US abandons Afghan outpost where 9 troops died

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FISNIK ABRASHI | July 16, 2008 02:34 PM EST | AP

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U.S. soldiers walk to pass a makeshift bridge on a patrol in Parun, the capital of Nuristan province, east of Kabul, Afghanistan, on Saturday, July 12, 2008. An insurgent raid that penetrated an American outpost in eastern Afghanistan, killing nine soldiers, has deepened doubts about the U.S. military's effort to contain Islamic militants and keep locals on its side. (AP Photo)

KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. troops abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine of their comrades this week, officials said Wednesday, in another sign of the struggle facing foreign and Afghan security forces strung out along the mountainous border.

Elsewhere in the frontier region, NATO launched artillery and helicopter strikes in Pakistan after coming under insurgent rocket fire, officials said.

The violence is another indication of the growing strength of the Taliban-led insurgency, especially in Afghanistan's east, where the outpost near the village of Wanat was breached by militants on Sunday. Nine Americans were killed in the deadliest incident for U.S. forces in three years.

On Tuesday, the insurgents drove out the handful of police left behind to defend government offices in the village, but 50 more officers were deployed Wednesday and soon regained control, senior provincial police official Ghoolam Farouq said.

The militants retreated into the mountains, and village elders negotiated a truce between the two sides, Farouq said.

Omar Sami, spokesman for the Nuristan provincial governor, said American and Afghan soldiers left the base Tuesday.

NATO confirmed that the post, which lies amid precipitous mountains close to the Pakistan border, had been vacated while insisting that international and Afghan troops will "retain a strong presence in that area with patrolling and other means."

In Washington, Pentagon leaders said Wednesday they are looking for ways to send additional troops to Afghanistan this year, signaling an acceleration in what had been plans to shift forces there no earlier than next year.

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"I think that we are clearly working very hard to see if there are opportunities to send additional forces sooner rather than later," Defense Secretary Robert Gates told Pentagon reporters. But, he added that no final decisions or recommendations have been made.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who recently returned from meetings with commanders in Afghanistan, said they clearly want more troops.

"It's a tougher fight, it's a more complex fight, and they need more troops to have the long-term impact that we all want to have there," said Mullen, who also met last week with Pakistani leaders.

The Pentagon has been wrestling with how to provide what they say is a much needed military buildup in Afghanistan, while they still have 150,000 troops in Iraq.

The retreat from the eastern outpost will be considered a victory by the insurgents, and comes after a spate of security setbacks for President Hamid Karzai's government, including a spectacular Taliban jail break in the southern Kandahar province in June that freed about 900 inmates, and a spike in attacks alongside the border with Pakistan.

In response, Karzai has stepped up his rhetoric against neighboring Pakistan, whose lawless tribal areas adjacent to Afghanistan serve as sanctuaries for al-Qaida and other militants.

Karzai blames the attacks _ including suicide bombings and cross-border raids _ on Pakistan's intelligence service, alleging they are behind the insurgency in Afghanistan. Pakistan denies the charge saying Karzai is trying to create "an artificial crisis" to deflect attention from his own failings.

The accusations have pitched relations between these key U.S. allies to their lowest point since U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.

In other violence reported Wednesday, the U.S.-led coalition said eight civilians were killed when it called in airstrikes after one of its patrols came under attack in the country's west. The issue of civilian casualties has caused friction between the Afghan government and U.S. and NATO troops, and has weakened the popularity of the Western-backed Karzai.

In a separate statement, the coalition said another airstrike killed several militants after they attacked a joint U.S. and Afghan patrol in Kandahar province's Shah Wali district on Tuesday.

The governor of Kandahar said eight militants were killed during an operation in the southern province's Khakrez district in the past two days. A regional Taliban commander, Mullah Mahmoud, who controlled about 250 fighters, was among those killed, a NATO statement said.

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Associated Press writers Amir Shah in Kabul and Noor Khan in Kandahar and Lolita C. Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. troops abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine of their comrades this week, officials said Wednesday, in another sign of the strug...
KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. troops abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine of their comrades this week, officials said Wednesday, in another sign of the strug...
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Tonya, Brad and Betty had to send out for reinforcements.

Pity that they could only get the fake minister to show up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 07/16/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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"Troll Powers - ACTIVATE!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 07/16/2008
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Spot on Volo, T-onya is near meltdowm..­.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 07/16/2008

As is Bitter Betty.

It will take the fake minister a while to get to that stage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 07/16/2008

Nah study hall is over and now they have to go back to Algebra class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 07/16/2008
- Fein I'm a Fan of Fein 19 fans permalink

We could probably determine the Right Wing Nut website where they organized their attempt to disrupt us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 07/16/2008
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This seems pretty orchestrated to me. We've been there since 2001 and it flares up 4 months before an election?

