Obama defends tour, says McCain shifting on war

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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., poses for photos at 10 Downing Street after a meeting with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown in London, Saturday, July 26, 2008. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

LONDON — Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama brushed aside Republican criticism of his overseas trip on Saturday and stood outside the famed 10 Downing Street to say that both President Bush and Sen. John McCain were moving his way on the key issues of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Hours before flying home, Obama also suggested his poll numbers might dip in the coming days, adding: "We have been out of the country for a week. People are worried about gas prices and home foreclosures."

At the same time, he said the journey to two war zones, the Mideast and Europe was important because "many of the issues that we face at home are not going to be solved as effectively unless we have strong partners abroad."

Obama flew home to Chicago Saturday night.

Republicans have criticized Obama throughout his trip, and McCain's campaign said recently the Democrat was taking a "premature victory lap" with more than 100 days remaining in the presidential campaign.

In Arizona on Saturday, McCain took a swipe at the headline-making trip in a radio address on Iraq and energy that his campaign made available to the media: "With all the breathless coverage from abroad, and with Sen. Obama now addressing his speeches to the people of the world, I'm starting to feel a little left out. Maybe you are, too."

But Obama sought to turn that back on his critics. He said McCain had earlier been "telling me I was supposed to take this trip. He suggested it and thought it was a good idea."

"John McCain has visited every one of these countries post-primary that I have," he said. "So it doesn't strike me that we have done anything different than the McCain campaign has done, which is to recognize that part of the job of the next president, commander in chief is to forge effective relationships with our allies."

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The trip was designed by the campaign to show Obama on an international stage in a way that aides hoped would reassure voters who have doubts about his ability to become commander in chief or chart a course for American foreign policy. Jews at home were an audience of particular concern, reflected in his two-night stay in Jerusalem.

McCain has long opposed Obama's call for a 16-month timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraq. On Friday, though, McCain said, "I think it's a pretty good timetable, as we should _ or horizons for withdrawal," echoing a phrase Bush used in recent days. "But they have to be based on conditions on the ground."

At his news conference, Obama jumped on that to say there was now some convergence "around a proposal that we have been making for a year and a half."

He also said McCain supports sending additional U.S. troops to Afghanistan, "and the Bush administration acknowledges that as well. I have been talking about that since last year," he said.

The senator also said he had canceled a planned trip to visit wounded members of the armed forced in Germany after officials told him a retired two-star general who is an adviser was considered campaign staff and "it would therefore be perceived as political because he had endorsed my candidacy but wasn't on the Senate staff."

He said that as a result, he scrapped the trip to avoid injecting political controversy into a visit to wounded troops.

Obama's final day in Europe included meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown at the official residence at 10 Downing Street and with Conservative Party Leader David Cameron in the opposition party's offices in Parliament. Brown's government is unpopular, and his party recently lost a local election that underscored its weakness.

Still, Obama said he had no advice for Brown. "You are always more popular before you are actually in charge of things. And then, you know, once you are responsible then you are going to make some people unhappy, and that is just the nature of politics," he said.

He also breakfasted with former Prime Minister Tony Blair, now a Middle East envoy.

LONDON — Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama brushed aside Republican criticism of his overseas trip on Saturday and stood outside the famed 10 Downing Street to say that both Preside...
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- MaryanneAZ I'm a Fan of MaryanneAZ 129 fans permalink
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The McCain campaign has yet to figure out one important thing about Obama--Obama is a transcendant candidate. Obama transcends race, political affiliation, isolationism, and many of the other dividing chasms that have held a stranglehold on our Nation for years. Obama represents hope and change and embodies those aspirations in a way no other candidate on the Democratic side could have. Obama will win the election because America is ready to rise above all of the partisan, petty and demoralizing postures that are working to destroy our Nation. Obama '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 07/27/2008
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Frustrated McCain shedding ' old' crocodile tears..again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 07/27/2008
- majorteddy I'm a Fan of majorteddy 7 fans permalink

McDufus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 07/27/2008
- loax I'm a Fan of loax 20 fans permalink

You did a great job Senator. McCain wants to have his cake and eat it too. The only thing that the Dems need to do is to come out with ads that hit McCain where it hurts - his flip flopping, taking credit for other peoples ideas, his inability to tell the truth and to twist facts to skewer them to his ends. We are here Senator Obama, and no way will we let the Rethugs or McCain ruin us more than they have!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 07/27/2008
- Binx101 I'm a Fan of Binx101 30 fans permalink

John McCain sold his soul to the Bush handlers in exchange for a shot at the Presidency.

