Bush Agrees To "General Time Horizon" For Troop Reductions

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TERENCE HUNT | July 18, 2008 09:15 PM EST | AP

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President Bush pauses as he speaks with reporters after arriving at Ellington Field Friday, July 18, 2008 in Houston. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once-ironclad unwillingness to talk about any kind of deadline or timetable.

The announcement Friday put Bush in the position of offering to talk with Iraqi leaders about a politically charged issue that he adamantly has refused to discuss with the Democratic-led Congress at home. It also could complicate the presidential campaign arguments of Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama who have staked out starkly opposite stands about the unpopular war.

What's changed? The sharp reduction in violence in Iraq _ to the lowest level in four years _ has made the country's leaders increasingly confident and more assertive about its sovereignty, giving rise to demands for a specific plan for American forces to leave.

Iraq has leverage because the White House is struggling to salvage negotiations for a long-term agreement covering U.S. military operations there. The White House said its goal is to conclude that deal by the end of this month.

Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki talked about the stalled negotiations during a secure video conference on Thursday, agreeing "on a common way forward to conclude these negotiations as soon as possible," a White House statement said.

The two leaders agreed that improvements in security should allow for the negotiations "to include a general time horizon for meeting aspirational goals, such as the resumption of Iraqi security control in their cities and provinces and the further reduction of U.S. combat forces from Iraq," the White House said.

Bush repeatedly has vetoed legislation approved by Congress setting deadlines for American troop cutbacks.

Friday's White House statement was intentionally vague and did not specify what kind of timelines were envisioned. That allows Iraqi officials, who are facing elections in the fall, to argue they are not beholden to Washington or willing to tolerate a permanent military presence in Iraq. For Bush, it points the way toward a legal framework for keeping American troops in Iraq after a U.N. mandate expires on Dec. 31.

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"The agreement will look at goal dates for transition of responsibilities and missions," said Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for Bush's National Security Council. "The focus is on the Iraqi assumption of missions, not on what troop levels will be."

As for the campaign to elect a new commander in chief, McCain firmly opposes any withdrawal timetable while Obama pledges to pull out combat troops within 16 months. By talking about a "time horizon," Bush appeared at odds with McCain and could make his own GOP administration a tougher target for Obama's anti-war barbs.

McCain issued a statement saying, "Progress between the United States and Iraq on a time horizon for American troop presence is further evidence that the surge has succeeded. ... If we had followed Sen. Obama's policy, Iraq would have descended into chaos, American casualties would be far higher, and the region would be destabilized."

However, Ben Rose, a senior adviser to Obama, said, "It's another indication that the administration is moving toward ... Sen. Obama's position on negotiating the removal of our forces as part of our ongoing discussions with the Iraqi government."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Bush wasn't going far enough. "After rejecting 18 months of attempts by the Democratic majority in Congress to adopt redeployment timetables, the president now proposes a vague general time horizon that falls far short of a commitment to ending our involvement in Iraq," she said.

Democratic Rep. William Delahunt of Massachusetts, who has led House hearings on the planned agreement with Iraq, said the "time horizon" cited by the White House was "very vague and nebulous." He also said the agreement taking shape seemed "far less grandiose than what was initially articulated."

Iraq has proposed requiring U.S. forces to fully withdraw five years after the Iraqis take the lead on security nationwide _ though that condition could take years to meet. Iraq's national security adviser, Mouwaffak al-Rubaie, said this month that Baghdad would not accept any security deal unless it contained specific dates for U.S. troop withdrawals.

So far, the United States has handed control of 10 of 18 provinces to Iraqi officials. "Obviously, if Iraqis are assuming more missions, then you need less American troops," Johndroe said.

The White House sought to make a distinction between talking with Iraqis about withdrawals and attempts by Congress to force cutbacks.

"I think it's important to remember that the discussions about timeline issues previously were from Democrats in Congress who wanted to arbitrarily retreat from Iraq without consideration of conditions on the ground," said White House deputy press secretary Scott Stanzel, who was traveling with Bush in Tucson, Ariz.

"All of the discussions that we have always had have been based on conditions on the ground and making progress in the country, and we are doing just that," Stanzel said. "We are making progress on the security situation. The number of attacks has dropped dramatically in recent months."

