Obama Visits Afghanistan To Tour War Zone

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FISNIK ABRASHI | July 19, 2008 11:17 PM EST | AP

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In this photo released Saturday, July 19, 2008, by the the U.S. Army, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., shakes hands with service members at Camp Arifjan, Kuwait, Friday, July 18, 2008, during a Congressional Delegation visit. (AP Photo/U.S. Army, Jarod Perkioniemi)

KABUL, Afghanistan — Barack Obama visited Saturday with U.S. troops and Afghan officials in this war-weary nation, which is the focal point of his proposed strategy for dealing with threats to the U.S. if elected president.

While officially a part of a congressional delegation on a fact-finding tour expected to take him to Iraq, Obama was traveling Saturday amid the publicity and scrutiny accorded a likely Democratic nominee for president rather than a senator from Illinois. Security was tight and media access to Obama was limited by his campaign, and his itinerary in the war zones was a closely guarded secret.

Obama, dressed in light khaki colored trousers and a checkered shirt with his sleeves rolled up, and others in the delegation received a briefing inside the U.S. base in Jalalabad from the Afghan provincial governor of Nangarhar, Gul Agha Sherzai, a no-nonsense, bullish former warlord.

"Obama promised us that if he becomes a president in the future, he will support and help Afghanistan not only in its security sector but also in reconstruction, development and economic sector," Sherzai told The Associated Press.

The area where the meeting took place is not far from where Osama bin Laden escaped U.S. troops in 2001 after his al-Qaida terrorist group led the attacks on Sept. 11. With the ousted Taliban regime resurgent and given the al-Qaida goal of terrorizing the U.S., Obama has argued that the war in Afghanistan deserves more attention as well as more troops.

Obama's first overseas tour since securing the Democratic nomination _ he is scheduled to travel to Europe through next week _ could be key to honing his foreign policy strategy with less than four months before the election. His rival for the presidency, Republican Sen. John McCain, has criticized Obama for not spending more time in the region and for developing a policy without more firsthand knowledge.

In that vein, Obama was expected to meet with Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Sunday.

Traveling with Obama were Sens. Chuck Hagel, a Nebraska Republican, and Jack Reed, a Democrat from Rhode Island. Both military veterans, the senators have been mentioned as potential Obama vice presidential running mates, although Reed has said he's not interested in the job and Hagel would be an unlikely cross-party choice.

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At the start of their Afghan trip, the delegation met with top military leaders and troops at Bagram Air Field, the main U.S. military base north of the capital, before going to Jalalabad Air Field in Nangarhar province.

Before departing the U.S., Obama said he wanted to see "the situation on the ground."

"I want to, obviously, talk to the commanders and get a sense both in Afghanistan and in Baghdad of, you know, what the most, their biggest concerns are, and I want to thank our troops for the heroic work that they've been doing," he said.

A lack of time in the region has not stopped Obama from proposing significant changes to the war effort in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Obama advocates ending the U.S. combat role in Iraq by withdrawing troops at the rate of one to two combat brigades a month. He supports increasing the military commitment to Afghanistan, where the Taliban-led insurgency is at its strongest in seven years.

In an interview with German magazine Der Spiegel released Saturday, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki called Obama's suggestion of 16 months "the right timeframe for a withdrawal" and said U.S. troops should leave Iraq "as soon as possible." His statement was a sharp contrast to Bush administration policy, supported by McCain, opposing a set timetable for withdrawal.

U.S. military officials say the number of attacks in eastern Afghanistan, where most of the U.S. forces in the country operate, has gone up by 40 percent so far in 2008, compared to the same period in 2007.

The top U.S. commander in Iraq said Saturday that after intense U.S. assaults there, al-Qaida may be considering shifting focus to its original home base in Afghanistan, where American casualties are running higher than in Iraq.

"We do think that there is some assessment ongoing as to the continued viability of al-Qaida's fight in Iraq," Gen. David Petraeus told The Associated Press in an interview in Baghdad.

Obama has expressed frustration with Afghanistan's neighbor Pakistan's efforts to go after militants in its territory. He recently said that "If Pakistan cannot or will not act, we will take out high-level terrorist targets like bin Laden if we have them in our sights."

That stance may strike a chord with Karzai, who has directly accused Pakistan's intelligence service of supporting the Taliban insurgency plotting bombings and other attacks in Afghanistan _ claims that Pakistan, a key U.S. ally in its war on terror, flatly denies.

