McCain Aide: Obama Is Stubborn Like Bush

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First Posted: 07-16-08 01:36 PM   |   Updated: 07-24-08 05:12 AM

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Is Barack Obama an extension of George W. Bush's foreign policy? Aides to John McCain made the argument today in a conference call meant to tout the Senator's own record.

Describing Obama's plan as dangerously rigid and ideological, McCain national security adviser Randy Scheunemann compared the Illinois Democrat to the current Oval Office occupant.

"I think the American people have had enough of stubbornness and inflexibility in national security policy," he said.

If the analogy was too obscure, Scheunemann followed it up with something a bit more overt. "In July 2004, [Obama] said there is not too much a difference between my position and George W Bush's position on the war."

The charge, of course, is not related to policy (on which Obama and Bush drastically differ) but rather ideological rigidity. But the suggestion that Obama is too stubborn to change his position on Iraq is a bit ironic coming from a McCain campaign that, as recently as one week ago, jumped all over the Senator for saying he would "refine" his position. Aides to the Arizona Republican - who, it should be noted, has stuck rigidly to his policy on troop withdrawal - said that an op-ed published by Obama in the New York Times on Monday proved that (regardless of what he sees upon visiting Iraq) the presumptive Democratic nominee is wedded to specific war strategies. And it is in that regard, they argue, that he is Bush-like.

"We cannot afford to replace one administration that refused to acknowledge failure with candidate that refuses to acknowledge success in Iraq," said Scheunemann. "Sen. McCain made it clear from 2003 through 2007 that he thought we were following the wrong strategy in Iraq ... The administration finally changed course and followed Sen. McCain's plan and the entire world has seen the dramatic turnaround in Iraq, the dramatic decrease in violence on the ground there.

"Barack Obama developed an artificial timetable during the primaries," Scheunemann went on. "And he might actually listen to the commanders on the ground before he refines his policy ... Instead what he did was come out and adhere to his strict ideological timetable so that he could please the crowd at MoveOn.org ... So yes, he certainly is inflexible and stubborn."

Is Barack Obama an extension of George W. Bush's foreign policy? Aides to John McCain made the argument today in a conference call meant to tout the Senator's own record. Describing Obama's plan as ...
Is Barack Obama an extension of George W. Bush's foreign policy? Aides to John McCain made the argument today in a conference call meant to tout the Senator's own record. Describing Obama's plan as ...
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- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 641 fans permalink
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It scares me to think how many Americans have been brainwashed by the Propaganda Machine.
I know some of my own family members have succumbed to the subliminal messages
and they absolutely refuse to hear or see anything that is happening around them

they just keep repeating the mantra "Must Stop Terrorists"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 07/17/2008
- Heathnyy5 I'm a Fan of Heathnyy5 4 fans permalink

McCain is now talking out of so many sides of his mouth that it would be funny if the election was not so serious and the press so dumb to his blatant posturing. To appease the Conservatives McCain praises Bush and says, "I only was against Rumsfeld!" but as any pragmatist knows, Bush is poison, which is why his fund raising is done in secret. Now we have McCain's campaign saying Obama (a man they readily define as a rigidly stubborn yet a flimsy flip-flopper) is bad because he is like Bush.

How is McCain's campaign taken seriously? Every day I read of another mistake made by McCain and the campaign, and yet when I check the mainstream news sites I see no coverage of all the constant lying and changing of positions coming from the old Senator from AZ.

I am increasingly annoyed by the fact that it is ONLY the Liberal groups that notice how ridiculous McCain is, while if Obama and his campaign made any of the mistakes and blunders of McCain campaign, he'd be blown apart by the media (so they could escape being called Liberal) and the pundits would say he had no chance.

I am sick of this double-standard, but until the media and the public are ready to call McCain on even the greatest of his follies, the contest will remain closer than it should be, when it reality it should be a walk for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 07/17/2008

The drunk NeoDajay is on pages 2 and 3 replying to 3 hour old posts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 07/17/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1612 fans permalink
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Hope she stays there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 07/17/2008
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 325 fans permalink
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She is lost in the twilight zone

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 07/17/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1612 fans permalink
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She keeps increasing the number of sons she has serving in Iraq. Pretty soon the whole "surge" would consist of her sons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 07/17/2008
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Are you sure we aren't a Monarchy or Dictatorship?

Look on the good side McBush would not be in the top ten.

THE WORLD'S 10 OLDEST LEADERS

ROBERT MUGABE, 84, president of Zimbabwe, 28 years in power

KING ABDULLAH , 84, king of Saudi Arabia, 12 years in power

GIRIJA PRASAD KOIRALA, 83, prime minister of Nepal, two current years in power

ABDOULAYE WADE, 81, president of Senegal, eight years in power

HOSNI MUBARAK, 79, president of Egypt, 26 years in power

SHEIKH SABAH AL AHMAD AL SABAH, 78, emir of Kuwait, five years in power

RAUL CASTRO, 76, president of Cuba, two years in power, including unofficially

MWAI KIBAKI, 76, president of Kenya, five years in power

MANMOHAN SINGH, 75, prime minister of India, four years in power

THAN SHWE, 75, chair of Burma's military junta, 16 years in power

Source: Reproduced with permission from Foreign Policy, www.foreignpolicy.com. Copyright 2008, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 07/17/2008

Elizabeth II, 82, -- 55 years on the throne

That's the one lil bushie is aiming for

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 07/17/2008
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Let's make McBush King and 0bama president. That would fit McBush's age better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 07/17/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1612 fans permalink
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I wonder if they all think that there is still a countrry called Checkoslovakia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 07/17/2008
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LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 07/17/2008
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Then again by US Senate standards McBush is a baby.

