US abandons Afghan outpost where 9 troops died

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FISNIK ABRASHI | July 16, 2008 02:34 PM EST | AP

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U.S. soldiers walk to pass a makeshift bridge on a patrol in Parun, the capital of Nuristan province, east of Kabul, Afghanistan, on Saturday, July 12, 2008. An insurgent raid that penetrated an American outpost in eastern Afghanistan, killing nine soldiers, has deepened doubts about the U.S. military's effort to contain Islamic militants and keep locals on its side. (AP Photo)

KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. troops abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine of their comrades this week, officials said Wednesday, in another sign of the struggle facing foreign and Afghan security forces strung out along the mountainous border.

Elsewhere in the frontier region, NATO launched artillery and helicopter strikes in Pakistan after coming under insurgent rocket fire, officials said.

The violence is another indication of the growing strength of the Taliban-led insurgency, especially in Afghanistan's east, where the outpost near the village of Wanat was breached by militants on Sunday. Nine Americans were killed in the deadliest incident for U.S. forces in three years.

On Tuesday, the insurgents drove out the handful of police left behind to defend government offices in the village, but 50 more officers were deployed Wednesday and soon regained control, senior provincial police official Ghoolam Farouq said.

The militants retreated into the mountains, and village elders negotiated a truce between the two sides, Farouq said.

Omar Sami, spokesman for the Nuristan provincial governor, said American and Afghan soldiers left the base Tuesday.

NATO confirmed that the post, which lies amid precipitous mountains close to the Pakistan border, had been vacated while insisting that international and Afghan troops will "retain a strong presence in that area with patrolling and other means."

In Washington, Pentagon leaders said Wednesday they are looking for ways to send additional troops to Afghanistan this year, signaling an acceleration in what had been plans to shift forces there no earlier than next year.

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"I think that we are clearly working very hard to see if there are opportunities to send additional forces sooner rather than later," Defense Secretary Robert Gates told Pentagon reporters. But, he added that no final decisions or recommendations have been made.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who recently returned from meetings with commanders in Afghanistan, said they clearly want more troops.

"It's a tougher fight, it's a more complex fight, and they need more troops to have the long-term impact that we all want to have there," said Mullen, who also met last week with Pakistani leaders.

The Pentagon has been wrestling with how to provide what they say is a much needed military buildup in Afghanistan, while they still have 150,000 troops in Iraq.

The retreat from the eastern outpost will be considered a victory by the insurgents, and comes after a spate of security setbacks for President Hamid Karzai's government, including a spectacular Taliban jail break in the southern Kandahar province in June that freed about 900 inmates, and a spike in attacks alongside the border with Pakistan.

In response, Karzai has stepped up his rhetoric against neighboring Pakistan, whose lawless tribal areas adjacent to Afghanistan serve as sanctuaries for al-Qaida and other militants.

Karzai blames the attacks _ including suicide bombings and cross-border raids _ on Pakistan's intelligence service, alleging they are behind the insurgency in Afghanistan. Pakistan denies the charge saying Karzai is trying to create "an artificial crisis" to deflect attention from his own failings.

The accusations have pitched relations between these key U.S. allies to their lowest point since U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.

In other violence reported Wednesday, the U.S.-led coalition said eight civilians were killed when it called in airstrikes after one of its patrols came under attack in the country's west. The issue of civilian casualties has caused friction between the Afghan government and U.S. and NATO troops, and has weakened the popularity of the Western-backed Karzai.

In a separate statement, the coalition said another airstrike killed several militants after they attacked a joint U.S. and Afghan patrol in Kandahar province's Shah Wali district on Tuesday.

The governor of Kandahar said eight militants were killed during an operation in the southern province's Khakrez district in the past two days. A regional Taliban commander, Mullah Mahmoud, who controlled about 250 fighters, was among those killed, a NATO statement said.

