Obama in Iraq: Withdrawal support but no timetable

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BRIAN MURPHY and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA | July 21, 2008 10:06 PM EST | AP

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In this photo released by the U.S. army, U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama, left, top U.S. military commander in Iraq, David Petraeus, center, and U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel, R-Neb, ride inside a helicopter in Baghdad, Iraq, Monday, July 21, 2008. Iraq's government welcomed Obama on Monday with a message of apparent common ground on American troop withdrawal goals: expressing hopes that combat forces could leave by 2010. (AP Photo/Ssg. Lorie Jewell, HO)

BAGHDAD — Face to face with Iraq's leaders, Barack Obama gained fresh support Monday for the idea of pulling all U.S. combat forces from the war zone by 2010. But the Iraqis stopped short of actual timetables or endorsement of Obama's pledge to withdraw troops within 16 months if he wins the presidency.

The Democratic presidential contender also got a military briefing _ and a helicopter tour _ from the top U.S. commander in the region, Gen. David Petraeus, and also met with a few of the nearly 150,000 U.S. troops now well into the war's sixth year.

Back in the U.S., Republican rival John McCain said he hoped the visit would open Obama's eyes to the danger of withdrawal timetables. Said the Arizona senator, who was meeting with President Bush's father, the former president, in Maine: "When you win wars, troops come home." He said of Obama: "He's been completely wrong on the issue."

In Washington, the White House expressed displeasure with recent public comments by Iraqi leaders on the withdrawal question and suggested they might have the U.S. election on their minds.

As Obama visited Iraq for the first time in more than two years, comments Monday by the government's spokesman roughly mirrored the Illinois senator's withdrawal schedule and offered a glimpse of Iraq's growing confidence as violence drops and Iraqi security forces expand their roles.

"We are hoping that in 2010 that combat troops will withdraw from Iraq," spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said after Obama met with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki _ who has struggled for days to clarify Iraq's position on a possible timetable for a U.S. troop pullout.

Iraq's Sunni vice president, Tariq al-Hashemi, said after meeting Obama that Iraqi leaders share "a common interest ... to schedule the withdrawal of American troops."

"I'd be happy if we reach an agreement to say, for instance, the 31st of December 2010" would mark the departure of the last U.S. combat unit, he said _ then noted that any such goal could be revised depending on threats and the pace of training for Iraqi security forces. That date would be some seven months later than Obama's 16-month timeline.

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Obama said almost nothing to reporters following him, but promised fuller impressions after he finishes here Tuesday and heads to Jordan and Israel.

He released a statement late Monday noting that Iraqis want an "aspirational timeline, with a clear date," for the departure of U.S. combat forces.

"Prime Minister Maliki told us that while the Iraqi people deeply appreciate the sacrifices of American soldiers, they do not want an open-ended presence of U.S. combat forces. The prime minister said that now is an appropriate time to start to plan for the reorganization of our troops in Iraq _ including their numbers and missions. He stated his hope that U.S. combat forces could be out of Iraq in 2010," Obama said in a joint statement with Sens. Chuck Hagel, a Republican from Nebraska, and Jack Reed, a Democrat from Rhode Island, who accompanied him to the war zone.

The senators also acknowledged a significant decline in violence in Iraq, and said that while their has been some "forward movement" on political progress, reconciliation and economic development, there has not been "nearly enough to bring lasting stability to Iraq."

Obama told ABC News that military leaders have "deep concerns" about a timetable that doesn't account for changing conditions.

"I don't think that there are deep concerns about the notion of a pullout per se," he said in the interview. "There are deep concerns about, from their perspective, of a timetable that doesn't take into account what they anticipate might be some sort of change in conditions."

Obama also said that knowing what he knows now he still would have opposed sending more troops to Iraq last year.

In Washington, the White House expressed unhappiness about Iraqi leaders' apparent public backing for Obama's troop withdrawal plans and suggested they may be trying to use the U.S. presidential election as leverage for negotiations on America's presence and future obligations in the country.

