Dems Will Gain Seats This Fall -- But How Many?

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First Posted: 07-25-08 11:48 AM   |   Updated: 08- 2-08 05:12 AM

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Lost amid the media frenzy over Barack Obama's tour abroad is recognition that this week has arguably been the most successful of the cycle for Senate Democratic candidates.

On Monday, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee posted its strongest quarter of the election cycle, raising $20.9 million with $46.2 million on hand -- nearly double the $24.6 million available to the National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee. "With just over 100 days to go until Election Day," wrote DSCC chairman Charles Schumer, "we are exactly where we need to be to run strong winning campaigns and expand our majority."

It's not just the congressional committees. Democratic candidates themselves appear financially well-positioned heading into the fall. From April through June, Minnesota candidate Al Franken raised $2.26 million compared to Sen. Norm Coleman's $2.35 million. Former Mississippi Governor Ronnie Musgrove raised $814,000 to conservative interim Senator Roger Wicker's $822,000. In North Carolina, Democratic nominee Kay Hagan has $1.54 million to Elizabeth Dole's $1.69 million. And in Maine, Democratic Congressman Tom Allen has $1 million to incumbent Susan Collins $1.06 million. The big leads are evident too. In Virginia, Warner has $3 million and Gilmore has less than $500,000. In Oregon, Merkley has $1.42 million and Smith has $1.35 million. In New Mexico, Tom Udall has $2.1 million and Pearce has $1.2 million. In Kentucky, Lunsford has $3.1 million and McConnell has $2.95 million. In Colorado, Mark Udall has $2.04 million to Schaffer's $1.4 million. In Alaska Begich has $1 million to Stevens' $745,000.

The conservative Washington Times felt compelled to publish a dreary editorial bemoaning the state of the congressional Republicans, while even sober analysts are predicting a shift of between five to seven seats into Democratic hands.

"Things are rolling for the Democrats," said Jennifer Duffy of the Cook Political Report. "I don't laugh anymore at eight or nine. A few races have to fall into play but they are close. They have Virginia gone, New Mexico is also gone, and six races are toss ups, including Minnesota, which [despite recent good news for Coleman] will still be a close race."

Indeed, it may no longer be so much of a pipe dream for the Democrats to gain the much-vaunted 60 vote majority needed to bypass GOP filibustering on the Senate floor. It is a long shot, of course, entailing many unforeseen circumstances, including the caucus keeping Sen. Joseph Lieberman among its ranks. And yet, the wheels are clearly rolling.

Take two examples: Alaska and Mississippi, states that have long been hostile turf to Democrats. One year ago, Alaska Republican Ted Stevens was a popular, pork barrel providing, firebrand conservative whose occupancy of his seat had made him a Senate institution. An ongoing FBI investigation into his suspicious relationship with Bill Allen, the founder of an Alaska-based oil services company, however, has spurned criticism of lax ethics and possible corruption.

The FBI detailed last year that Allen provided more than $400,000 in payments to public officials from the state in exchange for propitious energy legislation. It is unclear whether or not Stevens directly received any money in this exchange, but Allen's employees were paid to make major renovations to the Senator' house in 2000. The scandal has brought a discomforting element to the state's traditionally united GOP. Republican Governor Sarah Palin has distanced herself from Stevens, as have a number of key national figures, including John McCain (though the two have a history of butting heads - primarily over earmarks). As a result, Stevens now finds himself in danger of being booted from office by Democratic Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich, who has tied or surpassed Stevens in several recent polls.

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If Alaska is a Red State that Democrats are hoping to turn blue, Mississippi is deep crimson. When former Senator Trent Lott resigned in 2007 to become a lobbyist, his seat was temporarily appointed to former Rep. Roger Wicker. A special election will take place this fall to permanently fill Lott's seat for the remainder of his six-year term and signs suggest that Wicker, despite being in office for some months, could easily lose his post.

