Obama in Iraq: Withdrawal support but no timetable

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BRIAN MURPHY and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA | July 21, 2008 10:06 PM EST | AP

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In this photo released by the U.S. army, U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama, left, top U.S. military commander in Iraq, David Petraeus, center, and U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel, R-Neb, ride inside a helicopter in Baghdad, Iraq, Monday, July 21, 2008. Iraq's government welcomed Obama on Monday with a message of apparent common ground on American troop withdrawal goals: expressing hopes that combat forces could leave by 2010. (AP Photo/Ssg. Lorie Jewell, HO)

BAGHDAD — Face to face with Iraq's leaders, Barack Obama gained fresh support Monday for the idea of pulling all U.S. combat forces from the war zone by 2010. But the Iraqis stopped short of actual timetables or endorsement of Obama's pledge to withdraw troops within 16 months if he wins the presidency.

The Democratic presidential contender also got a military briefing _ and a helicopter tour _ from the top U.S. commander in the region, Gen. David Petraeus, and also met with a few of the nearly 150,000 U.S. troops now well into the war's sixth year.

Back in the U.S., Republican rival John McCain said he hoped the visit would open Obama's eyes to the danger of withdrawal timetables. Said the Arizona senator, who was meeting with President Bush's father, the former president, in Maine: "When you win wars, troops come home." He said of Obama: "He's been completely wrong on the issue."

In Washington, the White House expressed displeasure with recent public comments by Iraqi leaders on the withdrawal question and suggested they might have the U.S. election on their minds.

As Obama visited Iraq for the first time in more than two years, comments Monday by the government's spokesman roughly mirrored the Illinois senator's withdrawal schedule and offered a glimpse of Iraq's growing confidence as violence drops and Iraqi security forces expand their roles.

"We are hoping that in 2010 that combat troops will withdraw from Iraq," spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said after Obama met with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki _ who has struggled for days to clarify Iraq's position on a possible timetable for a U.S. troop pullout.

Iraq's Sunni vice president, Tariq al-Hashemi, said after meeting Obama that Iraqi leaders share "a common interest ... to schedule the withdrawal of American troops."

"I'd be happy if we reach an agreement to say, for instance, the 31st of December 2010" would mark the departure of the last U.S. combat unit, he said _ then noted that any such goal could be revised depending on threats and the pace of training for Iraqi security forces. That date would be some seven months later than Obama's 16-month timeline.

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Obama said almost nothing to reporters following him, but promised fuller impressions after he finishes here Tuesday and heads to Jordan and Israel.

He released a statement late Monday noting that Iraqis want an "aspirational timeline, with a clear date," for the departure of U.S. combat forces.

"Prime Minister Maliki told us that while the Iraqi people deeply appreciate the sacrifices of American soldiers, they do not want an open-ended presence of U.S. combat forces. The prime minister said that now is an appropriate time to start to plan for the reorganization of our troops in Iraq _ including their numbers and missions. He stated his hope that U.S. combat forces could be out of Iraq in 2010," Obama said in a joint statement with Sens. Chuck Hagel, a Republican from Nebraska, and Jack Reed, a Democrat from Rhode Island, who accompanied him to the war zone.

The senators also acknowledged a significant decline in violence in Iraq, and said that while their has been some "forward movement" on political progress, reconciliation and economic development, there has not been "nearly enough to bring lasting stability to Iraq."

Obama told ABC News that military leaders have "deep concerns" about a timetable that doesn't account for changing conditions.

"I don't think that there are deep concerns about the notion of a pullout per se," he said in the interview. "There are deep concerns about, from their perspective, of a timetable that doesn't take into account what they anticipate might be some sort of change in conditions."

Obama also said that knowing what he knows now he still would have opposed sending more troops to Iraq last year.

In Washington, the White House expressed unhappiness about Iraqi leaders' apparent public backing for Obama's troop withdrawal plans and suggested they may be trying to use the U.S. presidential election as leverage for negotiations on America's presence and future obligations in the country.

"We don't think that talking about specific negotiating tactics or your negotiating position in the press is the best way to negotiate a deal," White House press secretary Dana Perino said after al-Maliki was quoted in a magazine article supporting Obama's proposed 16-month troop withdrawal timeline. Al-Maliki's spokesman, al-Dabbagh, initially appeared to try to discredit the magazine report but on Monday newly expressed hopes that U.S. combat forces could be out of Iraq by 2010.

