Bush Agrees To "General Time Horizon" For Troop Reductions

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TERENCE HUNT | July 18, 2008 09:15 PM EST | AP

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President Bush pauses as he speaks with reporters after arriving at Ellington Field Friday, July 18, 2008 in Houston. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once-ironclad unwillingness to talk about any kind of deadline or timetable.

The announcement Friday put Bush in the position of offering to talk with Iraqi leaders about a politically charged issue that he adamantly has refused to discuss with the Democratic-led Congress at home. It also could complicate the presidential campaign arguments of Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama who have staked out starkly opposite stands about the unpopular war.

What's changed? The sharp reduction in violence in Iraq _ to the lowest level in four years _ has made the country's leaders increasingly confident and more assertive about its sovereignty, giving rise to demands for a specific plan for American forces to leave.

Iraq has leverage because the White House is struggling to salvage negotiations for a long-term agreement covering U.S. military operations there. The White House said its goal is to conclude that deal by the end of this month.

Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki talked about the stalled negotiations during a secure video conference on Thursday, agreeing "on a common way forward to conclude these negotiations as soon as possible," a White House statement said.

The two leaders agreed that improvements in security should allow for the negotiations "to include a general time horizon for meeting aspirational goals, such as the resumption of Iraqi security control in their cities and provinces and the further reduction of U.S. combat forces from Iraq," the White House said.

Bush repeatedly has vetoed legislation approved by Congress setting deadlines for American troop cutbacks.

Friday's White House statement was intentionally vague and did not specify what kind of timelines were envisioned. That allows Iraqi officials, who are facing elections in the fall, to argue they are not beholden to Washington or willing to tolerate a permanent military presence in Iraq. For Bush, it points the way toward a legal framework for keeping American troops in Iraq after a U.N. mandate expires on Dec. 31.

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"The agreement will look at goal dates for transition of responsibilities and missions," said Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for Bush's National Security Council. "The focus is on the Iraqi assumption of missions, not on what troop levels will be."

As for the campaign to elect a new commander in chief, McCain firmly opposes any withdrawal timetable while Obama pledges to pull out combat troops within 16 months. By talking about a "time horizon," Bush appeared at odds with McCain and could make his own GOP administration a tougher target for Obama's anti-war barbs.

McCain issued a statement saying, "Progress between the United States and Iraq on a time horizon for American troop presence is further evidence that the surge has succeeded. ... If we had followed Sen. Obama's policy, Iraq would have descended into chaos, American casualties would be far higher, and the region would be destabilized."

However, Ben Rose, a senior adviser to Obama, said, "It's another indication that the administration is moving toward ... Sen. Obama's position on negotiating the removal of our forces as part of our ongoing discussions with the Iraqi government."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Bush wasn't going far enough. "After rejecting 18 months of attempts by the Democratic majority in Congress to adopt redeployment timetables, the president now proposes a vague general time horizon that falls far short of a commitment to ending our involvement in Iraq," she said.

Democratic Rep. William Delahunt of Massachusetts, who has led House hearings on the planned agreement with Iraq, said the "time horizon" cited by the White House was "very vague and nebulous." He also said the agreement taking shape seemed "far less grandiose than what was initially articulated."

Iraq has proposed requiring U.S. forces to fully withdraw five years after the Iraqis take the lead on security nationwide _ though that condition could take years to meet. Iraq's national security adviser, Mouwaffak al-Rubaie, said this month that Baghdad would not accept any security deal unless it contained specific dates for U.S. troop withdrawals.

So far, the United States has handed control of 10 of 18 provinces to Iraqi officials. "Obviously, if Iraqis are assuming more missions, then you need less American troops," Johndroe said.

The White House sought to make a distinction between talking with Iraqis about withdrawals and attempts by Congress to force cutbacks.

"I think it's important to remember that the discussions about timeline issues previously were from Democrats in Congress who wanted to arbitrarily retreat from Iraq without consideration of conditions on the ground," said White House deputy press secretary Scott Stanzel, who was traveling with Bush in Tucson, Ariz.

"All of the discussions that we have always had have been based on conditions on the ground and making progress in the country, and we are doing just that," Stanzel said. "We are making progress on the security situation. The number of attacks has dropped dramatically in recent months."

A major troop buildup ordered by Bush in January 2007 has ended. In recent days, the 3rd Infantry Division's 2nd Brigade, the last of the five additional combat brigades sent in last year, left the country. There are still 150,000 U.S. troops in Iraq _ as many as 15,000 more than before the buildup began.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on Wednesday that he is likely to recommend further troop reductions this fall because security has improved.

WASHINGTON — President Bush and Iraq's prime minister have agreed to set a "general time horizon" for bringing more U.S. troops home from the war, a dramatic shift from the administration's once...
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ROFL.. I find it so funny how it seem like every talking point that Obama has put out, from negotions with our enemy's , the war in Iraq, Alfaganistan, etc.. with every passing day someone in this adminstration is doing it??? So sounds like Barack Obama has the JUDGEMENT that makes him best to be commander and chief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 07/18/2008
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"General Time Horizon" - could Bush & the Repubs be more obvious in their twisting of terminology for 'troop withdrawal'?? Good Lord they are so repugnant in the way they talk down to us all, treat the public like fools. Please, Bush et al, just go away forever & let the U.S. be led by someone honest, intelligent, and spin-free. You can't even admit what your words mean. So sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 07/18/2008
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A certainty is that if after the November elections we find ourselves saddled with another GOP prez, we will attack Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 07/18/2008
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Absolutely. And I'd like to see this issue brought to the forefront of voters minds, before they make the mistake of thinking that McGoo is no different than O regarding foreign policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 07/18/2008

That's probably the best argument for impeachment and criminal prosecutions for Bush and Cheney I could think of, it would leave us with a sane senate controlled war reaction process, something we do not have now for sure. The amount of damage Bush is still doing with obstructionist vetos and willful edicts is unacceptable. The very real possibility that he could trigger an all out war that really would be problematic from a strength of opposition standpoint is unthinkable.

