US abandons Afghan outpost where 9 troops died

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FISNIK ABRASHI | July 16, 2008 02:34 PM EST | AP

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U.S. soldiers walk to pass a makeshift bridge on a patrol in Parun, the capital of Nuristan province, east of Kabul, Afghanistan, on Saturday, July 12, 2008. An insurgent raid that penetrated an American outpost in eastern Afghanistan, killing nine soldiers, has deepened doubts about the U.S. military's effort to contain Islamic militants and keep locals on its side. (AP Photo)

KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. troops abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine of their comrades this week, officials said Wednesday, in another sign of the struggle facing foreign and Afghan security forces strung out along the mountainous border.

Elsewhere in the frontier region, NATO launched artillery and helicopter strikes in Pakistan after coming under insurgent rocket fire, officials said.

The violence is another indication of the growing strength of the Taliban-led insurgency, especially in Afghanistan's east, where the outpost near the village of Wanat was breached by militants on Sunday. Nine Americans were killed in the deadliest incident for U.S. forces in three years.

On Tuesday, the insurgents drove out the handful of police left behind to defend government offices in the village, but 50 more officers were deployed Wednesday and soon regained control, senior provincial police official Ghoolam Farouq said.

The militants retreated into the mountains, and village elders negotiated a truce between the two sides, Farouq said.

Omar Sami, spokesman for the Nuristan provincial governor, said American and Afghan soldiers left the base Tuesday.

NATO confirmed that the post, which lies amid precipitous mountains close to the Pakistan border, had been vacated while insisting that international and Afghan troops will "retain a strong presence in that area with patrolling and other means."

In Washington, Pentagon leaders said Wednesday they are looking for ways to send additional troops to Afghanistan this year, signaling an acceleration in what had been plans to shift forces there no earlier than next year.

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"I think that we are clearly working very hard to see if there are opportunities to send additional forces sooner rather than later," Defense Secretary Robert Gates told Pentagon reporters. But, he added that no final decisions or recommendations have been made.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who recently returned from meetings with commanders in Afghanistan, said they clearly want more troops.

"It's a tougher fight, it's a more complex fight, and they need more troops to have the long-term impact that we all want to have there," said Mullen, who also met last week with Pakistani leaders.

The Pentagon has been wrestling with how to provide what they say is a much needed military buildup in Afghanistan, while they still have 150,000 troops in Iraq.

The retreat from the eastern outpost will be considered a victory by the insurgents, and comes after a spate of security setbacks for President Hamid Karzai's government, including a spectacular Taliban jail break in the southern Kandahar province in June that freed about 900 inmates, and a spike in attacks alongside the border with Pakistan.

In response, Karzai has stepped up his rhetoric against neighboring Pakistan, whose lawless tribal areas adjacent to Afghanistan serve as sanctuaries for al-Qaida and other militants.

Karzai blames the attacks _ including suicide bombings and cross-border raids _ on Pakistan's intelligence service, alleging they are behind the insurgency in Afghanistan. Pakistan denies the charge saying Karzai is trying to create "an artificial crisis" to deflect attention from his own failings.

The accusations have pitched relations between these key U.S. allies to their lowest point since U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.

In other violence reported Wednesday, the U.S.-led coalition said eight civilians were killed when it called in airstrikes after one of its patrols came under attack in the country's west. The issue of civilian casualties has caused friction between the Afghan government and U.S. and NATO troops, and has weakened the popularity of the Western-backed Karzai.

In a separate statement, the coalition said another airstrike killed several militants after they attacked a joint U.S. and Afghan patrol in Kandahar province's Shah Wali district on Tuesday.

The governor of Kandahar said eight militants were killed during an operation in the southern province's Khakrez district in the past two days. A regional Taliban commander, Mullah Mahmoud, who controlled about 250 fighters, was among those killed, a NATO statement said.

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Associated Press writers Amir Shah in Kabul and Noor Khan in Kandahar and Lolita C. Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. troops abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine of their comrades this week, officials said Wednesday, in another sign of the strug...
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I cannot believe how much happiness there seems to be here when we:
(1) lost 15 soldiers
(2) withdrew from a remote outpost

We killed 90 of the Taliban in this engagement and it wouldn't surprise me that we made this tactical withdrawal because
-the defensive position was damaged enough that it became a danger to soldiers manning the position
-we are falling back in order to lull them into those positions to ambush or counter with heavier weapons
Given my experience over there, it is more likely a combination based on what we did over there with my Airborne Ranger unit. You have to know that these outposts are little more than earthen outposts made of sandbags and any sort of rocks/natural cover available. These are not elaborate "forts" or omething that you see on Movies. These aren't positions that matter from an occupation basis and we regularly used the media (because they seemed to always want to report the negatives) to bait the Taliban into coming down out of the mountains a little bit further to ambush them to kill the rest.

