Oil Markets: Bottoming Out Or Just Taking A Breather?

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ADAM SCHRECK | July 17, 2008 05:12 PM EST | AP

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NEW YORK — Oil prices tumbled below $130 a barrel for the first time in more than a month Thursday, as crude's dramatic slide entered a third day accompanied by a sharp sell-off in natural gas.

The declines accelerated amid growing concerns that the weakening economy and creeping inflation are eroding demand for fossil fuels in the U.S. and other large energy-consuming nations.

Oil is now more than 10 percent cheaper per barrel than it was on Monday; natural gas prices are down more than 20 percent just since the Fourth of July. Still, experts are not convinced that prices have turned a corner.

"There's no bell that tells you when the market has turned," said James Cordier, president of Tampa, Fla.-based trading firms Liberty Trading Group and OptionSellers.com.

Light, sweet crude for August delivery dropped $5.31 to settle at $129.29 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Prices have fallen nearly $16 in just the past three days.

Natural gas futures for August delivery fell more than 8 percent Thursday, marking their biggest one-day drop in nearly a year, according to Nathan Golz, researcher at Wachovia Securities in St. Louis. Prices for the key heating, cooking and power generation fuel settled 86.1 cents lower at $10.537, their lowest point since April.

A number of market observers say there simply wasn't enough support for the recent run up in natural gas prices, and that this week's sell-off of oil has only helped speed the declines.

"Any time oil goes up or down on Nymex, it's going to have a carry-over effect on natural gas," said Michael Rieke, senior managing editor for power and gas at energy research firm Platts.

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The immediate cause of Thursday's sharp natural gas decline was a larger-than-expected increase of U.S. supplies.

The Energy Department's Energy Information Administration said in its weekly report that natural gas inventories rose by 104 billion cubic feet to more than 2.31 trillion last week. Analysts had been expecting supplies to grow by only 86 billion to 91 billion cubic feet, according to a Platts survey.

A similar report Wednesday showed oil, gasoline and other fuel supplies unexpectedly rose sharply. Traders saw both the petroleum and natural gas reports as reasons to sell, as they reinforce data that show consumers are cutting back on their energy use.

"We're seeing some worries about demand destruction in oil, so I think that's creating some fear among investors and leading them to sell," said Tom Pawlicki, commodities analyst with MF Global Research in Chicago.

Some market observers have said last Friday's record above $147 a barrel could represent a peak price for oil, at least for the time being. But like a number of others, Pawlicki was reluctant to say whether the market's latest swoon represented a lasting shift.

"I think it's too early to call a top to this market," Pawlicki said.

Crude's drop weighed heavily on other commodities Thursday, with gold, silver, soybeans, corn and other agriculture futures all ending sharply lower.

Stocks rallied for the second day. That fueled speculation among some analysts that large investors are pulling money out of oil and other commodities _ which had been seen as safe havens given the financial turmoil of the past year _ and pumping it back into the beaten-down stock market.

Reports of a pre-dawn explosion that damaged an oil pipeline in Nigeria's restive south _ the sort of threat to supply that has helped fuel crude's recent rally _ did little to prop up prices Thursday.

A Nigerian military official said the blast on a pipeline owned by Agip, a subsidiary of the Italian energy giant Eni SpA, "affected output," although he did not say by how much.

Col. Chris Musa, head of the Bayelsa State military, also did not say how severe the damage was, and declined to comment on what might have caused the explosion. The company said a sudden drop in pressure led it to halt production on pipelines carrying 47,000 barrels of oil a day.

Attacks on oil industry infrastructure in the past two years have slashed oil output by almost a quarter in Nigeria, Africa's top crude producer.

At the gas pump, prices held steady at a record $4.114 a gallon, according to auto club AAA, the Oil Price Information Service and Wright Express. Diesel rose to a new record of $4.845, up more than half a penny.

