Bush Agrees To "General Time Horizon" For Troop Reductions

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TERENCE HUNT | July 18, 2008 09:15 PM EST | AP

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President Bush pauses as he speaks with reporters after arriving at Ellington Field Friday, July 18, 2008 in Houston. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once-ironclad unwillingness to talk about any kind of deadline or timetable.

The announcement Friday put Bush in the position of offering to talk with Iraqi leaders about a politically charged issue that he adamantly has refused to discuss with the Democratic-led Congress at home. It also could complicate the presidential campaign arguments of Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama who have staked out starkly opposite stands about the unpopular war.

What's changed? The sharp reduction in violence in Iraq _ to the lowest level in four years _ has made the country's leaders increasingly confident and more assertive about its sovereignty, giving rise to demands for a specific plan for American forces to leave.

Iraq has leverage because the White House is struggling to salvage negotiations for a long-term agreement covering U.S. military operations there. The White House said its goal is to conclude that deal by the end of this month.

Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki talked about the stalled negotiations during a secure video conference on Thursday, agreeing "on a common way forward to conclude these negotiations as soon as possible," a White House statement said.

The two leaders agreed that improvements in security should allow for the negotiations "to include a general time horizon for meeting aspirational goals, such as the resumption of Iraqi security control in their cities and provinces and the further reduction of U.S. combat forces from Iraq," the White House said.

Bush repeatedly has vetoed legislation approved by Congress setting deadlines for American troop cutbacks.

Friday's White House statement was intentionally vague and did not specify what kind of timelines were envisioned. That allows Iraqi officials, who are facing elections in the fall, to argue they are not beholden to Washington or willing to tolerate a permanent military presence in Iraq. For Bush, it points the way toward a legal framework for keeping American troops in Iraq after a U.N. mandate expires on Dec. 31.

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"The agreement will look at goal dates for transition of responsibilities and missions," said Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for Bush's National Security Council. "The focus is on the Iraqi assumption of missions, not on what troop levels will be."

As for the campaign to elect a new commander in chief, McCain firmly opposes any withdrawal timetable while Obama pledges to pull out combat troops within 16 months. By talking about a "time horizon," Bush appeared at odds with McCain and could make his own GOP administration a tougher target for Obama's anti-war barbs.

McCain issued a statement saying, "Progress between the United States and Iraq on a time horizon for American troop presence is further evidence that the surge has succeeded. ... If we had followed Sen. Obama's policy, Iraq would have descended into chaos, American casualties would be far higher, and the region would be destabilized."

However, Ben Rose, a senior adviser to Obama, said, "It's another indication that the administration is moving toward ... Sen. Obama's position on negotiating the removal of our forces as part of our ongoing discussions with the Iraqi government."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Bush wasn't going far enough. "After rejecting 18 months of attempts by the Democratic majority in Congress to adopt redeployment timetables, the president now proposes a vague general time horizon that falls far short of a commitment to ending our involvement in Iraq," she said.

Democratic Rep. William Delahunt of Massachusetts, who has led House hearings on the planned agreement with Iraq, said the "time horizon" cited by the White House was "very vague and nebulous." He also said the agreement taking shape seemed "far less grandiose than what was initially articulated."

Iraq has proposed requiring U.S. forces to fully withdraw five years after the Iraqis take the lead on security nationwide _ though that condition could take years to meet. Iraq's national security adviser, Mouwaffak al-Rubaie, said this month that Baghdad would not accept any security deal unless it contained specific dates for U.S. troop withdrawals.

So far, the United States has handed control of 10 of 18 provinces to Iraqi officials. "Obviously, if Iraqis are assuming more missions, then you need less American troops," Johndroe said.

The White House sought to make a distinction between talking with Iraqis about withdrawals and attempts by Congress to force cutbacks.

"I think it's important to remember that the discussions about timeline issues previously were from Democrats in Congress who wanted to arbitrarily retreat from Iraq without consideration of conditions on the ground," said White House deputy press secretary Scott Stanzel, who was traveling with Bush in Tucson, Ariz.

"All of the discussions that we have always had have been based on conditions on the ground and making progress in the country, and we are doing just that," Stanzel said. "We are making progress on the security situation. The number of attacks has dropped dramatically in recent months."

A major troop buildup ordered by Bush in January 2007 has ended. In recent days, the 3rd Infantry Division's 2nd Brigade, the last of the five additional combat brigades sent in last year, left the country. There are still 150,000 U.S. troops in Iraq _ as many as 15,000 more than before the buildup began.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on Wednesday that he is likely to recommend further troop reductions this fall because security has improved.

WASHINGTON — President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once...
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- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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I guess someone hit the "reset" button on this thread so the mindless minions of the neo-conmen wouldn't be embarrassed again.

