Obama in Iraq: Withdrawal support but no timetable

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BRIAN MURPHY and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA | July 21, 2008 10:06 PM EST | AP

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In this photo released by the U.S. army, U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama, left, top U.S. military commander in Iraq, David Petraeus, center, and U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel, R-Neb, ride inside a helicopter in Baghdad, Iraq, Monday, July 21, 2008. Iraq's government welcomed Obama on Monday with a message of apparent common ground on American troop withdrawal goals: expressing hopes that combat forces could leave by 2010. (AP Photo/Ssg. Lorie Jewell, HO)

BAGHDAD — Face to face with Iraq's leaders, Barack Obama gained fresh support Monday for the idea of pulling all U.S. combat forces from the war zone by 2010. But the Iraqis stopped short of actual timetables or endorsement of Obama's pledge to withdraw troops within 16 months if he wins the presidency.

The Democratic presidential contender also got a military briefing _ and a helicopter tour _ from the top U.S. commander in the region, Gen. David Petraeus, and also met with a few of the nearly 150,000 U.S. troops now well into the war's sixth year.

Back in the U.S., Republican rival John McCain said he hoped the visit would open Obama's eyes to the danger of withdrawal timetables. Said the Arizona senator, who was meeting with President Bush's father, the former president, in Maine: "When you win wars, troops come home." He said of Obama: "He's been completely wrong on the issue."

In Washington, the White House expressed displeasure with recent public comments by Iraqi leaders on the withdrawal question and suggested they might have the U.S. election on their minds.

As Obama visited Iraq for the first time in more than two years, comments Monday by the government's spokesman roughly mirrored the Illinois senator's withdrawal schedule and offered a glimpse of Iraq's growing confidence as violence drops and Iraqi security forces expand their roles.

"We are hoping that in 2010 that combat troops will withdraw from Iraq," spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said after Obama met with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki _ who has struggled for days to clarify Iraq's position on a possible timetable for a U.S. troop pullout.

Iraq's Sunni vice president, Tariq al-Hashemi, said after meeting Obama that Iraqi leaders share "a common interest ... to schedule the withdrawal of American troops."

"I'd be happy if we reach an agreement to say, for instance, the 31st of December 2010" would mark the departure of the last U.S. combat unit, he said _ then noted that any such goal could be revised depending on threats and the pace of training for Iraqi security forces. That date would be some seven months later than Obama's 16-month timeline.

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Obama said almost nothing to reporters following him, but promised fuller impressions after he finishes here Tuesday and heads to Jordan and Israel.

He released a statement late Monday noting that Iraqis want an "aspirational timeline, with a clear date," for the departure of U.S. combat forces.

"Prime Minister Maliki told us that while the Iraqi people deeply appreciate the sacrifices of American soldiers, they do not want an open-ended presence of U.S. combat forces. The prime minister said that now is an appropriate time to start to plan for the reorganization of our troops in Iraq _ including their numbers and missions. He stated his hope that U.S. combat forces could be out of Iraq in 2010," Obama said in a joint statement with Sens. Chuck Hagel, a Republican from Nebraska, and Jack Reed, a Democrat from Rhode Island, who accompanied him to the war zone.

The senators also acknowledged a significant decline in violence in Iraq, and said that while their has been some "forward movement" on political progress, reconciliation and economic development, there has not been "nearly enough to bring lasting stability to Iraq."

Obama told ABC News that military leaders have "deep concerns" about a timetable that doesn't account for changing conditions.

"I don't think that there are deep concerns about the notion of a pullout per se," he said in the interview. "There are deep concerns about, from their perspective, of a timetable that doesn't take into account what they anticipate might be some sort of change in conditions."

Obama also said that knowing what he knows now he still would have opposed sending more troops to Iraq last year.

In Washington, the White House expressed unhappiness about Iraqi leaders' apparent public backing for Obama's troop withdrawal plans and suggested they may be trying to use the U.S. presidential election as leverage for negotiations on America's presence and future obligations in the country.