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Associated Press writers Amir Shah in Kabul and Noor Khan in Kandahar and Lolita C. Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. troops abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine of their comrades this week, officials said Wednesday, in another sign of the strug...
KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. troops abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine of their comrades this week, officials said Wednesday, in another sign of the strug...
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What a bunch of whiners. Losing is all in the mind. Just think happy thoughts -

- America is the bestest country on the face of the earth given to us by Gawd
- We're better off without Sad-dam
- Afg hanistan is a model of democracy
- G W B is our best friend and would never lie to me
- We are winning the GWOT, by bunches
- McSlane knows how to win wars and fix the economy

Krist - liberals!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 07/16/2008
- BobC46 I'm a Fan of BobC46 6 fans permalink

"US Troops Forced out of Afghan Base"
Great day for the Huffpo Moonbats,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 07/16/2008

Not really, tr0ll. Perhaps you should read before commenting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 07/16/2008
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One has to admire a troll who has the guts to print his IQ in his handle....­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 07/16/2008

The truth is bob, any of us would gladly trade you and your pathetic chimps life for the life of these 9 soldiers any day of the week.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 07/16/2008

We'd better start talking to Iran. We are going to get run out of the Middle East on a rail very shortly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 07/16/2008
- minnehot I'm a Fan of minnehot 7 fans permalink

The American people like the word "Victory"', we like it alot:

http://michaelyon-online.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1690%3Asuccess-in-iraq&catid=34%3Adispatches&Itemid=55%23yvComment

The single best thing we can do to increase oil supplies (and depress prices) is to maintain security in Iraq so they can expand production. Can you handle that Harry (The War IS LOST) Reid? or Nancy (The Road Of Peace Goes Through Damascus) Pelosi?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 07/16/2008

How many BILLIONS of dollars per week to suggest we spend to "maintain security"?

$5 billion per week is a lot of oil. How much of that benefit goes to reducing gasoline cost, and how much goes to Bush's buddies? How many of our soldiers die or are wounded each week so you can afford to drive a truck?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 07/16/2008
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We've already been fighting in Afghanistan 1-1/2 times as long as we were in WWII - and we still have yet to hear a definition of "victory" from the administration. Likewise, Iraq has no definition of victory except for the vague and ever shifting goal posts which move every time Bush realizes that his fantasies are increasingly unachievable.

"Victory" is something we had just a few months after we entered Iraq ... and Bush has stolen it from our military by forcing them to remain engaged in an un-winnable occupation. The day we leave Iraq, and it can't come too soon, is the day we can declare victory. The victory of reason. The victory of sanity. The victory over graft.

The victory of finally coming to our senses.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 07/16/2008
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so you're admitting that the Iraq War has always been about oil?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 07/16/2008
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"The single best thing we can do to increase oil supplies ... "

The single worst thing we can do is remain in Iraq. Iraqis handled oil production before we were there. They can handle their own oil production after we've gone.

"The American people like the word "Victory"', we like it alot:"

The American people HAD "victory" - military "victory" - years ago. That victory was stolen from them by George Bush. He has never even defined what victory in Iraq would look like. Why do you think that is? Every time he faces the reality that another of his fantasy goals is unachievable, he moves the "victory" goal posts further down the field. Even the dimwitted Bush knows that there can be no military solution to Iraq - and he has said so on a number of occasion.

What do you think you know that he doesn't?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 07/16/2008
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Rupert Murdoch said we'd have $20/barrel oil if we invaded Iraq. How's that working out so far?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 07/16/2008
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"US Troops Forced out of Afghan Base"? Sure doesn't read that way. If you think abandoning a village in Afghanistan is a terrible indication of how we are "losing the war", you have never been there and have very little knowledge of the situation. I am pretty sure the majority of you fit into both categories­...another Huffington Post to feed the Lemmings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 07/16/2008
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

bb, did you read the article? Taliban forces allegedly aided by Pakistan forced out NATO and US troops. What's hard to understand about that?

The continuing mismanagement of BOTH wars is enabling an inferior enemy in BOTH territories to continue to outwit the US and its allies. A refocusing of the effort on Afghanistan, while drawing down forces in the misbegotten hellish "adventure" in Iraq, is probably the only way to stop the Taliban-led forces from continuing to make serious gains in that country.

Not sure what your refence about lemmings is supposed to mean... but if you mean serious consideration of fact-based reporting, you're absolutely right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 07/16/2008
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"abandoned" and "vacated" are hardly "FORCED OUT"...and where in the hell does it say what you claim "Taliban forces allegedly aided by Pakistan forced out NATO and US troops"? Is that made up?

Oh, and somehow you missed "50 more officers were deployed Wednesday and soon regained control...­The militants retreated into the mountains, and village elders negotiated a truce between the two sides, Farouq said".

So let go back to the "forced out"...you think a bunch of village elders are more capably of fighting off an insurgency than the US/Parner Nation Armed Services? No. That is why the title is VERY misleading.