His opponent, Ronnie Musgrove, former Democratic Governor of the state, gained popularity by helping to ensure that Mississippi became the first state to have an internet-accessible computer in every classroom, and brought in over $14 billion in new investments to the state. He is also one of the more moderate Democrats running for Senate, having earned a reputation as a staunch fiscal conservative.

Another advantage may be name recognition. Mississippi's Senate race is a special election, meaning that neither candidate's party will be included on the ballot. Since voting along party lines is not an option, voters are left to chose based on surnames only. Musgrove served as Lieutenant Governor for four years, then as Governor for another four, positions that provided statewide recognition. Wicker has been in the Senate for less than a year and before that served in the House of Representatives.

Even if the Democrats win seats in both Alaska and Mississippi, the chances of achieving 60-vote majority remains slim. Nevertheless experts and even Republicans themselves are of the conviction that the GOP brand is toxic. As the Politico reported on Tuesday, "Republican Senate leaders -- terrified by the prospect of losing five or more seats in November -- have freed their members to vote however they need to vote to get reelected, even if that means bucking the president or the party's leadership."

Nathan Gonzales, political editor of the Rothenberg Political Report, told the Huffington Post: "the decline of the Republican brand rests heavily on President Bush. He is one of the biggest unanswered questions of the election cycle, whether or not John McCain can successfully distance himself from President Bush is still a question." Bottom line, according to Gonzales, "Democrats will gain seats, we just don't know how many."

Lost amid the media frenzy over Barack Obama's tour abroad is recognition that this week has arguably been the most successful of the cycle for Senate Democratic candidates. On Monday, the Democratic...
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Hope they have taken 'Joe' off their list and are not counting him as one of the 60.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 07/27/2008

I think Joe and Chuck cancel each other out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 07/27/2008
- magen I'm a Fan of magen 16 fans permalink

Should we treat them as "well" as they've treated us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 07/27/2008

Because they have not impeached the criminals Bush and Cheney, the spineless Democrats do not deserve to win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 07/27/2008
- syllepsis I'm a Fan of syllepsis 24 fans permalink

On the merits, they deserve to be run out of the country on a rail.
As do the people they will be running against, of course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 07/27/2008

Agree that the current Dems are 'nadless wonders. We need more congressman like Kucinich. I don't care if they have D's or R's after their states/names, just give me more congressional members who have the conviction to make the right choice, not the choice whichthey deem the most politically advantageous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 07/27/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 38 fans permalink

I'm torn on the majority issue. Part of me wants so desperately to see a Dem controlled white house and Congress at the same time so that we can repair the damage the similarly GOP controlled trofecta inflicted. But another part of me is scared silly by it. Voters have notoriously short memories and I am scared we're making another "Scapegoat Jimmy" mistake where the GOP (Nix-on/Fo-rd) run the economy into the ground and then hand it off to a Dem scapegoat to whip up anger towards all the painful things necessary to fix things and sail back in once the mess has been cleaned up. When the GOP took the majority, they had Clin-ton's propserity and balanced budgets to play with, which bought them 6 years of solid majority. If Oba-ma and the Dems take a majority in 2008, they effectively have 18 months to turn things around significantly (not just a minor recovery but a full blown recovery/bounce /boom) or we'll just open the doors for another Reagan swing.

So is it exciting to have the prospect of Dem majority? Sure. But I wish it was not such a bad economy going in and just once, we could actually get to benefit from the grown up policies our party implements. Oba-ma and crew will have one helluva job in their first 18 months if we don't want to see the Re-agn revolution/C-arter collapse part deux.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 07/27/2008
- jcwtts1 I'm a Fan of jcwtts1 183 fans permalink
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I understand you concern, I've shared it a little myself. But here is the reality. With a 60 vote majority we can do so many things so quickly that I think we can shift the country to center left in four years. Obama is popular enough, charismatic enough that we can hold the majority during the midterms in his first term. We can move through the New New Deal in the first six months and put people back to work. We don't have to have the economy fixed just moving differently. For example, with a radical upswing in infrastructure jobs, roads, bridges, tunnels, but also schools hospitals and community centers, we can put hundreds of thousands of people to work in the first hundred days. More, these materials needed to build these infrastructure components must all be built here as a matter of national security. That means hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs, good union, blue collar jobs that can keep people in the middle class. Now the manufacturing jobs take longer to show up but the construction and infrastructure jobs show up much quicker. We can't do any of that without sixty votes in the senate. Seriously we have to fund these senate races.