It's hard to believe any sight can be this poorly administered ... so I can only conclude that it's either hacked, or it's controlled by the same people who control the White House.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 07/18/2008
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I've had no trouble posting here, Jimmy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 07/18/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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Thanks for proving my point.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 07/18/2008

It's all about clicks and advertising revenue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 07/18/2008
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If it were as simple as that, they wouldn't frustrate people and drive them away, at the same time they cultivate mindlessness.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 07/18/2008
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 163 fans permalink

The GOP understands Mr. Obama is coming to town. And I love it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 07/18/2008
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So GWB has seen the writing on the wall and adopted BHO's plan for Iraq.

Isn't it great that even though BHO has not even been elected yet, he is already moving US foreign policy in the right direction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 07/18/2008

Agreed. And he's going to meet with the heads of state in Europe to fix things a bit more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 07/18/2008

About time we send a statesman overseas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 07/18/2008
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I am sure the World Leaders will be very happy to welcome someone who can speak in complete sentences, can enunciate and articulate our aspirations without being condescending, and has more than a perfunctory interest in the host country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 07/18/2008
- Daly I'm a Fan of Daly 19 fans permalink

meanwhile back at camp crusty; cain and day pull out the time capsule footage, Metamucil an their crystal ball.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 07/18/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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yes, it is
but you know he won't get credit for it

worse, he'll still be slammed every time he explains an idea

they'll rip him to shreds
then steal his idea

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 07/18/2008

Heckfire that is the Ree Publicane way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 07/18/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 289 fans permalink
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BO's plan would have had us out of Iraq by now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 07/18/2008

Proof?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 07/18/2008
- LeSamourai I'm a Fan of LeSamourai 16 fans permalink
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Wrong.

But in all truth, if Obama's reasoning had been the voice of reason in the first place... we'd have never been in this mess and the United States would still be a respected nation and we would not be the debtor nation that we have become.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 07/18/2008

Obamas plan was to cut and run 2 years ago. Instead we have success - through the surge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 07/18/2008

The surge.. thats so funny, its being used like its a different war.. like its not the same iraq war..... how funny the paid bloggers are... and yes 2 yrs ago... about 2,000 american lives ago... about i dont know half a trillion dollars ago....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 07/18/2008

NBC has opened the evening news tonight with a piece making it clear that there is little difference between a "time line" and a "time horizon".

Better than I expected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 07/18/2008

The tide is turning...and they can read the writing on the wall.

If I may be excused for mixing metaphors ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 07/18/2008

They don't want their previous cheer leading to come back and bite them.

They understand the internals of the polling data.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 07/18/2008
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You mix your metaphors, I'm mix myself a drink. Cheers!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 07/18/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 161 fans permalink
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Mix away, old chap, mix away. Puree and frappe them if you like.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 07/18/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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let me know when you start mixing cocktails

it is Friday

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 07/18/2008
- JackND I'm a Fan of JackND 27 fans permalink

This administration bends over backwards to not admit that the opposition might have been remotely right.

Look at the contortions they went through to craft a "different" term for it...

"Time horizon"...what the @#$%^& is that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 07/18/2008
- jimdog1954 I'm a Fan of jimdog1954 8 fans permalink
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"horizon"is like "tomorrow", it never comes. You can see the horizon, but you can't walk to it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 07/18/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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CBS the rapidly rising credit card defaults. The Banks put their money into commodities, drove the price of oil up, and now their customers are are defaulting on their loans.

The King has squeezed all the blood from the horse it's riding on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 07/18/2008
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Amazing, isn't it? How many hours did they spend trying to come up with a phrase that was as non-descript and vanilla as possible? The horizon is waaaaay out there somewhere, I'm sure!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 07/18/2008
- jimdog1954 I'm a Fan of jimdog1954 8 fans permalink
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Five years after the impossible happens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 07/18/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 289 fans permalink
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On Nov 27, 2006, NBC formally declared Iraq to be in a state of civil war.

This declaration has not been rescinded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 07/18/2008
- bikerdude I'm a Fan of bikerdude 75 fans permalink
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So now the failed Bush administration is adopting at least some of the plans of Senator Obama. If it were not for Senator Obama insisting on timelines and the Iraq government also insisting on timelines, he had no choice. This is an attempt to make the republicans' image improve, but it is way too late. They started this war, executed it incompetently and refused to admit their mistakes. Now they are trying to gloss over all that by abruptly changing course...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 07/18/2008

I note that all libs in this thread, though outraged about the war, accept that the surge was a success. Though they avoid saying it out loud, instead choosing to focus on other stuff as a diversion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 07/18/2008

You are missing part of the facts. How about all of the bribes we have been giving the tribes to quell violence? How do you know if the bribes or the surge were more successful. You don't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 07/18/2008

Good point. We don't know how that will play out yet. Hopefully the violece won' t return when the pay-outs dry up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 07/18/2008
- bikerdude I'm a Fan of bikerdude 75 fans permalink
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this lib thinks the surge was a tragic mistake and just delayed the inevitable. A failed war, a failed presidency and a failed political party...Bush The Republican leader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 07/18/2008
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I'm a little confused. You invade a country for made up reasons, completely f**k it up for 5 years, and then you send in all military personnel we have (ignoring Afghanistan to their determent) and now violence is down and you are smug with our success? Why? Because we partially repaired our own f--k up?