It is really that simple.

John McCain is no longer a Maverick - He's a Desperado

Binx101
The Almost Daily Binx
http://binx101.wordpress.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 07/27/2008
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Yep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 07/27/2008
- NoBo08 I'm a Fan of NoBo08 3 fans permalink

"soundfury See Profile I'm a Fan of soundfury

It was illegal and we don't need to take back anything, because many of those votes were obtained through outright lies and fabrication.

There is such a thing as an international community that right now is putting pressure on Iran to stop their nuclear program. That same community did not approve of us going to war in Iraq and we did it anyway. If we don't respect international law, how do we expect the Iranians to take us seriously or even trust us?

We have lost all crediblity and our standing in the world, and yes, this was an illegal war and we all have a say on this planet. America does not rule this planet. We all have a responsibility to behave morally and ethically."

Wrong intelligence is not criminal and if you will recall a lot of other countries had the same opinion as our government.

The international community approved our actions. Check the UN, there were quite a few resolutions condemning Saddam.

Your credibility statement is just nonsense.

I don't really care if Iran trusts us as long as they fear us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 07/26/2008
- neesy08 I'm a Fan of neesy08 20 fans permalink
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fear? why do you want them to fear us? do you have children? i do not want anybody to fear us. when i hear that i think of people doing what you want out of dread. people doing what they are told to do because they are afraid of what would happen if they are not obedient little children.

what i want is for iraq to stand on its own two feet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 07/26/2008
- mairs I'm a Fan of mairs 241 fans permalink
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There are still people who think invading Iraq was an "honest" mistake? Holy moses!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 07/26/2008

I'll make your day then, everyone fears you. It would be insane not to fear you. Some fear you so much they do the only thing they can think of to do, try and obtain a nuclear deterrent. That does seem to be the only thing that stops your aggressions. You are more feared now than ever, I fear someday you may choose to roll up into my country and steal our oil and in the course of which, devastate my home and kill me and my family. I hope it gives you pleasure to know that you create such fear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 07/27/2008

I forgot to mention this kind of fear creates hatred. That can lead to blowback, you know, where people try to kill you.

Your nation is holding the world, and yourselves, hostage to fear and hate. Is this really the American dream?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 07/27/2008
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That's right because you are a PUMA you believe Hill's lie that she voted for diplomacy in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 AM on 07/27/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 265 fans permalink
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Not even O's kind and generous words about Brown, can save Brown, the Sunday papers are full of articles about how senior ministers are plotting to oust him, possibly in a few weeks. For he just lost one of the safest Labor seats in the UK, in a crucial bi-election in Scotland, this after a series of other disasters almost all of which were mostly his fault. He is toast. Actually, the Labor party is toast, the whole country has turned against the party itself.

On a lighter note, and in the papers, this lovely---and really funny in parts---review of O's visit to London, some of you might really like it:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/27/barackobama.uselections2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 07/26/2008
- neesy08 I'm a Fan of neesy08 20 fans permalink
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i have known this for a while. labor is suffering badly. personally, i would love to see the snp (scottish national party), win. i have been rooting for them for years

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 07/26/2008
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oddly enough their appeal outside Scotland is limited. Much like Plaid Cymru in Wales.

And please, Labour is spelled with a u.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 AM on 07/27/2008
- abouttime I'm a Fan of abouttime 24 fans permalink

"Wrong intelligence is not criminal and if you will recall a lot of other countries had the same opinion as our government"

Name one!

Actually, lying to the people and knowing the facts is a crime. Its called murder!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 07/26/2008
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I think this was still all a big hangover from Blair's failures and Brown has not made anything better. It would be like this country rewarding the Rethughlican party for 8 years of Boosh by voting for McBush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 AM on 07/27/2008
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Oh and what was Blair's big mistake trying to act like a Torry on business, security and "social values".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 AM on 07/27/2008
- Freakpower I'm a Fan of Freakpower 20 fans permalink
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Is McCain running for president of the Troops?...I sure looks like it.

I guess all the rest of us are just chicken feed!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 07/26/2008

O is vacationing overseas and playing faux president and the people have not even elected him yet, that will not go over well come november.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 07/26/2008
- suzyhein I'm a Fan of suzyhein 63 fans permalink
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considering the latest polls, it's going over well now. we'll see about Nov fortuneteller.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 07/26/2008
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 35 fans permalink
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brad , you're back. nice nap ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 07/26/2008

yes, thank you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 07/26/2008
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Dear Huffpo,

Seriously, exactly how many times do the "drive-by posters" need to be flagged before they are banned? They are here just to annoy with senseless dribble and contribute nothing to the discussion.