But Obama has also chided Karzai and his government, saying it had "not gotten out of the bunker" and helped to organize the country or its political and security institutions.

Violence is spiraling in Afghanistan, although foreign troops numbers are at their highest since the invasion: about 60,000 in all, including 36,000 Americans. They are bolstered by a steadily growing number of Western-trained Afghan army soldiers.

Obama has proposed sending two more combat brigades _ about 7,000 troops _ to Afghanistan. McCain is also advocating sending more forces to the war-battered country.

As a reminder of the challenges in Afghanistan, authorities reported Saturday that a roadside bomb killed four policemen in the volatile south where the Taliban insurgency is centered. A NATO soldier also was reported killed.

Few citizens in impoverished Afghanistan were aware of Obama's unannounced visit, and few have been following the U.S. presidential race, being too busy eking out an existence amid soaring violence and with limited access to news media.

But some interviewed Saturday said they would welcome an Obama presidency if he could help their country end the fighting, corruption and poverty that have crippled it for so long.

"Obama is a good person," said Abdul Basir, 40, a former army officer. "During his campaign I heard he was saying that if I become president I will withdraw the U.S. troops from Iraq and bring them to Afghanistan and I will attack on the terror center on other side of border (in Pakistan). It is very important and I appreciated that."

En route to Afghanistan, Obama stopped Friday at Camp Arifjan, the main U.S. military base in Kuwait and a major gateway for U.S. soldiers moving into and out of Iraq.

In video released Saturday by the military, Obama said the troops needed the support of Congress as well as the public and that it was critical that "we also have a strategy and a mission that allows you to do your jobs well but is also going to serve the larger strategic interests of the United States."

Obama played basketball with some troops and joked to those watching, "You came out here because you wanted to see me get beat by your fellow soldiers."

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Associated Press writers Amir Shah and Nahal Toosi in Kabul, Diana Elias in Kuwait City, and Glen Johnson in Washington contributed to this report.

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KABUL, Afghanistan — Barack Obama visited Saturday with U.S. troops and Afghan officials in this war-weary nation, which is the focal point of his proposed strategy for dealing with threats to t...
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- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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The Taliban a menace to the American way of life?

Not if you read your PDBs beforehand they most certainly are not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 07/19/2008

I think the link I've included here is an interesting piece, discussing what Sen. Obama is likely to find when his trip continues on to Europe.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121642093483266551.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 07/19/2008
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 162 fans permalink

U.S. to Iran: Cooperate or face confrontation

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25733175/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 07/19/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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The old

Heroic troops, fighting them over there to make us safer over here and the we are winning mantra

To open the door to the WH.

How original.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 07/19/2008
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Why don't we send B-ush and McGoo "over there" (permanently) so we don't have to have them "over here"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 07/19/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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Send the whole lot of them over there.

Prez, VP, Senate, House and SCOTUS.

I think they could all do with a Kabul holiday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 07/19/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 118 fans permalink
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They ain't fools - they'd send them back COD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 07/19/2008
- suzyhein I'm a Fan of suzyhein 63 fans permalink
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does it every occur to him that them is sometimes innocent men women and children?

why are iraqi lives less valuable than american lives?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 07/19/2008
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 330 fans permalink
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So - what, IF we sent more troops to Afghanistan, like BO suggests?

What is their goal?

How is "victory" to be defined?

Who is the enemy?

What, if Afghans will NEVER stop fighting troups they simply regard as oppressors as a whole?

Will WE never stop fighting there, too?

According to the DRUDGE-REPORT

http://www.drudge.com/news/108485/commander-400000-troops-needed

ISAF will NEED - i.e. MUST HAVE! - 400,000 troops in Afghanistan, to effectively pacify that country!

Quote: "ISAF Commander McNeill has said himself that according to the current counterterrorism doctrine, it would take 400,000 troops to pacify Afghanistan in the long term. But the reality is that he has only 47,000 soldiers under his command, together with another 18,000 troops fighting at their sides as part of Operation Enduring Freedom, and possibly another 75,000 reasonably well-trained soldiers in the Afghan army by the end of the year. All told, there is still a shortfall of 260,000 men."

THIS DOCTRINE WAS WRITTEN BY GENERAL PETRAEUS HIMSELF - WHO IS NOW COMMANDING GENERAL IN THAT THEATER OF WAR!

