Obama-McCain Matchup: Blowout Or Trench Warfare?

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First Posted: 07-27-08 05:29 PM   |   Updated: 08- 4-08 05:12 AM

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Pollster.com has at the top of its front page a chart suggesting that the presidential election is all but over.

The public opinion experts who run the site say states with 284 electoral college votes - 14 more than the 270 needed to win - lean to or firmly support Barack Obama; states with 147 lean toward or are in John McCain's camp; and 10 states with 107 electoral votes are tossups.

In other words, the site suggests that Obama does not need to win a single tossup state -- Colorado, Missouri, Florida, Virginia, Arizona, Nevada, Montana, North Dakota, North Carolina or Indiana -- to take the oath of office on January 20, 2009.

There are some in the political science community (if community is the right word, perhaps it should be called a cauldron) who share this view and others who are less sanguine about the prospects of an Obama blowout.

One of the first shots is this dispute among academics was fired here on the Huffington Post. In an essay titled "The Myth of a Toss-up Election," Alan Abramowitz (Emory), Tom Mann (Brookings) and Larry Sabato (Virginia), jointly declared:

[V]irtually all of the evidence that we have reviewed - historical patterns, structural features of this election cycle, and national and state polls conducted over the last several months - points to a comfortable Obama/Democratic party victory in November. Trumpeting this race as a toss-up, almost certain to produce another nail-biter finish, distorts the evidence and does a disservice to readers and viewers who rely upon such punditry....


It is no exaggeration to say that the political environment this year is one of the worst for a party in the White House in the past sixty years. You have to go all the way back to 1952 to find an election involving the combination of an unpopular president, an unpopular war, and an economy teetering on the brink of recession....[I]f history is any guide, and absent a dramatic change in election fundamentals or an utter collapse of the Obama candidacy, John McCain is likely to suffer the same fate as Adlai Stevenson.

In a direct rebuttal to "The Myth of a Toss-up Election," James E. Campbell (SUNY-Buffalo) countered with an essay titled "Anybody's Ball Game." He makes these points:

*Dissatisfaction with President Bush does not necessarily translate into antipathy to Senator McCain...The McCain campaign would certainly prefer it if President Bush's approval ratings stood where they were in 2004, but their drop from that point does not put the election out of reach for the Republicans.


* Republicans have one clear advantage in this election. Despite the party's best efforts, Republicans will nominate the most electable candidate in their field....[W]e have recent and hard evidence that Senator McCain votes as a moderate conservative and Senator Obama votes as an extreme or consistent liberal.... If Americans are really looking for a moderate who can work in a bipartisan way to solve the nation's problems--from energy prices to international crises--McCain has the record they are looking for and Obama does not.

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Vanderbilt's John Geer, in turn, is by no means convinced that McCain will lose as badly as Adlai Stevenson in 1952.

"We all know it is a Democratic year. But that does not mean Obama will win. Yes, the odds are in his favor. But there are at least 3 reasons why the election may be close, with either McCain or Obama winning," Geer said.

First, according to Geer, "we live in a post 9-11 world and the public has to be comfortable with a candidate's ability to deal with foreign policy. Many voters are not yet comfortable....Second, McCain is a good candidate....Third, the last two presidential elections have been very close. Yes, there have been Democratic gains in some quarters and turnout may be up. But turnout was up in 2004 from 2000 and Republicans had made gains right after 9-11 and yet the election remained close."

Robert Y. Shapiro (Columbia) also sees a close election, but he adds that the closeness means the quality of the two campaigns will become all the more crucial: "This is where I see Obama as the likely victor not only in the popular vote but in winning, perhaps by very close margins, in the past blue states he needs to hold on to, and in Ohio and states in the west and possibly a few surprises. This will happen if, as I expect, Obama outcampaigns McCain."

Along similar lines, Michael S. Lewis-Beck, of the University of Iowa, said he and a colleague, Charles Tien of Hunter College, City University of New York, have just written an essay forecasting "that Obama will win, but just by a hair. The reason the contest will be so close is because of what we call 'ballot box racism.' We estimate that about 11 or 12 percent of voters who would otherwise vote for Obama will not vote for him because he is black. Our forecasting model, if uncorrected for the race factor, predicts a landslide for Obama. But once the 'racial cost' is corrected for, we get a bare Obama majority (about 50.6% of the two-party popular vote)."