Bottom Line: we left but will continue to provide a presence..­.likely in the form of patrols, attack helicopters & fixed wing aircraft (among other things).

It looks terrible when you make things up to support a weak argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 07/16/2008
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hellish war? has there ever been a war that was not hellish...­....Not that many have died as opposed to other wars or police actions the US has had......g­ranted I would not want to be one of the few soldiers that did lose their life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 07/16/2008

What the biased article doesn't say is that Insurgents suffered heavy casualities during the attack. Many more victories like that and we won't need any troops there. They took a small base and lost a large number of irreplacable troops during the assault. I wonder who the victor really is?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 07/16/2008
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Um, let me guess. It was a "strategic redeployment"? An "advance to the rear"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 07/16/2008

Actually according to military accounts they hoped for this fight. The more Taliban that showed up, the more would be eliminated.

It appears they had no intention on staying for any length of time and left at their choice. after the battle the Taliban lost badly. Pentagon news has some updated from those who were there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 07/17/2008

It wasn't that long ago the Taliban were a joke, idealogical dinosaurs charging around the desert on camels and battered Toyota pickups.
How are they killing American troops? how has strategy gone out of the window in favor of scoring political points with troops?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 07/16/2008
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From Afghanistan to Chad, "battered Toyota pickups" as you call them, called "Technicals" by the somalis, are the mainstay of mobile guerilla warfare. Not as stable or well armored as a Humvee, but more agile and far easier to repair. Not to be sneered at. I always thought that Toyota ought to do a series of TV ads around some of their exploits, but I guess it would be in bad taste...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 07/16/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 07/16/2008
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What a shame! Just when we were starting to have some fun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 07/16/2008

They left us BitterBetty to swat around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 07/16/2008

What a shame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 07/16/2008
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I will miss that queen. Sniffs

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 07/16/2008

Princess. Her mother is still alive.

Just before leaving, DeeDee was expressing concern that it cost her mother $50 for a fill up. Offering to pay for her mother's fuel didn't enter the picture, though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 07/16/2008
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

Did they (HP) scrub her right out, or did she give up?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 07/16/2008

Volvo : ...

...

( I'm all tore - up. )

So, now who's going to be reading us excerpts from the ' Fascist Indoctrination Questionnaire ' ??


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 07/16/2008
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And you all are not allowed to comment unless you are wearing lapel pins. Not wearing lapel pins emboldens the enemy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 07/16/2008
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I have no idea what you guys are talking about. It was "Mission Accomplished" years ago.

and if you recall, Iraq is the central front of the war on terror.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 07/16/2008
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Afghan insurgents are in the middle of a campaign right now, and they are looking strong so far. With the successful prison assault, and now this successful assault on a coalition base, they have bragging rights. If we could have held onto the base, we would have, but forces are stretched too thin to secure this remote base from attack.

They attacked, we pulled out, that's how it's going to be seen. Predator drones and satellites didn't prevent this, there just aren't enough troops there to secure such a large country. Human intelligence is key.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 07/16/2008

They left their childhood
On every acre
And who was wrong?
And who was right?
It didnt matter in the thick of the fight
We held the day
In the palm
Of our hand
They ruled the night
And the night
Seemed to last as long as six weeks
On parris island

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 07/16/2008

Human intelligence is a dichotomy when referring to MonkeyKing and his band of Yes-Generals.

He should be impeached and they should be court martial'ed and replaced with ones who know how to successfully engage the enemy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 07/16/2008

Sure it's not an oxymoron ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 07/16/2008
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And you're telling us this after six f*cking years of fightting? More importantly, have you informed the C-in-C of yoour findings? Don't wait another six years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 07/16/2008

Ever since I worked with Feminist Majority on their campaign against the Taliban in the nineties, I've felt a sense of attachment to Afghanistan. I want that country to succeed and it angers me that the Bush administration had their eyes on a different prize and screwed that war up so badly.

Afghanistan has a unique history. It's been a nexus of globalization since Alexander the Great.

I pray that President Obama will be able to set us on the right course towards securing Afghanistan, defeating the Taliban, and helping the Afghans build a stable, prosperous nation.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 07/16/2008
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What a disgrace these Republicans have brought us.

Six plus years and we can't defeat the f*cking Taliban? Five plus years in Iraq which was supposed to take six weeks, not six months? Fighting folks with IEDs and road side bombs?

