Rachel Maddow Leads Chorus Of Truth On 'Presumptuous' Accusation

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First Posted: 07-31-08 11:05 AM   |   Updated: 08- 8-08 05:12 AM

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Lots of commenters last night were asking for clips of Rachel Maddow and Michael Smerconish hailing down a rain of ownage on Pat Buchanan, so why not indulge them? At issue was Dana Milbank's article in yesterday's Washington Post, that "reported" on Barack Obama's "presumptuousness." Maddow was invited to take the matter on, and she led with this statement, "This issue is weird when you look at the facts on which it is based."

And she couldn't be more right! As I endeavored to explain yesterday, Milbank's Obama-is-presumptuous thesis was basically underpinned by nonsense: a laundry list of thoroughly commonplace activities that all presidential candidates engage in, coupled with a quote from the candidate that Milbank a) didn't hear, and yet b) sliced up into hash, anyway, transforming a humble statement into a self-aggrandizing one.

Pat Buchanan basically showed up for the show under the impression that Milbank's article was faithfully reported, and attempted to read Milbank's incorrect quote into the record. But Maddow wasn't having it:

BUCHANAN: Look, Rachel said there was humility, real humility here. Let me read his direct quote according to Dana Millbank. He's telling the Congressional guys, "This is the moment the world is waiting for. I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best tradition." Upon what meat has this our Caesar fed? He's sounding like America's hot dog.


MADDOW: The issue is that quote has been disproved today! That quote has been contradicted by multiple other sources, talking to Time Magazine, talking with other reporters, explaining...he did not say that at all.

GREGORY: Let me break in. Smerc, you're coming. Let me break in with what the actual quote is. The Politico reported on this. This is what Obama actually said according the the Politico: "It's becoming increasingly clear, in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, it's not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol." Smerc.

SMERCONISH: All right. Nobody was in a room from a journalistic standpoint when that statement was offered, but, The New York Times - I'm amazed that no one has brought this up so far - June 4, 2008, a direct quote from Senator Obama, "I love when I'm shaking hands on a rope line and I see a little old white lady and a big burly black guy and Latino girls and all their hands are entwined, and they are feeding on each other as much as on me. It's like I'm just the excuse." In other words, he's said it before, in the proper context. It's a feel good statement about the country and what he represents. We don't have to debate what he said behind closed doors because we have him on the record. And giving him the benefit of the doubt, he said the same thing yesterday that he told the Times on this day.

MADDOW: Which I would argue is a symbol of humility and not hubris. But people want to run with the hubris line.

[WATCH.]

It was a beautiful piece of work, but I want to add a dose of caution and attention, here, because after Buchanan had been beated all about the skull on this matter, he fell back on a line he had already advanced earlier in the show:

BUCHANAN: Everybody that's critical of Obama when he's in a rough patch. He's respending with angry ads that show the attacks are working.

Buchanan had leveled this comment at Maddow earlier in the show, suggesting that the very fact that the Obama campaign was compelled to respond -- and the very fact that Maddow had even reacted with objection -- was proof that the McCain attacks were "working." In other words, McCain wins if Obama even fights back! Watch closely, as this becomes part of the toxic conventional wisdom.

Lots of commenters last night were asking for clips of Rachel Maddow and Michael Smerconish hailing down a rain of ownage on Pat Buchanan, so why not indulge them? At issue was Dana Milbank's article...
Lots of commenters last night were asking for clips of Rachel Maddow and Michael Smerconish hailing down a rain of ownage on Pat Buchanan, so why not indulge them? At issue was Dana Milbank's article...
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- Unsui I'm a Fan of Unsui 9 fans permalink
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Rachel Maddow; strong, smart, informed. In short, every thing we would ask for in a comentator/analyst.
Good on ya Dr. Maddow!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 08/03/2008
- CamJam I'm a Fan of CamJam 17 fans permalink
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I agree! And moreso after seeing her speak so well on this topic with several other men.
She's awesome!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 08/03/2008
- gjoh I'm a Fan of gjoh 6 fans permalink

Dr. Maddow! Wow!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 08/07/2008
- jayburd I'm a Fan of jayburd 14 fans permalink
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Yeah, but is the humility vs. hubris debunking successfully getting beyond the liberal sphere of thinking? It's all well and good to see this on MSNBC and HuffPo, but what about ABC or CBS or CNN?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 08/03/2008
- WTSharpe I'm a Fan of WTSharpe 7 fans permalink
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So let me see if I understand what the honorable opposition are saying. They’re not racists, they just think that Obama is uppity and doesn’t know his place.

