Bush Agrees To "General Time Horizon" For Troop Withdrawals In Iraq

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TERENCE HUNT | July 18, 2008 09:15 PM EST | AP

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President Bush pauses as he speaks with reporters after arriving at Ellington Field Friday, July 18, 2008 in Houston. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once-ironclad unwillingness to talk about any kind of deadline or timetable.

The announcement Friday put Bush in the position of offering to talk with Iraqi leaders about a politically charged issue that he adamantly has refused to discuss with the Democratic-led Congress at home. It also could complicate the presidential campaign arguments of Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama who have staked out starkly opposite stands about the unpopular war.

What's changed? The sharp reduction in violence in Iraq _ to the lowest level in four years _ has made the country's leaders increasingly confident and more assertive about its sovereignty, giving rise to demands for a specific plan for American forces to leave.

Iraq has leverage because the White House is struggling to salvage negotiations for a long-term agreement covering U.S. military operations there. The White House said its goal is to conclude that deal by the end of this month.

Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki talked about the stalled negotiations during a secure video conference on Thursday, agreeing "on a common way forward to conclude these negotiations as soon as possible," a White House statement said.

The two leaders agreed that improvements in security should allow for the negotiations "to include a general time horizon for meeting aspirational goals, such as the resumption of Iraqi security control in their cities and provinces and the further reduction of U.S. combat forces from Iraq," the White House said.

Bush repeatedly has vetoed legislation approved by Congress setting deadlines for American troop cutbacks.

Friday's White House statement was intentionally vague and did not specify what kind of timelines were envisioned. That allows Iraqi officials, who are facing elections in the fall, to argue they are not beholden to Washington or willing to tolerate a permanent military presence in Iraq. For Bush, it points the way toward a legal framework for keeping American troops in Iraq after a U.N. mandate expires on Dec. 31.

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"The agreement will look at goal dates for transition of responsibilities and missions," said Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for Bush's National Security Council. "The focus is on the Iraqi assumption of missions, not on what troop levels will be."

As for the campaign to elect a new commander in chief, McCain firmly opposes any withdrawal timetable while Obama pledges to pull out combat troops within 16 months. By talking about a "time horizon," Bush appeared at odds with McCain and could make his own GOP administration a tougher target for Obama's anti-war barbs.

McCain issued a statement saying, "Progress between the United States and Iraq on a time horizon for American troop presence is further evidence that the surge has succeeded. ... If we had followed Sen. Obama's policy, Iraq would have descended into chaos, American casualties would be far higher, and the region would be destabilized."

However, Ben Rose, a senior adviser to Obama, said, "It's another indication that the administration is moving toward ... Sen. Obama's position on negotiating the removal of our forces as part of our ongoing discussions with the Iraqi government."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Bush wasn't going far enough. "After rejecting 18 months of attempts by the Democratic majority in Congress to adopt redeployment timetables, the president now proposes a vague general time horizon that falls far short of a commitment to ending our involvement in Iraq," she said.

Democratic Rep. William Delahunt of Massachusetts, who has led House hearings on the planned agreement with Iraq, said the "time horizon" cited by the White House was "very vague and nebulous." He also said the agreement taking shape seemed "far less grandiose than what was initially articulated."

Iraq has proposed requiring U.S. forces to fully withdraw five years after the Iraqis take the lead on security nationwide _ though that condition could take years to meet. Iraq's national security adviser, Mouwaffak al-Rubaie, said this month that Baghdad would not accept any security deal unless it contained specific dates for U.S. troop withdrawals.

So far, the United States has handed control of 10 of 18 provinces to Iraqi officials. "Obviously, if Iraqis are assuming more missions, then you need less American troops," Johndroe said.

The White House sought to make a distinction between talking with Iraqis about withdrawals and attempts by Congress to force cutbacks.

"I think it's important to remember that the discussions about timeline issues previously were from Democrats in Congress who wanted to arbitrarily retreat from Iraq without consideration of conditions on the ground," said White House deputy press secretary Scott Stanzel, who was traveling with Bush in Tucson, Ariz.

