Why Obama Is Actually The Financial Underdog

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JIM KUHNHENN | July 17, 2008 10:58 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., acknowledges the crowd after speaking at the Ronald Reagan International Trade Center in Washington, Tuesday, July 15, 2008. Obama said Tuesday that overall U.S. interests have been hurt rather than helped by the Bush administration's decision to increase troop strength in Iraq 18 months ago, and vowed to stick to his plan to withdraw combat troops within 16 months of becoming president. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

WASHINGTON — Though he's raking in the cash so far, Barack Obama's decision to forgo public funds for the fall campaign means he must keep up his torrid pace _ a tall order that will tax his time, test his Internet support and require the help of Democratic donors who once wished for his defeat.

The Democratic nominee-in-waiting had his second-best fundraising month in June, a $52 million haul that swamped presidential rival John McCain by more than 2-1. He also got a big boost from his party, which raised nearly five times as much as it had in May.

The new figures underscore the Illinois senator's status as a fundraising star. He has raised $340 million during his presidential run to McCain's $132 million.

Obama's June total also reversed a three-month decline and helped close a cash-on-hand gap between the Democratic and Republican presidential operations. Together, Obama and the Democratic National Committee had $92 million in the bank at the end of June compared with $96 million for McCain and the Republican National Committee.

But the totals also set a tough new standard for Obama's presidential campaign: The $52 million he raised in June is now a baseline, not a high water mark.

"For him to maintain the pace that it looks as if he will need, he will have to match his best-ever month every month," said Michael Malbin, executive director of the Campaign Finance Institute, a nonpartisan group that tracks trends in political money. "That's what he's done this time, pretty close to his best-ever month, and he'll need to sustain this pace or increase it."

Obama's best fundraising month was February, when he took in $55 million.

Overall, the McCain campaign has estimated that it and Republican Party committees will have $400 million to spend on the presidential election in the months before the November election.

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To surpass that level of spending, Obama and the Democratic Party will have to raise about $100 million a month.

That task is making some Democrats anxious.

"You don't want to be in a situation at the critical time in September and October when you have not met your budget expectations," said Hassan Nemazee, who was Hillary Rodham Clinton's national financial co-chair and is now raising money for Obama and the DNC. "You're going to find yourself between a rock and hard place in terms of meeting your numbers."

McCain plans to accept $84 million in public money in the fall _ money he won't have to lift a finger to collect but which will limit his campaign's spending in the fall. The RNC and other party committees will foot the remainder of his campaign bills through coordinated and independent spending on his behalf.

Obama chose to become the first candidate in three decades to bypass the public funds _ the money from checkoff boxes on taxpayers' returns _ and that places a premium on his ability to raise more than McCain's $84 million.

"We have developed a strategy _ a very aggressive strategy _ that will only work if our millions of supporters continue to contribute their time and their money," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said in an e-mail to donors Thursday.

Then there's Clinton, Obama's foe-turned-supporter.

How much the Obama campaign plans to rely on Clinton's former donors remains to be seen. Her fundraisers say it will be much easier for them to raise money for Obama if his donors contribute to Clinton to help reduce her vendor debts, which at the end of May stood at about $10 million and growing.

"The most readily available, identifiable pool of new people for the Obama campaign to access is unquestionably the Clinton donors," said Nemazee, who personally raised $400,000 for Obama and the DNC in a matter of days recently.

Tad Devine, a political strategist who was a senior adviser in Democrat John Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign, says Obama could overcome many financial obstacles by selecting Clinton as his running mate.

"If you're planning the first general election that is not going to be financed by public money and you have the potential to pick someone who has already demonstrated the capacity to raise in excess of $200 million, I would think that would be an enormously consequential consideration," he said.

Obama has maintained a busy fundraising schedule in July, holding at least one event a night as he campaigns in big-dollar locales such as Atlanta, Chicago, Washington and New York. Nevertheless, he is taking himself out of the fundraising circuit starting this week when he leaves for at least a week of foreign travel.

Both Obama and McCain have been helping raise money for their respective parties, as well. The DNC had raised only $4.7 million in May, but after Obama locked up the nomination the party raised $22.5 million. The RNC also is getting help from President Bush, who was scheduled to attend an RNC fundraiser in Napa, Calif., Thursday evening that was expected to raise $850,000.

