Bush Agrees To "General Time Horizon" For Troop Reductions

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TERENCE HUNT | July 18, 2008 09:15 PM EST | AP

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President Bush pauses as he speaks with reporters after arriving at Ellington Field Friday, July 18, 2008 in Houston. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once-ironclad unwillingness to talk about any kind of deadline or timetable.

The announcement Friday put Bush in the position of offering to talk with Iraqi leaders about a politically charged issue that he adamantly has refused to discuss with the Democratic-led Congress at home. It also could complicate the presidential campaign arguments of Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama who have staked out starkly opposite stands about the unpopular war.

What's changed? The sharp reduction in violence in Iraq _ to the lowest level in four years _ has made the country's leaders increasingly confident and more assertive about its sovereignty, giving rise to demands for a specific plan for American forces to leave.

Iraq has leverage because the White House is struggling to salvage negotiations for a long-term agreement covering U.S. military operations there. The White House said its goal is to conclude that deal by the end of this month.

Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki talked about the stalled negotiations during a secure video conference on Thursday, agreeing "on a common way forward to conclude these negotiations as soon as possible," a White House statement said.

The two leaders agreed that improvements in security should allow for the negotiations "to include a general time horizon for meeting aspirational goals, such as the resumption of Iraqi security control in their cities and provinces and the further reduction of U.S. combat forces from Iraq," the White House said.

Bush repeatedly has vetoed legislation approved by Congress setting deadlines for American troop cutbacks.

Friday's White House statement was intentionally vague and did not specify what kind of timelines were envisioned. That allows Iraqi officials, who are facing elections in the fall, to argue they are not beholden to Washington or willing to tolerate a permanent military presence in Iraq. For Bush, it points the way toward a legal framework for keeping American troops in Iraq after a U.N. mandate expires on Dec. 31.

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"The agreement will look at goal dates for transition of responsibilities and missions," said Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for Bush's National Security Council. "The focus is on the Iraqi assumption of missions, not on what troop levels will be."

As for the campaign to elect a new commander in chief, McCain firmly opposes any withdrawal timetable while Obama pledges to pull out combat troops within 16 months. By talking about a "time horizon," Bush appeared at odds with McCain and could make his own GOP administration a tougher target for Obama's anti-war barbs.

McCain issued a statement saying, "Progress between the United States and Iraq on a time horizon for American troop presence is further evidence that the surge has succeeded. ... If we had followed Sen. Obama's policy, Iraq would have descended into chaos, American casualties would be far higher, and the region would be destabilized."

However, Ben Rose, a senior adviser to Obama, said, "It's another indication that the administration is moving toward ... Sen. Obama's position on negotiating the removal of our forces as part of our ongoing discussions with the Iraqi government."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Bush wasn't going far enough. "After rejecting 18 months of attempts by the Democratic majority in Congress to adopt redeployment timetables, the president now proposes a vague general time horizon that falls far short of a commitment to ending our involvement in Iraq," she said.

Democratic Rep. William Delahunt of Massachusetts, who has led House hearings on the planned agreement with Iraq, said the "time horizon" cited by the White House was "very vague and nebulous." He also said the agreement taking shape seemed "far less grandiose than what was initially articulated."

Iraq has proposed requiring U.S. forces to fully withdraw five years after the Iraqis take the lead on security nationwide _ though that condition could take years to meet. Iraq's national security adviser, Mouwaffak al-Rubaie, said this month that Baghdad would not accept any security deal unless it contained specific dates for U.S. troop withdrawals.

So far, the United States has handed control of 10 of 18 provinces to Iraqi officials. "Obviously, if Iraqis are assuming more missions, then you need less American troops," Johndroe said.

The White House sought to make a distinction between talking with Iraqis about withdrawals and attempts by Congress to force cutbacks.

"I think it's important to remember that the discussions about timeline issues previously were from Democrats in Congress who wanted to arbitrarily retreat from Iraq without consideration of conditions on the ground," said White House deputy press secretary Scott Stanzel, who was traveling with Bush in Tucson, Ariz.

"All of the discussions that we have always had have been based on conditions on the ground and making progress in the country, and we are doing just that," Stanzel said. "We are making progress on the security situation. The number of attacks has dropped dramatically in recent months."

A major troop buildup ordered by Bush in January 2007 has ended. In recent days, the 3rd Infantry Division's 2nd Brigade, the last of the five additional combat brigades sent in last year, left the country. There are still 150,000 U.S. troops in Iraq _ as many as 15,000 more than before the buildup began.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on Wednesday that he is likely to recommend further troop reductions this fall because security has improved.

WASHINGTON — President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once...
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- turfkiller I'm a Fan of turfkiller 5 fans permalink

This is just the "do everything wrong republicans" trying to tie the hands of the new administration.

Bush and McCain are loose cannons... problem with Bush and Rove is that they keep shooting at us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 07/18/2008
- wmbear I'm a Fan of wmbear 24 fans permalink

UM. ER, IS THAT THE SAME AS A "TIMETABLE"...

