Gallup's "Likely Voters" Poll: A Snapshot Or A Hypothesis?

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First Posted: 07-29-08 12:22 PM   |   Updated: 08- 6-08 05:12 AM

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Over at USA Today's "On Politics" blog, stories about polls come stamped with the following disclaimer: "WARNING! Polls are snapshots of public opinion, not forecasts of far-off election days." It's a noble standard, but sadly, one that is not met by the paper's latest poll, a joint effort with the Gallup firm.

As the Huffington Post reported Monday, the Gallup/USA Today poll's results among "likely voters" raised more questions than they answered. By showing a lead for McCain that contradicted Gallup's own independent tracking results, the poll prompted Emory University political scientist Alan Abramowitz to ask how Gallup and USA Today selected the "likely voters" who purportedly now favor the Arizona Republican. While the answer to that methodological question (and several others) remains a bit murky, USA Today's full writeup in Tuesday's dead-tree edition offers a few more details -- and one other nugget of information that should drive skepticism of their results through the roof.

As for how "likely voters" were identified, USA Today reports that respondents were asked "how much thought they had given the election, how often they voted in the past and whether they plan to vote this fall." Fair enough. But the very next sentence raises even more questions about whether USA Today's effort is actually a snapshot of the electorate, as its website claims, or enters the realm of forward-looking hypothesizing. Buried in the ninth paragraph of USA Today's own writeup, they reveal that "McCain's gains came because there was an even number of likely voters from each party. Last month, the Democrats had an 11-point edge."

Abramowitz says this contradiction is the equivalent of polling malpractice. "It is simply not plausible that there would be an 11-point swing in party ID among likely voters or that there is now an even split in the likely electorate between Republicans and Democrats," he wrote in an email to the Huffington Post.

And on MSNBC this morning, Chuck Todd sounded off on the "likely voter" results:

"[Frank] Newport, editor of Gallup, a good pollster ... even has a warning in USA Today this morning that says don't believe the likely voter, follow the registered voter model. They report it anyway. ... But the point is, is that this is -- a good polling organization like Gallup, okay, these guys are in control of the gold standard of polling. They can't figure it out. I think this is a warning to everybody that polling this year is very difficult. ... Everything should be taken with a grain of salt."

But grains of salt aside, there is other evidence to suggest that USA Today's "likely voter" poll runs afoul of its own standards in terms of not forecasting far-off election results. In describing the poll's usefulness on MSNBC Tuesday morning, Gallup chief Frank Newport said "it's important to look at likely voters ... just to see under a scenario where McCain supporters are energized."

So sure, "under a scenario" where McCain's voters are energized at a level equal to Obama's and the national distribution of party ID is equal between Democrats and Republicans, perhaps it would make sense to see McCain with a four-point lead in a poll with a plus/minus 4 percent margin of error. But engineering coverage of a poll with metrics contrived to show results under a certain "scenario" sounds more prospective and hypothetical than the paper's stated mission of covering polls as momentary snapshots and "not forecasts of far-off election days."

As Newport said on MSNBC this morning: "The likely voters simply tell us that turnout could make a difference."

Over at USA Today's "On Politics" blog, stories about polls come stamped with the following disclaimer: "WARNING! Polls are snapshots of public opinion, not forecasts of far-off election days." It's a...
Over at USA Today's "On Politics" blog, stories about polls come stamped with the following disclaimer: "WARNING! Polls are snapshots of public opinion, not forecasts of far-off election days." It's a...
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- DallasMike I'm a Fan of DallasMike 11 fans permalink

The polls are only true when Obama is in the lead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 07/30/2008
- YunekFlava I'm a Fan of YunekFlava 66 fans permalink
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You got that right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 07/30/2008
- Ides I'm a Fan of Ides 21 fans permalink

Correction: the polls are only true when there are more Democrats than Republicans. (And I'm not being ironic.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 AM on 07/31/2008
- glorysong I'm a Fan of glorysong 5 fans permalink
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Who are these Poll place's Polling? No body never call me and ask me any thing. Are they calling just Republicans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 07/30/2008

Why do you continue to focus on polls. In addition to being subjective, they can be slanted to say the least. You need to focus on VOTE FRAUD. Elections have been cooked since 2000. Does Diebold or ES&S ring a bell? Florida...Ohio(home of Diebold) Come on folks. You might as well do an article on Brittany Spears. This is toothless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 07/30/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

Folks, dig this.
Electoral College Poll as of July 28, 2008.

