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FISNIK ABRASHI | July 16, 2008 02:34 PM EST | AP

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U.S. soldiers walk to pass a makeshift bridge on a patrol in Parun, the capital of Nuristan province, east of Kabul, Afghanistan, on Saturday, July 12, 2008. An insurgent raid that penetrated an American outpost in eastern Afghanistan, killing nine soldiers, has deepened doubts about the U.S. military's effort to contain Islamic militants and keep locals on its side. (AP Photo)

KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. troops abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine of their comrades this week, officials said Wednesday, in another sign of the struggle facing foreign and Afghan security forces strung out along the mountainous border.

Elsewhere in the frontier region, NATO launched artillery and helicopter strikes in Pakistan after coming under insurgent rocket fire, officials said.

The violence is another indication of the growing strength of the Taliban-led insurgency, especially in Afghanistan's east, where the outpost near the village of Wanat was breached by militants on Sunday. Nine Americans were killed in the deadliest incident for U.S. forces in three years.

On Tuesday, the insurgents drove out the handful of police left behind to defend government offices in the village, but 50 more officers were deployed Wednesday and soon regained control, senior provincial police official Ghoolam Farouq said.

The militants retreated into the mountains, and village elders negotiated a truce between the two sides, Farouq said.

Omar Sami, spokesman for the Nuristan provincial governor, said American and Afghan soldiers left the base Tuesday.

NATO confirmed that the post, which lies amid precipitous mountains close to the Pakistan border, had been vacated while insisting that international and Afghan troops will "retain a strong presence in that area with patrolling and other means."

In Washington, Pentagon leaders said Wednesday they are looking for ways to send additional troops to Afghanistan this year, signaling an acceleration in what had been plans to shift forces there no earlier than next year.

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"I think that we are clearly working very hard to see if there are opportunities to send additional forces sooner rather than later," Defense Secretary Robert Gates told Pentagon reporters. But, he added that no final decisions or recommendations have been made.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who recently returned from meetings with commanders in Afghanistan, said they clearly want more troops.

"It's a tougher fight, it's a more complex fight, and they need more troops to have the long-term impact that we all want to have there," said Mullen, who also met last week with Pakistani leaders.

The Pentagon has been wrestling with how to provide what they say is a much needed military buildup in Afghanistan, while they still have 150,000 troops in Iraq.

The retreat from the eastern outpost will be considered a victory by the insurgents, and comes after a spate of security setbacks for President Hamid Karzai's government, including a spectacular Taliban jail break in the southern Kandahar province in June that freed about 900 inmates, and a spike in attacks alongside the border with Pakistan.

In response, Karzai has stepped up his rhetoric against neighboring Pakistan, whose lawless tribal areas adjacent to Afghanistan serve as sanctuaries for al-Qaida and other militants.

Karzai blames the attacks _ including suicide bombings and cross-border raids _ on Pakistan's intelligence service, alleging they are behind the insurgency in Afghanistan. Pakistan denies the charge saying Karzai is trying to create "an artificial crisis" to deflect attention from his own failings.

The accusations have pitched relations between these key U.S. allies to their lowest point since U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.

In other violence reported Wednesday, the U.S.-led coalition said eight civilians were killed when it called in airstrikes after one of its patrols came under attack in the country's west. The issue of civilian casualties has caused friction between the Afghan government and U.S. and NATO troops, and has weakened the popularity of the Western-backed Karzai.

In a separate statement, the coalition said another airstrike killed several militants after they attacked a joint U.S. and Afghan patrol in Kandahar province's Shah Wali district on Tuesday.

The governor of Kandahar said eight militants were killed during an operation in the southern province's Khakrez district in the past two days. A regional Taliban commander, Mullah Mahmoud, who controlled about 250 fighters, was among those killed, a NATO statement said.

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Associated Press writers Amir Shah in Kabul and Noor Khan in Kandahar and Lolita C. Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. troops abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine of their comrades this week, officials said Wednesday, in another sign of the strug...
KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. troops abandoned a remote outpost in eastern Afghanistan where militants killed nine of their comrades this week, officials said Wednesday, in another sign of the strug...
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You have no business ( apart from securing this oil pipeline ) in Afghanistan. Unless you bomb every inch to dust you will fail like the Russians. More money you don't have down the drain and more hatred for America from the rest of the world. The Taliban have a stronghold within the Afghan population, how are you going to fight that? Looks like Iraq reloaded. NATO forces now in Afghanistan are just a smoke screen for not participating in the Iraq desaster.