OooKaaay…

WT Sharpe

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 08/03/2008

I am 54 years old and have never heard a major party candidate introduced as anything other than "the next president of the United States."
Of course you should assume the win. That's the way to win.

I really do not understand Pat Buchanan, though. He, like Barack Obama, was against going to war in Iraq so therefore he, like Obama, has been proved right. You'd think he'd have a bit more respect for the man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 08/03/2008
- CamJam I'm a Fan of CamJam 17 fans permalink
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I understand your point, but isn't Buchanan a Republican?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 08/03/2008
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Go Rachel...McBuuushed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 AM on 08/03/2008
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 130 fans permalink

Pat's logic is not logic, at all. Because Obama responded to McCain's lies, it proves that McCain won?
Really!

That makes about as much sense as saying, at some future point in time, "Because Obama got more votes than McCain, that proves that McCain won."
Yah, right. That may be an honest to good sentence, in English, but it has no relationship to the world I live in. Buchanan's logic sounds like something quoted from Lewis Carrol or George Orwell. "The words mean what I want them to mean." Whatever that means.

The type of reasoning that Pat put forth is the type of reasoning that the country has been subjected to for the last eight years, in everything from economics to warfare, and we need to put a stop to it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 AM on 08/03/2008
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Get Harold Ford off of cable news. Every time he's on MSNBC the guy looks like stoned on more than a few prescription pain medications and a bottle of Robotusin. He adds NOTHING to any discussion and his "analysis" is more often than not completely WRONG. No wonder he lost in Tennessee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 AM on 08/03/2008
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I disagree with the premise of your comment. I actually Ford's comments from the insider point of view. Ford lost because of a negative campaign ad featuring a hot blonde saying to him "Harold. Call me." Well, you can imagine that that got under a lot of people's skin. ( The funny thing is, he actually married a hot young blonde! I don't think he'll be running for office for a while...)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 08/06/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

Shame on them for using adjectives for a black man they would never use for a white person.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 08/03/2008

You know for a Republican, that Smerconish guy is really cool. I have seen him a number of times and I am rarely sorry that he's on the program. Why can't all Repugs. have such depth of character?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 08/03/2008
- neesy08 I'm a Fan of neesy08 18 fans permalink
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he is a repub?d id i not know that. you would never know it, would you. yes, he has character and is honest. he does not just root for the repub. that is why they are in trouble this election cycle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 08/03/2008

Huffpo, I really like you, but why is it you let one of the most inflamatory statements stand as the first post read while several have been waiting to be posted for HOURS? Not cool at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 08/02/2008
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the media likes the presumptuous storyline, they made hay with it on hillary too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 08/02/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

Never heard it applied to a white male though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 08/03/2008
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I think Rachael LOVES giving it to Buchanan...she's done it often and with more finess than most anyone.

Rumors of her own show are going around for next spring...maybe just rumor, but something to really hold on to.

Also, glad to see that Tim Russert's son is going to be on with them for the convention coverages. That boy has his father's moxie!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 08/02/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

I adore Rachel. I hope she becomes the White House press secretary. What a relief it would be to have a brilliant woman after the bimbo we have now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 08/03/2008
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 130 fans permalink

We need a thousand Rachels, telling the truth and exposing the lies. Bless her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 AM on 08/03/2008
- neesy08 I'm a Fan of neesy08 18 fans permalink
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an joe scarsborough! he walked out once because he could not take the heat!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 08/03/2008
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Great job Rachel!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 08/02/2008

Rachel never backs down when it comes to PAT the crook Buchanan.After all he was an active player in the 2nd most criminal administration in history,"NIXON". As far as I'm concerned he has no credibility,he's just the fanatical right-wings mouth piece.spewing the same old catch phrases and illogical idealogical notions of the by gone eras.I think his time is up.GOOD RIDDANCE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 08/02/2008
- neesy08 I'm a Fan of neesy08 18 fans permalink
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i have heard that come up and was stunned!! why did PB not do jail time! that whole admin. i thought was crooked!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 08/03/2008
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I don't always agree with Rachel Maddow but she is one smart individual. I would love to see her have her own program.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 08/02/2008
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 130 fans permalink

It's pretty cool that Olbermann has her sub on his show. What a shock, when one compares her to some of the talking heads on the morning talk shows, no?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 AM on 08/03/2008
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