J

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 07/27/2008

I don't know..... Jimmy Carter was pretty a dismal president, and left the nation feeling depressed and demoralized. You can't place that blame on anyone else for his shortcomings. I remember those days all too well.

Obama is much more optimistic and inspiring character than Carter could ever be. He will be inheriting an economy that is in better shape than the mainstream doomsday press is reporting. Like Clinton, he will do ok if he has enough Republicans in Congress to temper some of his more outrageous proposals. If he has a Democrat majority, it won't be a good thing for his presidency or the country, and will pave the way for the Republican resurgence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 07/27/2008

I suggest you actually win the election before you start counting majorities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 07/27/2008
- MrWebster I'm a Fan of MrWebster 8 fans permalink

great any bit helps but the same craven leadership...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 07/27/2008
- MBryant I'm a Fan of MBryant 21 fans permalink
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So if the Dems get 60 in the Senate and a mandate-style majority in the house - can they also get someone who knows what to do with it? Leave Hillary Clinton in the senate and let's have a new senate majority leader (Clinton) and a new Speaker of the House (anyone but Pelosi). Pelosi and Reid were lapdogs for Bush - they'll be worshippers of Obama. Clinton has shown she can lead and provides a nice counterpoint to Obama. And yes, even the messianic Mr. Barack will require constiutional balance of powers. Let's not squander the chance for real change on a Dem leadership team that isn't competent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 AM on 07/27/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 117 fans permalink
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I don't think HRC is supportive enough of her fellow Democrats to be their leader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 AM on 07/27/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 38 fans permalink

Hogwash. Stop being such a bitter kool aid addled kultist for more than 5 seconds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 07/27/2008

Anyone who thinks 60 seats is a holy grail is ignorant of history. While Carter was president, Democrats held 62 to 63 Senate seats and and 291 to 292 House seats. What happened? Carter and the Democrats fought each other like dogs. We are already hearing the congressional Democrats bitching about Obama's "arrogance" and seeing the Clinton people (all the happy talk about unity notwithstanding) go their own way.

The underlying issue is that, once you take away Bush fatigue, the Democrats do not have much of any kind of platform or set of unifying themes. It's the elephant in the living room, and no one will talk about it, at least for now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 07/27/2008
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 43 fans permalink

The Republicans talk civility while being viciously partisan. Executive actions have undercut overtime laws and diminished Social Security payments by switching the inflation index from wages to prices. Lies and illegal wars are merely part of their heritage. Hatred and loathing are powerful political inspirations, but I'm glad the Democrats are the party of tolerance and conscientious public service. I don't even mind that they are not altogether crazy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 07/27/2008
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"What happened? Carter and the Democrats fought each other like dogs."

Yup, conservatives seem to gravitate toward group-think while liberals seem to revel in independent, freer thinking. I'd say it's somewhat ideological. And there was that brain study not long ago pointing out the "inflexibility" of conservative-leaning minds. I think belonging to a faith-based ideological "club" is self-affirming to right-oriented people. That's been my observation, anyway (observation being, as a "liberal," important to me :))

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 07/27/2008

Yep. Say it LOUD and PROUD. I am a LIBERAL. Not a Progressive....a LIBERAL. If there were more of us, the world truly would be a better place. It's time to take back that word and all of it's meaning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 07/27/2008
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 26 fans permalink
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Back in the day, there were Democrats and there were Democrats.
Hey, it's a Big Tent, remember? Specifically, there were quite a few
'Southern Democrats', once known as 'Dixiecrats', who had their
own unique views, but later became the bedrock of the GOP.