And it would not look better if your new president is Obama. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, smarter but not smart enough when he talks of switching forces to Afghanistan. Terrrorism can NEVER be fought with an army or an invasion. As long as you dont' get this, more losses, more failures and maybe the last nail to the coffin what was once America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 07/16/2008
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Bush sent someone to meet with Eyeranian terrists. I thought he said Eyeran was like Hitler/Nazi Germany or something?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 07/16/2008
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Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates warned yesterday against the risk of a "creeping militarization" of U.S. foreign policy, saying the State Department should lead U.S. engagement with other countries, with the military playing a supporting role.

"We cannot kill or capture our way to victory" in the long-term campaign against terrorism, Gates said, arguing that military action should be subordinate to political and economic efforts to undermine extremism.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/15/AR2008071502777.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 07/16/2008

I received an urgent message about a secret press conference Oh Bah Ma will hold later this week...

Oh Bah Ma: "The Taliban is such a mortal and immediate threat to the US mainland that we must escalate our involvement there as soon as possible. Saddam Hussein was never a threat to the US mainland, and our blunder in Iraq has allowed patches of Taliban in remote provinces of Afghanistan to become an eminent threat to your home town. And, oh yeah, it's all Mc Ca in's fault. Oh Bah Ma '08!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 07/16/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1658 fans permalink
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You are so cute. Don't tell me that you wrote all that funny stuff all by yourself. Do you also like to draw with crayons?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 07/16/2008

Probably holds the crayons with its feet, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 07/16/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 125 fans permalink

Maybe the Taliban reads HuffPo and know exactly who they can contact now to get some more jokes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 07/16/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 343 fans permalink
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Willfully ignoring the realities of the situation for a little political snarking I see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 07/16/2008
- Mojane I'm a Fan of Mojane 11 fans permalink

Submit you resume to Fox News. When you "quote" someone, i.e. Their Name, then a colon, then quotation marks around the quote, you're citing what this person actually said, vertatim. Now, see if you can find an actual quote and then put it out there. In the meantime, pay attention to what's really said and figure out what it really means.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 07/16/2008
- Mojane I'm a Fan of Mojane 11 fans permalink

Submit your resume to Fox News. When you "quote" someone, i.e. Their Name, then a colon, then quotation marks around the quote, you're citing what this person actually said, vertatim. Now, see if you can find an actual quote and then put it out there. In the meantime, pay attention to what's really said and figure out what it really means.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 07/16/2008
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The surge is working!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 07/16/2008
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Barry hasn't started the surge in Afghanistan yet>

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 07/16/2008
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Barry! Do you really want a president named Barry?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 07/16/2008
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CLARIFICATION: I was being facetious. The so-called "surge" is a marketing campaign, period. It sounds like one of Frank Luntz's evil, twisted brain droppings, like "enhanced interrogation techniques."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 07/16/2008
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Good. Now, what was the point of the surge? That is the question. Are we staying there or leaving? If we stay, what is the reason? Oil? Occupation for military power? Iraq wants us to set up a timetable to leave. They don't want a permanent presence there. If they are to be a democracy, we must respect their choice. The Republicans have no intention of giving up the territory they think they won.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 07/16/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

I smell an OCTOBER SURPRISE.........eh? NATO massing on the Pakistani border, CJCS visits Pakistan, an envoy to IRAN. Excellent!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 07/16/2008

Nah.. I think you just forgot to shower today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 07/16/2008
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Don't worry. You can always cross the border and go hide in India, AmmoHaji , er, Ammobob.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 07/16/2008
- BhunduBoy I'm a Fan of BhunduBoy 5 fans permalink

US troops should be forced out of Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 07/16/2008

Go join the Taliban , then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 07/16/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 125 fans permalink

Quick, fast, and in a major hurry :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 07/16/2008

I'm guessing a Green, a Naderite or perhaps Dennis Kucinich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 07/16/2008

Sydney? Tonya? here's your cue...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 07/16/2008
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Who writes this stuff? Do they simply not have command of simple math? Let me offer this simple assist:

"...Islamic militants appear to be gaining strength nearly eight years after the ouster of the Taliban..."

9/11/01 America is attacked.

10/01 Americans begin offensive operations to oust the Taliban.

7/08 Americans driven from base in East Afghanistan

My math says this is LESS THAN 7 years, not anywhere close to "nearly eight years."