How many times do they need to be flagged? God knows I flag them every single time!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 07/26/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

Yeppers ... and while Bu$h danced and pranced in Africa while taking his last tour of the world on our hard-earned tax $$$ instead of parking Airforce II somewhere to conserve energy ... you said what!!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 07/26/2008
- donaldw6 I'm a Fan of donaldw6 357 fans permalink
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McBush is going to have his beloved president hung around his neck like an albatross until everyone knows he's nothing but more of the same, and then his poll numbers will look just like W's approval rating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 07/26/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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If anyone believed that Mc.Cain was going to run an 'honorable' campaign, you were seriously mistaken. Mc.Cain released this new t.v. ad today, and it is truly dispicable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49hC9TpP_rY

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 07/26/2008

It is a ruse. He destroyed R0mney in every dirty way possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 07/26/2008
- Dreamers101 I'm a Fan of Dreamers101 240 fans permalink
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If you look at the statements from the tro// ground troops then you will understand that desperation is truly a four letter word.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 07/26/2008
- donaldw6 I'm a Fan of donaldw6 357 fans permalink
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That's a new level. I'm inspired, aren't you? I think I'm inspired enough to imagine some appropriate responses, and I'll bet I'm not the only one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 07/26/2008
- soundfury I'm a Fan of soundfury 13 fans permalink

This whole ad is a monumental lie. He twisted the facts around and made it appear like O doesn't give a d@mn about the troops. I hope O fires back on this one, because this is really worthy of the gutter. Jmac is getting very desperate, and starting to use the rovian playbook. You know a candidate is desperate when they start going down this road. Expect more and worse.

Honorable? By the end of this race he will have forgetten the meaning of the word. It will no longer be part of his vocabulary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 07/26/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

It's desperation, no doubt about it. It has been building rapidly since O has been seen as a world leader overseas. And I agree that there will be much more.

What is Johnny M going to do run ads saying that he now agrees to O's timetable for troop deployment, and also now agrees that we need more troops in Afganastan.
He is between a rock and a hard place in my opinion, and has now succumbed to typical repub style campaigning.
He will get hit by the MSM on the tone his campaign is now taking because he was very vocal early on about running a clean campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 07/26/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

Someone down below posted that O is not American because he is Afr-i-can American.

I guess that makes Johnny Panamanian.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 07/26/2008

I wouldn't waste my time answering a post like that. There are a chosen few in here who love to press your buttons and sometimes you just make it too easy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 07/26/2008

And it is hard for neo's such as myself to admit that O knocked it out of the park a couple times this week. IT is what it is, he did a great job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 07/26/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

Your a refreshing "neo"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 07/26/2008

The biggest problem here is that he has shifted around so much, who knows how he would really govern?

He ran the primary as a hard leftist, and painted HRC as a warmonger. Now he's the one sabre rattling with Iran and talking about endless war in Afghanistan.

He talks about Afghanistan in the same abstract terms as the neocons have talked about Iraq for years now. Making it stable and free, preventing it from becoming a haven for terrorists, etc.

So, for me at least, it's very disconcerting for BHO to speak so negatively about Iraq and so glowingly about a very, very similar mission in Afghanistan.

If anything, Afghanistan should be MORE difficult than Iraq has been. Not only do you have a fledgling government, you've got huge areas of the country that are under control of warlords, sympathetic to Al Qaida and the Taliban, and drug running with the poppy harvest. It's like Iraq crossed with Columbia.

Plus in Iraq you have the carrot of $120 oil dangling there to induce the warring factions to behave themselves and work together. No such luck in Afghanistan.

With Al Qaida across the border in Pakistan, you have to be very careful. They have nukes there, and we can't recklessly induce Pakistanis to rebel and overthrow their government by violating their sovereignty.

Frankly, BHO's approach to Afghanistan seems FAR less thought out than things were in Iraq, which should be troubling for anyone worried about endless war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 07/26/2008
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Thanks for being honest that's a rarity on both sides these days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 AM on 07/27/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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From NBC's Mark Murray:

"In an interview on CNN today -- which the DNC is passing around -- Mc.Cain said that withdrawal from Iraq in 16 months is "a pretty good timetable.""

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Does this mean Mc.Cain would rather lose a war than lose an election?