"We don't think that talking about specific negotiating tactics or your negotiating position in the press is the best way to negotiate a deal," White House press secretary Dana Perino said after al-Maliki was quoted in a magazine article supporting Obama's proposed 16-month troop withdrawal timeline. Al-Maliki's spokesman, al-Dabbagh, initially appeared to try to discredit the magazine report but on Monday newly expressed hopes that U.S. combat forces could be out of Iraq by 2010.

The Bush administration has refused to set specific troop level targets but last week offered to discuss a "general time horizon" for a U.S. combat troop exit.

Asked whether the Iraqis might be trying to use the U.S. presidential election for leverage in negotiations over the future of the American military mission in Iraq, Perino said, "I think that a lot of other people look through the lens of a 2008 presidential election. ... Might they be? Sure. I mean, it's possible."

Iraq was the third leg of Obama's tour of the region, which has included stops in Kuwait and Afghanistan.

The counterpoint was clear: Obama opposed the Iraq war from the start and views the battle against the resurgent Taliban and al-Qaida in Afghanistan as America's most critical fight.

But Iraq is not the same place as when Obama last visited in January 2006.

Both Sunni insurgents, including al-Qaida in Iraq, and Shiite militias have suffered significant blows. And security forces in Baghdad _ once the scene of near daily car bombs and sectarian killings _ have made clear gains since last year's troop build-up of nearly 30,000 soldiers.

In an interview Monday on ABC's "Good Morning America," McCain said he hoped Obama would now "have the opportunity to see the success of the surge."

"This is the same strategy that he voted against, railed against," McCain said. "He was wrong about the surge. It is succeeding and we are winning."

All five surge brigades have left Iraq, but there are still about 147,000 U.S. soldiers in the country.

Obama _ traveling in a congressional delegation with Reed and Hagel_ first arrived in the city of Basra in Iraq's mostly Shiite south. Basra is the center for about 4,000 British troops involved mostly in training Iraqi forces. An Iraqi-led offensive begun in March reclaimed control of most of the city from Shiite militia believed linked to Iran.

Obama's foreign stops, which will conclude with a swing through Europe, were seen as an attempt to burnish his foreign policy credentials and address challenges by McCain that he is too inexperienced to lead in a time of war and global risks.

They also gave Obama a taste of some of the difficulties in Iraq that the next president will inherit. Important negotiations on a pact defining the future U.S. military commitment have stalled.

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AP White House Correspondent Terence Hunt in Washington contributed to this report.

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- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 673 fans permalink
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We must reward the war hero with the highest office in the land, that is the least we can do after all he has sacrificed. After all he has been through losing this election might put him over the edge. His mental stability is on thin ice, let's not upset him. McTorture 08 !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 07/21/2008
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Does anyone think Bobby Jihad has a chance? I have emails from my great aunt about this guy. I hear he is really, really sick.

He reminds me of one of those 9-11 hijackers. TheJordanian one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 07/21/2008
- ZHarris I'm a Fan of ZHarris 48 fans permalink
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How long has he been Governor; 3 monthes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 07/21/2008
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He's got no chance, but I love talking about him. LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 07/21/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

He's the only young conservative.

It's a heavy, heavy burden. He'll be both governor and VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 07/21/2008
- SaulGoode I'm a Fan of SaulGoode 4 fans permalink

Really? How are they similar?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 07/21/2008
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I am just saying. This guy has a weird name/exotic name. Is he one of us? How much do we know about this Bobby Jihad?

He looks Middle Eastern to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 07/21/2008

You people are sick! You say that Republicans are bigoted and mean. I've never seen such racist vitriol on the conservative sites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 07/21/2008
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And it makes me wonder …

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 07/21/2008
- rivrgrrl I'm a Fan of rivrgrrl 128 fans permalink
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Hah!

O is not even pres. yet and already he has done more for our troops and made more progress than monkeydanceboy has done in five years.

:) Things are looking up for America for a change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 07/21/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 427 fans permalink
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Yyyyyup. My parents were just in S of France. Everyone's talking about O, and how America is going to be respected again.

