Obama in Iraq: Withdrawal support but no timetable

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BRIAN MURPHY and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA | July 21, 2008 10:06 PM EST | AP

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In this photo released by the U.S. army, U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama, left, top U.S. military commander in Iraq, David Petraeus, center, and U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel, R-Neb, ride inside a helicopter in Baghdad, Iraq, Monday, July 21, 2008. Iraq's government welcomed Obama on Monday with a message of apparent common ground on American troop withdrawal goals: expressing hopes that combat forces could leave by 2010. (AP Photo/Ssg. Lorie Jewell, HO)

BAGHDAD — Face to face with Iraq's leaders, Barack Obama gained fresh support Monday for the idea of pulling all U.S. combat forces from the war zone by 2010. But the Iraqis stopped short of actual timetables or endorsement of Obama's pledge to withdraw troops within 16 months if he wins the presidency.

The Democratic presidential contender also got a military briefing _ and a helicopter tour _ from the top U.S. commander in the region, Gen. David Petraeus, and also met with a few of the nearly 150,000 U.S. troops now well into the war's sixth year.

Back in the U.S., Republican rival John McCain said he hoped the visit would open Obama's eyes to the danger of withdrawal timetables. Said the Arizona senator, who was meeting with President Bush's father, the former president, in Maine: "When you win wars, troops come home." He said of Obama: "He's been completely wrong on the issue."

In Washington, the White House expressed displeasure with recent public comments by Iraqi leaders on the withdrawal question and suggested they might have the U.S. election on their minds.

As Obama visited Iraq for the first time in more than two years, comments Monday by the government's spokesman roughly mirrored the Illinois senator's withdrawal schedule and offered a glimpse of Iraq's growing confidence as violence drops and Iraqi security forces expand their roles.

"We are hoping that in 2010 that combat troops will withdraw from Iraq," spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said after Obama met with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki _ who has struggled for days to clarify Iraq's position on a possible timetable for a U.S. troop pullout.

Iraq's Sunni vice president, Tariq al-Hashemi, said after meeting Obama that Iraqi leaders share "a common interest ... to schedule the withdrawal of American troops."

"I'd be happy if we reach an agreement to say, for instance, the 31st of December 2010" would mark the departure of the last U.S. combat unit, he said _ then noted that any such goal could be revised depending on threats and the pace of training for Iraqi security forces. That date would be some seven months later than Obama's 16-month timeline.

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Obama said almost nothing to reporters following him, but promised fuller impressions after he finishes here Tuesday and heads to Jordan and Israel.

He released a statement late Monday noting that Iraqis want an "aspirational timeline, with a clear date," for the departure of U.S. combat forces.

"Prime Minister Maliki told us that while the Iraqi people deeply appreciate the sacrifices of American soldiers, they do not want an open-ended presence of U.S. combat forces. The prime minister said that now is an appropriate time to start to plan for the reorganization of our troops in Iraq _ including their numbers and missions. He stated his hope that U.S. combat forces could be out of Iraq in 2010," Obama said in a joint statement with Sens. Chuck Hagel, a Republican from Nebraska, and Jack Reed, a Democrat from Rhode Island, who accompanied him to the war zone.

The senators also acknowledged a significant decline in violence in Iraq, and said that while their has been some "forward movement" on political progress, reconciliation and economic development, there has not been "nearly enough to bring lasting stability to Iraq."

Obama told ABC News that military leaders have "deep concerns" about a timetable that doesn't account for changing conditions.

"I don't think that there are deep concerns about the notion of a pullout per se," he said in the interview. "There are deep concerns about, from their perspective, of a timetable that doesn't take into account what they anticipate might be some sort of change in conditions."

Obama also said that knowing what he knows now he still would have opposed sending more troops to Iraq last year.

In Washington, the White House expressed unhappiness about Iraqi leaders' apparent public backing for Obama's troop withdrawal plans and suggested they may be trying to use the U.S. presidential election as leverage for negotiations on America's presence and future obligations in the country.

"We don't think that talking about specific negotiating tactics or your negotiating position in the press is the best way to negotiate a deal," White House press secretary Dana Perino said after al-Maliki was quoted in a magazine article supporting Obama's proposed 16-month troop withdrawal timeline. Al-Maliki's spokesman, al-Dabbagh, initially appeared to try to discredit the magazine report but on Monday newly expressed hopes that U.S. combat forces could be out of Iraq by 2010.

The Bush administration has refused to set specific troop level targets but last week offered to discuss a "general time horizon" for a U.S. combat troop exit.

Asked whether the Iraqis might be trying to use the U.S. presidential election for leverage in negotiations over the future of the American military mission in Iraq, Perino said, "I think that a lot of other people look through the lens of a 2008 presidential election. ... Might they be? Sure. I mean, it's possible."