Both campaigns are already spending their money. Obama has set up big field operations in several states, most recently in the new battleground of Virginia. The campaigns are also spending significantly on advertising _ Obama about $7.6 million a week in 18 states and McCain and the RNC together some $7.3 million a week in 11 states.

Several Democratic fundraisers and strategists predicted money will come to Obama and the DNC in ever-increasing amounts. They say the Democratic National Convention in late August should serve as a springboard for record cash.

"I don't think summer fundraising at the end of a primary is a barometer for the potential fundraising in the general election," said Devine.

Obama has had extraordinary success tapping small donors through the Internet, particularly young people motivated to give for the first time. But he has caused some consternation recently among his core supporters for supporting an intelligence bill that many Democrats opposed and for other moves that appeared designed to attract more moderate independent voters.

It is significant that of the $52 million that Obama raised in June, only $2 million was for the general election. That means that he has been able to continue to tap new donors and donors who have yet to contribute the $2,300 maximum for the primary portion of his campaign. And he can go to them again for general election contributions.

Unlike McCain, Obama can roll over unused primary election money into the fall general election contest.

WASHINGTON — Though he's raking in the cash so far, Barack Obama's decision to forgo public funds for the fall campaign means he must keep up his torrid pace _ a tall order that will tax his tim...
WASHINGTON — Though he's raking in the cash so far, Barack Obama's decision to forgo public funds for the fall campaign means he must keep up his torrid pace _ a tall order that will tax his tim...
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- several I'm a Fan of several 6 fans permalink
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And the moral of the story is: withholding donations because you disagree with Obama's stance on one, two or even five of the multitude off issues this campaign is about is not really all that great an idea.

If you disagree on a few issues then donate less than you would have if you agreed with Obama 100%, but don't withhold your donation altogether.

(On a side note: If you're waiting for a politician that you agree with 100% before you donate to a campaign then you're going to be waiting a very long time.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 07/17/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 291 fans permalink

The moral of this story is, don't go against the constitution and will of the people, for no good reason to boot, if you want to keep getting their money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 07/17/2008
- momof3inGA I'm a Fan of momof3inGA 9 fans permalink
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He's still getting mine....and apparently 52 million dollars worth of others.

Holding a grudge and shooting ones-self in the foot by garnering a McCain candidacy is about the dumbest thing anyone can possibly do at this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 07/17/2008

Learn how to play with a winning team. You have bought into the Media hype about the FISA bill, this same Media that led you to believe that the Patriot Act was going to protect America, this same Media that told that deregulation would be good for the markets, this same Media that told you that Iraq would be a cake walk, slam dunk and Shock and Awe was a good thing this same Media that led you to believe that Iraq was a critical battlefield in the war on terror, this same Media that hasn't told you about the IMF audit of the financial markets that is coming, this same Media that wont push for access to Guantanmo Bay, this same Media that hasn't called for more Press meeting from the President, this same Media that will not ask VP Cheney what happend on that bird hunting trip where he shot somebody in the FACE.

Now you want to believe this Media when it says Obama has sold out the 4th Amendment when they haven't even asked John McCain why he didn't even bother to show up and vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 07/17/2008

RESEARCH read the constitution and point to the part where is says we have a constitutional right to privacy. I'll help you it doesn't state it anywhere nor does it imply it, the right to privacy has been granted to us by the courts and it can be taken away unless we push to have the Constitution Amended to include privacy rights. I'll let you keep fighting with the Republicans over Gay Marriage and Flag Burning (Hillary voted for a flag burning amendment)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 07/17/2008

A moral requires 2 components: cause and effect. You've already defined (through insinuation) that O bam a's FISA vote as the cause. And through your post it can be gleaned that you think that O bam a's supposed weakness in fundraising is the effect. Well there are 2 problems with your theory.

1. O bam a raised 52M in June. It would be the height of cognitive dissonance to call that "weak".

2. The FISA vote was in July. There's absolutely no way that any backlash (real or perceived) could affect his June numbers.

research, do thy name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 07/17/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 228 fans permalink

(On a side note: If you're waiting for a politician that you agree with 100% before you donate to a campaign then you're going to be waiting a very long time.)