U.S. SENATE

The U.S. Senate has a history of long-serving members:

SEN. ROBERT BYRD, still serving West Virginia, began serving in 1959; will be 91 on Nov. 20. He is the longest-serving senator in U.S. history.

SEN. CARL TRUMBULL HAYDEN, served Arizona as senator from 1927 until 1969, when he was 92. Died in 1972 at 94.

SEN. STROM THURMOND served South Carolina from 1954 until 2003, just under six months before he died as the oldest serving senator at 100 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 07/17/2008
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The best part is every one is in a developing country.

Well that makes up my mind. If McBush is elected we will enter 3rd world status.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 07/17/2008

Bet this went over real well at the Bush diner table.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 07/16/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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“Poor John, divided from himself and his fair judgment, without the which we are pictures – or mere beasts.”
King Claudius

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 07/16/2008
- mairs I'm a Fan of mairs 228 fans permalink
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Shall I read this or go read about Sarah Jessica Parker's mole? A mountain of lies or a molehill? Hard to decide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 07/16/2008
- jj I'm a Fan of jj 14 fans permalink

I like to think that McCain is less a flip flopper and more a man that likes to offer a variety of differing (and contrasting) opinions for everyone.

He's like the Whitman's sampler of politics (except every opinions is nuts).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 07/16/2008
- hope I'm a Fan of hope 80 fans permalink

oh, please.

on matters of any import, if someone isn't telling him what to think even bush isn't like bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 07/16/2008
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 160 fans permalink

I'm not sure the presidential contender from Arizona can discern fact from reality. He seems to have different levels of competence at different times.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 07/16/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1612 fans permalink
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Went to freeper. Registered (with same moniker as here). Then I posted a reply on a thread where they were making fun of 0bama talking about getting rid of nukes around the world.

I just posted this link that shows that Kiss_inger, Sam Nu_nn, William Pe_rry and George Sh_ultz have called for exactly the same thing in a joint eassay.

http://www.nuclearsecurityproject.org/atf/cf/%7B1FCE2821-C31C-4560-BEC1-BB4BB58B54D9%7D/CHARLES_CURTIS_GENEVA043008.PDF

I waited a while, then received a message that my posting priviliges have been revoked.

LOL.

Why are Right Wingers so afraid of facts?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 07/16/2008

Facts are to wingers what crosses are to vampires.

Look at how the trollz here melt when they are called on their lies by the posting of facts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 07/16/2008

Birky,

What "facts" have you posted?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 07/16/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1612 fans permalink
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It's unbelievable. It is one thing not to know enough, but to not WANT to know more is something else altogether.

No wonder we have Boosh as Preznit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 07/16/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

It must be nice to live in your own reality, where you think you have some power.

Keep the dream alive, pal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 07/16/2008
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Because they're Right-wingers.

Facts frighten them.

Fantasy is much more palatable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 07/16/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1612 fans permalink
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But I was so polite. Extra polite. One guy was calling 0bama speech as "kindergarten essay", and I said that that was very funny indeed. But here is another essay that might be of interest ... and I posted the link and an excerpt.

That did it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 07/16/2008
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This what I got:

"Thank you for your contribution. Your comment has been submitted for review"

Submitted for review. I guess Big Brother is an active part of the Ne0 C0n social scene

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 07/16/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1612 fans permalink
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Yes. I got that too. But then nothing happened. And when I tried to post another reply, I found out that I had been banned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 07/16/2008
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I wanted to show lefties what censorship was really like.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 07/16/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1612 fans permalink
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Yeah, but I don't like even what they have here. It used to be better, much better. In fact they had none when they started this site.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 07/16/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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"Why are Right Wingers so afraid of facts?"

Why do cockroaches run when you turn on the lights?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 07/16/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1612 fans permalink
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Great analogy. They don't like light. Right Wingers don't like knowledge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 07/16/2008

THey do not know what to do with facts, limited intellectual capacity, need insitutional guidence, i.e., Church and State (government), and now Media, as created by neocons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 07/17/2008

Ahhh... what has the world come to when the republican is telling the truth?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 07/16/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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When has that happened since Eisenhower?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 07/16/2008
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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Still waiting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 07/16/2008

That explains why Bush is raising huge amounts of cash for McCain at private lobbyists dinners.
McCain is old. Now it appears that he is losing his marbles also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 07/16/2008
- gbht12 I'm a Fan of gbht12 3 fans permalink

OMG, who is running the McCain campaign. They want us to believe Obama is like BUSH. Nice Try. Made me laugh though!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 07/16/2008

cynicism101
"Well, aside from the inverse-pr­acticality of that lame duck argument - "

Oswald Bates lives!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7dPprbzNSc

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 07/16/2008
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WTH?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 07/16/2008

birky,

What, you didn't feel it necessary to include your lame argument when you quoted me?

tsk tsk ... are you still sore about the burger U comment from earlier?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 07/16/2008

No, because you showed your ignorance by replying with "you're" instead of "your"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 07/16/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

loser

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 07/16/2008
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