"We don't think that talking about specific negotiating tactics or your negotiating position in the press is the best way to negotiate a deal," White House press secretary Dana Perino said after al-Maliki was quoted in a magazine article supporting Obama's proposed 16-month troop withdrawal timeline. Al-Maliki's spokesman, al-Dabbagh, initially appeared to try to discredit the magazine report but on Monday newly expressed hopes that U.S. combat forces could be out of Iraq by 2010.

The Bush administration has refused to set specific troop level targets but last week offered to discuss a "general time horizon" for a U.S. combat troop exit.

Asked whether the Iraqis might be trying to use the U.S. presidential election for leverage in negotiations over the future of the American military mission in Iraq, Perino said, "I think that a lot of other people look through the lens of a 2008 presidential election. ... Might they be? Sure. I mean, it's possible."

Iraq was the third leg of Obama's tour of the region, which has included stops in Kuwait and Afghanistan.

The counterpoint was clear: Obama opposed the Iraq war from the start and views the battle against the resurgent Taliban and al-Qaida in Afghanistan as America's most critical fight.

But Iraq is not the same place as when Obama last visited in January 2006.

Both Sunni insurgents, including al-Qaida in Iraq, and Shiite militias have suffered significant blows. And security forces in Baghdad _ once the scene of near daily car bombs and sectarian killings _ have made clear gains since last year's troop build-up of nearly 30,000 soldiers.

In an interview Monday on ABC's "Good Morning America," McCain said he hoped Obama would now "have the opportunity to see the success of the surge."

"This is the same strategy that he voted against, railed against," McCain said. "He was wrong about the surge. It is succeeding and we are winning."

All five surge brigades have left Iraq, but there are still about 147,000 U.S. soldiers in the country.

Obama _ traveling in a congressional delegation with Reed and Hagel_ first arrived in the city of Basra in Iraq's mostly Shiite south. Basra is the center for about 4,000 British troops involved mostly in training Iraqi forces. An Iraqi-led offensive begun in March reclaimed control of most of the city from Shiite militia believed linked to Iran.

Obama's foreign stops, which will conclude with a swing through Europe, were seen as an attempt to burnish his foreign policy credentials and address challenges by McCain that he is too inexperienced to lead in a time of war and global risks.

They also gave Obama a taste of some of the difficulties in Iraq that the next president will inherit. Important negotiations on a pact defining the future U.S. military commitment have stalled.

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AP White House Correspondent Terence Hunt in Washington contributed to this report.

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my question still hasn't been answered..... how much are you paid repub bloggers getting paid? per post? per response? I want to know how much money it takes for you to distort the truth and still feel good about it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 07/21/2008

i have to ask. what do they get for their points?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 07/21/2008

Not paid per se, but they can earn "points" -- whatever that means.

And, no, I am not making this up.

http://www.johnmccain.com/ActionCenter/BlogInteract/BlogInteract.aspx

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 07/21/2008
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Sorry to step on you Groucho... Just completing my mission; to spread the news far and wide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 07/21/2008
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They are all Operation Chaos has beens, we all know how SUCCESSFUL THAT WAS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 07/21/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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They're on the Cracker Jack plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 07/21/2008
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 182 fans permalink

And now, all the McGoo points comments make sense!

Too funny...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 07/21/2008
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L O F L at that too!

Reminds me of training my dogs; they do a trick and I give them a cheap but tasty reward and they're all tongues and tails. ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 07/21/2008
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Are you implying that they have moral scruples?

Shame on you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 07/21/2008
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When it comes to the point where it appears that all of the people against whom you are arguing, should you perhaps question your own argument?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 07/21/2008
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Let me try that again...


When it comes to the point where it appears that all of the people against whom you are arguing are professionals, should you perhaps question your own argument.

It would have seemed like a brilliant statement had i gotten it right the first time.

