Bush Agrees To "General Time Horizon" For Troop Reductions

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TERENCE HUNT | July 18, 2008 09:15 PM EST | AP

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President Bush pauses as he speaks with reporters after arriving at Ellington Field Friday, July 18, 2008 in Houston. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once-ironclad unwillingness to talk about any kind of deadline or timetable.

The announcement Friday put Bush in the position of offering to talk with Iraqi leaders about a politically charged issue that he adamantly has refused to discuss with the Democratic-led Congress at home. It also could complicate the presidential campaign arguments of Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama who have staked out starkly opposite stands about the unpopular war.

What's changed? The sharp reduction in violence in Iraq _ to the lowest level in four years _ has made the country's leaders increasingly confident and more assertive about its sovereignty, giving rise to demands for a specific plan for American forces to leave.

Iraq has leverage because the White House is struggling to salvage negotiations for a long-term agreement covering U.S. military operations there. The White House said its goal is to conclude that deal by the end of this month.

Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki talked about the stalled negotiations during a secure video conference on Thursday, agreeing "on a common way forward to conclude these negotiations as soon as possible," a White House statement said.

The two leaders agreed that improvements in security should allow for the negotiations "to include a general time horizon for meeting aspirational goals, such as the resumption of Iraqi security control in their cities and provinces and the further reduction of U.S. combat forces from Iraq," the White House said.

Bush repeatedly has vetoed legislation approved by Congress setting deadlines for American troop cutbacks.

Friday's White House statement was intentionally vague and did not specify what kind of timelines were envisioned. That allows Iraqi officials, who are facing elections in the fall, to argue they are not beholden to Washington or willing to tolerate a permanent military presence in Iraq. For Bush, it points the way toward a legal framework for keeping American troops in Iraq after a U.N. mandate expires on Dec. 31.

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"The agreement will look at goal dates for transition of responsibilities and missions," said Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for Bush's National Security Council. "The focus is on the Iraqi assumption of missions, not on what troop levels will be."

As for the campaign to elect a new commander in chief, McCain firmly opposes any withdrawal timetable while Obama pledges to pull out combat troops within 16 months. By talking about a "time horizon," Bush appeared at odds with McCain and could make his own GOP administration a tougher target for Obama's anti-war barbs.

McCain issued a statement saying, "Progress between the United States and Iraq on a time horizon for American troop presence is further evidence that the surge has succeeded. ... If we had followed Sen. Obama's policy, Iraq would have descended into chaos, American casualties would be far higher, and the region would be destabilized."

However, Ben Rose, a senior adviser to Obama, said, "It's another indication that the administration is moving toward ... Sen. Obama's position on negotiating the removal of our forces as part of our ongoing discussions with the Iraqi government."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Bush wasn't going far enough. "After rejecting 18 months of attempts by the Democratic majority in Congress to adopt redeployment timetables, the president now proposes a vague general time horizon that falls far short of a commitment to ending our involvement in Iraq," she said.

Democratic Rep. William Delahunt of Massachusetts, who has led House hearings on the planned agreement with Iraq, said the "time horizon" cited by the White House was "very vague and nebulous." He also said the agreement taking shape seemed "far less grandiose than what was initially articulated."

Iraq has proposed requiring U.S. forces to fully withdraw five years after the Iraqis take the lead on security nationwide _ though that condition could take years to meet. Iraq's national security adviser, Mouwaffak al-Rubaie, said this month that Baghdad would not accept any security deal unless it contained specific dates for U.S. troop withdrawals.

So far, the United States has handed control of 10 of 18 provinces to Iraqi officials. "Obviously, if Iraqis are assuming more missions, then you need less American troops," Johndroe said.

The White House sought to make a distinction between talking with Iraqis about withdrawals and attempts by Congress to force cutbacks.