So - where's the beef?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 07/19/2008
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 181 fans permalink

You posted this yesterday and it got shot down yesterday.

Run along now, back to RedState or wherever you came from... tell them how you got all those libs over there at HP all tied up in knots...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 07/19/2008
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How about getting Bin Laden ? Which Bush failed to do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 07/19/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 428 fans permalink
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First - you just defined Iraq.

Second, you might recall that 9/11... 6 years ago was the result of AQ... who are in Afghanistan.

The "doctrine" was adopted well after O had suggested it as necessary.

Lastly, you'll recall that the two generals in "that theater of war" were given pink slips for trying to adopt similar policies.

And there's the beef. Actually there's a cow staring you in the face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 07/19/2008
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 330 fans permalink
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Iraq?

ISAF Commander McNeill fought and spoke about AFGHANISTAN!

Lie elsewhere, suc ker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 07/19/2008
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Apples and oranges.

The so-called enemy in Afghanistan is more clearly defined. It is the taliban and Al Quada. Unlike Iraq, many Afghani's actually welcomed our invasion and the removal of these groups from the country.

It's not going to be easy. But this is a conflict that actually has international support, and thus opportunity for extensive international troops and funding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 07/19/2008
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 330 fans permalink
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Apples and Oranges?

Go back to school.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 07/19/2008
- lainey I'm a Fan of lainey 46 fans permalink

So true. Most leaders and people living in Afghanistan have suffered terribly under the Taliban rule and want them gone. They do not wish for al Queda to flourish either. I too believe that since this is a multilateral approach, there is a better chance of removing these groups. We were successful in the beginning--had we not left--it might possibly be close to ending. Fighting people who are willing to die and sacrifice innocent people in the process is never easy, but it deserves our efforts. As bin Laden continues to send messages and his following increases, we should not downplay his role, nor should we forget what happened to thousands of innocent Americans who were killed on 9/11 or those scarred emotionally as a result of living. This fight in Afghanistan is for the people of Afghanistan as much as it is for the entire world. It is refreshing to hear from someone who understands this issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 07/19/2008
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Apparently the story that M-aliki has endorsed O's plan for withdrawal from Iraq was "accidentally" leaked by email from the B-ush administration to the press!

ROTFLMAO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 07/19/2008
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 330 fans permalink
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Obama-supporters among the Bush-aides?

"Isn't it ironic..." 8-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 07/19/2008
- Kim445588 I'm a Fan of Kim445588 4 fans permalink

Precisely what I would expect out of these people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 07/19/2008
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Which is interesting considering that they can't locate all of those archived E-mail from PlameGate ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 07/19/2008
- suzyhein I'm a Fan of suzyhein 63 fans permalink
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that picture of crash with grammm just fills me with the notion that this guy is just this again skinsack full of wronginess

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 07/19/2008
- suzyhein I'm a Fan of suzyhein 63 fans permalink
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i meant aging skinsack of course

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 07/19/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 428 fans permalink
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"wronginess" - that might catch on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 07/19/2008
- suzyhein I'm a Fan of suzyhein 63 fans permalink
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to be fair, it's very mavericky wronginess

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 07/19/2008
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 162 fans permalink

Perhaps most of the people in this nation are seeing our prez for what he is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 07/19/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 428 fans permalink
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Everyone north of Alabama saw it 7 years ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 07/19/2008
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I second that. Take at look at the electoral map in 2004. It is a pretty good road map for ignorance in this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 07/19/2008
- MissKaren I'm a Fan of MissKaren 43 fans permalink

We are staring into the vast emptiness that is Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 07/19/2008
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 86 fans permalink
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AP: sit through an ad, only to find out "This video clip is currently unavailable."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 07/19/2008
- Chillinout I'm a Fan of Chillinout 125 fans permalink
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Good to know I am not the only one that can't play the video. Instead of making us sit through the advertisement, they should let us know up front that they have posted a video that is "currently unavailable."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 07/19/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 428 fans permalink
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Notice at the bottom of the page is a photo of Booosh, and beside it is an ad reading "Accelerated Degree"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 07/19/2008

dentuso : Right now, next to the picture ( shudder ) it says something about losing excess ugly fat...


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 07/19/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 428 fans permalink
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Even more appropriate, then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 07/19/2008
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Kind of a like a "before" and "after" picture?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 07/19/2008
- LarsGruber I'm a Fan of LarsGruber 35 fans permalink

I think it's a positive move that B.ush is adopting Obama's ideas.