As a Vet, I am all for ending both wars because I've had enough friends die in both theaters in a war on terror that I believed in (and still do). However, the nutjobs on this site that want to celebrate any sort of negativity really do the "end of the war" movement no justice by turning this into political attacks when none is needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 07/16/2008
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Question for the trolls, I know none of you ever served, that's cool, but give me the list of military books you have read, you are all obviously well schooled in the history of warfare, please post some of the books you have read.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/16/2008

I wonder if any of them have actually read David Morell's First Blood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 07/16/2008
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The fictional book! He wrights comic books now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 07/16/2008
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They play video games and play with GI Joe dolls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 07/16/2008
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THE TALIBAN BOOSTER CLUB ANNOUNCES LIFETIME MEMBERS:

Congratulations TonyaLove, BradPittsburgh and SweetSydney!

Your fervent support of the War in Iraq has helped to give so much aid and comfort to the Taliban in Afghanistan, they are chalking up successes nearly every week due to the focus of our forces being in Iraq.

Way to go! Keep up the good work and a bonus Burka and beheading at a soccer stadium of your choice will be headed your way soon!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/16/2008
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I've read that many of the al Qaeda we trained in Iraq have returned to their safe haven in Pakistan to put their training to use in the next attack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 07/16/2008
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We're good at that, remember our top student from the '80's, Bin Laden?

Not to mention our ally from the '80's, Saddam.

Can't wait for the 30 year reunion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 07/16/2008
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LMAO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 07/16/2008

If the Israelis can negotiate an agreement with Hezbollah, we should be able to negotiate an agreement with all Afghan parties to end this ridiculous conflict.

http://pogoprinciple.wordpress.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/16/2008
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Matthew Yglesias writes:

Here's a tidbit from John McCain's balanced budget "plan":

Balance the budget requires slowing outlay growth to 2.4 percent. The roughly $470 billion dollars (by 2013) in slower spending growth come from reduced deployments abroad ($150 billion; consistent with success in Iraq/Afghanistan that permits deployments to be cut by half — hopefully more)
James Kvaal and Robert Gordon note that this only adds up if you assume a total withdrawal. For one thing, "U.S. spending in Iraq and Afghanistan totaled $171 billion in 2007, according to the Congressional Budget Office – and that includes money for Iraqi security forces, foreign aid, and veterans benefits." Similarly, "According to CBO, rapidly reducing the number of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to 30,000 would save only $55 billion in 2013" and "Obama’s own, more aggressive plan to withdraw forces from Iraq will save only $90 billion a year, according to his campaign."

To obtain the sort of savings McCain is counting on, in other words, would require a much more aggressive withdrawal plan than the one he opposes as too aggressive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 07/16/2008
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So.....the country that truly harbors are enemies (who roam with impunity) has a deteriorating situation; whereas the country we invaded on accident is "seemingly" under control....great.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 07/16/2008
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$100 billion spent bailing out the banks.

$100 billion spent bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

$100 billion spent in Iraq, building their infrastructure, while we watch ours crumble.

Who are the real Conservatives?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 07/16/2008

You cannot let those banks collapse.There will be a run on deposits everywhere,even on bannks that are doing well.There will be almost no confidence in the fancial sector,which kills business confidence and scares away investors.People will start pulling out of the stock markets and since there will be too many people doing that,share prices will collapse,then copmes the stock market crash.It will not end there,surviving banks will be wary of lending any more money and there will be very hitgh interest rates.Businesses will collapse and then you will have a full scale depression,not a recession.

Iraq is a different story,I am yet to figure out why they are not using the oil revenues for reconstruction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 07/16/2008
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Exactly why are we in Afghanistan?

How long were the Russians in Afghanistan? And what was the outcome? Remember?

Here is yet another another black hole that will suck up our resources, kill our young people and leave us looking like idiots again.

Watch. This will be mixed up with the opium, and the mission will be expanded to eradicate the opium because of the supposed terrible it threat it poses.

All we need is to have the military take over the drug interdiction efforts. Then they will just be attacking our own citizens. You will wake up to US soldiers on your street corners, frisking you when want to leave your street.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 07/16/2008

We can not win if the liberals persist with their demoralizing talk of defeat all the time which is also demoralizing to the troops who do get wind of their depressing talk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 07/16/2008

BradPittsburgh
I belong to a very large group that will work very hard to see to it Mrs. Clin ton receives the nomination. Barry can not defeat the Republican nominee.
posted 07/12/2008 at 19:34:34

Run along, fraud

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 07/16/2008

Take your own advice, Blanche DuBois.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 07/16/2008
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Hard to believe the troops are that sensitive.

Wasn't that way when I was in the Army.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 07/16/2008
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Wow. Is it 2005 again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 07/16/2008
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I agree 100%. We should just define abandoning a base and running away as victory. And celebrate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 07/16/2008
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Yes Brad, why not show us how much you want victory be enlisting to serve in Iraq?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 07/16/2008
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John McCain :

"I will follow Osama Bin Laden to the gates of hell. But not in Pakistan. It's on the other side of the gates. That would be trespassing."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 07/16/2008
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Informative story in WashPost:

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates warned yesterday against the risk of a "creeping militarization" of U.S. foreign policy, saying the State Department should lead U.S. engagement with other countries, with the military playing a supporting role.