And...did we sell the "M.O.A.B." factory to China or something?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 07/16/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 108 fans permalink

BRAD THE PITTS and TONYA THE HATER are both sadistic posters who just wish to aggravate and annoy. Please don't allow them to do that here. IGNORE them and let them squirm in their own diseased hatred. That's what they deserve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 07/16/2008
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They kicked the Soviets out of their country. And the Soviets were not exactly known for being softies on the countries they conquered. It is only a matter of time before our troops have to leave Afghanistan in defeat. It will be Vietnam all over again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 07/16/2008
- Fein I'm a Fan of Fein 19 fans permalink

Wow! Our gov's not even trying to be subtle with their lying about civilian casualties.
They note that 'air support' was used defending this attack. Then, they immediately state that civilians couldn't have been hit since 'no bombs were dropped close than 40 KM away.' So I guess civilians
killed by missles and/or cannon fire from helicopters doesn't count!
This isn't even Karl Rove style missinfo - this is more like North Korean propaganda! Just watch, Karzai will be forced to kick us out - at a certain point, Afgans will be forced to conclude that getting killed by Taliban for specified offences is preferrable to getting killed by The Coalition 'by accident'.
Our military efforts are beginning to look more like 'Redneck Rampage' than a sophisticated strategy.
'A natural result of the degradation of our military, I guess.'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 07/16/2008
- andyboy I'm a Fan of andyboy 74 fans permalink

The ultimate hypocrisy - Advertising the war on terror as the biggest most important and hardest war ever. Then fighting it with 150,000 guys or less.

No draft? No hundreds of thousands dead? Just high gas prices?

I wonder if a usable, affordable electric car could be developed for a trillion dollars. You'd think this was tantamount to building a vehicle for time travel.

What liars and cynical greed heads we let take over our beautiful country.

They are literally destroying it. Today. Not maybe. Not someday. Now.

It's incredible how docile and ignorant the populace has become. We all literally retreat into a total state of denial while our country is torn to pieces and eaten by these Facist pigs.

And if you think Barack Obama can do a damn thing about it your hallucinatory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 07/16/2008

The liberals believe it is okay to both degrade the troops and not enlist which is why they will be punished at the polls this November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/16/2008
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The Liberals - that would be the republicans, right? After all their liberal spending has brought America to the brink of financial collapse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 07/16/2008
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 172 fans permalink

The conservatives believe it's ok to hate America and abandon the troops which is why they will be destroyed at the polls this November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 07/16/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1600 fans permalink
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No. The liberal don't believe that. Imbeciles think that that's what they believe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 07/16/2008
- donaldw6 I'm a Fan of donaldw6 357 fans permalink
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Please stop trying to drag the dialogue down to your level. The adults are trying to have a conversation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 07/16/2008
- TrueIndy08 I'm a Fan of TrueIndy08 31 fans permalink

I am so f*^cking sick of you BRAD!!!!

There are plenty of LIBERALS who have enlisted and who are currently serving in both Iraq and Afghanista­n....

so I think its you who sticks your foot in your mouth everytime you use that term and you fail to realize that you are denegrating our troops....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 07/16/2008
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Deja vu all over again!

February 5, 1989

The last Soviet troops leave Kabul
In an important move signaling the close of the nearly decade-long Soviet military intervention in Afghanistan, the last Russian troops withdraw from the capital city of Kabul. Less than two weeks later, all Soviet troops departed Afghanistan entirely, ending what many observers referred to as Russia's "Vietnam."

Soviet armed forces entered Afghanistan in December 1979 to support that nation's pro-Soviet communist government in its battles with Muslim rebels. Almost immediately, the Soviet Union found itself mired in a rapidly escalating conflict. Afghan rebels put up unexpectedly stiff resistance to the Russian intervention. Soon, thousands of Soviet troops were fighting a bloody, costly, and ultimately frustrating battle to end the Afghan resistance. By the time the Soviets started to withdraw in early 1989, over 13,000 Russian soldiers were dead and over 22,000 had been wounded. The Soviet Union also suffered from a very negative diplomatic response from the United States--President Jimmy Carter put a hold on arms negotiations, asked for economic sanctions, and pressed for an American boycott of the 1980 Olympics in Moscow

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 07/16/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1600 fans permalink
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That BJ character is always complaining that everybody hates him.
If true, a little introspection might be what he needs. Poor thing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 07/16/2008

I wonder why you hate America?

Put on your introspection cap and see if you can figure out why you "blame America first" at every opportunity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/16/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/16/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1600 fans permalink
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But I don't. Now crawl back under your rock and tell all the other worms what you found out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 07/16/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 124 fans permalink
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Do you suppose that senator who didn't love America until he was captured by the enemy hated America or was just ambivalent about her?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 07/16/2008
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That's so tired and out of date., Betty Jo.

You know perfectly well that Hume doesn't hate America---none of us does, except for you and Cankles and the rest of the tr0ll brigade who come here to spew lies and insults.