A major troop buildup ordered by Bush in January 2007 has ended. In recent days, the 3rd Infantry Division's 2nd Brigade, the last of the five additional combat brigades sent in last year, left the country. There are still 150,000 U.S. troops in Iraq _ as many as 15,000 more than before the buildup began.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on Wednesday that he is likely to recommend further troop reductions this fall because security has improved.

WASHINGTON — President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once...
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Is that like "Event Horizon", the area surrounding a Black Hole?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 07/19/2008
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His "general time horizon" was mentioned in the context of, or coupled with, "aspirational goals". This, of course, means its a "moving target" with no definitive end. They are just playing with words in an attempt to appease the electorate or, more accurately, to fool the electorate into believing that they actually want to eventually leave Iraq.

If they really wanted to leave Iraq they wouldn't have built 59 permanent military bases with U.S. taxpayer money. My belief is that their plan is to use these bases as a permanent staging ground from which to launch attacks against existing and new threats from that part of the world.

In conclusion, don't buy into their Orwellian crap. They are forever playing with words. Remember how often they kept repeating their lies with regard to the reasons for invading Iraq? (And the msm just blithely allowed these lies to propagate and persist.) The logic was if they kept repeating them long enough, people would actually start believing them as fact.

I've reached a point where whenever I see B-ush's face on the tv screen, I immediately either change the station or hit the MUTE button as it has been my experience that this man has nothing useful to say. His words have too often proven to be sounds with no true meaning or purpose other than to promote a fraud on the American people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 07/19/2008

Both Bush and McCain are following Senator Obamas playbook.... the copycats. ;)

VOTE SMART - OBAMA '08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 07/19/2008

What the Republicans and Bush have done is, they showed the world how weak and Defenseless America really is. A defenseless country country like Iraq has overwhelmed them. How was King George overwhelmed in the American War of independence? Could one not run parallels today of how Americans are seen in Iraq asto parrallels of the Americams against the British in the War of independen­ce?America needs to get out of the middle East.....before there can be peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 07/19/2008

Regardless of Mr. Bush's political motivations to impact the US election, it is easy to imagine that talking points and speeches are being completely re-written as Obama travels tonight.

Moves such as these on the part of the White House tends to lower the tide under Obama's boat, and erodes the significance of Iraq in the campagin in general.

The risk for Obama is that his trip will turn out to be a big yawn for the American voter.

There is a risk that Obama will be seen as out of touch and focused on the wrong issues.

One can imagine the photo ops and video clips of lavish dinners while the average voter here in America will be dealing with the ugly realties of the economy.

Just who is paying for this trip, is he going as a Senator or as a candidate?

Is he spending our tax dollars or his campaign donations?

Either way a case can be made that it may be a very poor investment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 07/19/2008

This trip, I am sure, is being funded by O supporter donations. And as one of his regular donors, I approve of his spending my donations for this trip.

What is your problem?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 07/19/2008
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This doesn't smell right . I think the Bush Administration (because it certainly isn't
Bush) wanted to take the "time" issue off the table when Obama visits Iraq. Why does this suddenly come up the day before his trip? It's about undercutting Obama. Just like he discouraged Merkel from letting Obama speak at the Brandenberg Gate for some trumped up reason or another. The day Obama gave his major Iraq policy speech they shoved GW out there for a pathetic press conference at the exact same time to take away as much media coverage as possible. They play this game all the time and the press just falls in line.

OfcoursePetreaus will have a totally different position than Obama. He's got to make Obama look bad if he possibly can. He's a Bush puppet demonstrated by his willingness to go before congress and say exactly what Bush wanted him to say. This way he could hide behind Petreaus' skirt. This guy wants to get into politics.U­nfortunate­ly the press (Andrea Mitchell in particular) has yet to realize the President sets the policy and the miltary advises on the best way to achieve it. Not the other way around. Petreaus takes orders he doesn't give them. He may end up being another McArthur. Oh that's right he'll be gone by the time Obama is president!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 07/19/2008
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Bush must have found out he was the worst president in the history of this country. Now he's trying to salvage his legacy. The war, gasoline prices fell a little today...and he's still a loser .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 07/19/2008

Bush is turning into a liberal democrat even if he's too slow to realise. Obama/Bush '08! If Obama chooses Bush as his VP it would surprise the media, be bi-partisan and attract tbhe hardcore bush fans. Obama would win in a landisde with about 75% of the vote, and 100% of the electoral collage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 07/18/2008

Bush may only be seeking for reprieves for what he has done.......if you destroyed everyone a few miles from your place....then did a good deed for the community.....does that absoslve you of the terrible deed you did earlier? How do you apologise to the people who died because of your bad policy....a policy you kept for years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 07/19/2008
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0 democrats would vote...nice try

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 07/19/2008
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jfo, you work for the new yorker don't you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 07/19/2008
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Obama is not the President yet, but already he's shaping foreign policy, which the Republicans have no choice but to follow.