In other Nymex trade, heating oil fell 9.72 cents to settle at $3.7438 a gallon, while gasoline futures fell 11.61 cents to settle at $3.1633.

Brent crude for September delivery fell $5.12 to settle at $131.07 on the ICE Futures Exchange in London.

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Associated Press Writers William Nsoyoh in Yenagoa, Nigeria, and Stevenson Jacobs in New York contributed to this report.

 
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Now with this said, what is the reason for the excessive spike in Crude and Natural Gas prices? GREED.
In the 60"s gas sold for 35 cents a gallon, cars got 5 to 7 MPG so a 100 mile trip would take some 16 gallons at a cost of 5 dollars. Today cars get 30 miles to a gallon and that same trip would only take 3 gallons of gas at a cost of 12 dollars.

The United States of America is sitting on the worlds largest coal reserves; it also has more crude oil than the Middle East. Recent finds in Montana exceed what is found in Saudi Arabia, and Pennsylvania has over 3 trillion cubic feet of Natural Gas yet to be pumped into the system. Alaska has extensive reserves yet CONGRESS has for years REFUSED to allow the release of this oil, because of RED TAPE and that they are under the control of ENVIRONMENTALIST groups. These groups want all Americans to ride bikes and live as the settlers did in the 1800. Congress continues to LIE regarding the time it takes to drill a well and get the oil into the system. They state that it would be ten years before wells drilled today could produce oil. This is a BOLD FACE LIE.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 07/22/2008





NBFD GM will be taken over by Renault


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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 07/18/2008

Let's hope not. Renault makes Hasbor look like a car maufacturer. Seriosuly, Renault Citreon and Fiat have to be the world's worst quality cars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 07/18/2008

GM designed the hybrid technology that runs the Prius. One GM executive said that American would not buy a Hybrid car, but they would buy Hummers by the boat load. This is why we can not bail out Corporations. When you hire someone's stupid son and put him in a position where he can do damage, then you get what you deserve as far as I'm concerned. So if Renault wants to spend their Euros to purchase the new devalued GM I say go ahead, I couldn't care less

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 07/19/2008
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IT'S JULY THE HEAVY TRADERS ARE ON VACTION!!!!!!!!!

WHEN THEY RETURN THE PUMP AND DUMP OF OIL FURTURES WILL BEGIN AGAIN!!!!!!!!

THE SEC HAS HAD IT'S BUDGET CUT 2 YEARS IN A ROW BY BUSH TO STOP THE SEC FROM ENFORCING REGULATIONS!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 07/18/2008

Since when is a move below $130 a barrel a "tumble" ?

When it falls back to $40 a barrel, that's a tumble. This is just a slight market correction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 07/18/2008

Let's wait for the time of year when people are buying heating oil. If it still keeps falling by then, I will be impressed.

Having said that, $4/gallon seems to have made an impact on America and the Chinese are somewhat cutting back, too. There is hope (not for much cheaper oil but for sanity).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 07/18/2008

i responded to your comments on: energy crises or transportaion crises


volatility has been the name of the game for four years at least
but i guess most people have short term memories
nothing gets into long term now a days

the price can go up
or it can go down
even way down
but the overall trend from year to year is up

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 07/18/2008

I am not expecting the price to go down substantially. I am more interested to see if we can still find a summer-winter pattern in the price data as usual or the instability will swamp even that pattern. I have a bet with a colleague that oil will go above $200 before it goes below $80. I would be very surprised if I lost that one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 07/18/2008
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It could be--though perhaps unlikely--that this is something of an economy-wide contraction; notice that "demand destruction" was sited in the article as a prime element of the fall in oil prices [and I'm sure the report on US supplies didn't help either].

A real and sustained economy-wide contraction would be very painful for many [as it would likely have a detrimental effect on small businesses and unemployment figures], but would ease the pain a bit for those still gainfully employed; those businesses with enough reserves and staying power would likely reign in prices as much as possible to stay competitive, which would obviously benefit consumers. And obviously we could all do with a break on fuel prices.