....which probably means it's going to come off my check.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 07/21/2008
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There appears to be a handful of radical right-wing individuals who comment here. They are for the most part ignored in this house. I do however enjoy many of the responses some you level at these oddballs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 07/21/2008
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It is no longer a question of if to withdraw. Obama's plan has become the starting point for any discussion on Iraq's future. That's a big achievement.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 07/21/2008
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 182 fans permalink

It's all the same guy... some loser sitting in his mom's basement...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 07/21/2008

It would be funny if these same 'geniuses' didn't form the majority of the population

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 07/21/2008
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Some are quite enjoyable. Dumb, but enjoyable. We need some free entertainment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 07/21/2008
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My favorite so far is Johnhussein saying Obama surrendered to Maliki and the Iraqi government... beyond stupid...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 07/21/2008
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It's like the pool with the turtle slide. You walk by it, knowing it's childish, but you say .. "Ah, what the h#II", and jump in just because it's fun. Simple. But fun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 07/21/2008

Such as yourself.

Are you right about much of anything? Go back 1-2 (or 7) yrs and answer my question?

Keep misleading the brainless/souless/I ain't good for nothin, folks Hume. I know that makes you feel powerful......as you lead the idjits off the very steep cliff.

I hope you feel REAL GOOD about yourself.

Not.

Hayseus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 07/21/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1673 fans permalink
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I hear that 0'bama let the lying General Petroleus have it. They "agreed to disagree". It is about time that someone takes the lying General to task.

This is the guy who has never given any thought whether Iraq war is making us safer. That lying somofabich needs a few lessons.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 07/21/2008
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"Petroleus" (good one) can see the writing on the wall, a new boss is coming to town, and it won't be Mc Lame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 07/21/2008
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H e just had the last promotion of his life, and he knows it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 07/21/2008
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Really? Have a link?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 07/21/2008
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No. F*ck off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 07/21/2008
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Where did you hear that? Have a link?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 07/21/2008
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Since when do you care about links and references? You make sh*t up on every post!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 07/21/2008
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I think Andrea Mitchell reported that on 'Hardball' tonight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 07/21/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1673 fans permalink
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Who the f*ck are you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 07/21/2008
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O'bama would be a fool if he "let Petraeus have it", as you put it. With the success of the Petraeus authored surge, the inexperienced O'blama can now safely come to Iraq.

Still waiting for his unscripted Q&A with the combat troops he accused of losing the war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 07/21/2008
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"of losing the war"... comments like this would make most people look idiotic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 07/21/2008
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3 of the 18 benchmarks completed. You call that a success? If he was my gardener, I would fire his a$$.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 07/21/2008
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Go clean the tables, busboy. Then get to work on the floor - its covered in tro// poo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 07/21/2008

Still waiting for you to explain why you are a fan of ClutchCargo.

A poster who was posting deathwishes for O

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 07/21/2008
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General "Petroleous" (Good one!) knows he is listening to his next Commander in Chief. Come January he knows he will have to comply or resign. It is time we had a commander in chief who let the commanders in the field know who the boss is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 07/21/2008
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I think he can say good bye to his fifth star.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 07/21/2008
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So is McCane going to pick the l--esbian in Florida or the Islamofacist in Louisiana. I can't wait to find out.

I hope Gov. Christ is on Morning Hoe tomorrow. I love to hear him talk about his mother. I think that is just precious. LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 07/21/2008
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He reminds me of Norman bates crossed with George Hamilton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 07/21/2008

Was the White House speaking of the same press they manipulated into believing there were WMD's in the first place? Any idiot would with a second grade education should have known the truth. And now there is a clear mandate for withdrawing and the very same fools are still ignorant. Should this come as a surprise?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 07/21/2008
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Mc.Ca*n is brilliant at all that he does.I applaud his incredible talent for cr@shing not one but five planes.Only a pilot of exceptional ability could pull off such a feat.He's a winner,that's right a winner of w@rs,he hasn't specifically named which ones yet but there is no doubt in my mind,none what so ever he has won several,some or only m e n t a l ones.Which of course makes him an expert in foreign policy.