"We cannot kill or capture our way to victory" in the long-term campaign against terrorism, Gates said, arguing that military action should be subordinate to political and economic efforts to undermine extremism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 07/16/2008
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Well a fixed base close to OBL's home base is an inviting target if they put 200 fighters into an attack and were apparently able to suprise at least the outpost.. I feel the decision to abandon it at least temporarly is sound. Moving patrols should be a more difficult target.

Pakistan has OBL as the greatest cash cow he is worth billions in US dollars alive if he dies all of Pakistan will mourn. That part of the world always seems to play six angles at once.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 07/16/2008

No one was forced out of anywhere HP. Get your friggen facts straight. BTW, as bad and sad as it is that we lost nine servicemen in this event, we killed over half of the attackers, around 250.

Stop attempting to make this into some sort of mini"Tet" where the NVA and Kong were slaughtered in mass but the leftist media turned it into some sort of rout of US forces. It stinks to high heaven of leftist propaganda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 07/16/2008
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In Tet all the media did was point out the fallacy of the claim that there was a light at the end of the tunnel and that the enemy still was strong enough after all of the years of Westmoreland claiming success to launch a major offensive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 07/16/2008
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"leftist Propoganda." There's no such animal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 07/16/2008
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He said "the leftist media"... LOL. You nutjobs should know that we as the public are not falling for that one anymore, we're on to your little ruse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 07/16/2008
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UltraWrong: I participated in the Tet Offensive. Did you?
The NVA nearly pulled it off, and although they did not, it was still a victory to have penetrated so far, and to have inflicted so much damage.
It discredited Gen. Westmoreland, the senior U.S. military commander in Vietnam, who said the cities were safe.
The term is Viet Cong, with a “C.”
Since you have established your expertise on the subject, we can all put your comments in perspective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 07/16/2008
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"I know how to win a war." John McCain, 2008

Oh really? And tell us where you gained this knowledge..was it in the bottom 1% of the class you graduated in? Was it while you were chasing skirt, wrecking government planes and generally acting like central castings version of a 'Dr. Strangelove' character? Please don't try and explain that you aquired the knowledge while as a P.O.W. We feel bad for what you endured, but, you came home...alive. And started womanizing and found a hot, rich blonde and deserted your wife & children. And the GOP had the temerity to crucify Bill Clinton for his moral failings? Now thats rich. You've logged 10 hours in a combat zone, so I'm guessing you didn't learn how to win a war there. So how is it mr. McCain, that you can, after having been a victim of Americas last invasionary disaster, expect anyone in their right mind to think you can win this debacle? Just yesterday, you said that we should not focus on Afganistan and that Senator Obama was wrong to claim that the Taliban was centered there. And then? 9 more of our soldiers slaughtered in Afganistan. So, who gave you the plan to win? We're all waiting to hear this one, it should be good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 07/16/2008

SweetSydney
Say's the Jetta driver hoping to save a few hundred dollars over the course of a year.
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It is called being smart with money, Betty.

Something you would not understand. One actually has to HAVE money to understand.

Perhaps you should read "The Millionaire Next Door" Excellent book. One of the findings is that people with high net worths are more likely to have a Sears charge than a Neimans. That people with high net worths don't worry about what others think.

Warren Buffett drives a Buick, Betty. Still lives in the fairly modest house he and his wife built in the 1950s. Comfortable, but nothing elaborate.

Only frauds like your type has to try to prove anything through displays.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 07/16/2008
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How's that McClone gas tax holiday going? Everybody saving a bundle?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 07/16/2008
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I bet that creep shares a beat up truck with his wife - the same way they share the only computer they acquired from the local junk yard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 07/16/2008

You'd lose that bet.

Don't hate, emulate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 07/16/2008

He actually thought pointing out that I had bought a fuel-efficient car was some sort of insult.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 07/16/2008

Perhaps you should read "The Millionare Next Door" more closely.

It contends that said millionare is most likely to be a small business owner (like myself) rather than a hedge fund manager or a high-flying corporate executive.

O's tax policy would inordinately punish small business owners who, incidentally, overwhelmingly create the new jobs. O would hurt the very people he claims he wants to help. He'd seriously cripple new job growth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 07/16/2008

Nothing to say about the fact that the truly wealthy feel no need to display their wealth, I see.

Typical.

See Betty, that is where you slip up. You mention things that should only matter to you in an attempt to try and impress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 07/16/2008
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You're such a pathetic liar, on another occasion you confessed to not being in the top 3% that's been getting the handouts from BOOsh, that would include millionaires, dimwit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 07/16/2008
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Yeah, only 90% of Americans would pay less taxes under Obama's plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 07/16/2008
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Sounds like propaganda to me.

Why don't these "millionaires next door" pay their fair share of taxes? Instead they lend their support to the GOP so they can hoard even more money to pass on to their children. Children who contribute little or nothing back to society. How can any well reasoning millionaire live without need or want, who has more money than he could spend in ten lifetimes while their neighbors starve?

If you are trying to create sympathy for the well-to-do then you will need to charge that Sears card to the max to buy the whitewash necessary to cover the immoral disparity between rich and poor that exists in America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 07/16/2008
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