Obama-McCain Matchup: Blowout Or Trench Warfare?

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First Posted: 07-27-08 05:29 PM   |   Updated: 08- 4-08 05:12 AM

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Pollster.com has at the top of its front page a chart suggesting that the presidential election is all but over.

The public opinion experts who run the site say states with 284 electoral college votes - 14 more than the 270 needed to win - lean to or firmly support Barack Obama; states with 147 lean toward or are in John McCain's camp; and 10 states with 107 electoral votes are tossups.

In other words, the site suggests that Obama does not need to win a single tossup state -- Colorado, Missouri, Florida, Virginia, Arizona, Nevada, Montana, North Dakota, North Carolina or Indiana -- to take the oath of office on January 20, 2009.

There are some in the political science community (if community is the right word, perhaps it should be called a cauldron) who share this view and others who are less sanguine about the prospects of an Obama blowout.

One of the first shots is this dispute among academics was fired here on the Huffington Post. In an essay titled "The Myth of a Toss-up Election," Alan Abramowitz (Emory), Tom Mann (Brookings) and Larry Sabato (Virginia), jointly declared:

[V]irtually all of the evidence that we have reviewed - historical patterns, structural features of this election cycle, and national and state polls conducted over the last several months - points to a comfortable Obama/Democratic party victory in November. Trumpeting this race as a toss-up, almost certain to produce another nail-biter finish, distorts the evidence and does a disservice to readers and viewers who rely upon such punditry....


It is no exaggeration to say that the political environment this year is one of the worst for a party in the White House in the past sixty years. You have to go all the way back to 1952 to find an election involving the combination of an unpopular president, an unpopular war, and an economy teetering on the brink of recession....[I]f history is any guide, and absent a dramatic change in election fundamentals or an utter collapse of the Obama candidacy, John McCain is likely to suffer the same fate as Adlai Stevenson.

In a direct rebuttal to "The Myth of a Toss-up Election," James E. Campbell (SUNY-Buffalo) countered with an essay titled "Anybody's Ball Game." He makes these points:

*Dissatisfaction with President Bush does not necessarily translate into antipathy to Senator McCain...The McCain campaign would certainly prefer it if President Bush's approval ratings stood where they were in 2004, but their drop from that point does not put the election out of reach for the Republicans.


* Republicans have one clear advantage in this election. Despite the party's best efforts, Republicans will nominate the most electable candidate in their field....[W]e have recent and hard evidence that Senator McCain votes as a moderate conservative and Senator Obama votes as an extreme or consistent liberal.... If Americans are really looking for a moderate who can work in a bipartisan way to solve the nation's problems--from energy prices to international crises--McCain has the record they are looking for and Obama does not.

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Vanderbilt's John Geer, in turn, is by no means convinced that McCain will lose as badly as Adlai Stevenson in 1952.

"We all know it is a Democratic year. But that does not mean Obama will win. Yes, the odds are in his favor. But there are at least 3 reasons why the election may be close, with either McCain or Obama winning," Geer said.

First, according to Geer, "we live in a post 9-11 world and the public has to be comfortable with a candidate's ability to deal with foreign policy. Many voters are not yet comfortable....Second, McCain is a good candidate....Third, the last two presidential elections have been very close. Yes, there have been Democratic gains in some quarters and turnout may be up. But turnout was up in 2004 from 2000 and Republicans had made gains right after 9-11 and yet the election remained close."

Robert Y. Shapiro (Columbia) also sees a close election, but he adds that the closeness means the quality of the two campaigns will become all the more crucial: "This is where I see Obama as the likely victor not only in the popular vote but in winning, perhaps by very close margins, in the past blue states he needs to hold on to, and in Ohio and states in the west and possibly a few surprises. This will happen if, as I expect, Obama outcampaigns McCain."

Along similar lines, Michael S. Lewis-Beck, of the University of Iowa, said he and a colleague, Charles Tien of Hunter College, City University of New York, have just written an essay forecasting "that Obama will win, but just by a hair. The reason the contest will be so close is because of what we call 'ballot box racism.' We estimate that about 11 or 12 percent of voters who would otherwise vote for Obama will not vote for him because he is black. Our forecasting model, if uncorrected for the race factor, predicts a landslide for Obama. But once the 'racial cost' is corrected for, we get a bare Obama majority (about 50.6% of the two-party popular vote)."

Helmut Norpoth of Stony Brook University has an even closer prediction based on his model: a virtual tie, 50.1 percent for Obama, 49.9 percent for McCain.

Colby College's L. Sandy Maisel, in contrast, argued:

The preponderance of the political science analysis leads to the Abramowitz, Mann, Sabato conclusion that Obama will win this election handily.... In my view, this election is Obama's unless he makes some very serious error--and I doubt that will happen. I cannot see what McCain can do to help his own cause appreciably.

Political scientists are not reluctant to add a little edge to their comments. Maisel, for example, said those who argue the election will be competitive "are grasping at straws." Norpoth, in turn, countered that the "Abramowitz et al. claim is the real myth here."

