US abandons Afghan outpost where 9 troops died

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FISNIK ABRASHI | July 16, 2008 02:34 PM EST | AP

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U.S. soldiers walk to pass a makeshift bridge on a patrol in Parun, the capital of Nuristan province, east of Kabul, Afghanistan, on Saturday, July 12, 2008. An insurgent raid that penetrated an American outpost in eastern Afghanistan, killing nine soldiers, has deepened doubts about the U.S. military's effort to contain Islamic militants and keep locals on its side. (AP Photo)

KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. troops abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine of their comrades this week, officials said Wednesday, in another sign of the struggle facing foreign and Afghan security forces strung out along the mountainous border.

Elsewhere in the frontier region, NATO launched artillery and helicopter strikes in Pakistan after coming under insurgent rocket fire, officials said.

The violence is another indication of the growing strength of the Taliban-led insurgency, especially in Afghanistan's east, where the outpost near the village of Wanat was breached by militants on Sunday. Nine Americans were killed in the deadliest incident for U.S. forces in three years.

On Tuesday, the insurgents drove out the handful of police left behind to defend government offices in the village, but 50 more officers were deployed Wednesday and soon regained control, senior provincial police official Ghoolam Farouq said.

The militants retreated into the mountains, and village elders negotiated a truce between the two sides, Farouq said.

Omar Sami, spokesman for the Nuristan provincial governor, said American and Afghan soldiers left the base Tuesday.

NATO confirmed that the post, which lies amid precipitous mountains close to the Pakistan border, had been vacated while insisting that international and Afghan troops will "retain a strong presence in that area with patrolling and other means."

In Washington, Pentagon leaders said Wednesday they are looking for ways to send additional troops to Afghanistan this year, signaling an acceleration in what had been plans to shift forces there no earlier than next year.

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"I think that we are clearly working very hard to see if there are opportunities to send additional forces sooner rather than later," Defense Secretary Robert Gates told Pentagon reporters. But, he added that no final decisions or recommendations have been made.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who recently returned from meetings with commanders in Afghanistan, said they clearly want more troops.

"It's a tougher fight, it's a more complex fight, and they need more troops to have the long-term impact that we all want to have there," said Mullen, who also met last week with Pakistani leaders.

The Pentagon has been wrestling with how to provide what they say is a much needed military buildup in Afghanistan, while they still have 150,000 troops in Iraq.

The retreat from the eastern outpost will be considered a victory by the insurgents, and comes after a spate of security setbacks for President Hamid Karzai's government, including a spectacular Taliban jail break in the southern Kandahar province in June that freed about 900 inmates, and a spike in attacks alongside the border with Pakistan.

In response, Karzai has stepped up his rhetoric against neighboring Pakistan, whose lawless tribal areas adjacent to Afghanistan serve as sanctuaries for al-Qaida and other militants.

Karzai blames the attacks _ including suicide bombings and cross-border raids _ on Pakistan's intelligence service, alleging they are behind the insurgency in Afghanistan. Pakistan denies the charge saying Karzai is trying to create "an artificial crisis" to deflect attention from his own failings.

The accusations have pitched relations between these key U.S. allies to their lowest point since U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.

In other violence reported Wednesday, the U.S.-led coalition said eight civilians were killed when it called in airstrikes after one of its patrols came under attack in the country's west. The issue of civilian casualties has caused friction between the Afghan government and U.S. and NATO troops, and has weakened the popularity of the Western-backed Karzai.

In a separate statement, the coalition said another airstrike killed several militants after they attacked a joint U.S. and Afghan patrol in Kandahar province's Shah Wali district on Tuesday.

The governor of Kandahar said eight militants were killed during an operation in the southern province's Khakrez district in the past two days. A regional Taliban commander, Mullah Mahmoud, who controlled about 250 fighters, was among those killed, a NATO statement said.