TELL ME AGAIN WHO WILL MAKE THE BEST COMMANDER IN CHIEF? ........ LOOKS LIKE OBAMA WILL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 07/18/2008

yeah pretty sweet promotion.­..........­.....the messiah goes from staple gunning election posters to the Pres.......of course he never has run anything else along the way.......­.......but who cares he is the messiah. I have to go iron my brown shirt for his debut.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 AM on 07/19/2008
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Don't try to fool us. All your shirts brown from chewing Red Man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 AM on 07/19/2008

He never has run anything else...? Well, it's true that Crash McBush has had oodles of executive positions, or has he? And your hero w ran corporations aplenty, into the ground. Executive experience is a must? Or a mist, a fine brown mist, perhaps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 07/19/2008
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Mo Rocca couldn't come up with a goofier term than "General Time Horizen."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 07/18/2008
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Goofy, yes. But it does a have specific meaning. Check out the definition of "time horizon" on wikipedia, then google the term "General Time Horizon -iraq" and look at some of the financially related results.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 07/18/2008
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Cool, I found it.

It says "time table" typically used by flip-flopping appeasers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 AM on 07/19/2008
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An "aspirational goal"? Sounds like an attempt to clear an airway of vomit before performing CPR ... talk about mastering the fine art of saying nothing.

You know, suppose 50% of U.S. troops do withdraw this year or next year .... whoever controls the Iraqi Oil Ministry is still going to be able to pay 100% of the Blackwater mercenaries and their ilk, and hire even more of them. "Americans" carrying weapons are going to be there quite a while, no matter who is in the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 07/18/2008
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Given that his "General Time Horizon" was mentioned in the context of, or coupled with, "aspirational goals" doesn't give such a statement much if any weight. This, of course, means its a "moving target" with no definitive end. They are just playing with words in an attempt to appease the electorate or, more accurately, to fool the electorate into believing that they actually want to eventually leave Iraq.

If they really wanted to leave Iraq they wouldn't have built 59 permanent military bases with U.S. taxpayer money. My belief is that their plan is to use these bases as a permanent staging ground from which to launch attacks against existing and new threats from that part of the world.

In conclusion, don't buy into their Orwellian crap. They are forever playing with words. Remember how often they kept repeating their lies with regard to the reasons for invading Iraq? (And the msm just blithely allowed these lies to propagate and persist.) The logic was if they kept repeating them long enough, people would actually start believing them as fact.

I've reached a point where whenever I see B-ush's face on the tv screen, I immediately either change the station or hit the MUTE button as it has been my experience that this man has nothing useful to say. His words have too often proven to be sounds with no true meaning or purpose other than to promote a fraud on the American people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 07/19/2008

Children are often much smarter than adults.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 07/18/2008
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Thank Gawd!

I know some frighteningly ignorant 'dults

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 07/18/2008
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I'm a repub and support Bush, but I have no frickin idea what a general time horizon means. Another idiodic polital statement that can mean absolutaley anything. Good thing for you dems though if Obama gets the batton passed to him he can say this is whatever the hell he wants to cause nobody knows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 07/18/2008
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I tried to parse the phrase "General Time Horizon" below.

To make a long post short, I think it can be paraphrased as, "Lets watch how things go for a while, and then make a decision."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 07/18/2008
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Cut and run appeaser.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 07/18/2008

Bush is soft on terrorism, right wingnuts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 07/18/2008
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Why does the shrub hate America and our troops???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 07/18/2008
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he doesn't hate them anymore than he hates any of us

we're just machines in the game

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 07/18/2008

step by step, Bush is taking many of neophyte Obama's foreign policy prescriptions, while abandoning the detritus from the old man who Depends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 07/18/2008
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