Can you say 'Strom Thurmond'?

There are still huge differences across the spectrum of the Demo
party, but on the whole we are better dealing with that than the
current infestation of hack Repo politicos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 07/27/2008
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 26 fans permalink
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In fact, here's a modest proposal. Eliminate most Repos in Congress.
(Voting them out is sufficient.) Then, create two new
parties out of the Demo super-majority.

Let them be a 'distant memory', like the passenger pigeon.

(Ironically, the Demos were originally known as the
'Democratic Republicans'. Let that take on a new meaning.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 07/27/2008
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 76 fans permalink

Al Franken will be a a great Senator !!
Here is an Okie that is for Franken all the way !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 07/26/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

Too bad he trails by like 15 points here in Minnesota, that pesky avoiding paying taxes really started him out on the wrong foot . . . especially since he wants to raise taxes on normal people but ignores the laws himself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 07/26/2008
- TomR I'm a Fan of TomR 24 fans permalink
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Yes UnbiasView, you sound totally unbiased. Now tell us how you feel about Norm Coleman.

- Tom

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 07/26/2008
- JDJase I'm a Fan of JDJase 8 fans permalink

Sounds to me like something the typical uneducated voter would say

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 07/27/2008
- realwoman I'm a Fan of realwoman 4 fans permalink

OK, this is the way I see it. McCain has only one option. He needs to pick Romney. He can say, "I'll take care of al Qaeda, he (Romney) will get us back on track economically". Romney will help in Michigan (his father was a popular governor); Nevada, Utah and Colorado (mormon votes). But he has to wait for Obama to announce first. Obama, if he knows McCain is picking Romney will have to pick Clinton. That will be interesting. McCain/Romney vs. Obama/Clinton. If he waits and makes it seem that he might not pick Romney, Obama might pick Biden or Bayh. Either way it's all in the timing. Thoughts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 07/26/2008
- JDJase I'm a Fan of JDJase 8 fans permalink

It's possible. I love how McCain is displaying "real leadership" by saying hes gonna wait till Obama announces.

My favorite is Evan Bayh...but relating to this article, if he picks Bayh, then that's one Dem seat lost in the Senate

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 07/26/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 117 fans permalink
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Pretty boy Romney can get Utah, but that is about it. His father was governor of Michigan over 40 years ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 AM on 07/27/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 420 fans permalink
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If McCain take Pawlenty I think the already in trouble Franken doesn't stand a chance. Darned Republicans seem emboldened here with their convention coming up, and the moderates of the state are falling for the slop being strewn Franken's way. I hope I'm wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 07/27/2008

"Obama, if he knows McCain is picking Romney will have to pick Clinton. "

Why? I'd think that Obama would only pick Clinton if his internal polling suggests that he cannot possibly win without her. If he were to select Clinton, it would mean that the core message of the Obama campaign (changing politics, national unity and reconciliation) was an abject failure, and we're right back to the typical partisan Dem vs Repub, red state, blue state, battleground state dynamic of the divided past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 07/27/2008

I think the Dems will get to 56-58 WITHOUT Lieberman. The big question is will they drum him out of the caucus for his shameless shilling for Mccain and endless attacks on Obama. Tricky, because on every non-foreign policy issue, he is a mainstream Dem, from tax cuts to health care to the environment. My guess is they will keep him, because Obama is a consensus-builder. It really depends on what he says at the GOP convention. If Obama gets in with a convincing victory AND strengthened majorities in the house and senate, I think surviving "moderate" republican senators INCLUDING McCain, will not want to be seen as obstructionist. This list obviously includes Collins and Smith and Coleman if they survive, as well as Murkowski, Snowe, Lugar, Grassley, Bond, Dole (if not defeated), Voinovich, Specter, Graham, Alexander and we may as well throw in Lieberman. By my count, there are a minimum of 12 GOPPER senators who are wooable/persuadable using an Obama approach, which moves it far over the 60 margin. Other than Iraq, the biggest fight is on tax cuts for the wealthy, but I don't think that taxes can be filibustered. On Health Care, Education and the Environment Obama can easily bring 6-15 Goppers over with a well-crafted plan...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 07/26/2008
- AxelDC I'm a Fan of AxelDC 100 fans permalink
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They demote him to a lesser committee chair, and let him decide what he wants to do with his last 4 years in the Senate. He isn't coming back in 2012.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 07/26/2008
- heal57 I'm a Fan of heal57 28 fans permalink