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Associated Press writers Amir Shah in Kabul and Noor Khan in Kandahar and Lolita C. Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. troops abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine of their comrades this week, officials said Wednesday, in another sign of the strug...
KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. troops abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine of their comrades this week, officials said Wednesday, in another sign of the strug...
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- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Feb 20, 2008:

"Sen. John McCain of Arizona, close to clinching the GOP nomination, called Sen. Barack Obama 'naive' today and...blasted him for advocating a bombing of Al Qaeda hide-outs in Pakistan," the Los Angeles Times reports.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/20/mccain-obama-battle-over_n_87591.html?page=6

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 07/16/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 619 fans permalink
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Righties are no different than the Manson Family, blind followers each and every one. The economy is wonderful, we are winning in Iraq, Saddam worse than Hitler, Tree huggers are the cause of high gas prices., on and freaking on. Stepford clones live amongst us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 07/16/2008
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While clinging to their pink slips.....­..........­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 07/16/2008

Roberta : ... While dauvening at the feet of a complete 'Swipe, the likes of Flush Rimbowl !

( Must bring them back to their frat days... Hugging the toilet, date rape, midnight initiations, circle jerks, etc. ... )


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 07/16/2008
- LouisPWu I'm a Fan of LouisPWu 4 fans permalink

Things are going so well in Afghanistan. Things are going so well in Iraq. Thank you, George W. Bush for your .... leadership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 07/16/2008

Amoeba, TonyaHarding, SweetCaroline...

To all of you who so love a good war, and just want to b o m b , b o m b , b o m b , k i l l , k i l l , k i l l ... have any of you ever been in an armed conflict?

And I don't mean shooting at beer cans amoeba.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 07/16/2008
- NoBo08 I'm a Fan of NoBo08 3 fans permalink

No sane person loves war. In answer to your question, yes. Have you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 07/16/2008

Yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 07/16/2008
- bertloc2 I'm a Fan of bertloc2 3 fans permalink

I don't understand this...

"No sane person Loves War"

I dig where you are coming from, but in this case, The Military Channel proves you wrong. Their ratings are great, and there's no better family entertainment on TV than watching pumped up guys in commando gear and face paint blowing the snot out of plastic mannikins representing bad guys and/or other people in the neighborhood.

I hope you don't have a problem with Time Warner Cable, in which case I have to seriously doubt your conviction to the conservative cause...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 07/16/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 619 fans permalink
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A lead pipe cinch none of them have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 07/16/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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Ever notice the compulsion for the most vile people to have the need to put words like "Sweet" and "Love" in their usernames? That's all they've got left, I guess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 07/16/2008
- NotWaldo I'm a Fan of NotWaldo 44 fans permalink
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They choose names revealing WHAT THEY ARE NOT!

NotWaldo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 07/16/2008

"Meanwhile, back in Iraq..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 07/16/2008

Bu$h: “Working with a fine coalition, our military went to Afghanistan, destroyed the training camps of Al Qaida, and put the Taliban out of business forever.” [11/24/03]

Bu$h: “Because of American soldiers and our brave allies and friends, who have fought beside them, the Taliban is out of business.” [3/15/02]

Bu$h: “Our first objective in the first theater against the war against terror has been achieved: The Taliban are out of business.” [2/4/02]

Bu$h: “Now thanks to the United States and our fine allies, Afghanistan is no longer a haven for terror, the Taliban is history, and the Afghan people are free.” [8/14/03]

Bu$h: “Today, Afghanistan is a world away from the nightmare of the Taliban.” [7/12/04]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 07/16/2008
- NoBo08 I'm a Fan of NoBo08 3 fans permalink

All true! Your point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 07/16/2008
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All lies---just like your comments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 07/16/2008

If the Taliban is history, how did they attack the U.S. base?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 07/16/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 116 fans permalink
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"Taliban out of business forever" is true?

Then who's causing all that trouble?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 07/16/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 116 fans permalink
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Much like how he defended his "darn good intelligence" that he based his Iraq war on.