Barack is ahead in 27 States for a total of 332 electoral votes.
Mc fill-in is ahead in 22 States for a total of 203 electoral votes.
One tie, North Dakota ( 43-43 each ).
Of those 22 States Barack is not ahead in, he's within 10 points of the lead in 10 of them; that leaves the Ancient one with only 12 States he can feel comfortable about.
That is why you're seeing a 50 State strategy from Barack; make Mc Whatever spend money defending his leads in the 12 while Barack peels some of the 10 he's close in.
It's a Chess Game, I love it .
Oh by the way, I almost forgot , in the Electoral College, you need 50% plus one to become Prez; 268 of 535 votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 07/30/2008
- glesslib I'm a Fan of glesslib 24 fans permalink

Does the media love Obama or does it love McCain? Have they fallen out of love with Obama or have they wised up to how out of it McCain is? It Obama ahead in some poll or is he behind in some poll?
Is McCain closing the gap because of negative campaigning or will he play the race card?

We haven't even had the conventions yet and already the endless drama is getting to me.

My biggest worry is none of the above. I think they've got Bush tied up in the basement of the White House so that the average American will forget just what a lousy job the Republicans have done for the past eight years. I want to see more of George so that folks never fogret for one minute who is the auuthor of the present debacle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 07/30/2008
- Krackonis I'm a Fan of Krackonis 6 fans permalink

It's as simple as this, The CIA, has for YEARS put people in politics and in newspapers, even protest groups. It's a known fact that Prescott Bush, GHWB's Daddy got him into power. Lost in 1960 for Senate, Lost again in 64 and in 1974 he becomes head of the CIA? wtf?

Prescott was into Army Intelligence, a forerunner to the CIA. It became the CIA after and has been involved in politics for a long time. So, those individuals who will not break step with the administration are puppets, or 'propaganda'. O'Rielly, Nancy Grace, Rush, Savage, Coulter, Scarborough, Tucker Carlson are examples.

The others are pawns, like Lou Dobbs, Geraldo, Chris Matthews, Blitzer, Imus ... People who are inundated with bullshit and they are trying to emulate the "masters" but they do not realize that they will never be them because the cameras are paid to point their way... They are not knowingly spewing bullshit, but they do.

Then you have real news people who ask real questions about real subjects. It's hard to find on TV, but on the internet or in peoples living rooms when you are not censored you can discuss big obviously glaring discrepancies without feeling the pressure to conform and to keep quiet about what you suspect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 07/31/2008
- piper1233 I'm a Fan of piper1233 5 fans permalink

What a joke, chuck todd defending the outragous and unprecedented polling tactics taken by the gallop group. He lost all credibility with me during the primary process with his shameful shuffling of numbers to give Hillary Clinton an edge, and later giving creedence to her being a valid VP choice. I am a member of the Gallop and when i told them that i had made the descision to support Obama I was not contacted again until the Primary process was completed. Meanwhile polls during that process continued to be pumped out without my opinion. I was then contacted with a statement that they were not able to contact me. Yes i know, hard to decipher that statement. I'm still a member but I'm more suspicious of its polling methods and conclusions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 07/30/2008
- danoj I'm a Fan of danoj 17 fans permalink

Snapshot, it's only Jul for god sakes. Wouldn't know it by reading posts on this site though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 07/30/2008

Seems like Gallup has done this before to slant an election to the republicans. I cant quite place the time I am thinking of but something dont seem right here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 AM on 07/30/2008
- skruff I'm a Fan of skruff 2 fans permalink

'92 Bush Clinton.... It didn't work!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 AM on 07/30/2008

Until you have ANYTHING concrete, you're doing--without ANY foundation--a corollary action to the Republican­-slanted(?­??) pollsters. At best you're rumour-mongering!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 07/30/2008

I created a video about this matter with respect to Hillary Clinton. I think Gallup is paid by USA Today and is towing the line. It's not ethical at all.