"I think it's important to remember that the discussions about timeline issues previously were from Democrats in Congress who wanted to arbitrarily retreat from Iraq without consideration of conditions on the ground," said White House deputy press secretary Scott Stanzel, who was traveling with Bush in Tucson, Ariz.

"All of the discussions that we have always had have been based on conditions on the ground and making progress in the country, and we are doing just that," Stanzel said. "We are making progress on the security situation. The number of attacks has dropped dramatically in recent months."

A major troop buildup ordered by Bush in January 2007 has ended. In recent days, the 3rd Infantry Division's 2nd Brigade, the last of the five additional combat brigades sent in last year, left the country. There are still 150,000 U.S. troops in Iraq _ as many as 15,000 more than before the buildup began.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on Wednesday that he is likely to recommend further troop reductions this fall because security has improved.

WASHINGTON — President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once...
WASHINGTON — President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once...
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I have one question. WTF is a "general time horizon," anyway? That sounds like something that Laura gives him when she's shopping for shoes at the Galleria.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 07/18/2008

My question too. That sounds like one of those corporate mitigations that get wrapped into an SOP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 07/18/2008
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Has anyone checked to make certain that "General Time Horizon" isn't really the name of Petraeus' replacement?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 07/18/2008
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LOL Took my words out of my mouth blast it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 07/18/2008
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Let's see: P-etraeus rhymed with Betray Us.

What does "General Time Horizon" rhyme with?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 07/18/2008
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"General Time Horizon"

Wasn't there a science fiction movie by that name about 10 years ago? It was about a giant black hole? Everyone died?

Yeah, apt name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 07/18/2008
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Rachel is kickin right-wing tool a$$.

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per yoosh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 07/18/2008
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Oh what does that mean?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 07/18/2008
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So GWB flatly rejects timetables and troop withdrawals.

But he wants a "Time Horizon" and "Deep Cuts in Troop Levels".

Stephen Colbert can not make this sh*t up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 07/18/2008
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In GOP land, a time horizon is not a time line, just as sending a delegation to talk to Iran is not negotiating with terrorists.

All you have to do is change up the words and presto! "Straight Talk"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 07/18/2008

The administration claim on NBC this evening was that the difference is a lack of hard dates.

No one advocated for hard dates that would be publicized. So their 'difference' has no substance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 07/18/2008
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And t-orture is "robust interr-ogation"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 07/18/2008

A 'time horizon'?! That's just a made-up phrase with no discernible meaning! How can anyone be held accountable to achieve something within a 'time horizon'?

I don't acknowledge the splurge is a success. Cipher the cost in dollars, American lives, the lives of Iraqi civilians, and the loss of control in Afghanistan during the splurge. The result does not equal success.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 07/18/2008
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The Splurge!! Haha good one

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 07/18/2008

Call it what you will. The surge is a success. And Obama wanted it killed 2 years ago, which would have lead to chaos in Iraq.

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Cheers !

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 07/18/2008

Me am gtrull and me approof dis messuge.

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is Rachel Maddow rockin' an Elvis 'do tonight?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 07/18/2008
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You know it........­.....:)

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somebody post a link to that kevin james guy on hardball calling O an appeaser over and over again.

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I was thinking the same thing!! That appeasing bas tard!!!

Here you go, darling:

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This one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbvMdHoOrQQ&feature=related

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A classic...­........

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damn, gotta go. kids in a play. don't have to much fun wihtout me;P

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did bush throw mcsame under the bus???? sure sound like it....... i can't believe bush is actually taking obama ideas.....­..........­.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 07/18/2008
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The Senator from Illinois will have my vote come this November. And he will be our next leader of the free world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 07/18/2008

"Leader of the Free World" is a phrase only Americans apply to the President.

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Preznit of ware?

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I'm an American. Born and raised in Oklahoma. My people are Cherokee. And I live in Oklahoma.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 07/18/2008

Maybe six months from now we'll have a right to say it again, VB.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 07/18/2008

And, lately, it doesn't seem to apply to America.

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