Maybe the nursing home will take him sooner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 07/27/2008
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The absolute best thing Dems can do, if we have a majority at last in both Houses, is:
REAL CAMPAIGN REFORM. To stop talking about it, and really do it.

Make it absolutely illegal for ANY entity to invest in any politician. Period.
Completely, absolutely take it ALL away from the lobbyists and outside sources. Call it all what it really is- bribery, and make the penalties lethal and deadly serious. As serious as counterfieting money, when the Secret Service comes after you.. Brother, that's serious.
Set up programs so that no politician pays a dime for his or her campaign. It's all done in paid-for spots sponsored by local and federal governments.

This would be something that would really make our forefathers proud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 07/26/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

FYI, the top lobbying industries donate to Dems so I fail to see why they would do such a thing . . .

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/mems.php

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 07/26/2008
- OtayPanky I'm a Fan of OtayPanky 85 fans permalink
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As a progressive independent, I agree: too often the dem politicians just plain suck - and they make me madder than the repubs because I don't expect anything from the repubs as I do from the dems.

All that said, if we're going to make a significant dent in our systemic problems, and actually snatch control back from the monied few, we need all the dems we can get - even the spineless, lily-livered, weak willed ones who gladly wet their beaks at the corporate trough.

Barack's got a bully pulpit, but unless he has enough POTENTIAL votes on any significant piece of legislation (like national health care) he's not going to be able to bully the pharma lobbies, the insurance lobbies, the doctor and hospital lobbies, etc.

So...given that I'll no doubt have to chose between two devils more often than not, I'll happily choose the devil who's arm can be twisted to vote the right way so we can pass some country changing legislation - rather than the devil who's going to be a stubborn fool on principle.

OBAMA/DEMS '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 07/26/2008
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I live in NC, I believe I know NC very well. I'm also a Democrat in NC where our state government is staunchly Democratic and our national representatives are typically conservative. I don' think Kay Hagan is going to get elected. Maybe I'm wrong and I hope I will be proven wrong. I just don't like how things look down here. If we keep trying to register voters, where most voters are already registered we're going to have a problem come election time, because nobody is going to know who to vote for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 07/26/2008
- OfficialA I'm a Fan of OfficialA 4 fans permalink

I live in NC too. The Invisible Senator Dole should be vulnerable. Trouble is, Hagan is just as invisible as Dole and has poor name recognition to boot. She'd better get off her duff and start working. I have yet to see a Hagan sign or sticker, receive a piece of mail, or get even a robo-call from her campaign. Amazing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 07/26/2008
- rmreddicks I'm a Fan of rmreddicks 36 fans permalink
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Living in Kentucky I'm thinking if the Senate Minority Leader loses his election we may be in for a sea change. Though I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for either. If I can survive 100 more days in this state certainly McConnell will have one more vote against him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 AM on 07/27/2008
- jmundstuk I'm a Fan of jmundstuk 8 fans permalink
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Discipline! Democrats don't have any. A 60-vote majority would not be filibuster-proof because the caucus won't stick together, but Democrats will be blamed for everything, because they'd seem to hold all the power. Our system works best when everyone gets a "taste" as it were. Now, if Obama is president and is able to develop a compelling and widely supported agenda, 60 votes might be okay. But otherwise I don't think it would help us and could hurt us. There's also the everpresent temptation to overreach. GOP did it, boy did they. And, young'uns and history ignoramuses, after FDR's historic landslide in 1936, he proposed adding Justices to the Supreme Court -- under some age-based formula -- to get his guys in there to stop the court from overturning New Deal legislation -- and lost, badly.