See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqmQ7D8DXps

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 07/30/2008
- JadedAggie I'm a Fan of JadedAggie 9 fans permalink

It is clearly a hypothesis at this point in time for a few reasons. The first is that the likely voter polls always weight the survey to the average turnout of that last few presidential elections, which is low. In addition, the way that likely voters are determined is through a short questionnaire, currently only 3 questions. The current questions presented by Gallup in determining likely voters it seems apparent that both young and first time voters are being found unlikely to vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 AM on 07/30/2008

That these polls get so much attention and seemingly validate themselves says a lot about the general public. No one seems to question the polling demographics. Who are these people being polled? Does the poll accurately represent a diverse cross section of America and the whole voting public? No one seems to even want to know that information. It is like leading lambs to slaughter.

And, the current state of communications presents polls with a much bigger problem. More and more people use non land line cell phones, Cell phones and their numbers are private and cannot be canvassed, since the pollers do not have their phone numbers. So that ever expanding voting block is not included in poll results.

That the polls would have us believe their results are a valid indication of the public's opinion of Senator's Obama and McCain is ludicrous. We should be better than that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 AM on 07/30/2008

polls dont mean nothing this early. Wait a couple of weeks before the election then see where they are at.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 07/30/2008

The witless enablers of the neocons and of the "anti-abortion, anti-gays; pro god and pro guns brigade" need to triumph, to continue this deepening spiral of total incompentence. They wished for the 8 year devastation of this nation, and will now do whatever is necessary for it to continue. Ask those members of the PNAC, they are all over the news.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 07/29/2008

Nothing wrong with running scared----please just do that Obama---its the road to victory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 07/29/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

I can't wait for the poll after BOs reparation speech today. W-hites won't be too happy. We've already transferred trillions in w-elfare payments the last 40 years. Hasn't done much good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 07/29/2008
- kasinca I'm a Fan of kasinca 162 fans permalink
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Only bigots and haters will be effected in a sick way you describe. I am more concerned with the azz raping I have received from the reichwingers for a war that was ill conceived and illegal and immoral and financed by borrowing money that will be paid back by my grandchildren. Corporate greed and welfare are more of a concern than welfare to an unwed mother who has a child that the government would not allow them to abort. Get a grip.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 07/29/2008

Get a dictionary: "effected" should be "affected." IF "genseric" is credible about OBAMEE making a speech suggestive of a "reparations' policy" for U.S. minorities, his candidacy is "cooked" and will slowly decline as that word passes around. Surely, he's not that FOOLISH!

All the same, McCain's "economic policy" will complete the tanking of the U.S. econ. is less than a generation. His "dogmatism" is very little short of "dogpatch"! McCain is an agent of FEUDALISM!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 07/30/2008
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This article's title may be too generous. "Hypothesis" has scientific character. "Conjecture" may be the better term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 07/29/2008
- helen I'm a Fan of helen 34 fans permalink
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Look, this is just like Dole vs. Clinton in '96. Bob Dole had dutifully waited his turn for his shot at running for president. He had been a good Republican, a good senator, and a good waterboy. It was his turn. The Repubs knew he didn't have a chance in hell, so they gave him his reward for all his loyal service, knowing NO Republican stood a chance in '96. Even with all the contrived charges said of Clinton.

2008 is McCain as Bob Dole. He's been a good, loyal Republican waterboy. He's done the lobbyists' bidding. It's his turn to run for president as a reward for loyal service. He'll be wiped on the mat by Obama. Hell, he'd be wiped on the matt by Hillary too. Bush has ensured that whatever Republican runs is going to be mincemeat.

This election is not even going to be close - certainly not close in the Electoral College, and maybe not even close in the popular vote. IMHO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 07/29/2008
- YunekFlava I'm a Fan of YunekFlava 66 fans permalink
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Well said! I like it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 07/30/2008
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