Sheesh. Fact checking has become irrelevant in today's MSM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 07/16/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 125 fans permalink

The point is Afghanistan and you're worring about dates? Give us a break!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 07/16/2008
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The point is the lack of accurate reporting. Can we believe anything anymore?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 07/16/2008
- Megaflow I'm a Fan of Megaflow 3 fans permalink

I don't think it's too much to ask, as a bare minimum, for correct facts in a news story, do you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 07/16/2008
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Looks like R-ush put in calls to the men's rooms, the trolls are here in force...........

"Stop that tapping and get on HP, now!"
R-ush

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/16/2008
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LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/16/2008

Rush is to the right what Keith is to the left both speak with forked tongue in order to enrich their own life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 07/16/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 125 fans permalink

If you don't believe either one, then why do you listen?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 07/16/2008
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Keith isn't carrying water for things he doesn't believe.

Rush admits that he is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 07/16/2008
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You are comparing apples to hemlock.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 07/16/2008
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Too funny. They are here and they are queer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 07/16/2008

A war in Afghanistan would give the liberals purpose because they felt left out in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/16/2008
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Unlike Iraq, there is a purpose in a war in Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 07/16/2008
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Besides killing civilians and OIL what purpose is there in occupying Iraq?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 07/16/2008

BradPittsburgh
I belong to a very large group that will work very hard to see to it Mrs. Clinton receives the nomination. Barry can not defeat the Republican nominee.
posted 07/12/2008 at 19:34:34

Run along, fraud

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 07/16/2008

BradPittsburgh
I belong to a very large group that will work very hard to see to it Mrs. Clin ton receives the nomination. Barry can not defeat the Republican nominee.
posted 07/12/2008 at 19:34:34

Run along, fraud

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 07/16/2008
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While I resent the implications in bradpittie's comments...your's are even scarier...hippievolvo. You will guarentee that the decaying old man will win and then what. His VP will be what we are left with and then what. Selfish crap like you want to do with the nomination is insane. But Pittie...I did not feel left out in Iraq..I felt betrayed and dirty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 07/16/2008
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I don't believe you...

Not that you support Hillary, but that it's a very large group.

What's your plan for after Obama wins and both parties turn their backs on you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 07/16/2008
- NoBo08 I'm a Fan of NoBo08 3 fans permalink

I find it very interesting how liberals seem to relish bad news when conservatives are in power. You would almost think they want bad things to happen to the US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 07/16/2008
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Gee, you are the 100th troll to post that exact line today, all tiny minds think alike ? or did you get your marching orders ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 07/16/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 125 fans permalink

You guys need to jump off the "liberals are all screwed" bandwagon and face reality. We are ALL SCREWED from the brainwashing we have received in the last 8 years alone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 07/16/2008

It is just that there always IS bad news when conservatives are in power.

Nothing more to discuss that the bad news.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 07/16/2008
- NoBo08 I'm a Fan of NoBo08 3 fans permalink

You really should expand your reading to include other than left wing rags.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 07/16/2008

If they only relished good news, they'd starve to death.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 07/16/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

Man, cleaning out these despots and theocracies is getting complicated. Reshaping the world to fit our way of life is expensive, too. Afghanistan, Iraq, maybe Iran, then Syria..........wow, too many missions and not enuff time.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 07/16/2008
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Must be why Washington issued the warning against foreign entanglements.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 07/16/2008

They enlist, you pant load.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/16/2008
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Thank God we get a chance to see our own despot leave office on Jan. 9.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 07/16/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

Actually isn't that the 20th?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 07/16/2008

Why don't we start with our American despot George Bush? Let the rest of the world worry about the others for now since ours is the biggest problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 07/16/2008
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Hey, the Ruskies gave it a shot - why not the USA? Why not?
February 5, 1989
The last Soviet troops leave Kabul
In an important move signaling the close of the nearly decade-long Soviet military intervention in Afghanistan, the last Russian troops withdraw from the capital city of Kabul. Less than two weeks later, all Soviet troops departed Afghanistan entirely, ending what many observers referred to as Russia's "Vietnam."
Soviet armed forces entered Afghanistan in December 1979 to support that nation's pro-Soviet communist government in its battles with Muslim rebels. Almost immediately, the Soviet Union found itself mired in a rapidly escalating conflict. Afghan rebels put up unexpectedly stiff resistance to the Russian intervention. Soon, thousands of Soviet troops were fighting a bloody, costly, and ultimately frustrating battle to end the Afghan resistance. By the time the Soviets started to withdraw in early 1989, over 13,000 Russian soldiers were dead and over 22,000 had been wounded. The Soviet Union also suffered from a very negative diplomatic response from the United States--President Jimmy Carter put a hold on arms negotiations, asked for economic sanctions, and pressed for an American boycott of the 1980 Olympics in Moscow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 07/16/2008
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Of course all the limp wristed Neocons and McCranky himself respond to going after these scumbags with whimpering about Pakistan and it's precious sovereignty, wah wah wah. This is what you get when our troops are playing neighborhood beat cop in Iraq. This is a disgrace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 07/16/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

All the LEFTY handwringing at this site over IRAQ in now projected into potential Afghanistan operations.