His economic policy is totally sound.Take for instance the gas t a x holiday,I sat down with my calculator and figured I would save enough money to by an extra 1/2 gallon when all was said and done.That's a sure fire way to ease my pa*n at the p u m p.

I really admire him.It takes a bona fide m@verick to not pay his property t a x e s on one of his many homes when he's married to an h e i r e s s.

Plus I really like how he talks to his woman,he knows a t r o l l o p when he sees one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 07/21/2008

Why'd you waste the effort?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 07/21/2008

Talking to yourself again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 07/21/2008
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Well see,being a libruhlhippiesocialistcommiepinko and only hearing the tro//z make up lies and continually bash O never seeing any of the them present their reason for voting for McSame and what is so great about him,I thought I'd do it for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 07/21/2008
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My comment is pending..sigh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 07/21/2008
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You left out McCaln graduating 894th out of 899 in his class. But then, what harm could come to this country with a poor learner as president?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 07/21/2008
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I admire that about him too it makes him a non-eleetist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 07/21/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1673 fans permalink
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Excellent. 100 McGoo points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 07/21/2008
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Is that Anthony Trollope?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 07/21/2008

SweetSydney
Despite the AA soldiers fawning over O, the majority of soldiers support Mc-Cain.
Flagged Posted 10:07 PM on 07/21/2008

SweetSydney
What's an AA?
You make it sound like something other than human? Like an object.
posted 07/20/2008 at 20:53:54

BitterBetty slips up yet again

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 07/21/2008

Flagged for fun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 07/21/2008
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I'm a scholar, and that's what I do. Of course, I spend considerable time being a nuisance, but that's because the internet is my playground. posted 07/09/2008 at 20:47:33 by Catharis

Quoted for stupidity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 07/21/2008

Does Neo know you've got a new obsession?

Check your own profile, Blanche, I must dominate your thoughts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 07/21/2008

You can't express a coherent thought let alone dominate anyone else's

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 07/21/2008
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Don't flatter yourself, Betty Jo.

You can't dominate your own thoughts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 07/21/2008
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Raclst slime, let's hear again your reference to 0bama as the "purple-lipped one".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 07/21/2008
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She/he can't help it. Secsually cumfused.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 07/21/2008
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Oooo... bitter betty is into domination. Quick - whip her, beat her, call her ugly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 07/21/2008

What I love is that the Media is not allowed to control the narrative of this trip. Andrea Mitchell looked pissed on Hardball, whining and complaining that they don't have access to Senator Obama the way they wish they could. I thought she was going to break out in tears especially when Roger Simons began laughing at her complaints.

Ironically she had to come up with a quick story for the Verdict with Dan Abrams. Andrea Mitchell is so pathetic it’s almost comical.

The McCain Campaign thought their Media Surrogates would help structure their story; first he tipped everyone off that Senator Obama would be in Iraq Saturday, why else did Andrea Mitchell rush to Iraq to report on how wonderful things were there but Senator Obama Big Footed McCain’s Media Surrogates by going to Afghanistan. They are so pissed and I am so glad… Senator Obama is beating them at their own game.

Off topic: Is it just me or did David Gregory look disappointed on Meet the Press this pass Sunday, First because Chuck Todd blunted his republican talking points, 2nd because Tom said we will be seeing more of Chuck Todd on Meet the Press and 3rd David Gregory didn't get to go to Iraq...

Just an observation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 07/21/2008

I have always thought pathological liars should keep notes of their lies... I mean, if your going to do something, you should try to do it well.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 07/21/2008
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If they were smarter, they'd be progressives and wouldn't have to lie. Since they're not, they have to lie but aren't smart enough to remember their lies.