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/25/1225053.aspx

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 07/26/2008
- Dreamers101 I'm a Fan of Dreamers101 240 fans permalink
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McFlipFlop will claim he did say that but we will have to wait until Monday because he’s off the GE during the weekends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 07/26/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

I admit I get fired up easily.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 07/26/2008
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 35 fans permalink
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GE ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 07/26/2008
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 35 fans permalink
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NB8, you should think about getting your GED, you will learn research skills

You want Dreams to provide you with support for his claims.....

I am still waiting for your "polling data"

"circus poodle ate it ?"

same excuse

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 07/26/2008
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Yes. He wants to surrender.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 07/26/2008

Why are victory and defeat the only two possibilities? Pulling out all COMBAT troops in 16 moths will signify a shift in the mission in Iraq from the military to direct diplomacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 07/26/2008

So if BHO is elected and pulls our troops our of Iraq in 16 months, will he declare victory, or will he declare defeat?

We all know that his posturing now is all political, and that he's running as the candidate of an adamantly anti-victory party. But if elected, BHO would be representing all Americans, and he should do what's best for the country.

Does BHO believe that declaring our defeat would be good for the country? After all, it would serve as a warning to future generations not to attempt something similar. Or does he believe that declaring victory would be good for the country? We need to show strength in the Middle East, and strength in our military prowess.

I really think this question needs to be answered. Preferably in the first debate. "If elected, and if Iraq continues to improve and stabilize, will you declare victory upon redeployment?"

My guess is that BHO would refuse to answer the question, but it's an important consideration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 07/26/2008
- soundfury I'm a Fan of soundfury 13 fans permalink

Can we stop thinking in terms of victory? Victory is a trap, that leads you on a wild goosechase costing thousands more lives and hundreds billions more. Can we please just say that realistically we have achieved militarily as much there as we are going to ever achieve, and that diplomatically we have done next to sqwat?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 07/26/2008
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 35 fans permalink
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Victory and Defeat are terms for the simple minded electorate.

Not really that much basis in reality

Define victory.

If we go by the Bosh definition of victory as stated at the beginning of the war, then
I think Defeat is in order.

It is very unlikely that the region will be more stable when we leave it than it was when we came.

In order to stabilize Iraq and all the different parties you would need someone like Saddam.

We hung him didn't we ?

Not really that much basis in reality

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 07/26/2008
- NoBo08 I'm a Fan of NoBo08 3 fans permalink

We hung him? The Iraqis hung him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 07/26/2008

Democracy will not work in that society at present...... it is too strange a concept to be accepted overnight,,... like toddlers one day ..next day Olympic runners .What was needed was a BENIGN dictator...... I know that's, sorta an oxymoron but you get my drift....... who would keep order amongst the various tribes but not be cruel.Iraq was secular and women could wear western clothes and work, but he was ,as stated very cruel.
It's a mess,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 07/26/2008
- Dreamers101 I'm a Fan of Dreamers101 240 fans permalink
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Hmmm interesting that you bring up victory of an illegal war, how can we as the most powerful country claim this so called victory and actually hold our heads up in honor I dare any of you ne0c0ns to answer this question objectively?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 07/26/2008
- NoBo08 I'm a Fan of NoBo08 3 fans permalink

Illegal war? Tell me where I can find facts to support you statement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 07/26/2008
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Victory of WHAT? Control of the oil supply? The war in Iraq is a scam perpetrated by the corrupt neocons for the benefit of their backers - big oil and war profiteers such as Blackwater and Halliburton. It achieved an immense handover of American taxpayer wealth and is bankrupting our nation.

Why should we keep this unnecessary conflict going so these few companies can reap profits at the expense of human lives and the economy? Saddam is gone and it's up to the Iraqis themselves to govern and control the militias and fighting factions within their own country.

Our boots on their soil is not a solution for long term stability in the region, and serves only to fester a growing animosity of Muslims all around the world to our military interference for the sake of corporations connected to the neocons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 07/26/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

Your post is so presumptive while at the same time i-d-i-o-t-ic I can't even reply.

When did you become "Carnac"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 07/26/2008
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Lots of "accidental" mic pickups, prayer dissemination, and private conversations being leaked in this campaign. This camp is taking viral marketing to a whole new level. If one's hair really turns as gray as it appears in the above picture while campaigning, he's welcome to the job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 07/26/2008

I'm enjoying watching it. It's a riot watching these obsolete, inflexible dolts get caught on mic and camera because they can't fathom that they must evolve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 07/26/2008
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Yeah it certainly would not be fools like yourself trying to invade his privacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 07/26/2008
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