Only the desperate and the deluded try to impugn the patriotism of those with whom they disagree.

You are an embarrassment to humanity.
No one is buying your load of excrement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 07/16/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 332 fans permalink
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Introspection can be good for the soul.

Never mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 07/16/2008
- emmav70 I'm a Fan of emmav70 5 fans permalink

I'm watching Barack right now , he is holding a summit on 21st century threats .

How lucky are we to have him as a future commander in chief !

This guy is brilliant !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 07/16/2008
- ROBOT8 I'm a Fan of ROBOT8 18 fans permalink
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ALL HELL IS ABOUT TO BREAK LOOSE!!!!!!!! ABD AMERICA IS TOO POOR TO DEAL WITH IT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 07/16/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 237 fans permalink

Don't believe the hype!! You want to see "AMAZING" ... I can show you what "poor" people CAN DO!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 07/16/2008
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I really would like to know where the ditto-heads here aquired their great level of military expertise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 07/16/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 332 fans permalink
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Like their expertise in all things American, they await being told what to think by their talking heads. Without whom they'd be at a total loss for words.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 07/16/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 124 fans permalink
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However the joke's on them because they're told what to think by people who are admittedly just carrying water for things they don't really believe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 07/16/2008

lorne : Being the armchair Rambos that they are... They're also legends in their own minds.

Ask one sometime. They're more than happy to expostulate !

( Bring Pepto... )


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 07/16/2008
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I'm told that you gain military expertise by flying over combat at around 10,000 feet and then being captured and held by the enemy for five years or so.

Really makes one love America who didn't before.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 07/16/2008
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Repeated viewing of B-grade war movies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 07/16/2008
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Just maybe they are not "dittoheads" Maybe they don't lick the cheese out from between Obamas toes. Obama says he will consult with Colin Powell - You remember Colin Powell - He appeared before the UN with those phony WMD drawings. Our memory sure is short!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 07/16/2008
- Mojane I'm a Fan of Mojane 11 fans permalink

Hindsight is regretable, but here goes: Had we stayed in Afghanistan from the beginning, never touched Iraq, spent all of the money that's been squandered and is continuing to hemorrhage in Iraq instead on ousting the Taliban, then helping build an infrastructure, schools, hospitals, training and hiring Afghan workers with Army Corps of Engineers supervising the building, sending in American students as interns to assist business professionals along with U.N. agencies, to begin building self-sustaining businesses, micro-banks, small industries­,......wit­h only a modicum of military presence for security while this buiding and re-building is going on, then what would have been remaining (billions) could have gone into OUR infrastructure, schools, hospitals, new energy alternative industries, etc.......­if only. In other words, helping a damaged country (by Russia, by the environment, blah blah) regain it's sovreignty, its dignity indepent of us, the entire picture in that region could have been one of a transition from brinkish to a light at the end of a desparate tunnel for millions of poverty-stricken, out of work, angry young and old men in the region.

P.S. When we first went into Afghanistan initially, installed an "interim" government and began "securing" the place, Iranians were there offering to help to us train an Afghan military (with a common language, to boot). Imagine that.....o­ur sworn enemy offering us help. Did we take them up on the offer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 07/16/2008

What's crazy is that even Bush sees something is going wrong in Afghanistan.

Which either means he accidentally got ahead of the curve, is so far off the curve that he's on it, he accidentally guessed right, he accidentally said Afghanistan when he meant to say something like "I want a hot dog", or things are as unbelievably bad there as is normally required to get Bush to notice and we're the ones who are behind the curve.

http://digg.com/political_opinion/Afghanistan_s_going_great_why_do_you_ask

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 07/16/2008
- donaldw6 I'm a Fan of donaldw6 357 fans permalink
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My gut feeling is that it's a lot worse than we know, or Boosh would never have reacted. They wanted to bring some troops home to boost McLame's chances, so redeployment to Afghanistan is a very bad sign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 07/16/2008

this sure reminds me of fire base's in Viet Nam. That worked out real well for the U.S too did it not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 07/16/2008
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Not a fair comparison. I speak from firsthand experience.

Vietnam was a battle between two organized governments.

Afghanistan is more like anarchy against government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 07/16/2008
- NoBo08 I'm a Fan of NoBo08 3 fans permalink

US Military whipped Charlie's arse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 07/16/2008

Xin Loi MoFo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 07/16/2008
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I suppose that's why the helicopters had to airlift people from the roof of the US Embassy just before it was overrun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 07/16/2008
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 172 fans permalink

Sure they did.

Complete ignorance of history must be nice... I guess that's why your boy W has such a rosy view of things in the middle east...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 07/16/2008
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"Charlie"? What a child playing "army"!

Once again, please give us the details of your military background, you fraudulent chickenhawk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 07/16/2008
- TexasDem0 I'm a Fan of TexasDem0 33 fans permalink

Were you there?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 07/16/2008
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