And it's about freakin' time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 07/21/2008

No kidding.... It will be so nice not having to cringe every time our prez goes abroad when O is finally prez......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 07/21/2008

The world will respect us again like the pimp respects the prostitue

like the spider respects the fly

like the Harlem Globetrotters respect the Washington Generals

Like Krushchev respected kennedy at vienna (oh i forgot, that disastrous one on one meeting in the first year of a new presidency is obama's example of the awesomeness of meeting with your enemies without preconditions)

You obamaniacs don't drink the koolaid. You drink Evian.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 07/21/2008

Hah yourself!

O goes on an extended photo op, takes no questions, and carefully avoids unscripted statements and you think he "done more for our troops than monkeydanceboy (I'd be careful of the insults I choose, if I were you) has done in five years".

Proof that Liberals place a greater premium on what is said than on what is done.

Despite the AA soldiers fawning over O, the majority of soldiers support Mc-Cain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 07/21/2008

liberals are whiners - conservatives are doers

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 07/21/2008
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What makes you think the majority of soldiers support McCain? The public campaign contribution information indicates exactly the opposite. Are you basing you claim on simple stereotypes that the Republicans have been feeding you for years? The Republican war mongers tell you that the "military" supports them and you drink the kool-aid? The number of dollars contributed to each campaign runs counter to your assumption by a wide margin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 07/21/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 328 fans permalink

Is that really what you saw? I saw a lot of service men and women of all colors. You really are one of the most pitiful people I have ever come across. Are you for real?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 07/21/2008

You obviously haven't seen the website of Vietnam Vets who will NOT BE VOTING FOR MCCAIN. All military knows that McCain voted against every bill that was introduced to Sentate that had to do with the military, veteran care and voted against the GI Bill...he wants military to lifers. So, why would they vote for an idiot like McCain who does't care about their well being, livelihood or the statement of mind when they return from war? Obama made sure that the vets did not have to PAY for their food in the hospitals....so yeah, McCain is the man ....right....Not going to happen........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 07/21/2008

Well at least you gave the troops a real laugh - at you!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 07/21/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Mc.Cain is proving unfit to run a Presidential campaign -- let alone actually holding the office. Believe it or not, this guy is less intelligent than B.ush. How crazy is that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 07/21/2008
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Crazy. I have been saying that for a very long time. McCain isn't up to snuff.

The guy is lucky to serve in the Senate. President just wouldn't be fair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 07/21/2008
- wolfbato I'm a Fan of wolfbato 4 fans permalink

Two words for anybody that thinks because McCain is a war hero that makes him undeniably worthy of the Presidency or any office .... "Duke Cunningham"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 07/21/2008
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Crazy. I have been saying that for a very long time. Mc*Cain isn't up to snuff.

The guy is lucky to serve in the Senate. President just wouldn't be fair

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 07/21/2008
- Sabreen60 I'm a Fan of Sabreen60 73 fans permalink
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Yep. He and his campaign complain about 0 receiving more M S M coverage. But no one talks about whether the coverage is negative. Mc. Kane's gaffes are not mentioned 9 times out of 10. So he may not be getting the most coverage, but he sure is getting the most positive coverage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 07/21/2008
- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 85 fans permalink
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Yes, I just heard that again on CNN. Yes, Obama gets MORE time, but its spun more negatively.

Every Obama misstep (real or usually just imagined) is magnified and discussed and criticized ad-nauseum.

Mostly, McCain's aren't even MENTIONED.

Could the MSM start to talk about how the BIAS isn't in the time rehashing Obama "problems"--its in the SPIN the press gives these two--and how McCain's is more POSITIVE (even if it means covering up every gaffe-of-the-day for him)!

Can't. Stand. The. MSM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 07/21/2008

You're telling me they never showed that Hezbollah gaffe 100 times? You know the Lieberman one?

Remember when McCain supposedly said that he would meet with Hamas and then the MSM cut out the rest of the interview which put McCain's comment in context. It was on all the networks. Nobody showed both parts of the interview except Fox.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 07/21/2008
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Less intelligent than Bush? Are you sure that is even possible?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 07/21/2008

So why oh why do the repubs keep making excuses for his maverickness.... now it is just another misspeak that he was wrong about what countries share borders.... how many does the mavericky maverick have to screw up before they throw up there hands and get themselves a new candidate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 07/21/2008
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That would require admitting they made a mistake.