Do you also spend your time crashing your car into people's living rooms and then taking credit for washing the b-lood off their floors?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 07/18/2008
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Nice analogy. That's about it exactly. And there's less FRESH blood lately too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 07/18/2008

I agree that the invasion was wrong. But the result seems to be good (after a few wasted years, I grant you that).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 07/18/2008
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As soon as you say "all libs this" or "all libs that" its clear you are a Rush Limbo listener, and whatever thoughts you are trying to express will be exceedingly shallow and outright false.

Think for yourself instead of just repeating what some blowhard hollers at you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 07/18/2008

Sorry, you're wrong. I don't even live in the US. I have never listened to Rush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 07/18/2008

Well done. That post earns you 30 Magoo points! Only 970 to go, and you can get the digital watch.

http://www.johnmccain.com/ActionCenter/BlogInteract/BlogInteract.aspx

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 07/18/2008
- LeSamourai I'm a Fan of LeSamourai 16 fans permalink
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LOL!
Gollum73 would probably likes a ring more than a nαsty digital watch...

Yes... he wants his "precious"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 07/18/2008

Nice! Please send me the digital watch when I've gathered enough points!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 07/18/2008
- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 32 fans permalink

.
"Cut and run!"

w's trying to undermine Obama's favor granted by US and the worlds' opposition to w's war by reversing direction now that he has exclusive no-bid contracts for his oil buddies. Maybe his unjust illegal invasion, destablization, and occupation of Iraq was for oil after all.


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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 07/18/2008

"ABC News, Washington Post Withheld Results Of Poll Favorable To O bama"

The Bahstids

Deserves better placement than on the "Media" page.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 07/18/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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It's ABC don't hope for much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 07/18/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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All is well in Disney Land.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 07/18/2008
- LeSamourai I'm a Fan of LeSamourai 16 fans permalink
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Good catch, VB... This should be a front page news article!
Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 07/18/2008

Gawd...you can dress a sorry old lush up in a $5,000 suit, but he's still a sorry old lush.

UGH

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 07/18/2008

No wonder Neo loves him so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 07/18/2008

Ah, yes...that would make him the Enabler, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 07/18/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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Mahgoo fer preznit!!

Way dey go!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 07/18/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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Tomb tablets (part from them a givin me a hed ake)

Supports them terrists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 07/18/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 161 fans permalink
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You've been reading too many posts by Cyril.... Either that or you've been getting elocution lessons in Hawaii!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 07/18/2008
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Elocution is what the current Preznet things they do to get info at Gitmo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 07/18/2008

Only a mavericky maverick filled with mavericky goodness can lead this mavericky nation in the mavericky direction of doing what the Democrats were saying to do all along.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 07/18/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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Yeah ... but is it a Bret Maverick ?? Or a Bart Maverick ?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 07/18/2008
- bikerdude I'm a Fan of bikerdude 75 fans permalink
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Truthiness will win out...Maverickicity or none...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 07/18/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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Welcome back daemon.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 07/18/2008

Well, at least he accepts there is a time to quit!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 07/18/2008

If that time is on the horizon, maybe not so much if it remains on the horizon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 07/18/2008
- rain39 I'm a Fan of rain39 6 fans permalink

Those stupid folks at the White House don't even know that time doesn't have a horizon. That's why it sounds so contorted and illiterate. Time is continuous. You can pick a time but it involves someone doing the act. It just doesn't sit there waiting to have its picture taken.

That is the most contorted sentence I have ever read. The Ivy League should be holding its head in shame if Bush actually wrote that news release. Of course it could be one of his hires where dogma was much more important than other intellectual skills.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 07/18/2008
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"Tomorrow, tomorrow; You're always a day away!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 07/18/2008

ROFL: That should be the theme song at the Republican Convention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 07/18/2008
- syllepsis I'm a Fan of syllepsis 24 fans permalink

This is the first war in which a foreign agent was given more weight than the opinions of our citizens or Congress.
Words do not describe how loathesome our so-called 'Commander-in-Chief' is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 07/18/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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At my nearest Jose Tejas, a sort of Tex-Mex franchise, there's a sign painted on the wall:

FREE CERVESA MANANA

It's good for a chuckle - but not for a foreign policy.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 07/18/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 161 fans permalink
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That's what religions have been telling us all through history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 07/18/2008
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No surprise, then, that so many adherents still support Bush's foreign failures.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 07/18/2008

Religion is just another insurance scam. After-life insurance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 07/18/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 07/18/2008
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Which explains why religious adherents still support BÏ…sh.

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