It is easy to find one. If Mc'Cain and I were in the same room, he would agree with my every position. At least for a few minutes until I book out the check book :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 07/17/2008
- Budokan I'm a Fan of Budokan 217 fans permalink
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No surprise Dems are lagging behind Repugs. When you steal all the money it's a given you'll have more to spend....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 07/17/2008
- Bocababs I'm a Fan of Bocababs 19 fans permalink

I am one of the small donors to Obama. I tell everyone in FL to send when and what you can...even $5.00 a week because it does add up and it will help balance the scales of the "Great GOP Pooh Machine" that is going to get turned on after the Conventions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 07/17/2008

McCain has been running his GE campaign for months. Obama just got the clear for presumptive Democratic nominee on June 7th and he is only behind $2.7 million? This is being the financial underdog? Obama/DNC raised $74.4M to the McCain/RNC's $48M in June. At this rate, Obama will have over a $50 million dollar advantage by the RNC convention in September. This is an underestimate, because I am certain that the months are only going to get better as we approach November, especially during the weeks surrounding his acceptance speech before 75,000 supporters. In fact, let me make another donation right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 07/17/2008
- aliVonal I'm a Fan of aliVonal 3 fans permalink
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This country is so sold out, I don't know why I even bother. What a waste.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 07/17/2008
- SENCvoter I'm a Fan of SENCvoter 6 fans permalink
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Sure, but it is Americans that is buying the country back!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 07/17/2008
- momof3inGA I'm a Fan of momof3inGA 9 fans permalink
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Touche!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 07/17/2008

Take you head out of the oven and look on the bright side, in the state we're end things can only get better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 07/17/2008

I can only hope that you are right. I didn't think an idiot could screw things up as President, I didn't count on him having the help of Big Business, and the House and Senate to assist him with the failure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 07/17/2008
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 162 fans permalink

The GOP candidate is a gutter-stooge. He will be defeated this November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 07/17/2008

I'm frugal but I think I will donate to Obama. Any man like McCain who is NOT a pacifist after what he endured is not okay in my book. Go Obama. Speaking of thrift, there's a great post today about the Amish people and Social Security taxes: http://www.Vaboomer.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 07/17/2008
- levibatgirl I'm a Fan of levibatgirl 285 fans permalink
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 07/17/2008
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ilovemydoggy

In the biblical sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 07/17/2008
- mimsnpips I'm a Fan of mimsnpips 13 fans permalink
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Obama has to talk to the Amish. W shamed them into voting for him (anti abortion) last 2 times. The reps are attempting to bust up the dems in PA since we are a swing state. We need every vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 07/17/2008
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Reports are the Hilllary has written to the FEC that she wants to keep her like $30MM in general election money for her 2012 campaign. Way to be a team player Hilllary. I believe that money could go to the DNC. Remember her primary campaign is $20MM+ in debt but because many of her donors were big money types they funneled that money into her non-existent general election campaign because they were maxed out for the primaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 07/17/2008
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If this is true, I am really P.O.'d. this means she is either planning for Obama to lose against McCain or she is planning on running against the incumbent Obama. Either way, it's not really very 'large D' Democratic.

I was planning on contributing to the fund to retire her debt but now I'm thinking twice about that! I'll wait to find out if this is true!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 07/17/2008
- jacqmac I'm a Fan of jacqmac 15 fans permalink

And look at all the STATES that are 'in play'? Florida? Check! ARIZONA? Check! Colorado? Check! Montana? Check! Michigan? Check! Texas? Check! California? Check! Oregon? Check!
It takes BUCKS to run a 50 state campaign, which is one reason why appeals for funds just keep coming. It would be nice to not have to literally 'pass the hat' at the Convention or hold a bake sale for the DNC OR the Obama campaign. Brief plug: The DNC-Democratic National Committee-not only contributes funds to Senate and Congressional races-but also to STATE and LOCAL elections. Yeah-you got it-that progressive city council person you voted for probably took funds from the local Dems who got them from the Nat. Committee. Please-Give a little bit to BOTH Obama and the DNC-you have EVERYTHING to gain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 07/17/2008
- BlueZoo I'm a Fan of BlueZoo 44 fans permalink

Doesn't anyone but me find this dollar amount of electioneering shameful? Our economy has gone south and we're all hurting but these two men will spend over a $Billion in trying to get elected! Our priorities are so skewed! Even our Senators and Congressmen spend the last two years of their terms raising funding for their re-election campaigns, instead of concentrating on the business of the country. I don't know how to change it but it would seem a cap on amounts of campaign spending would be a great start!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 07/17/2008

Can you imagine how impressive Obama would appear if he made a speech telling people to keep their money for their families and not to donate to his campaign? He could then wage an amazing FREE campaign on the internet and the news and become an immortal figure in American politics.