Iraq was the third leg of Obama's tour of the region, which has included stops in Kuwait and Afghanistan.

The counterpoint was clear: Obama opposed the Iraq war from the start and views the battle against the resurgent Taliban and al-Qaida in Afghanistan as America's most critical fight.

But Iraq is not the same place as when Obama last visited in January 2006.

Both Sunni insurgents, including al-Qaida in Iraq, and Shiite militias have suffered significant blows. And security forces in Baghdad _ once the scene of near daily car bombs and sectarian killings _ have made clear gains since last year's troop build-up of nearly 30,000 soldiers.

In an interview Monday on ABC's "Good Morning America," McCain said he hoped Obama would now "have the opportunity to see the success of the surge."

"This is the same strategy that he voted against, railed against," McCain said. "He was wrong about the surge. It is succeeding and we are winning."

All five surge brigades have left Iraq, but there are still about 147,000 U.S. soldiers in the country.

Obama _ traveling in a congressional delegation with Reed and Hagel_ first arrived in the city of Basra in Iraq's mostly Shiite south. Basra is the center for about 4,000 British troops involved mostly in training Iraqi forces. An Iraqi-led offensive begun in March reclaimed control of most of the city from Shiite militia believed linked to Iran.

Obama's foreign stops, which will conclude with a swing through Europe, were seen as an attempt to burnish his foreign policy credentials and address challenges by McCain that he is too inexperienced to lead in a time of war and global risks.

They also gave Obama a taste of some of the difficulties in Iraq that the next president will inherit. Important negotiations on a pact defining the future U.S. military commitment have stalled.

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AP White House Correspondent Terence Hunt in Washington contributed to this report.

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Take care my dearies.

...And remember to vote for Οbama.

Auntie Christ

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Is that a self appraisal?

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Loyalbushies can take comfort in the fact that their grandchildren will be struggling to pay for the life of luxury Flubya's grandchildren will be leading.

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Anyone know the difference between a gayJohnHusseinCT and a str8 one?

A six pack and a promise not to tell.

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What does the USMC have to do with this?

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These guys know "ch@nge".
Be careful what you wish for!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 07/21/2008
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Lets see: All these conservatives

want the world to hate the USA
want continued numbers of soldiers to be sacrificed for oil/war profits in Iraq
support all the damage Boosh has done to the USA
like tax breaks for the super rich
think McSame and his campaign staff of lobbyists is just great

They sound like traitors to America's greatness
Why do they hate America?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 07/21/2008

I like Obama. He's a much better candidate than Hillary Clintonl.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 07/21/2008
- Topfeeder I'm a Fan of Topfeeder 35 fans permalink

So I just talked to my Repub neighbor over the fence and asked him what he thought about Maliki wanting U.S. troops out by 2010, he says who cares what Iraq's PM wants. He is only in office because we put him there. It's our war. We are too invested to leave. I just shook my head and said goodnight.

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Sadly, that's the kind of rabid small-minded rethug who votes. If he actually leaves his bunker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 07/21/2008

You would deny reality? No need.

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Topfeeder,

Your neighbor is the kind of American that gives your country a bad name......­.....they are arrogant scum. I wouldnt give him the time of day.

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So now McCain and "W" are the morons?////

"O" hops on the "Change Plane" and goes to Afghanistan to proclaim the situation there is "urgent" and more troops are needed....­.yet "W" (aka the MORON), has planted that strategy into action with NATO command. "W" makes a phone call-----"O" flies around the world on the "change plane" proclaiming the obvious and liberals kneel at his feet.

Whats "O" gonna do next? Fly the change plane to Japan and proclaim the sun rises in the east? Or will "O" proclaim night is darker than day? Tell us what we don't know "O" ....not what we do know...

Come on "O" bring it on....

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BitterBetty, dimNnutty and shortbus on one thread.

A Nostradumbass trifecta!

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Three minds without a single thought.

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Where did they steal the two new minds?

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ok

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Testing.

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I heard it said this morning, that Obama is getting the credit for the work of men far better than he is. I'll bet Oblama refuses to give credit where credit is due.

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It is no longer a question of if to withdraw. Obama's plan has become the starting point for any discussion on Iraq's future. That's a big achievement.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

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Iraq doesn't have a future if the Republicans intend to have a continued occupation.

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I dedicate this one to the ol' Straight Talk Express:

"This Old Man, he was_hate,
anger_wrecked his_mental state.
With a knick-knack, Daddy's wack, drop Iran_a_bomb,
He's still fighting_V­ietnam."

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I think I'll teach my grandkids that one

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That's wonderful!! Thanks.

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Very impressive.

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Good one, Ad.

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LOL

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