Bush Agrees To "General Time Horizon" For Troop Reductions

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TERENCE HUNT | July 18, 2008 09:15 PM EST | AP

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President Bush pauses as he speaks with reporters after arriving at Ellington Field Friday, July 18, 2008 in Houston. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once-ironclad unwillingness to talk about any kind of deadline or timetable.

The announcement Friday put Bush in the position of offering to talk with Iraqi leaders about a politically charged issue that he adamantly has refused to discuss with the Democratic-led Congress at home. It also could complicate the presidential campaign arguments of Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama who have staked out starkly opposite stands about the unpopular war.

What's changed? The sharp reduction in violence in Iraq _ to the lowest level in four years _ has made the country's leaders increasingly confident and more assertive about its sovereignty, giving rise to demands for a specific plan for American forces to leave.

Iraq has leverage because the White House is struggling to salvage negotiations for a long-term agreement covering U.S. military operations there. The White House said its goal is to conclude that deal by the end of this month.

Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki talked about the stalled negotiations during a secure video conference on Thursday, agreeing "on a common way forward to conclude these negotiations as soon as possible," a White House statement said.

The two leaders agreed that improvements in security should allow for the negotiations "to include a general time horizon for meeting aspirational goals, such as the resumption of Iraqi security control in their cities and provinces and the further reduction of U.S. combat forces from Iraq," the White House said.

Bush repeatedly has vetoed legislation approved by Congress setting deadlines for American troop cutbacks.

Friday's White House statement was intentionally vague and did not specify what kind of timelines were envisioned. That allows Iraqi officials, who are facing elections in the fall, to argue they are not beholden to Washington or willing to tolerate a permanent military presence in Iraq. For Bush, it points the way toward a legal framework for keeping American troops in Iraq after a U.N. mandate expires on Dec. 31.

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"The agreement will look at goal dates for transition of responsibilities and missions," said Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for Bush's National Security Council. "The focus is on the Iraqi assumption of missions, not on what troop levels will be."

As for the campaign to elect a new commander in chief, McCain firmly opposes any withdrawal timetable while Obama pledges to pull out combat troops within 16 months. By talking about a "time horizon," Bush appeared at odds with McCain and could make his own GOP administration a tougher target for Obama's anti-war barbs.

McCain issued a statement saying, "Progress between the United States and Iraq on a time horizon for American troop presence is further evidence that the surge has succeeded. ... If we had followed Sen. Obama's policy, Iraq would have descended into chaos, American casualties would be far higher, and the region would be destabilized."

However, Ben Rose, a senior adviser to Obama, said, "It's another indication that the administration is moving toward ... Sen. Obama's position on negotiating the removal of our forces as part of our ongoing discussions with the Iraqi government."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Bush wasn't going far enough. "After rejecting 18 months of attempts by the Democratic majority in Congress to adopt redeployment timetables, the president now proposes a vague general time horizon that falls far short of a commitment to ending our involvement in Iraq," she said.

Democratic Rep. William Delahunt of Massachusetts, who has led House hearings on the planned agreement with Iraq, said the "time horizon" cited by the White House was "very vague and nebulous." He also said the agreement taking shape seemed "far less grandiose than what was initially articulated."

Iraq has proposed requiring U.S. forces to fully withdraw five years after the Iraqis take the lead on security nationwide _ though that condition could take years to meet. Iraq's national security adviser, Mouwaffak al-Rubaie, said this month that Baghdad would not accept any security deal unless it contained specific dates for U.S. troop withdrawals.

So far, the United States has handed control of 10 of 18 provinces to Iraqi officials. "Obviously, if Iraqis are assuming more missions, then you need less American troops," Johndroe said.

The White House sought to make a distinction between talking with Iraqis about withdrawals and attempts by Congress to force cutbacks.

"I think it's important to remember that the discussions about timeline issues previously were from Democrats in Congress who wanted to arbitrarily retreat from Iraq without consideration of conditions on the ground," said White House deputy press secretary Scott Stanzel, who was traveling with Bush in Tucson, Ariz.

"All of the discussions that we have always had have been based on conditions on the ground and making progress in the country, and we are doing just that," Stanzel said. "We are making progress on the security situation. The number of attacks has dropped dramatically in recent months."

A major troop buildup ordered by Bush in January 2007 has ended. In recent days, the 3rd Infantry Division's 2nd Brigade, the last of the five additional combat brigades sent in last year, left the country. There are still 150,000 U.S. troops in Iraq _ as many as 15,000 more than before the buildup began.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on Wednesday that he is likely to recommend further troop reductions this fall because security has improved.

WASHINGTON — President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once...
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- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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"Bu bu burrit..t'­aint a time table a**hole".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 07/18/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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Curran runn?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 07/18/2008
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This just in: The B-ush administration has hired Stephen C-olbert to coin all future policy catch phrases!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 07/18/2008

A sentiment rife with truthiness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 07/18/2008
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Our new goal will be Victoriness? Successiness? Victoriness Accomplished?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 07/18/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 429 fans permalink
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Meanwhile.­..

McGoo and Booosh disclosed today that O will be landing in Iraq on the weekend - violating policy in announcing the schedules for politicians in a warzone.

Can you f&^king believe these guys?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 07/18/2008
- syllepsis I'm a Fan of syllepsis 24 fans permalink

Those two should spend the rest of their lives in that f*king warzone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 07/18/2008
- suzyhein I'm a Fan of suzyhein 63 fans permalink
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IHATETHESE­FUCKINGGUY­S

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 07/18/2008

In short: The surge was a success.
The republicans were right. The democrats - and Obama - wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 07/18/2008
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Why did they go into Iraq in the first place?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 07/18/2008

"Weekends of mashed consumptio­n...*hic*"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 07/18/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 429 fans permalink
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Gotham,

The surge was nothing more than an increase in troops to show a measure of success, and to give talking points of that success to those who don't follow the story, which is why we went in in the first place.