And look at all the money spent. They told us Iraq war would cost less than $50 billion.

Forget about the morality of Iraq war, forget about the lies they told us, they have caused humiliation for our troops and our country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 07/16/2008

These @#$%^&*&^%(& do not care about the spending in Iraq. Instead, the focus seems to be on how much they can loot from our treasury to line their pockets. It's called profiteering, it's illegal, but no one in DC seems to be interested in enforcing this law. It is all a gigantic cash grab.

@#$&%#*&%$@^- EXCUSE ME WHILE I VENT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 07/16/2008
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It is no longer called profiteering. It's called the Republican Business Model.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 07/16/2008

Ya'll need to regroup on this idea that these jihadi's are some kind of raggedy ass force. in 1892 Mr Kipling noted

"And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of
the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear: "A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the
East."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 07/16/2008
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I have been thinking that exact quote about GW Bush from the beginning of his Middle Eastern adventures.

Too bad no one in the media has ever read Kipling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 07/18/2008

I'd like to know if there is a single corporation out there that would hire G-eorge B-ush to be its CEO? Hell, I'd like to know if anyone will hire him as a janitor?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 07/16/2008
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Makes you wonder. What a custerf*ck these Republicans have created.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 07/16/2008
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Not fit for janitor.
He creates too much of a mess.

It would be so hilarious if it wouldn't be so terribly sad.

Totally depressing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 07/16/2008

For $5 he can clean the dog doodoo from by back yard, with out the scooper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 07/16/2008
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Don't worry - his rich daddy will give him another company he can run into the ground.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 07/16/2008
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What an embarrassment for our country that after six plus years we can't defeat these Taliban on horsebacks.

Just think, we spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined. And this is what we get?

I don't blame the troops. I blame that mass murdering thug who is our current Commander-in-Chief.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 07/16/2008

Remember Rumsfeld who did not want to bomb Afghanistan because it was not a target rich environment? His mentality set the tone for not addressing the Taliban properly. A McCain presidency would ensure we will continue to waste resources that could be used there in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 07/16/2008
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

So i'll try once again to post... altho i think i understand why it's not making it up, it doesn't really have anything to do with the thread...

But maybe there should be an award for H*ater Of the Day, that goes to the most rabid of the right-wing loons that post on these articles..­. someone like TonyaLove is a perfect example. No original thought, nothing but regurgitating Fox Noise lunacy... complete with hatred of America and hatred of the troops... my pick for the winner, today at least...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 07/16/2008

Sami said U.S. troops armed local police with more than 20 guns before they left, but that the officers had fled the village and crossed into neighboring Kunar province when 100 militants moved into Wanat.

WhoTF is in charge over there? They leave a diminished force of locals with 20 guns - against a force of 200!

What a way to win hearts and minds.

After eight years of this; not sending enough troops to begin with, then diverting troops, supplies and equipment to Iraq, is it any wonder we are moving backwards in the goal of rousting out the Taliban.

Heads should roll over this, but they won't. Not the ones that need to anyway. Meanwhile, our commanding officers, sitting in their far-removed, safe and air conditioned offices while they send our brave soldiers on suicide missions, understaffed and ill equipped. But those same COs will all get 'atta boys' and medals of freedom from the monkey in the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 07/16/2008

I agree. This horrible incident happened because the U.S. Commanders have been raised not on sound strategic judgment, but on Beves and Butthead! The outpost was not protected by air power. There were no lookout emplaced around the encampment. There was no Abrams tank. The camp was in the worst possible position in midst of town, rather than on a hill. There were no cement barriers vital for defense. I think that the commander should be fired!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 07/16/2008

Do you believe the commander didnt want to provide the best possible equipment and conditions for his soldiers or that he did and just wasn't supplied them? Its naive to think commanders care so little for their troops when its their troops that carry out the missions they are ordered to oversee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 07/16/2008

They were the lookouts, jesus!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 07/16/2008
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"We are committed, now more than ever, to establishing a secure environment that will allow even greater opportunities for development and a stronger Afghan governmental influence," NATO spokesman Capt. Mike Finney said."

The only thing the US and Britan are worried about in Afghanistan is the Oil pipelines and Oil profits. Stuff you Humanitarian claims where the sun don't shine. Dead US Troops = Halliburton Profits = Money in dick Cheney's bloody war criminal pockets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 07/16/2008
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