"No doubt in my mind" he said.

"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." - D. Quayle

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 07/16/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1566 fans permalink
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U.S. is the mightiest nation ever. Since, after six plus years of fighting, we still have not defeated those Taliban on horsebacks, one of the following must be true:

1. Our soldiers don't know how to fight.
2. We have a lousy Commander-in-Chief.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 07/16/2008
- TrueIndy08 I'm a Fan of TrueIndy08 31 fans permalink

I go with pick #2....

Our troops deserve respect... he doesn't!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 07/16/2008
- bertloc2 I'm a Fan of bertloc2 3 fans permalink

Nice try, but you forgot the real reason.

The Taliban are Liberals.

And like all Liberal infestations, they are difficult to eradicate because they don't fight fair.

If the situation was reversed and we were leading the Taliban, we wouldn't hide in caves like girly-man crybaby libtoons. We'd mount our trusty steeds and charge headlong in to the most high tech killing devices that have ever been devised....

It would be totally cool, and would make just the kind of movie Bruce Willis would want to star in !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 07/16/2008

you're actually not that funny you know...

Just a heads up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 07/16/2008

Hume...

Since the US Army is one of the best trained fighting forces in the world and are courageous above reproach. It must be Point 2 at issue. You would have been even more exact had you noted him as the "Chimp-in-Chief".

But we need to remember that the Afganis fought off the Soviet Union for 10 years and finally drove them out. Even though they were being supplied arms by the US, the Afgan terrain is one of the worst imaginable to fight a war in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 07/16/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 234 fans permalink

2. We have a lousy Commander-In-Chief ... that's it and, the ignorance of Afghan was done in order to allow big oil to set-up shop first in Iraq, for American companies to become more stabilized for the profiteering. All while Taliban reorganized, al Qaida reorganized and Ben Ladin is still at-large! Oil $$$ was the mission in Iraq!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 07/16/2008

Or:
(3) Armchair generals know nothing from reading incomplete news accounts and try to turn everything remotely negative into some sort of political rant.

-As a veteran of the US Army (and of Afghanistan), I can tell you that your two reasons are not true and my #3 probably hits the mark. The engagement that this article talks about is not the "war" and was a minor skirmish in a very remote (and hostile) region where we killed about 90 of the "bad guys" with losses of 15 on our side. The fact that we withdrew from this outpost can be because of a variety of circumstances including:
-the defensive position was damaged enough that it became a danger to soldiers manning the position
-we are falling back in order to lull them into those positions to ambush or counter with heavier weapons

Given my experience, it is more likely a combination based on what we did over there years ago. You have to know that these outposts are little more than earthen outposts made of sandbags and any sort of rocks available. These are not elaborate "forts" or something that you guys dream up from watching too much TV. These are not positions that matter and we used to use the media (just like this) to bait them into coming down out of the mountains a little bit further and then ambushing them killing a lot more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 07/16/2008
- NoBo08 I'm a Fan of NoBo08 3 fans permalink

Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 07/16/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1566 fans permalink
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Yeah, yeah. But tell me why we can't defeat the f*cking Taliban after six years. Don't give us excuses.

For God's sake, it is not the old Soviet Union we are fighting. These guys don't even have proper shoes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 07/16/2008
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Why did you include your IQ in your screen name?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 07/16/2008

That is one hell of a rationale. Gonna kill em all huh? Dream on, if the russians couldn't do it with scorched earth what are we gonna do, win their hearts and minds? Rotsa ruck GI.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 07/16/2008
- Kevbo68 I'm a Fan of Kevbo68 6 fans permalink
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We've turning the corner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 07/16/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 105 fans permalink
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....in a circular room.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 07/16/2008
- NotWaldo I'm a Fan of NotWaldo 44 fans permalink
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Barack Obama (october 2, 2002) :

"I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars."