Helmut Norpoth of Stony Brook University has an even closer prediction based on his model: a virtual tie, 50.1 percent for Obama, 49.9 percent for McCain.

Colby College's L. Sandy Maisel, in contrast, argued:

The preponderance of the political science analysis leads to the Abramowitz, Mann, Sabato conclusion that Obama will win this election handily.... In my view, this election is Obama's unless he makes some very serious error--and I doubt that will happen. I cannot see what McCain can do to help his own cause appreciably.

Political scientists are not reluctant to add a little edge to their comments. Maisel, for example, said those who argue the election will be competitive "are grasping at straws." Norpoth, in turn, countered that the "Abramowitz et al. claim is the real myth here."

Pollster.com has at the top of its front page a chart suggesting that the presidential election is all but over. The public opinion experts who run the site say states with 284 electoral college vote...
Pollster.com has at the top of its front page a chart suggesting that the presidential election is all but over. The public opinion experts who run the site say states with 284 electoral college vote...
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- rayy I'm a Fan of rayy permalink

The foreclosure argument below is silly--what makes you think foreclosures are predominantly on Democrats? There are always a certain number of foreclosures, and just because the rate has doubled from 1% to 2%, doesn't mean great numbers of people are going to be shut out. I think we should be more concerned about Diebold and their chairman's statements of promising to deliver Ohio to Bush, for example.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 07/30/2008

The only thing - I repeat - the only thing that might cause this election to be close is that Obama is black, and there is a lot of closet racism in this country. If Obama were white, we would not even be having this conversation - he'd be leading by a 90-10 margin because McCain is such a weak and 'out of it' candidate. C'mon folks! Wake up! Here we have a chance to elect someone who will quite possibly merit the word 'great' as presidents go. When will we learn to quit judging someone on their skin color and begin judging them on the quality of their intellect and their vision? Obama 08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 07/30/2008

I agree with you, Patrick. I've seen it all my life. They won't tell pollsters because overt racism is "out" now. Thank goodness! But still, it will influence a lot of the votes. So keep registering voters, Obama people, and keep getting the word out. We really need this intelligent, calm, thoughtful, yes wise man as our president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 07/30/2008
- ohiodem250 I'm a Fan of ohiodem250 28 fans permalink

The only thing I learned from this article is that they should take the word science out of political science.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 07/30/2008
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agreed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 07/30/2008
- ohiodem250 I'm a Fan of ohiodem250 28 fans permalink

I'm honored to have a reply comment from one of my heroes, Hunter S. Thompson. Seen the movie about your life yet? I can't wait to go this weekend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 07/30/2008
- BigGuy I'm a Fan of BigGuy 5 fans permalink

Republicans will use foreclosures to reduce Democratic turnout by LEGALLY denying voters their franchise. Sufficient numbers can be kept away from the polls for McCain to be elected.

Mail sent to the homes of registered Democrats by "non-partisan" Republican front groups (Americans for Registered Voters, say) will be marked "Do Not Forward". Those who have lost their homes will have their mail returned to the sender. The sender -- the Republican front group like Americans for Registered Voters -- will use the returned mail to prove that the persons who have lost their homes should also lose their franchise.

WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF US TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 07/30/2008

I don't think Americans are looking for anything that's the opposite of Conservative this year, all the right-wing talking points about the electorate wanting a moderate are just that. Aside from that, one wonders how dirty the Republicans will play this year.

Even "Straight-Talk" McCain has been running ads non-stop trying to swift-boat Obama over the canceled troop visit. (The pentagon felt it was inappropriate and asked the campaign to skip the troop visit... although my first thought was gee how many photo ops has Bush set up with scripted troops in the background, sheesh.) It's going to get ugly and the MSM has been pretty poor at sorting out facts from smears in recent past elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 AM on 07/30/2008

"...All men are created equal..."

- Source: Declaration of Independence (1776)

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." - Complete quote

These words were written by 'white aristocrats' that owned 'black slaves'.

They knew full well that they never fully intended to meet the obligations of the contractual agreement that they had entered into as they later signed the Constitution, a 'contractual agreement' defining obligations between individuals and the state.