The Circle of Ignorance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 07/21/2008
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My friends, every time 0bama raises oil prices, it should you remind you of the soclalist paradise he has in mind for you. He'll bring the war to the Isr@eli - Ir@nian border. Negotiate with Bln L@den. It's well known hat the anti-chri$t is a mooselim.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 07/21/2008
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A well known hat? Idiot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 07/21/2008
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It's official! VBS has the most trolls named after him at HuffPo...

They be so envious...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 07/21/2008

The best was one of Neo's that only lasted 2 posts. "johnnystalker"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 07/21/2008

Whew.....Ru-sh made the kool aid a little strong today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 07/21/2008
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Um.... Seriously. I read that and I feel like I just huffed something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 07/21/2008
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It is well-known that the illuminati is in charge of all of that anti-santajesus stuff. GWB is a well-known member of that skullandbones antichrist educational program. And I didn't even know he was a mooselim.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 07/21/2008

Must be Canadian......darn Mooselims....always standing in the roads with thier big antlers and making weird noises. On the other hand....I simply adore chocolate mooselim.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 07/21/2008
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Now we know why the Maverick got so nervous when he was asked about birth control pills.

W was in the process of banning them.

I knew it. But, then, I read conservative sites. I knew he couldn't answer that question.

He's not especially religious. Who forbade him to answer that question?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 07/21/2008

You give him a great deal of credit...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 07/21/2008

Better get'em outa Eyerack 'cause they're gonna be needed in Afganistan by Unocal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 07/21/2008
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The Maverick dropped his single policy difference with "W" today.

He now OPPOSES stem cell. That's about all of them. NOW he's "W". I no longer have to type "with the exception of stem cell".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 07/21/2008
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McGoo now opposes stem cell? Huh.

It shouldn't be more than a couple days before Boooosh endorses O's plan for research then. Sweet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 07/21/2008
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Heh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 07/21/2008
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Bravo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 07/21/2008

He is trying to prop up the only support he has left. The Right To Lifers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 07/21/2008
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I told you guys The Maverick couldn't answer the birth control pill question because he's forbidden to discuss it.

He wasn't uncomfortable. He's under a religious gag order.

Look at what W is trying to push thru HHS. Oh, look! It's a BAN on birth control pills.

Told ya! :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 07/21/2008
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He was 'Goosed'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 07/21/2008
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That should ensure Dobson's endorsement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 07/21/2008
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Transparent, or what?

The funny thing about the engineers conference is car companies already know they're going to have to comply with new fuel standards. They hung on to the SUV/truck fad way too long, and they're broke. They KNOW they have to move on it. It's a given.

They knew he was pandering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 07/21/2008

Flippity McFlop is so filled with mavericky goodness that he disagrees with himself at least twice a day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 07/21/2008
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That mavericky goodness smells awfully like a fresh cow flop, don't you think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 07/21/2008
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He went to the engineers conference in Detroit and denounced federal fuel efficiency standards.

One of his faux " principled environmental" positions, back when they thought he was going to attract Independents.

The environment went under the bus right after his "principled" stand on immigrants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 07/21/2008
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Mc Maverick doesn't even acknowledge his earlier positions. He just calls all his former quotes all lies?? What's up with that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 07/21/2008
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other than oil, i still dont know why we are there......................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 07/21/2008
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It's raining government contracts ... corprorate welfare for the criminally insane.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 07/21/2008
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By your blogs; you should have nothing to worry about you don't make more than $500,000 a year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 07/21/2008

Think of all the money and time spent to kill people in Eyerack (who had nothing to do with 911) being spent on alternate energy development!
I sure hope Obama is not another stooge for the oil companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 07/21/2008
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Iraq wants us out by Dec. 31st, 2010. They want the invaders to leave by that time. On tape, by multiple sources. Iraq wants us out. As much as the USA wants to be Israel, it can't. Leave... go home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 07/21/2008
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Nouri al-Maliki: we will not be undersold. All serious offers will be matched.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 07/21/2008

Did Viet Nam teach McCain nothing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 07/21/2008
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