Never gonna happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 07/21/2008

Of course... why do the intelligent thing.... the logical thing.... sheesh... I am really starting to believe there may be a genetic difference between repubs and everyone else... why would anyone choose to be so stoooopid on purpose?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 07/21/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 118 fans permalink
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All the rethugs ever have is excuses. No plans, no successes, nothing but excuses. Oh, and rascism, paranoia and fear-mongering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 07/21/2008

racism? what do you call "Bobby Jihad?" Isn't that racist?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 07/21/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

It's funny how those who shill for Obama are saying the press and repubs make excuses for McCain...what exactly are you people doing?

Until...and only until...Obama is President...he has no business trying to shape the agenda for Iraq...no matter how much we may detest Bush, and that is a given, as long as he is still President, it will be up to him to decide what happens for now...Obama can make all the promises he wants...Iraqis, as one man interviewed by the BBC said, are tired of promises and politicians making empty commitments...

The Audacity of Hope?

How about the Audacity of being Audacious?

Presumptiveness of Obama and his minions is not only astonishing, but absurd...

And all you shills bitched about HILLARY thinking she was guaranteed a win?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 07/21/2008

At last, a way to make war work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 07/21/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 673 fans permalink
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The war hero wants to shore up the Iraq / Pakistan border where evil doer's do evil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 07/21/2008
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And the money saved from the g a s t a x holiday will pay for it.

Yeehaw!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 07/21/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 328 fans permalink

Oh wow. Now I can say I have seen and heard everything. That's it, nothing more. Wow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 07/21/2008

Listen up Obama kiddies, grow up. You realize now that Obama's quick withdrawal will make OIL prices surge even higher right? An even more unstable Iraq. Maliki wants higher oil prices. So, do all the Arab states. Where is Obama's energy policy? OH--Thats right he voted for the CHENEY energy plan which equals or has equaled HIGHER OIL prices, more instability in the world. He voted for it, HRC did not. His plan was right of HRC's. You haven't seen anything yet. China's appetite for OIL is insatiable. No wonder Maliki is into Barry O's withdrawal time table plans. They all love Barry O over there. Bring on more Middle East instability elect Barry O. LOL.

Be prepared for more Starbucks closings fools. Where are you going to work or drink your lattes in the next year when this world falls into a global recession because of higher OIL prices? You think Iraq will be stable in 10-16 months? Grow up what choice do we have now? The surge has worked. That was Mccains plan not Bambi's. We need a stable Iraq before we leave. Unless, of course you want a major global recession and this country on its knees economically. You think whats happening now is bad? Wake up! Never have I seen such a bunch of naive, unintelligent , irrational fools as Obama supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 07/21/2008
- noneIn2008 I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 27 fans permalink

Obama calls for more troops to Afghanistan. Just a shell game vs getting us out of this land war in Asia. Instead of blindly pitching Obama points, objectively evaluate his political double talk. He is not as bad as McCain, but both are horrible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 07/21/2008
- blastocyst I'm a Fan of blastocyst 34 fans permalink

For 'BirkenShlock:
Frankly, I don't think MCI will be recoded for most misers making "stupid" asides when it comes to the economy, O Brock Abeam erstwhile enjoying his foreign AFAIK Neurons do realize that completely responsible for the slow Doy Neurons realize we are paying the ancientness realize the Iraqi government will eventually have to take over phlyins are aware this is only a temporary fix to Liston realize your leader is covering his onions drivel? What's Sansone obtaining out that the left wing group, MIRVing, which Abeam courted, insinuated that our commanding General in Iraq would betray his country? Abeam did court Mekong members, didn't he? This is a trick question because both were already Presidents of the United States. The first one is noted States, Jams Bacon. He is the President who mired us in the Civil War by declaring the action illegal but doing nothing when the south decided to secede, the Unitarians were the worst Presidia followed by the Occam the 16th President of the United States: Oracling. Abfackeln is credited with the end of slavery, the invocation of the nation. He became president at a time when our country was deeply divided over plankton. He had no expansiveness. He widely croons as one of the best Presidents in Amerce is taking photos with this. Genitally he cant be blamed for his completest drop out and Brewpubs should nominate Hill from the floor of the brewpub convention and get it over with!
xoxo-blasto!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 07/21/2008
- marchamlin I'm a Fan of marchamlin 5 fans permalink