...After 200+ years of institutionalized racism, its nice to see that we as a nation are doing something, anything, to pay reparations to the very people once considered property.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 07/29/2008
- certainot I'm a Fan of certainot 3 fans permalink

imagine if we still had some kind of Fairness Doctrine and the GOP talking points weren't being blasted all over the country 24/7 with no chance of rebuttal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 07/29/2008

The reason Obama is not as far ahead as he SHOULD be is that dirty little secret -10-12% who can't bring themselves to vote for a Black man.[or woman, presumably] I know some of them- they can hardly believe it's true themselves. It is an old way of thinking-dying, but still alive. See Obama speech on race. We white people never talk about it - no one likes to think bad things about themselves. And it is a bad thing. It is wicked. Someone is inferior by an accident of birth? A lot of these[ mostly older, not always,] people call themselves Christians. What would Jesus say?
Anyway, it's all good, cause then people won't stay home cause they think our guy has got it in the bag. Also, someone please tell me WHY anyone would lie about voting intentions in a poll?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 07/29/2008

The reason O isn't far in the polls isn't about race it's about him. I know, I know, God forbid some people just don't like him or haven't heard enough from him yet. No, it's always about someone's race. I think you may have a problem with race more so than those you speak about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 07/29/2008
- mypov123 I'm a Fan of mypov123 26 fans permalink
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Well, tell why you don't like him? Let me guess, he's one of those "uppity Blacks who thinks he's better than White people", right? Because that's the main thing I hear from White people who don't like him, it's his "arrogance". I hope this kind of ignorance doesn't last forever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 08/01/2008
- Ohio I'm a Fan of Ohio permalink

And of course, surely all of the 98% of black voters who support Obama do so without even the slightest hint of racism...

Interesting map, but excessively optimistic at best. At least as far as Ohio is concerned, I have very serious doubts about it's accuracy. Hillary won quite handily here (And did much better than her poll numbers suggested), and I suspect McCain will, as well. My guess is that there are probably a lot of whites who will tell a pollster that they support Obama just so that they don't invite racist slurs, but when it comes down to voting, they'll vote their true preference.

You can be angry about it, but it is what it is. Baring a complete financial breakdown, I think McCain will likely sail through this election quite easily in most states; particularly Ohio.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 07/30/2008
- tuttlemsm I'm a Fan of tuttlemsm 5 fans permalink

"And of course, surely all of the 98% of black voters who support Obama do so without even the slightest hint of racism..."

An historically oppressed race expressing ballot-box pride in the breakthroughs of one of its own is not the same as the outright racism expressed by members of the "oppressor" race who say they won't vote for a black man.

Yes, I know it's difficult for some weak minds to grasp that there is in fact a rightful double standard for the race that has enjoyed the historic privileges of majority status and the race that has not. The race that has less privilege gets more latitude. The race that has more privilege gets less latitude. That's how it works.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 07/30/2008
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The 98% figure suggests a completely rational pattern of voting.

Wouldn't you agree that about 2% of the African-American demographic stands to benefit from a McCain presidency?

What makes you so certain this reflects racial identity politics...I'd say it's just self-interest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 07/30/2008
- 112985 I'm a Fan of 112985 5 fans permalink

I AM ONE OF THOSE 10-12% I WILL ON VOTE FOR OBAMA IF HE HAS HILLIARY ON THE TICKET IF NOT THEN JOHN MCCAIN WILL GET MY VOTE; AND I WOULD HOPE THAT ALL OF HRC SUPPORTERS DO THE SAME - HE IS DISRESPECTING US A WOMEN VOTERS IF DOES NOT SELECT HER - HE THINK WE WILL AUTOMATICALLY VOTE FOR HIM - WELL HE IS SO WRONG.
HE IS SAYING I DONT NEED HER NOR HER VOTES TO WIN!!! HRC SUPPORTERS SHOW WHO IS IN COMMAND!!!!STAY HOME OR VOTE JOHN MCCAIN IF SHE IS NOT ON THAT TICKET -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 07/30/2008
- camanokat I'm a Fan of camanokat 10 fans permalink
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Can you explain how Obama is dissing Hillary supporters by not choosing her as Veep? I've been an Obama supporter for quite a while, BUT I would have voted for HRC if she won the primary. She did not, largely because of her own lousy campaign. So, you're prepared to vote against your OWN self-interest as a form of hissy fit? That's insanity!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 08/01/2008
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 281 fans permalink
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Well I pray we will not have to endear 4 more years of bank failure, no bid contracts and the lack if ability to aduit contractors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 08/03/2008
- JaseAllen I'm a Fan of JaseAllen 2 fans permalink

Yes, and then Dewy will defeat Truman. Oh, what a glorious day that will be!