He has the charisma to do this and it would probably win him more votes than his 100 million dollars could.

We all know Obama is going to win this fall. He should get creative with his campaign and change how American politics work in the process. He could create change right now and only gain from it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 07/17/2008
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Can you positively assure me O will win? I need help sleeping at night this election year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 07/17/2008

Remember it is McCain who is spending our tax dollars to win this election, not Obama. Obama prefers running his campaign with the donations of those who actually support him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 07/17/2008

You are delusional. Do your homework.

Vote for O but be somewhat rational? And realize O is bought and paid for? Very FEW (if any) changes will be made.

Hayseus

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 07/17/2008
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 158 fans permalink
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Yeah, McCain is spending money from lobbyists, PAC's the RNC and will still take $84 million in public money. I find that disgusting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 07/17/2008

That's hilarious! A liberal not in favor of campaign finance reform. At least, until now that Obama backed off from using it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 07/17/2008

BlueZoo - it's is shameful the money spent on campaigning - but fact is there's a large number of low information voters in this country. People on blog sites like this are searching for information. Many people if it doesn't show up on their TV screen or if someone doesn't come to their door, they probably wouldn't know who was even running for President let alone know anything about their position on the issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 07/17/2008
- fearwig I'm a Fan of fearwig 4 fans permalink

Ironically, the billion(s) spent this year mean that surplus cash (donations) is being unloaded into the economy, often on the local scale. That's a good thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 07/17/2008

Hello! Unless you're an advertising tycoon or a corporate media mogul, you're not going to see a dime of that money! I love how both candidates decry lobbyists and then pour a billion dollars into Corporate Media. LOL It's like all the subsidies given to oil tycoons who record record profits, and bailing out banks who have recorded record profit. Stealing from the poor and giving to the rich is the American Way!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 07/17/2008
- donaldw6 I'm a Fan of donaldw6 357 fans permalink
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For 2012, definitely! And yes, of course it's shameful. But until we have real comprehensive public financing that accounts for 527's and other extracurricular activities, we have to fight fire with fire. It's expensive, but it's an area where gratification must be deferred. I'm not letting go of my ideals any more than you are, but in the meantime, the money I contribute is a very practical attempt to reach those lofty goals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 07/17/2008

autumnrecluse - that money goes to fighting smears from the rovian tactics of the nasty knuckle dragging rethuglicans ......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 07/17/2008
- momof3inGA I'm a Fan of momof3inGA 9 fans permalink
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OMG....52 Million!!!

WE DID IT! (...and I didn't even contribute last month!)

In your face, naysayers!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 07/17/2008
- glorysong I'm a Fan of glorysong 4 fans permalink
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I just send Obama $25.00 and will send Him another one in the morning. He got my vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 07/17/2008
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Face it the RNC is raking in millions for PAC money because they have no limits. 0bama was right the system was broken as long as that loophole existed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 07/17/2008
- alaintex I'm a Fan of alaintex 2 fans permalink

Couldn't the DNC do the same thing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 07/17/2008

"Couldn't the DNC do the same thing?".

A couple of months back the DNC announced -- per Obama's request they also would not accept money for PAC's and lobbyist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 07/17/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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RNC raised $26 million in June.

DNC raised $22 million in June.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 07/17/2008
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 158 fans permalink
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The DNC isn't accepting money lobbyists and PACs. They are following Obama's lead. He is getting the big money out of the campaign and the average donation is $68. McCain, on the other hand, has a hybrid campaign structure that allows individual donors to donate $70,000 to his campaign ($2300 to his campaign, $27,7000 to the RNC and $10,000 to funds set up in battleground states). I would say that violates the spirit of his own campaign finance reform. KQuarksSuperKollider is right. The system is broken when a campaign reformer (McCain) finds a loophole that allows him to violate the laws he helped write. Now can we talk again about what a maverick he is or would you rather discuss the flip flops, because McCain has reversed his positions over and over again.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/21/mccain-financing-structur_n_97816.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 07/17/2008
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The DNC doesn't accept pac money or lobbyist money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 07/17/2008
- gage I'm a Fan of gage 15 fans permalink
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PACS can only give $5000 in direction donations to a candidate.