Try making some sense. I can't even tell what side you are arguing. Are you drunk?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 07/21/2008
- blastocyst I'm a Fan of blastocyst 34 fans permalink

Only my hairdresser knows for sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 07/21/2008
- Sabreen60 I'm a Fan of Sabreen60 73 fans permalink
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So you said (or didn't say) all that to say you want Hil to be nominated at ?someones? c onvention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 07/21/2008
- blastocyst I'm a Fan of blastocyst 34 fans permalink

That was just for kicks. Brock's fine with me!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 07/21/2008
- suzyhein I'm a Fan of suzyhein 63 fans permalink
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ohhhhh. bless you. poor thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 07/21/2008
- blastocyst I'm a Fan of blastocyst 34 fans permalink

Alms O blessed one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 07/21/2008
- emmav70 I'm a Fan of emmav70 5 fans permalink

Seriously .

What the hell was THAT ?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 07/21/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 427 fans permalink
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I'd love to argue against the above comment, but I don't really know what they're arguing for or against.

So I'll agree with some of if, and disagree with other parts.

But in general I agree, or don't, with what they're trying or not trying to say.

So. Yes. I second it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 07/21/2008
- blastocyst I'm a Fan of blastocyst 34 fans permalink

Sorry that I've crossed the line. And thanks for that vote of confidence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 07/21/2008
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This trip has been a home run for Barack Obama!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 07/21/2008
- ZHarris I'm a Fan of ZHarris 48 fans permalink
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To steal a great line...

The only thing that would have made the week better would have been Ob ama pulling B in La den out of a cave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 07/21/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Maybe if he said something that was not more than sloganeering it would be a good week...the man never says anything of substance...it's all self-centered blather and gibberish. McCain is not much better...you all battle on with your two loser of a candidates...the rest of us will sit back and laugh at you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 07/21/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 427 fans permalink
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Honest to G-d... the best thing we could do for this country is for us to stop commenting for a couple of days, and let Sweat, Shortbus, Bradlley, OnHemp, and the rest of them just talk amongst themselves. We should invite undecideds to just sit and read.

"Did you know that O clubbed baby seals?"

"No way! That's worse than when he peed on the graves of dead white people. It's ALL over the news"

"Well that's nothing. Did you know that ABC did an expose, and with hidden cameras, the Mes siah said, Yes, I'm a black panther! Seriously! Did you see it?"

"I saw it! Yes. He was eating a watermelon, and fried chicken, and he was doing some weird dance in its blood, which was spilled all over our flag. I'll get the post for you".

- To which our undecideds would think "What the f*$k is wrong with these people?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 07/21/2008
- JiminNC I'm a Fan of JiminNC 300 fans permalink
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;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 07/21/2008
- rivrgrrl I'm a Fan of rivrgrrl 128 fans permalink
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;) ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 07/21/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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Good idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 07/21/2008
- protagonia I'm a Fan of protagonia 81 fans permalink

Dentuso,

Not the "undecided's", but the "underdeveloped's".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 07/21/2008

All polls show the race for president as being a tie even though O and his faithful followers are trying very hard to buy the election, people realize that O has no more experience that a person on a common council of a small town, while Mac is an expert in foreign affairs and has friendships with many world leaders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 07/21/2008

BradPittsburgh
And O messiah thinks Jeru salem is the capital of Is rael.
posted 07/21/2008 at 10:29:59

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 07/21/2008
- Indyfromny I'm a Fan of Indyfromny 17 fans permalink
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friendships with many world leaders.


Thats why Obama is prefered 5 to 1 over 'Mac' in Europe.

Dont you get bored with your BS?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 07/21/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 118 fans permalink
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More b s from a rethuglican tool and fool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 07/21/2008
- robotfog I'm a Fan of robotfog 23 fans permalink
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yeah. we need more money. I'm going to sell what's left of my children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 07/21/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 427 fans permalink
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I'm totally with you. Sell my children too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 07/21/2008
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 328 fans permalink

L L P O F. TRANSLATION: Liar Liar Pants On Fire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 07/21/2008
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