"All of the discussions that we have always had have been based on conditions on the ground and making progress in the country, and we are doing just that," Stanzel said. "We are making progress on the security situation. The number of attacks has dropped dramatically in recent months."

A major troop buildup ordered by Bush in January 2007 has ended. In recent days, the 3rd Infantry Division's 2nd Brigade, the last of the five additional combat brigades sent in last year, left the country. There are still 150,000 U.S. troops in Iraq _ as many as 15,000 more than before the buildup began.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on Wednesday that he is likely to recommend further troop reductions this fall because security has improved.

WASHINGTON — President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once...
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- Bendersky I'm a Fan of Bendersky 3 fans permalink

I think "General time horizon" means "Shut-up and stop talking about wanting us to leave or we'll start supporting the insurgents."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 07/18/2008
- Totto I'm a Fan of Totto 39 fans permalink

Cutting and running, eh, Bush?
Over four thousand US troops dead,
hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead and lives ruined,
over a trillion spent, for what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 07/18/2008
- PATina I'm a Fan of PATina 210 fans permalink
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Iraq has proposed requiring U.S. forces to fully withdraw five years after the Iraqis take the lead on security nationwide _ though that precondition could take years to meet.


Sounds pretty indefinite to me. I have a feeling we will be in Iraq for a long, long time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 07/18/2008

More importantly ... was this a way of getting Mailiki out of the country before he was tempted to talk to Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 07/18/2008
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What the.... I thought surrendering was for wimps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 07/18/2008

1-2 brigades per months, 16 months depending on conditions on the ground, and we're out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 07/18/2008

Oh my, The Iraqis want us OUT, Bush comes up with "General Time Horizon" to make it appear it is him calling the shots when clearly he is being kicked to the curb without his large oil deal he invaded the country to get, a country he has destroyed. I wonder if he's thinking he will have better luck in Iran?

Why oh why is Bush not in a prison somewhere for the crimes he has committed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 07/18/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 148 fans permalink
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Timelines for withdrawal?! Aaargh! Surrender monkeys!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 07/18/2008
- hoopesaz I'm a Fan of hoopesaz 23 fans permalink

Has the position really changed? I'm honestly not sure. I thought they resisted setting a timeline, but at the same time indicated they would get out if Iraq wanted them out. Has the administration in the past indicated they would stay regardless of the desires of the Iraqi government? I don't remember hearing that.

Seems like the story is that the Iraqi government has agreed to step up and take responsibility on a specific timeline.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 07/18/2008

The Iraqi government has said a while back they wanted us out. Its all good to try and think our position hasn't changed, but you know whats happened. We need to get our sh_t together and hit Afghanistan before we lose it, and at the same time the administration wants to save as much face as possible. Nice little spin though, it was cute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 07/18/2008
- Totto I'm a Fan of Totto 39 fans permalink

The RNC talking points for the day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 07/18/2008

When pressed to define "general time horizon," President Bush demurred:

"On some OTHER President's watch."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 07/18/2008
- msmaggie I'm a Fan of msmaggie 10 fans permalink

General time horizon being profoundly different than a timeline I gather. Orwell was spot on.

If one believes in the real politik approach, Iraq asking us to leave is the best case scenario. Regardless of the consequences, hey, not our fault. Funny in a sick, twisted sort of way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 07/18/2008

IF Pres. Bush wants to copy Sen. Obama's and Clinton's idea of a time line ("horizon'), and get the recognition, that's fine with me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 07/18/2008

Hmm....I wonder what Mah'Cane will say about Booshes General Time Horizon plan of "surrender"? Hmmm...lets see if he's the "maverick" everyone labeled him as!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 07/18/2008

Soon as America wraps it's head around the fact that this is not a War but an illegal Occupation the sooner we will riseup and get our Troops our of there. Then and only then will there be strong a push for withdrawal. America is split on leaving but a majority wants to leave, WTF! America. We make no sense, NONE! Feel like i'm living in a land of idiots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 07/18/2008

Man, these sorry sumbeeches will say anything to get McCranky elected, won't they?

More Bull + BOOOsh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 07/18/2008
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