But all of that is probably wishful thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 07/18/2008

Donal Trump was on CNBC claiming that there is no oil shortage and that loaded oil tankers are on the high seas heading for destinations and that Iranian oil is awaiting customers. His remarks critized the oil industry from speculators to executives into believing that supply and demand is causing the problem. DID anyone else hear his comments?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 07/18/2008

yep
'cause donald trump is such a fabulous expert in the field of petroleum geology
so i take everything he says about energy
very, very seriously

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 07/18/2008

Nobody said that was an oil shortage. Did you notice gas stations without gas? But that's at a price of $140/barrel. There would not be enough oil to satisfy demand at $25/barrel. It's simply economics 101. If Donald Trump wants to trump that on tv, and you think there is anything special to it, go for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 07/18/2008

Nova16
Shortage and higher Demand are not the same thing.The media is conflating the two positions in the mind of the public. The price of Oil is directly related to the Bush Adm policy to advocate for a weak dollar. It cost more dollars to get the same amount of Oil.

Simple Supply and Demand, we have a larger Supply of Dollars so people are Demanding more of them. But wait it gets worse, the dollar is watered down, but the American people are dying of thirst. Wages and income for 95% of the country have been flat or are down since Reagan took office and saved America from Communism by destroying the worker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 07/19/2008

Donald Trump the know it all with the wierd hair. How smart can one guy be? If Donald Trump has an opinion on the energy crisis i don't want to hear it. He should stick to real estate and tv shows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 07/19/2008
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Egregious, amoral greed.

Nothing else to say.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 07/18/2008

Nope, it's geology, like leduck said above. But you don't really care to listen, do you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 07/18/2008
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You notice that when the price of world crude goes up a few dollars, the gas stations run immediately to their pumps and raise the price a few cents or 10 cents. When the price drops $10 in a few days, no rush to drop prices! So, dont give me the supply BS and it takes awhile to reflect the swings in prices, they are freakin liars and congress are their enablers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 07/18/2008

My guess is just taking a breather. Since nobody in washington is going to do squat about it except point the finger across the isle, my guess is we are screwed. They better get a handle on this with more exploration at home, investing big time into alternative and renewable energy, and speculation. Even if it only serves to drive speculators into othe markets around the world. If not in 20 years we are probably going to have a war over energy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 07/18/2008

the only place left to explore at home is offshore
and if it's way offshore -- that's not cheap
and even then
don't expect to find much
they only expect to recover around 18 billion barrels
so what
big deal

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 07/18/2008

There won't be any wars over energy. We will simply be driving small gas electric hybrids and some people will have real EVs and that will be it. I don't know why all of you are so eager for war. Didn't you have enough with how the last few ones went? For the price of Iraq everyone in the US who wanted one could have gotten a Prius. For free. As a tax payer present.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 07/18/2008

Nah...no manipulation here. Watch the price drop $1.50 per gallon right before the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 07/18/2008

That may have been the pattern in the past, but I would not look for it this election. I think the oil companies already know Barack Obama and the Democrats are coming so I would look for them to continue gouging prices until after the election and then look for a drop between then and January to give the appearance that no new regulations are needed.

Meanwhile I would not look for the price of gasoline to drop significantly no matter what the price of oil does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 07/18/2008
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There are also the brainwashed sheeple who are struggling to make ends meet fighting with you when youre critical of greedy Corporations for bastardizing Capitalism. They scream that we are socialists and govt. should stay out of business etc. The brain washing has worked well on these morons the past 20 years or so. Reagun and Bushes have done a number on you idiots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 07/18/2008

I will be watching and if it is $5/gallon because people are buying heating oil for winter, I will be thinking of you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 07/18/2008

Nigeria said there was an explosion that cut production - they probably did it themselves to get oil back up so 'fear' will run rampant again today. And those tools will just play into their hands

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 07/18/2008

they would not have had that affect on prices if they blew up a pipeline 10 years ago
something is different
there is much less excess capacity
this leads to volatility

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 07/18/2008

You need to stop fantasizing and turn to logical thinking. Trust me, it works much better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 07/18/2008

Considering that the commodity traders gave still trade on a 10% margin, and this president doesn't know the meaning of the word "diplomacy", I'd have to say oil prices are taking a breather.