Polls mean nothing. Pollsters have no idea if the person they're polling will actually vote (or give honest opinions). That skews the results. The lower the voting percentage the worse the skew. Example: Ask 100 people if they will vote for candidate A or B. 75% say they will vote for A. Polls project a landslide victory for A. On election day only 20 of those 75 actually showed up to vote for A. All 25 B supporters showed up to vote B. While A was projected in a landslide, B actually won. Truman defeats Dewy and polls mean nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 07/29/2008

Obama wasn't my candidate in the primaries, but I'm supporting him now. The probably will not be a landslide. The Democratic candidate in this political climate should win by 10 to 15 points. In all likelihood Obama can't win by more than 5 or 6 points, unless maybe McCain imploads. I think it's pretty clear that Obama was never the strongest GE candidate for the Dems, mostly due to his inexperience, and somewhat to do with the Wright thing that hurt him.

But again I'm supporting Obama. I'm no PUMA. I'm a loyal Democrat. I think Obama will win, and wish for a blowout. But it'll probably stay close in year that it shouldn't be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 07/29/2008
- Tobiasism I'm a Fan of Tobiasism 7 fans permalink

America does not want a "moderate conservative to act in a bipartisan fashion". America is going to elect a strong majority democratic house and senate and a democratic white house as well and get some things done for the population and the planet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 07/29/2008
- WilburM I'm a Fan of WilburM 4 fans permalink

pipe dream, sorry. get out of your cocoon and take a look around sometime. it exactly this kind of thinking that is going to keep the election closer than it should be. Dems/Libs are so insulated in this country that you can't fathom the millions of middle americans who don't think, act, or vote like you do. Everybody's acting like this is in the bag, just like in 200, just like in 2004... then they're going to be shocked an outraged when it doesn't go all roses on election day.

me, personally, I'm keeping my head down and going as hard as I can past the finish line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 07/30/2008

I am a strong OBAMA supporter...but please don't assume that he's going to win. John McCain, with his fearmongering ads, will get across to the voters to stupid to realise that McCain is synonymouse with Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 07/29/2008
- yhgtup I'm a Fan of yhgtup 12 fans permalink

By no means do I feel Obama will win by a landslide. He has my vote, of course, but all these lies & untruths that the Rethugs are putting out there, will hurt him if he doesn't "take off the kit gloves", quit complimenting John McCain, & go at him! He's allowing McCain to define his image --- something he can't afford to let happen. Being a black man running for president of the U.S, he can't take ANYTHING for granted --- not even those who say they'll vote for him. Remember Tom Bradley??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 07/29/2008

It's kid gloves. No he can't do that. By saying over and over and over again in the primaries he's running a different kind of campaign he has to be very careful about what he does and how he does it. He painted himself into a corner trying to win over votes in the primary with that rhetoric now with the Republicans starting to go into high gear he is put in a no win situation. If he comes out fighting like Clinton would have the republicans can tout that he is a fraud, if he does nothing but the same people start to ignore him and continue to listen to the other side. It's a very delicate situation that his campaign has now put him in and he has to be very careful not to overstep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 07/29/2008

Many of you forget that Barr is also in this race.
When a third party is in the race and can carry 3% or better of the vote in a particular state.
Bush Sr. lost because of it ( A third party challenge) and he was the President.
Al Gore lost because of it. Ralph Nader did him in.
People believe that Obama should be ahead by 15 points right now......WRONG.
If that were the case Ducacus, Gore and Kerry would have been President.
and Clinton was behind in the polls until well after the convention but he won......why?
Because a third party candidate changed everything......The Mouse that Roared.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 07/29/2008

It should be an Obama blowout -- but the Repugs own the voting machines. That could make all the difference, just as it did in 2000 and 2004.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 07/29/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

Getting your defeat excuse out early I see. Must be worried.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 07/31/2008
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