That you (Bush) made such a stink about earlier? But it's OK if you do it and call it by some other name? (Typical Bush administration tactic -- don't call things what they are, call them something else, so you don't have to admit that you're doing what you're doing.) Hey, Bush, it's called "reality"? Things are what they are?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 07/18/2008
- LarsGruber I'm a Fan of LarsGruber 34 fans permalink

was there any reason given for the b*sh flip flop?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 07/18/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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we don't need no stinkin' reasons

duh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 07/18/2008

Ummm...because McCrank'y's down 20 points, and Wachovia and Bank of America will annouce record losses and ask Ben for a bailout on Sunday afternoon?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 07/18/2008
- LarsGruber I'm a Fan of LarsGruber 34 fans permalink

but that would infer that b*sh is pandering...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 07/18/2008

He's doing his level best to give Magoo a fighting chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 07/18/2008
- hope I'm a Fan of hope 76 fans permalink

Poor George.

He thought General Time Horizon was General Petraeus' replacement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 07/18/2008

Next up: General Panic followed by General Chaos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 07/18/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 148 fans permalink
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And Major Disaster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 07/18/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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Sad but too true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 07/18/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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I report to General Disdain.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 07/18/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 07/18/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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So there!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 07/18/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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totes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 07/18/2008

When are Americans the Stupid are going to understand that a president, CEO, media, religious leader can say anything without prove or evidence...they can say the war is won...the economy is fine, Jack is having an affair with Jill ...and you will go to heaven if you tithe at 15 %....and you believe it? no wonder you can't catch a bouncing football...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 07/18/2008
- turfkiller I'm a Fan of turfkiller 5 fans permalink

This is nothing more than the do everything wrong Republicans trying to tie the hands of the new administration.

Both Bush like McCain are loose cannons with a preference of shooting us in our feet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 07/18/2008
- jneems I'm a Fan of jneems 13 fans permalink
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Who needs troups when you have Blackwater? Who are these people trying to kid?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 07/18/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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I'm getting a gun for the sole reason that BW is moving into town

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 07/18/2008

Whaaaat...did they manage to override the SD city council, kellygrrrl? Or did they move their planned operation somewhere else?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 07/18/2008
- Wilburrr I'm a Fan of Wilburrr 16 fans permalink
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Your death would be short and quick if you decide to go against those button holes. I would suggest we both move to Costa Rica, but I want to stick around long enough to see what happens when someone in the new administration suggests that there is no place for them here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 07/18/2008
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Let's parse this thing. First, let's look at what a time horizon is:

"A time horizon, also known as a planning horizon, is a fixed point of time in the future at which point certain processes will be evaluated or assumed to end. It is necessary in an accounting, finance or risk management regime to assign such a fixed horizon time so that alternatives can be evaluated for performance over the same period of time."

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_horizon)

There are several points here. First, a time horizon requires a specific interval of time. A general time horizon generally refers to a time horizon that is so long an interval of time that putting precise units to it is meaningless (e.g., 10 years vs 12 years).

Secondly, the fact that the use of a the term "time horizon" as opposed to a more firm term is significant, given the fact that the term is often used to indicate a period of time over which something is evaluated (though, admittedly, it can mean a terminal date.)

So - the whole thing can be paraphrased as:

"Lets watch how things go for a while, and then make a decision."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 07/18/2008
- hope I'm a Fan of hope 76 fans permalink

8 years.

The 'General Time Horizon' it took Flubya to literally destroy this country.

(and a few other countries too).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 07/18/2008

8 years and counting...it's going to take a lot of years to fix this mess, too. Sadly, Bush's legacy will be passed on to future generations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 07/18/2008
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Mission Accomplished!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 07/18/2008

And now Iraq is well on its way - soon it's a working country.
How very sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 07/18/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 82 fans permalink
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It is? How so? Reading too much Booo$hie PR?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 07/18/2008

Soon? I suspect the milestone of a 'working' Iraq is even farther down the road and indistinguishable from the horizon for Iraquis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 07/18/2008
- LeSamourai I'm a Fan of LeSamourai 16 fans permalink
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Very sad for you unthinking lemmings who can't just can't let go of your little wannabe rugged cowboy.

Little Brokebacks... or was that Brownback mountain?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 07/18/2008
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The "Decider" said......­...."Gener­al Time Horizon" = Go To He**......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 07/18/2008
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THE SPOON IS NOT A SPOON!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 07/18/2008

I don't know if I want to scream or pound my head against the wall!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 07/18/2008
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Which describes the republican healthcare plan in a nutshell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 07/18/2008
- Wilburrr I'm a Fan of Wilburrr 16 fans permalink
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There is an actual Republican health care plan? .... oh yeah... it's "Let the poor go to emergency rooms so the middle class can pay."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 07/18/2008

Imagine this: What would have been the status of Iraq today, if Obama had been president since 2000?

Answer: Saddam would have been in charge still, building his army and having a choke-hold on the oil price (much like Iran today).

Yes. that sure would have been nice...

No. I like that he's gone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 07/18/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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I am offended!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 07/18/2008

If only you could understand the mavericky maverickness of the mavericky goodness that flows through the mavericky veins of the mavericky candidate who will maverick his way into the mavericky White House, you could maverick a way to understand why you shouldn't be maverickly offended.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 07/18/2008

Groucho : But, but... I do understand it !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DztJWnLql5c

See ?


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 07/18/2008
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