John McWrong :

"I think the victory will be rapid, within about three weeks." (january 28, 2003)

"It's clear that the end is very much in sight...It won't be long. It, it'll be a fairly short period of time." (April 9, 2003).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 07/16/2008
- NoBo08 I'm a Fan of NoBo08 3 fans permalink

McCain was right. War in Iraq has been over for years. What we have been doing since is a police action.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 07/16/2008
- Jeff1958 I'm a Fan of Jeff1958 41 fans permalink
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So, when does the police action end? And why does no one in the D'ubya administration refer to it as a police action?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 07/16/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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From Time:

Even before Barack Obama says a word upon his arrival in Israel next week, close observers of America's role in the region will get a message from the presence in his delegation of a tall, slightly disheveled diplomat well known to the power players of the Middle East. In a region where simple words and gestures can be taken as weighty indicators of intent, Arabs and Israelis alike will see much meaning in the return of Dennis Ross.

In one way, the message is simple: Ross, a career foreign service officer, was lead negotiator on Israeli-Palestinian issues for Presidents George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton, and he got the two sides as close as they've come to a peace deal before stepping down after the 2000 election. His presence alongside Obama in Israel, the Palestinian territories and Jordan is designed to signal the senator's intent to resume the active pursuit of the peace process, which Obama claims President George W. Bush has derailed through inaction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 07/16/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

So what did they all die for?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 07/16/2008

DeeDee seems more bitter than usual today.

Pink slip must be on the way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 07/16/2008
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The one from La Perla? He should feel better once it arrives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 07/16/2008

Loehmann's

DeeDee, like the others, isn't really rich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 07/16/2008

wow! the most powerful military in the world-- running. it's time to attack pakistan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 07/16/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 94 fans permalink

And how long have you been running PAST the recruiting sites? All mouth and no action don't speak highly of one who is sitting back here comfy and snug like a bug in a rug.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 07/16/2008
- adl I'm a Fan of adl 6 fans permalink

ebanks84, how do you know southafrica4obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 07/16/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 105 fans permalink
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The military would not have put up with me when I was the appropriate age. I was too likely to question authority. I don't encourage my daughter to join because I don't like the civilian leadership of the military these days. Bush and Company do not value her life as I do. The way our soldiers are treated -- stop loss measures, long stays in the war zone without sufficient time off, treatment of wounded soldiers and veterans -- is appalling. Also, I don't agree with putting females in harms way. A society which allows its women to be maimed and killed while privileged males stay at home is a sick society.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 07/16/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

Military Effort Underway Along Pakistan And Afghanistan Border
Published by AJStrata at 9:34 am 15 Jul 2008

"A build up of Western coalition forces on the Afghan border spread alarm on Tuesday among villagers in the Pakistani tribal region of North Waziristan, a known stronghold of Taliban and al Qaeda militants.

The deployment will add to a mounting sense of foreboding in Pakistan that U.S. ground troops could be ordered into Pakistan on covert missions or hot pursuit to eliminate militants fuelling an insurgency in Afghanistan that appears stronger than ever"

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5665

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 07/16/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 116 fans permalink
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...U.S. ground troops could be ordered into Pakistan on covert missions or hot pursuit to eliminate militants fuelling an insurgency in Afghanistan that appears stronger than ever"

That would be so O bama-like.

But when he suggested it he was ridiculed as being naive on foreign policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 07/16/2008
- NoBo08 I'm a Fan of NoBo08 3 fans permalink

You think they have not been doing just that for a long time? Barry likes to suggest the obvious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 07/16/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Wow, so basically, W is now endorsing and carrying out 0bama's policies. Great news.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 07/16/2008
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He is sending someone to meet with Eyeranian terrorists now.

Boosh has endorsed O.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 07/16/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1566 fans permalink
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Shouldn't this have been happening like six years ago? Did someone forget to tell the troops when we sent them there that their job was to win this thing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 07/16/2008
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