The Bush administration has refused to set specific troop level targets but last week offered to discuss a "general time horizon" for a U.S. combat troop exit.

Asked whether the Iraqis might be trying to use the U.S. presidential election for leverage in negotiations over the future of the American military mission in Iraq, Perino said, "I think that a lot of other people look through the lens of a 2008 presidential election. ... Might they be? Sure. I mean, it's possible."

Iraq was the third leg of Obama's tour of the region, which has included stops in Kuwait and Afghanistan.

The counterpoint was clear: Obama opposed the Iraq war from the start and views the battle against the resurgent Taliban and al-Qaida in Afghanistan as America's most critical fight.

But Iraq is not the same place as when Obama last visited in January 2006.

Both Sunni insurgents, including al-Qaida in Iraq, and Shiite militias have suffered significant blows. And security forces in Baghdad _ once the scene of near daily car bombs and sectarian killings _ have made clear gains since last year's troop build-up of nearly 30,000 soldiers.

In an interview Monday on ABC's "Good Morning America," McCain said he hoped Obama would now "have the opportunity to see the success of the surge."

"This is the same strategy that he voted against, railed against," McCain said. "He was wrong about the surge. It is succeeding and we are winning."

All five surge brigades have left Iraq, but there are still about 147,000 U.S. soldiers in the country.

Obama _ traveling in a congressional delegation with Reed and Hagel_ first arrived in the city of Basra in Iraq's mostly Shiite south. Basra is the center for about 4,000 British troops involved mostly in training Iraqi forces. An Iraqi-led offensive begun in March reclaimed control of most of the city from Shiite militia believed linked to Iran.

Obama's foreign stops, which will conclude with a swing through Europe, were seen as an attempt to burnish his foreign policy credentials and address challenges by McCain that he is too inexperienced to lead in a time of war and global risks.

They also gave Obama a taste of some of the difficulties in Iraq that the next president will inherit. Important negotiations on a pact defining the future U.S. military commitment have stalled.

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AP White House Correspondent Terence Hunt in Washington contributed to this report.

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I disagree with all you left wing know nothings. The US should stay in Iraq for a definite 'general time horizon' to keep Shiite/Iran trained al-Qaida from crossing the 'Iraq/Pakistan' border!

Actually it was sarcasm. Should have added McCain's assertion that al-Qaida is Shiite until corrected by Lieberman. My apologies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 07/22/2008
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The parliamentarians do it as a matter of course -- but I'm wondering. If our Constitution can be interpreted such that gangbangers in South Central have a right to own guns, if George Bush is allowed to torture, to wiretap, etc. -- can't there be a way to interpret the Big C. so as to move the election, slated for November, up to next week? Please, someone...can't we?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 07/22/2008

This is the third time I've tried to ask this , apparently, subversive question. Did McCain ever spend a moment in Vietnam before he was shot down?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 07/22/2008

McCain was on his 23d combat mission over North Vietnam, which at the time was the most heavily defended city in the world, when he was shot down. Did he ever spend a moment on the ground before that? No, he was a pilot. If you're looking for a way to spin his combat experience to make it sound unimpressive or not that dangerous, then a) it's just not true. He flew lots of missions and his job was extremely dangerous and b) considering all that he did for his country and all he sacrificed, why devalue his honorable service?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 AM on 07/22/2008
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When they repeatedly call for withdrawal to be determined by "generals" and "conditions on the ground," what Bush and McCain are advocating is a Presidency that permits American foreign policy to be dictated by the pentagon.

Bush and McCain are suggesting that they disagree with the constitution, (something that should surprise no one in Bush) but it should in McCain, because of a very famous incident that illustrates the unconstitutionality of this position, which happened when McCain was fifteen years old.

Gen. Douglas MacArthur:

(from Wikipedia)
"In April 1951, MacArthur's habitual disregard of his superiors led to a crisis. He sent a letter to Representative Joe Martin (R-Massachusetts), the House Minority Leader, disagreeing with President Truman's policy of limiting the Korean war to avoid a larger war with China. He also sent an ultimatum to the Chinese Army which destroyed President Truman's cease-fire efforts. This, and similar letters and statements, were seen by Truman as a violation of the American constitutional principle that military commanders are subordinate to civilian leadership, and usurpation of the President's authority to make foreign policy."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_MacArthur#Dismissal

MacArthur was relieved of his command, prompting him to remark to congress, "Old soldiers never die; they just fade away."