Both candidates have called for expanded operations to include more ground troops. Both candidates have hinted at actions across the border into Pakistan, thus widening the war. How will the new government in Pakistan react? Did the CJCS brief the new Pakistani leadership of our intentions? Or did he solicit their help? OR both?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 07/16/2008
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Are you a Pakistani? You seem very nervous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 07/16/2008
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He's a Taliban. Many of the Taliban have joined the Republican party to promote the US staying in Iraq as it has and continues to help their re-taking of Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 07/16/2008

Are you an American?

You seem very anti-American.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 07/16/2008

We should have thought about Pakistan in all the years we were supporting a series of military dictators.

If you would READ, littlebullet, you would find that hunting for bin Laden in Pakistan was vetoed by your Lord & Chimperor's friend, Mushy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 07/16/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

What's your point? Now, is as good a time as any, isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 07/16/2008

This proves the greatness of Barack Obama. While the Iraq War divided us, the Afghanistan War will once again unite us. We Americans now know our enemy and we can kill with honor and glory. Barack truly understands the hearts of Americans and what cheers their inner self.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 07/16/2008
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Shouldn't you be picketing the W White House?

W is sending a high level diplomat to Iran. This may get in the way of your fervent hope of attacking that country. What if they reach accord! Criminy!

Why isn't it "appeasement" when a conservative does it? Because your "foreign policy" is a purely political construct?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 07/16/2008

Another trap laid by W.

Sending a high level diplomat to Iran is the equivalent of patiently working through the UN pre-Iraq invasion.

He's appeasing all right. He's appeasing the left by giving them what they asked to demonstrate the emptiness of their rhetoric.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 07/16/2008
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Yes. In McCains magical world, we are going to be able to send troops into Afghanistan, without dropping troop levels in Iraq.

Then again, McCain has admitted that he has problems with math.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 07/16/2008
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We have the mightiest military force in the history of the world. We spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined. And after more than six years, we can't defeat the f*cking Taliban on horsebacks?

This is embarrassing. Any other country would have fired the Commander-in-Chief long time ago.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 07/16/2008
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A remote outpost! Have you ever been to a remote outpost? Get real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 07/16/2008
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Tell us all about your long military history in remote outposts, chickenhawk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 07/16/2008
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We are at a remote outpost for more than six years?

Get real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/16/2008

You've probably worked several.

Giving "comfort" to the troops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 07/16/2008
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No kidding !

I've been in some pretty remote places, and unless you've been there, you have no reason to talk....

Like that time I was in Cleveland, for instance....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 07/16/2008

Did you leave out the word 'at' between the word 'fired' and the word 'the'?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/16/2008

The problem is that your sentiment is the same one that doomed the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, the assertion that military might automatically means victory. The Taliban have been reading their history and know one thing we taught them way back in the American Revolution (and even Vietnam), the best way to fight a better armed, larger force (Britain in the American Revolution, us in Vietnam) is to use guerilla tactics and have patience.

It doesn't surprise me that we are having trouble routing the Taliban in Afghanistan, They are a battle hardened guerilla force with close to 2 decades experience fighting larger and better equipped forces. Hell, they helped put the nail in the coffin of the Soviet Union.

However, I do think it is possible to beat the Taliban, but it may come at a cost we don't want to pay. It will end up having to be another attrition based war where we have to send lots of small groups of soldiers out to "hunt down" the Taliban. This is bloody and a lot of soldiers may die, but at this point is anyone convinced the latest UCAV or fancy tank is really gonna end this? I would rather commanders pull back the military presence and start to use "other" means to beat the Taliban (spies/assasins to kill their leaders, bribes, cutting off their supply and money arteries).

I wish our commanders had headed the lessons of the Soviets a little better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 07/16/2008
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It's on the ground ... the grounds where waring militia factions "know" the terrain! They held that terrain against the Russians ... it's gonna be tuff for our military too!! Should have been the initial military focus as O said from the beginning!! Now, we got our work to do ... it's gonna be tuff!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 07/16/2008
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