Pollster.com has at the top of its front page a chart suggesting that the presidential election is all but over. The public opinion experts who run the site say states with 284 electoral college vote...
Pollster.com has at the top of its front page a chart suggesting that the presidential election is all but over. The public opinion experts who run the site say states with 284 electoral college vote...
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if you ask someone who doesn't feel confident about Obama "well, what if he was white?"

and they hesitate..

then racial prejudices still exists. it may not be direct, or hateful, but it still exists. But I find it uplifting to see so many people not rolling-over and accepting that some people are stuck in the past, but trying to have their voices heard, educating themselves in case of debate, and making sure that the truth and integrity raise to the top.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 08/03/2008
- mypov123 I'm a Fan of mypov123 18 fans permalink
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I sense that after the conventions, after the attempts to swiftboat Obama, that there will be trench warfare on Election Day, rather than a "blowout" or landslide. And before the Hillary supporters say something like "that's why Hillary would be the more electable candidate", I think it would be a close race for Hillary as well. The Repubs didn't take the opportunity to smear her the way they did Obama, because they see Hillary as the weaker candidate. But if she were the nominee, the Repubs would come out swinging on the Clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 08/01/2008

Obama in a landslide of epic proportions. The people haven't zeroed in on the candidates. When they do, Obama will will be the chief beneficiary. They haven't quite added up all the Republican depravities of the last eight years, either. Obama is very good at tying up the ends into a neat package. When the public finally gets it, watch out Repubbies! Hell, I'll take it even further. We may be witnessing the beginng of the end of that party. Someday, in the course of human events, the people will get wise to the Repug's fear tactics. I say that day is arriving. Hell hath no fury like a voter who finally figures out he's been had.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 07/31/2008
- DonDavis I'm a Fan of DonDavis 2 fans permalink

McCain Complains About TOO MUCH Press Coverage
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=2245

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 07/31/2008
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That map looks suspect. Arizona a toss-up? Bull! It turns out they're using a Zogby INTERNET poll as their source! The last Rasmussen poll has McCain up by a comfortable 49% to 40% in Arizona.

A better source is http://www.electoral-vote.com/, which has it:

Obama: 292, McCain: 195, Ties: 51

and taking into account the statistical margin of error it's:

Obama: 246, McCain: 174, Ties: 118

After the swiftboating begins, who knows. I figure it'll come down to Ohio and Pennsylvania, and the bad news is Ohio just flipped for McCain 46% to 40%.

Forget the blatherings of the pundits, this election is going to be close. Obama will be lucky to pull it out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 AM on 07/31/2008

Az will go for McCain, though we will have record #s here for a Dem. We have a lot of olderly people

McCain is a nice enough guy, but he will show himself during the debates. [He's not really that smart]

We know a lot about John here- if the Dems wanna go personal, he'll be toast.
But maybe Barack will slaughter him in the debates and they won't have to go there

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 AM on 08/03/2008
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N*O*V*E*M*B*E*R

--- > IS NOT COMING QUICK ENOUGH!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 07/31/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

Who wrote up this map? Florida will go red easily. OH and PA both blue? Preposterous. I talk to (reagan) Dems in PA all the time. They're not voting for Bo. Won't even consider it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 07/31/2008
- elr50 I'm a Fan of elr50 19 fans permalink

So Florida remains a tossup. Does anybody in that state have a friggin brain?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 07/30/2008

Nope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 07/30/2008
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 7 fans permalink
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Tossup?

Well I guess between their racism, ignorance & bigotry, I will not be suprised...although they have come a long way over the years...

p.s. - yes, I have lived there for some time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 AM on 07/31/2008

They're predicting an 11 - 12% blacklash? That seems a bit high, but even if it was true it would be very heavily weighted towards states that don't swing Democratic anyways so it's pretty much a non-issue. He can afford 2-3% in the rustbelt and still pull more than enough to sweep from NYC to Des Moines.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 07/30/2008
- Moshe I'm a Fan of Moshe 181 fans permalink
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There has never been a more defeatable party than the GOP right now.

But if anybody can still screw it up, it's the current DEM leadership, which has an astounding gift for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 07/30/2008

I'm an Obama supporter. A close election is my worst nightmare. The Repugs have had the last 2 presidential elections to hone and perfect their election stealing chops( Florida and Ohio). That skill set will be replayed most certainly in the '08 election. I predict that if Obama can't win by at least 10 points, the election will be stolen again. Remember, elections are won at the precinct level. The Repugs can target specific precincts in several states and steal another close election, thats especially true with a 50.1% to 49.9% division. That would be a statistical tie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 07/30/2008
- bdl0715 I'm a Fan of bdl0715 8 fans permalink

The electoral map shows Obama 284 to Bush 147. Why is no one talking about that. If he election were held today, and that electoral poll is correct, Obama would win in a landslide.

That map shows;
Obama 53%
McCain 27%
Undecided 20%

The electoral vote is what elects the President, not the popular vote. Didn't we all learn that in 2000?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 07/30/2008

Whoa! Step back a little. Aren't you forgetting the Red-Shift Syndrome? That is Thomas Feeney's vote fraud software. I bet you ten to one that Florida, Ohio, New Hampshire and a couple of other states will have an Exit Poll versus Vote Count deviation of over 10 percent, which to anyone who cares indicates VOTE FRAUD. Yet, many of these states disallow a hand count.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 07/30/2008
- Truthmeter I'm a Fan of Truthmeter 2 fans permalink

McCain leads Obama by 4% in "likely voters" Gallup poll...I think people are getting sick of "King of The World" Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 07/30/2008
- Cookie100 I'm a Fan of Cookie100 48 fans permalink
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NO! That is baloney, the same day they have him up by 9%. NO ONE BUT RACISTS ARE GETTING TIRED OF O, JUST YOU!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 07/30/2008
- mypov123 I'm a Fan of mypov123 18 fans permalink
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Your name is TruthMeter, huh? Do I need to put some coins in the meter to get some actual truthful statements from you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 08/01/2008
- flabingo I'm a Fan of flabingo 6 fans permalink

If young people do not vote again, it could be much closer. If they do it should not be close.I went to an Obama meeting in Florida and over 200 people of all walks of life showed up. I was encouraged. He has a much bigger organizing force than McCain. I can't understand how a young person "of color " will not come out and vote for Obama. He will make their future better. In a church the young people want a new Sunday school, the older ones do not. Hopefully, we Americans care about our children!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 07/30/2008
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