Let them have their oil and we can focus billions of dollars a month at alternative energy that will more than take the pressure off in a few short years. What got spent on this iraq "war" would have eliminated any demand for foreign oil in this short time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 07/18/2008
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If we haven't already done so before the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 07/18/2008
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"Time Horizon for Withdrawal" = "Obama's Inauguration".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 07/18/2008
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We shattered Iraq into a thousand tiny pieces and all the kings horse and all the kings men will never put Iraq back together again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 07/18/2008

What we need to create a untied Iraq is a militant strongman who can enforce order and keep the peace.

Oops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 07/18/2008
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Like Sadam H-ussein.....................oops!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 07/18/2008
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I think an untied Iraq is a mistake. They're just going to be tripping over their shoelaces. Don't you think we've hurt them enough?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 07/18/2008
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No "General Time Horizon", no pretense of "achievement", no claim of "victory" shall ever make up for the fact that we should have never invaded Iraq in the first place and that more than 4,000 Americans died because of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 07/18/2008
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Mahalo

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 07/18/2008
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You are completely correct.

I am celebrating the downturn in violence, I am celebrating the "horizon" of withdrawl, I am celebrating the fact that Iraq has a better chance now than it did a year ago...

...But none of that makes up for the crimes committed by GW.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 07/18/2008
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Don't let the ghosts of those who've died over the past year for no good reason interrupt your celebration.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 07/18/2008

Please don't choke on your champagne.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 07/18/2008
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One thing remains constant and consistent. The GOP belief in the stupidity of the American people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 07/18/2008
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And B-ush having been elected twice (well once really) only goes to prove it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 07/18/2008
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I guess the posters they're trying to cultivate here are children who like jumping through hoops of fire to get their thoughts up on the board. Sort of like learning the different levels of a video game. And most of the trolls don't have a problem posting.

HuffPo has become Donkey Kong.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 07/18/2008
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I can't WAIT for Bush to walk his butt out of the White House for the last time next January!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 07/18/2008

They can't say "War Escalation" so they say "Surge". They can't say "Time Table" so they now say "General Time Horizon"?

WTF?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 07/18/2008

The Chimperor's English

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 07/18/2008
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Speak with = appease.

Until you speak with, at which time it again becomes "speak with" as in Iran.

Amazing, isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 07/18/2008
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you can never reach the horizon can you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 07/18/2008
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if you run fast enough!run,forrest ..er..george,run!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 07/18/2008

In truth, we will probably spend something pretty close to the value of the Iraqui oil reserves conducting the war there. The USGS estimates proven reserves in Iraq to be 78 billion barrels and estimate undiscovered reserves at 14 billion barrels. At the price of oil when we invaded of $23.65 (average of may weekly prices for 2003), the value of the proven and potential reserves would be $2.18 trillion.

The war's total cost, according to an AP article: "Beyond 2008, working with "best-case" and "realistic-moderate" scenarios, they project the Iraq and Afghan wars, including long-term U.S. military occupations of those countries, will cost the U.S. budget between $1.7 trillion and $2.7 trillion " or more " by 2017. Interest on money borrowed to pay those costs could alone add $816 billion to that bottom line, they say."

Add the cost of lives lost and people displaced and it is clear we are striking a very poor 'bargain'.

Never let a re pu ke manage your budget.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 07/18/2008
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Well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 07/18/2008

Why doesn't this post get awarded a Huffy best comment?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 07/18/2008

Thanks, Groucho.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 07/18/2008
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This so called "time horizon" is politics at its worst. Business as usual for the prez and his lap dog presidential candidate. How many of our's and their's have perished in Iraq?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 07/18/2008
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It's become like a website for 9 year olds. We have to find euphemisms for half the words we'd use, including the names of the people in the headline over the thread.

I can see someone's put a lot of thought into this comments section ... or maybe not.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 07/18/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 07/18/2008
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8-\>

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 07/18/2008
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still needs to be charged with War Crimes and Treason -- no matter what he does from this point forward

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 07/18/2008
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War crimes are a real possibility.

But treason is not a legitimate charge, according to the definition in the Constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 07/18/2008
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if he was involved in the leak of a CIA agent's identity, that is Treason

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 07/18/2008
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Oath of the President:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Huh. Seems that wiretapping alone violates this oath.

--- or ---

treason n the offense of attempting to overthrow the government of one's country or of assisting its enemies in war

Signing statements, refusal execute the law, breaking the law. You don't need to actually put people up against the wall and hand them a cigarette to make it a coup.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 07/18/2008
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Hmmm... if, God forbid, something were to happen to O because of McC's possibly leaking O's itinerary, would you call that treason?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 07/18/2008
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You should read Vincent Bugliosi's new book...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 07/18/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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HA! Even my glib sound bites don't get past the censors anymore.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 07/18/2008

I feel your pain, 8 LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 07/18/2008
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8~\>

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 07/18/2008
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Tom Cruise would not approve of your glibbness

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 07/18/2008
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