Something lovers of the executive branch of government, (and the constitution in particular) might hope will happen to McCain, shortly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 07/22/2008
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Young college republicans explain why they support staying Iraq and why they themselves (due to a plethora of reasons) won't enlist.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=J1UYquKlfT0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 07/22/2008
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Man, those are not real Republicans, they are cultists of the rev sun myung yong registered as repub following their god's orders. Get it right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 07/22/2008
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Sorry, pal (if you're serious). Those are REAL young Republicans, and that short movie is the sickest, saddest, bitterly funniest thing I've seen in a very long time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 07/22/2008

Wow...now there's a bunch of raging patriots right there...

Pathetic and sad, but social.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 07/22/2008
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It reminded me of the movie "Jesus Camp".
You just know that these brats are just parrotting whatever garbage their parents have been drilling into them since they were old enough to chew.
Yuck !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 07/22/2008
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Would be amusing to do an "Animal House' type ending with a heading under each of these twits like, "Arrested in 2012 for too wide a stance in an airport toilet stall" or "Convicted in 2014 of lying to Congress on behalf of federal prisoner Karl Rove."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 07/22/2008
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Would be amusing to do an "Animal House' type ending with a heading under each of these twits like, "Arrested in 2012 for too wide a stance in an airport toilet stall" or "Killed in 2014 in road rage incident by enraged Iraq Veteran suffering PTSD."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 07/22/2008
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You know, I saw a whole lot of college Democrats enlisting when bill-bob started bombing the serbs. Amazing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 07/22/2008

Bet the arrest of Karadzic really upset you.

That was a NATO action. A REAL coalition.

...and how many American soldiers were kil led?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 07/22/2008
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They support wars as long as somebody else fights them

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 07/22/2008

I disagree with all you left wing liberal know nothings. We should stay in Iraq with a definite 'general time horizon' to make sure the terrorists don't infiltrate the 'Pakistan/Iraq' border!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 07/22/2008

Didn't know we had a new general onboard. How many starts does Horizon have?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 07/22/2008

I was being sarcastic. Should have said Shiite/Iran trained al-Qaida in reference to McSame's stupidity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 07/22/2008
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Not to mention to make sure Czechoslovakia doesn't change its name again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 07/22/2008
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And hope the wife doesn't get out of hand--never know what you might have to call her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 07/22/2008
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How did he reference this supposed border?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 07/22/2008
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The corporates must be dancing to get the contracts lined up and paying huge attorney fees to see that these cannot be rescinded. If the occupation is determined in the future to be criminal, could it null and void all of Haliburton's ill-gotten gains? Could they be forced to put the money back into the country?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 07/22/2008
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I have not seen tr0lls be this desperate in a long time.

Boosh, McBush and Chenney are the only extremists left that do not have a plan to exit Iraq. Chris Mathews put it best on his show. McBush is like that Japanese soldier stuck on an island in the middle of the Pacific that does not know the war is over.

McBush can surge talk all he wants but now is the time to set a timetable to exit Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 07/22/2008

As they become more and more desperate, they drop the facades they have tried to maintain.

The vile r a c i s t stuff is coming out now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 07/22/2008
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You don't have to scratch too deeply to uncover it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 07/22/2008
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As they become more and more desperate, they drop the facades they have tried to maintain.

The vile r a c i s t stuff is coming out now.
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Agreed.

It has been implicit in all their posts previous, but now it's explicit in the extreme. These people are unaware that they are also on their own, abandoned by their government as well as those the left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 07/22/2008
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That kickass film "Hell in the Pacific" with the great actors, Toshiro Mifune and Lee Marvin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 07/22/2008
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Yes I had not been visiting here often as of late, but there certainly did seem a greater air of desperation when I came in Sunday. I think Big O's visit is really making a good impression on many and re-enforcing the take of the man by many others. I want this man, this person to be our POTUS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 07/22/2008

The fact that the U.S. may no longer be led by fools and charlatans is a tremendous relief to me. I can only imagine what it must mean to the iraqi people and to our troops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 07/22/2008
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Coming home, on both sides of the world. What it feels like to come home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 07/22/2008