It's just too bad that B.ush waiting 7.5 years to listen to reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 07/19/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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The B.ush administration in May 2007:

We are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government. This is a sovereign nation. Twelve million people went to the polls to approve a constitution. It’s their government’s choice. If they were to say, leave, we would leave.

The administration now has rebuffed Maliki’s request for a timeline -- Pentagon spokesman this morning:

[I]t is dependent on conditions on the ground. … But timelines tend to be artificial in nature. In a situation where things are as dynamic as they are in Iraq, I would just tell you, it’s usually best to look at these things based on conditions on the ground.

State Dept spokeman also hedges:

Sean McCORMACK: Well, that’s really the part — the point at which I would seek greater clarification in terms of remarks. I’ve seen the same press reports that you have, but I haven’t yet had an opportunity to get greater clarify as to exactly to what Mr. Maliki was referring or if, in fact, that’s an accurate reporting of what he said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 07/19/2008
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What they mean is that they haven't had time to bully and bribe Maliki into changing backtracking on his statements so that the B-ush administration can continue their unjustified policies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 07/19/2008

The genie is out of the bottle in Iraq...... the public know about the SOFA deal that Maliki and Bush were going to sign between them on the sly....... I think a US Senator wrote to members of the Iraqi Parliament about it and put them wise.Maliki now cannot sign the deal without their consent, and they want troops out in near future and they would not agree to being colonised.It's in the public domain and Maliki is on thin ice politically over there........so any sly bullying and bribery can't happen now.If they bully, they are going to have to do it in broad daylight with the whole of the Middle East watching.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 07/19/2008

Current news they have agreed for time line but they call it " general time horizon " I feel for mcbush he is running out of reasons to continue with his candidacy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 07/19/2008
- ohiomark I'm a Fan of ohiomark 126 fans permalink

What a crock.

What took him so long to go there?

I guess he felt he didn't need a photo-op with the troops until now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 07/19/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 428 fans permalink
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Prior to his inauguration, Preznet Booosh visited Mexico twice. Other than that, he'd never been out of the country, except for Mississippi, which he later learned didn't count.

Can you say double-standard?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 07/19/2008

Too many syllables.Look at his post and count the syllable content.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 07/19/2008
- suzyhein I'm a Fan of suzyhein 63 fans permalink
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It is mindblowing to me that we let a guy who had never been on the ground in this country attack it? all he had was his weird biblically inspired ideas of these evil lands. what happened to our sanity? where was/is the outrage?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 07/19/2008
- ZHarris I'm a Fan of ZHarris 48 fans permalink
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That had to score you 20 points as a McStooge...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 07/19/2008
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You mean trolls can actually rack up points for being stupid?

:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 07/19/2008
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As always, little markie, you display a remarkable lack of knowledge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 07/19/2008

Like McLastInClass' rug shopping excursion or his trip to Europe and South America?

Like THAT, skidmark?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 07/19/2008
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This is a false argument. It has always been a false argument. None of the candidates NEED to go to Afghanistan or Iraq to get briefed on conditions there. They are senators, they have access to security briefings, generals and the joints chiefs of staff.

But none of this touches on what really matters. And that is judgment. If O has been raised in an 8 by 10 foot closet all his life and never allowed to leave, still he would demostrate a better understanding of the world and our role in the world than McGoo ever will. McGoo only understands the world in one context: War. Everything is seem by McGoo through the prism of war. That is why McGoo is the dangerous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 07/19/2008

4 generations of the McCain's were/are involved in the family business of WAR.
Why would anyone expect him NOT to drum up business. Warmonger!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 07/19/2008
- MoeSart I'm a Fan of MoeSart 10 fans permalink

Obama is out of his element and it shows. It's not on the level of Dukakis-in-a-tank, but this trip doesn't help Obama any.

It really just really helps McCain look more experienced and qualified in comparison, which he is anyway. Whether you think that matters or not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 07/19/2008

Article from Susan Estrich,
"The point is not to learn something by traveling abroad. He could probably learn more holed up in his house in Chicago with his hundreds of actual and wannabe foreign policy advisers. As my friend Bob Beckel, veteran organizer of numerous overseas Congressional fact-finding missions (we used to call them "junkets") has said, you could learn more watching the Discovery Channel than you do on one of these trips. "

This trip is Obama Politics at its best and complete BS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 07/19/2008
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