To say the surge was a success is to argue that you were able to capture and brush a small amount of s**t off a one-dollar bill after flushing your wallet into the toilet (killing 4000 troops and 150,000 innocent civilians, in this case). And you want to wave it around for people to applaud?

Wow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 07/18/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 148 fans permalink
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Now THAT'S an analogy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 07/18/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 148 fans permalink
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Like we say here in Hawaii...

Whatevah.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 07/18/2008
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Sure, no problem, afterall, what's 150,000 Iraqi lives, 2 million displaced refuges, 4000 d-ead American soldiers, 1 trillion tax dollars, a seriously strengthened Iran, and Al Quada and the Taliban as strong as ever in Afghanistan, among friends?

Remind me again. How many Al Quada terrorists were in Iraq BEFORE we invaded?

Remind me again. How many weapons of mass destruction were discovered after we invaded?

Mission Accomplished!

When's the invasion of Iran? Don't want to miss it! I'll pop the popcorn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 07/18/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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I'd love to know what the "surge" has done to undo the last 5+ years of indignity, torture, destruction, rape, privation, suffering, displacement and death of Iraqis. Can you answer that? Even if you created mass amnesia overnight, they'd still wake up tomorrow without clean water, sewage treatment or 24 hours of electricity. Their friends and relatives would still be maimed, dead or displaced. They'd still become victims of kidnapping, torture and murder at the hands of their fellow countrymen. They'd still be asked to live with terrorist bombings.

Let me know as soon as the "surge" brings back the lives of the American military men and women that have been thrown away in service to this failed neo-conman fantasy. Let me know the moment the surge makes the blind see and the lame walk.

Let us all know the very second that the "surge" refills our public coffers with a trillion wasted dollars.

I don't want to miss a moment of this "winning" that you're describing.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 07/18/2008
- Tobiasism I'm a Fan of Tobiasism 7 fans permalink

"A general time horizon for meeting aspirational goals"

like a timetaable for getting the f#@k out of there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 07/18/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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Careful or this will be the horizon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzwBLSgpeh0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 07/18/2008

I'll see your post and raise you this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIygewAGJZc

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 07/18/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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That one is very funny.

This is my favorite so far.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaooVeumTW0&feature=related

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 07/18/2008
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Ahhahaha! Nice one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 07/18/2008
- joekerr I'm a Fan of joekerr 11 fans permalink

I am not really one for conspiracy theories, but peep this. This couldn't come at a better time for the people who have "business interests" in Iraq. The Iraqi government just opened up its oil fields for bidding and exploration, Turkey just finished building dams across both the Tigris and the Euphrates rivers. Halliburton and Bechtel and Siemens AG now control one of the most precious resources in the Middle East, which of course ain't oil, it's water. One of the strongest threats Rumsfield ever made about insurgents was the one that concerned blowing up dams. If your big business, it's time to end the war and share in the spoils. Little George and Cheney are on their way out and probably lined up for a job at the Carlyle Group. It's time to cash in folks. This was never, ever about terrorists but about controlling the assets that exist in the Middle East. If you really think about it in terms of business, instead of the standard "freedom fight" that Bush is always talking about it, you won't be suprised at this talk of withdrawal at all. All the pieces are now in place and Bush and Cheney and all their friends are off to go dip their toes in the fruits of their bloody labor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 07/18/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 148 fans permalink
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You said a mouthful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 07/18/2008
- LOL123 I'm a Fan of LOL123 2 fans permalink

Two reasons for this:

1. increase troops in Afganistan
2. Russia has signed a gas and oil contract with Tehran

We want to ease the boarder tension because India (our gasline) does business with Tehran....­oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. Mostly to us Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 07/18/2008
- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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Horizon = An imaginary line that recedes as you approach it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 07/18/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 690 fans permalink
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its under the rainbow,i think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 07/18/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 690 fans permalink
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i think its next to the pot o' gold at the end of a rainbow.i think bush should take a walk about and go find it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 07/18/2008
- GuyFawkes I'm a Fan of GuyFawkes 28 fans permalink

Mike Barnicle is subbing on Hardball, and, man, he can barely contain his disdain for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 07/18/2008
- drumz I'm a Fan of drumz 59 fans permalink
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So the dips that branded Kerry with flip flop have now taken it to such a perfected art form can only be defined now as FLIP FLOPPERS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 07/18/2008

To give credit where credit is due....'Ge­neral Time Horizon' is a masterful piece of wording. It's a great big pile of steaming linguistic NOTHING. Masterfully done, really.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 07/18/2008

Optimistic enough for the true believers, militaristic enough for the jack-booted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 07/18/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 148 fans permalink
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And vague enough for plausible denial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 07/18/2008

True. And this from the party who crucified Clinton over his parsing of the language.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 07/18/2008
- PixieThis I'm a Fan of PixieThis 53 fans permalink
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One could say it's "Orwelian" ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 07/18/2008

Well, hellooooooooooo! ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 07/18/2008
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The rethugs know that they are losing and losing bad. Look for the B-ush administration to "sound" more and more like democrats to position McGoo better for the November election. "Sound", of course is the operative word. A slug by any other name is still a slug.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 07/18/2008
- Tobiasism I'm a Fan of Tobiasism 7 fans permalink

Mr. Magoo; I like that one

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 07/18/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 690 fans permalink
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bush agrees with obama ,now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 07/18/2008
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