More importantly however, anyone notice the time it takes for gas prices at the pump to increase with oil prices, versus the amount of time it takes for gas prices at the pump to decrease with oil prices?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 07/18/2008

The U.S. starts diplomacy talks with Iran and the price of oil drops. Smart move.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 07/18/2008

I bet with you that most technical traders are simply trading on computer models which know nothing about diplomacy. That part is all made up by analysts and clueless press people who have no idea what is really going on on the trading floor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 07/18/2008

Shouldn't the term be "topping out", not "bottoming out". Bottoming out is the term used for something that has been falling, and finally stops falling.

Demand in the US is slowing in response to the higher prices, and demand in China will slow a bit after the Olympics. US demand will likely fall further as we sink into recession, over the course of next year.
It will probably pick up again in 2010.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 AM on 07/18/2008

Oil is starting to go down partly because of the airlines taking airplanes out of service. Huge portion of demand taken off the market. Will you still be able to fly where you want to go? Maybe not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 AM on 07/18/2008

LOL....its great to see you idiots have no grasp on the economic market. You idiots do realize that futures are an asset based on an underlying asset, they have nothing to do with oil directly. Also you idiots do realize that futures are completely seperate from the supply and demand economics of commodities right? You dems are children in the adult world..............any word on the Obama Civil defense force? Have you all computed you're new tax bill under the socialist messiah?

Have you all taught your children Spanish? Because that is what the messiah mandates right? How dare that immigrants assimilate into our culture, and abandon there orginal culture. We as americans should be expected to learn there culture.

You idiots ever study greek history. Remember how they could not come together to ward off Xierxes the third because of there "diversity" differences...........rest easy Mexifornia will be here soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 AM on 07/18/2008

swytech: You realize that whoever told you to "go long on use of the word 'idiots' was pulling your leg, right? ;-)

A futures contract is a standardized contract, traded on a futures exchange, to buy or sell a certain underlying instrument at a certain date in the future, at a specified price. From the nature of your rant, I suspect you might want to review the wikipedia entry before you go off on others.

PS: I am not "a Dem," so you'll need a new generalization with which to dismiss me. ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 07/18/2008

well..., i'm not sure how this relates to the topic
all my ancestors came out of mexico
i think we should stop ALL immigration because of Peak Oil
but truth be told, the U.S. has been hypocritical for a long time
the republican party (the party of business) and Democrats want it both ways
they want mexicans and central americans to do cheap labor
but they also want them to disappear when the work is done

but i'm not sure how all this relates to oil prices
are mexicans causing Peak Oil?
are they causing prices to rise?
if they all went back, would prices drop down to the level it was in the 90s?

so is it the indians the meztisos, or all mexicans you hate? if you're white like vincente fox, does it matter? some of my ancestors in mexico were German were they ok?
Do you make a distinction between someone who's full blooded indian working in the fields?
and someone who's mostly white or full white and can fly under the radar (except in TEXAS)?
most migrant farm workers are mostly indian or full blooded indian
so in other words what people are saying without actually saying it is -- i don't like hispanic indians
is it just the indians you don't like?

but what does all this have to do with the price of gas you inbred hillbilly?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 07/18/2008
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A total of two insulting posts by this cretin = GOP TROLL.

Nuff said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 07/18/2008
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"You dems are children in the adult world.............."

Yeah, and you repubs have done such a FANTASTIC job over the last 7 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 07/19/2008
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