As someone who has spent a great deal of their adult life outside the US and almost always been disappointed here, I am hopeful now. This country needs thought and vision. Someone who can see that there is a big picture and we live on a planet rather than in an isolated country, and the world is looking and so far we aren't measuring up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 07/22/2008
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Whoa. What are in Iraq for to begin with?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 07/22/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 228 fans permalink
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Oil, cash and contracts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 07/22/2008

Send lawyers, guns and money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 07/22/2008
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wmd. mushroom clouds. fighting them there so we can't fight them here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 07/22/2008

Congratulations on attracting your first nametr0ll.

You have arrived!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 07/22/2008
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Someone had a Daddy complex ??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 07/22/2008

Oedipus Tex

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 07/22/2008
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how many false reasons do we need to stay in Iraq?

how many false terror alerts?

how long do we want to be played?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 07/22/2008
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we're in Iraq for the oil.

Anybody want to stand up and say they are willing to sacrifice their personal lifestyle for oil?

,

I didn't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 07/22/2008
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I'm trying to figure out what to get JohnhusseinCT as a going away gift.

A flammable cross?

A subscription to "Hard Working White Appalachian Monthly"?

Maybe a book, "Stupidity for Dummies".

It's a tough one, what do you get for the soon-to-be-banned right wing raclst who's got nothing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 07/22/2008
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Now now now...

The poor dearies mother is in the pound about to be euthanized, I suggest we all make calls to the SPCA and plead for her life in a show of unity.

It would be the most Christian thing to do.

Auntie Christ

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 07/22/2008
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Heh! So that would make him a son of a...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 07/22/2008
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Try giving some gentle enlightenment, a little goes a long way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 07/22/2008

Gentle enlightenment for someone who was banned for posting links to gayporn and makes jokes about AIDS?

There is a time for holding hands and singing Kumbaya.

This is not one of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 07/22/2008
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A very kind and thoughtful response.

Though, so you have a better idea of how foregone this_creep is, click on his profile to read the string of_hateful, raclst_and_homophobic_bile he_spews.

You can only reason with those who have the capacity to reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 07/22/2008

In his case yes, if you wrap it around a hardbound 10 pound enciclopedia tome and ....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 07/22/2008
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Enlightenment cannot be given. It comes from within.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 07/22/2008
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Kevorkians direct number.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 07/22/2008
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Stupidity for Dummies -- a gem!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 07/22/2008

A jar of rose scented flesh eating bacteria........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 07/22/2008
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Any moron can call names. The question is: How do we get out of country and a war which we should never have been in, in the first place. Timeline, timetables, surges - those are just diversionary words to distract us from doing what we know needs to be done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 07/21/2008
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When the likes of Johnnametro// is allowed to post his e x c r e m e n t while other intelligent,funny and harmless posts languish in p e n d i n g p u r g a t o r y is when I have to say good night.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 07/21/2008
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Johnnametroll? Which one? There are seventeen of them...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 07/21/2008
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The one that ends in "CT".
Stolen directly from the poster formerly known as JohnCT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 07/21/2008
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CT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 07/21/2008

Weak?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 07/21/2008
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What's that? Did you say something?

All I hear out of you is a series of clucks and grunts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 07/21/2008

Nite, SM. I know how you feel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 07/21/2008
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{{smooches}}

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 07/22/2008
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I think they only post the tr0lls for our comic relief

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 07/22/2008
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there goes that KELLY POWER

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 07/22/2008

I have a question. I understand that McCain flew missions in Vietnam from aircraft carriers. I would like to know if he ever stepped foot in the country before he was shot down?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 07/21/2008
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To all neos, rethugs and Hill drama queens here :

Really guys , is that all you've got ?

C'MON !

REALLY ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 07/21/2008

In a word, yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 07/21/2008

They won!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 07/21/2008
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I didn't know HuffPo had a RAZZIE AWARDS too !

Congratulations guys !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 07/22/2008
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Do you EVER have something to contribute to a discussion..... or do you come here simply to parade your juvenile ignorance around these threads for all to see?

Which one of these?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 07/22/2008
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Catharsis

They won!
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What does this victory of yours consist of?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 07/22/2008
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