war zones; she was Rocky Balboa; then she was a whiskey drinking, gun toting son of a gun.

Your candidate made some mistakes in her campaign that cost her the nomination. She blew off too many states. She hired the wrong people and kept them around too long.and she repeatedly underestimated Obama's chances to win.

HRC did not lose because she was a woman, she lost because she made some wrong turns with little or no room to turn around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 07/17/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

She speaks only for herself. She can't speak for any other group or tell them what to do. Period.

These women were very active Democrats but the Party has let us down. So we moved on. How many times have I seen the old Republican phrase "love it or leave it" addressed to various posters on this site. So they left. What's the problem?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 07/17/2008
- wolfbato I'm a Fan of wolfbato 4 fans permalink

What's with people named Lieberman and their claims of being Democrats? What deal of "access" or promise of an "Ambassador-ship" is Lieberman NOT going to get that has her so [irrationally] upset? I saw this woman being interviewed and her statement about Obama ... "there is nothing I like about Obama .." was ridiculous ... even McCain sees the historic and good aspects [see NAACP-McCain yesterday] of Obama's candicacy. This woman reeks of money and privilege ... buying access and seeing her back-room deal go down the drain. Despicable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 07/17/2008
- hank48188 I'm a Fan of hank48188 8 fans permalink

I can't think of a thing I like Obama either, he is a liar and a crook, reminds me of Kwame Kilpatrick, Mayor of Detroit. Kwame is real good at BAMBOOZELING and HOODWINKING the black voters of Detroit, Obama is too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/17/2008
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I am sick of the notion espoused here in theses comments that somehow Clinton "made" people act in this manner. If such was the case, that would mean Clinton has some magical ability to control the critical thinking of a whole swath of people.

No one has that power. One can only influence people. Yes, Clinton campaigned hard and in this supporter's opinion too many times her campaigning was untoward. I do think Obama's team also had their moments to, just more subtly.

However, even with her campaigning, Clinton repeatedly said she'd fully support whomever won the primary. She's done this. Maybe not immediately, but she did it, and all the Dem powers-that-be acknowledge that Clinton has and is doing her part in galvanizing support for Obama. She can't control these loony "supporters" any more than you or I could. These defectors are not robots under Clinton's "programming". They have made their own decisions to be against Obama. If they were true supporters of Clinton, they would follow her lead and support him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 07/17/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 126 fans permalink

I believe Clinton when she said she supported Obama but remember she never took herself out of the race so what does that tell you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 07/17/2008

It tells me the same thing that when Obama and Hillary met the "Women for Obama" and he was suppoesed to request that they help Hillary pay down her debt - he failed to do so - until someone reminded him and he had to stop the music that signalled the end of the meeting/rally.

Obama is about Obama - no one and nothing else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 07/17/2008
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She suspended her campaign so that she could still get money to pay off her debt from contributions. It's common practice. It tells me that she's knowledgeable to know the system and that too many people aren't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 07/17/2008
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