Obama is doing just fine with "independent expenditures" from PACs. One example:

"FEC-required filings show SEIU's two PACs spent over $9 million dollars supporting Obama by the end of May. The money went for such things as:

-$126,000 to the SEIU United Healthcare Workers as reimbursement for "Staff salaries, per diem & expenses"

-$700,000 to pay the union's own General Fund for "staff and expense" of door-to-door canvassing of voters for Obama in Pennsylvania

-$300,000 for the same in Ohio

-$165,000 to the General Fund for get out the vote (GOTV) canvassing in Wisconsin

-$161,000+ to SEIU for further canvassing and "voter ID/"registration in Pennsylvania

-almost $40,000 for printing the materials to be used in the canvass

-$84,000+ to the SEIU Communications Center for phone bank activity to identify and register Obama voters in Pennsylvania

-$150,000 for a similar expenditure in Indiana

-External expenditures for similar phone banks for Montana and for GOTV and "persuasion" in Texas

-The above-mentioned "election day rally bus rental" for the Pennsylvania primary in the amount of $1,450

-$310.56 to a New York eatery for food expenses for the same Pennsylvania election day rally

-And, of course, millions spent for the more traditional "independent expenditures" (i.e. communications)--TV spots, direct mail, and other forms of advertising."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/obama_the_pacman.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 07/17/2008

Face it, you obviously no nothing about raising money for both the RNC and DNC. You can't even admit both sides "have no limits". Very sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 07/17/2008

I donated $50 to my gas tank and I'll be donating another $50 next week. If the candidate can't finish this campaign year with 100 million dollars then he doesn't deserve my vote. I want a candidate who can do a lot with a little money. He should use the internet, and youtube, and stop wasting our money. He is a shoe in to win this fall. Why does he need so much money?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 07/17/2008
- BlueZoo I'm a Fan of BlueZoo 44 fans permalink

I'm not so sure Obama is a shoe-in but I heartily gree with the rest of your comments. btw: What do you drive that requires a fill-up for only $50? Gas here is $4.10/gallon!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 07/17/2008

A very fuel efficient subaru!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 07/17/2008

Motorcycle? Golf cart?...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 07/17/2008

What are you driving? My wife works 28 miles away and does not need more than 50 bucks to fill up her small SUV each week.

I fill up every 1.4 weeks for 52 bucks at 4.37 per gallon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 07/17/2008
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Yeah and you will let the party that was in power when that gas price increased by 300% back into power by sitting on you hands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 07/17/2008
- BronxBorn I'm a Fan of BronxBorn 56 fans permalink
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Bhudda-Bing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 07/17/2008

This country is not going to elect another Republican, especially one who is so far along in his years. Let's use this money for better things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 07/17/2008
- Yuma I'm a Fan of Yuma 3 fans permalink
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Because, too many stupid people !
Low IQ, Low Info, and he is a black/white man.
And his name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 07/17/2008
- iamnumba1 I'm a Fan of iamnumba1 3 fans permalink

Hmmm...$100 million is nothing compared to the 10 billion dollars a month being spent in Iraq. Last time I checked, Obama was the only candidate who voted against the war, as well as the only candidate with a solid plan of ending it.

So, I will reiterate that $100 million dollars is nothing compared to $10 billion dollars per month for Iraq.

By the way, $52 million is great! I didn't contribute last month, but I did this month. Basically, I give $25 each time. That is one meal at the local fast food joint for a family of four. No big deal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 07/17/2008

Autumnrecluse - First off I'd say he's done a fine job with budgeting the money he's received -- unlike Hill, he's not in debt. Secondly there is no "set budget" for a campaign, you have to raise and spend as much as your opponent to compete. You think he should just stick to internet advertising, well fact is not everyone has a computer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 07/17/2008
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heck, Mc.Cain doesn't even know how to use one...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 07/17/2008
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