Signed, The Pessimist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 07/26/2008
- rmreddicks I'm a Fan of rmreddicks 36 fans permalink
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Most of these folks don't remember the blue dog coalition. Opportunism raises its head in all political situations. Still, it's easier to try with an assumed majority. Maybe Bernie can goad them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 07/27/2008

I used to listen to Al Franken on Air America radio. He had a great show and very well informed and yes, funny. In MN they had a bad experience when they went off the beaten path with Jesse Ventura. I think it is playing against Al. The Repubs played up the tax issue but how many people know that you have to pay sales tax in each state versus a paying it in your own which he did. The only thing that the low information voters heard was Al didn't pay his taxes which wasn't true, he paid them to the wrong entitly. Also, he has caught flack about a satire piece he wrote for Playboy back in the 90's for God's sake. You have to have an IQ of at least 115 to understand satire so that is going to hurt him with the majority of voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 07/26/2008
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I see Al as a dark horse and tortoise; he'll move slowly and correctly... and then win. We need his intelligence and honesty in the Senate.

The more he shows what Coleman is made of ie bushite, the more votes he will garter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 07/26/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

I would love to place a $10,000 bet on that Al loses, I live in Minnesota and know he has no chance. Would you be interested in putting your money where your mouth is?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 07/26/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 123 fans permalink
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I hope and pray Al gets elected. He is a brilliant man and well informed. How ironic that Al is catching flack for his comedy and satire work from years past, yet B ush went AWOL, was(?) a drunk and coke head, screwed up everything he touched, was arrested how many times?, etc., etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 07/26/2008

You know- it would almost be worth seeing Al Franken get elected to see how badly he would perform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 07/26/2008
- noamjunior I'm a Fan of noamjunior 86 fans permalink

you mean like green lighting an illegal war?
WHOOPS that was coleman

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 07/26/2008
- Lion24 I'm a Fan of Lion24 195 fans permalink
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Yeah. The current Congress is doing so well. We wouldn't want to change things up with new members or something.

What color is the sky in your world?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 07/26/2008
- glesslib I'm a Fan of glesslib 24 fans permalink

You should wish you are as smart as Al Franken. Not everyone with wit and humor is an idiot. I listened to him for years, and his grasp of nearly every subject showed him to be a well-read and thoughtful guy. Now, compare that to your president, vice-president, most the the hacks they chose for their cabinet and you'll get a nice contrast.

P.S. He graduated from an Ivy League university, and I believe he actually attended his own classes and did his own work. That woud contrast him nicely with the President and Mr. McCain, a pair of old legacies who barely made it through.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 07/26/2008
- rmreddicks I'm a Fan of rmreddicks 36 fans permalink
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You would like to see a Sen. Limbaugh, too? Or a Lieberman? A Lott?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 AM on 07/27/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

"Al didn't pay his taxes which wasn't true, he paid them to the wrong entitly"

That is true, he didn't pay his income taxes in the right spot which makes him look bad since even the NBA and NFL players can figure that out.

You forgot about the worker's comp taxes he didn't pay either, those were not paid in the wrong spot but rather not paid at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 07/26/2008
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The errors in his tax payments are much more typical than you or those trying to paint Franken as a tax/insurance dodger know. New York's additional state fund WC insurance payment mandate is a sort of one off. Many small businesses that are multi-state make these errors unless they happen to have an office manager that is a payroll expert, that's not a typical skill.

Sports teams commissioned and begged software companies to develop very complicated software to cover all of the rules. Many standard payroll software companies and payroll companies don't handle theses situations easily.

I think I'll drop Al a line to help him develop a better defense to the nonsense being thrown his way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 07/27/2008
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