Obama Shifts, Says He May Back Offshore Drilling

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MIKE GLOVER | August 1, 2008 10:57 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. answers an audience member's question, Friday, Aug. 1, 2008, during a town hall meeting in St. Petersburg, Fla. (AP Photo/Mike Carlson)

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Friday he would be willing to support limited additional offshore oil drilling if that's what it takes to enact a comprehensive policy to foster fuel-efficient autos and develop alternate energy sources.

Shifting from his previous opposition to expanded offshore drilling, the Illinois senator told a Florida newspaper he could get behind a compromise with Republicans and oil companies to prevent gridlock over energy.

Republican rival John McCain, who earlier dropped his opposition to offshore drilling, has been criticizing Obama on the stump and in broadcast ads for clinging to his opposition as gasoline prices topped $4 a gallon. Polls indicate these attacks have helped McCain gain ground on Obama.

"My interest is in making sure we've got the kind of comprehensive energy policy that can bring down gas prices," Obama said in an interview with The Palm Beach Post.

"If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage _ I don't want to be so rigid that we can't get something done."

Asked about Obama's comment, McCain said, "We need oil drilling and we need it now offshore. He has consistently opposed it. He has opposed nuclear power. He has opposed reprocessing. He has opposed storage." The GOP candidate said Obama doesn't have a plan equal to the nation's energy challenges.

In Congress, both parties have fought bitterly over energy policy for weeks, with Republicans pressing for more domestic oil drilling and Democrats railing about oil company profits. Despite hundreds of hours of House and Senate floor debate, lawmakers will leave Washington for their five-week summer hiatus this week with an empty tank.

"The Republicans and the oil companies have been really beating the drums on drilling," Obama said in the Post interview. "And so we don't want gridlock. We want to get something done."

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Later, Obama issued a written statement warmly welcoming a proposal sent to Senate leaders Friday by 10 senators _ five from each party. Their proposal seeks to break the impasse over offshore oil development and is expected to be examined more closely in September after Congress returns from its summer recess.

The so-called Gang of 10 plan would lift drilling bans in the eastern Gulf of Mexico, but retain an environmental buffer zone extending 50 miles off Florida's beaches and in the South Atlantic off Virginia, the Carolinas and Georgia, but only if a state agrees to the oil and gas development along its coast. The states would share in revenues from oil and gas development.

Drilling bans along the Pacific coast and the Northeast would remain in place under this compromise.

The plan also includes energy initiatives Obama has endorsed. "It would repeal tax breaks for oil companies so that we can invest billions in fuel-efficient cars, help our automakers re-tool, and make a genuine commitment to renewable sources of energy like wind power, solar power, and the next generation of clean, affordable biofuels," Obama noted.

"Like all compromises, it also includes steps that I haven't always supported," Obama conceded. "I remain skeptical that new offshore drilling will bring down gas prices in the short-term or significantly reduce our oil dependence in the long-term, though I do welcome the establishment of a process that will allow us to make future drilling decisions based on science and fact."

Nevertheless, Obama said the plan, put forward by mostly moderates and conservatives led by Sens. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., and Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., "represents a good faith effort at a new bipartisan beginning."

Earlier in the day, Obama pushed for a windfall profits tax to fund $1,000 emergency rebate checks for consumers besieged by high energy costs, a counter to McCain's call for more offshore drilling.

The pitch for putting some of the economic burden of $4-a-gallon gasoline on the oil industry served a dual purpose for Obama: It allowed him to talk up an economic issue, seen by many as a strength for Democrats and a weakness for Republicans, and at the same time respond to criticism from McCain that Obama's opposition to offshore drilling leads to higher prices at the pump.

In linking McCain to the unpopular President Bush, Obama struck a theme from Ronald Reagan's successful 1980 campaign against President Jimmy Carter by asking a town-hall audience in St. Petersburg: "Do you think you are better off than you were four years ago or eight years ago? If you aren't better off, can you afford another four years?"

Obama primed the crowd by noting new government figures showing 51,000 jobs lost last month and citing 460,000 jobs lost over the last seven months. He tied other bad economic news from the Bush administration to McCain and offered his energy program as one route to relief.

"This rebate will be enough to offset the increased cost of gas for a working family over the next four months," Obama said during a two-day campaign swing in Florida. "It will be enough to cover the entire increase in your heating bills. Or you could use the rebate for any of your other bills, or even to pay down your own debt."

(This version CORRECTS paragraph 10 that compromise would retain a buffer zone of 50 miles off Florida Gulf beaches, instead of allow drilling within 50 miles.)

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- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

I apoligize to all you Libs- I just saw a picture on Fox of a wind powered car-A VW Beatle with a sail on top. We may be weaned off oil in less than a year. Oil companies will be moving into the sail making business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 08/02/2008

Websters:

Low-Information Voter: See Daniboy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 08/02/2008
- soundfury I'm a Fan of soundfury 13 fans permalink

Bingo, but we don't need Websters to point out the obvious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 08/02/2008
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

I wish you guys could get a sense of humor. Just remember it probly won't be us that saves the world. Our only hope is the Messiah and Al gore!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 08/02/2008
- cdub1991 I'm a Fan of cdub1991 58 fans permalink

I'm hoping for the return of the dirigible, myself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 08/02/2008

I always thought that travel by airship was kinda cool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 08/02/2008
- soundfury I'm a Fan of soundfury 13 fans permalink

As ridiculous as your statement is, I dream of the day that oil companies will be forced to look for another means of staying in business. Everywhere they go to drill, they leave a trail of contamination, misery and conflict behind them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 08/02/2008
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

Those people in Texas and Alaska really agree with you too. And they should know because they live with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 08/02/2008
- blueshield I'm a Fan of blueshield 79 fans permalink

Real news outlets are covering the 21st Century. We have things called hybrid cars. But it's understandable why getting blown excites you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 08/02/2008
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

Don't these cars still require some oil or electricity?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 08/02/2008
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That would be tremendously better than having them continue to run America!

Obama '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 08/02/2008
- soundfury I'm a Fan of soundfury 13 fans permalink

"If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage _ I don't want to be so rigid that we can't get something done."

Isn't he saying: I can reach across the aisle within reason to get the job done, with the best interests of the American people in mind?

1. Isn't this what he has said from day one?

2. What is so wrong about wanting to work with others so that stuff gets done? Isn't that what we haven't seen for 8 years and what is necessary to move beyone the stalemate and partisanship?

Why is everyone so shocked and horrified? The hypocrisy I've read in some posts is rampant. There is nothing wrong with his statement. Get over it. Some people just want to stir the pot, when there's nothing to stir.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 08/02/2008
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Off shore drilling is not the job we wanted to get done... I am not shocked and horrified just disappointed.

The world will not end and I will still vote for O.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 08/02/2008
- Birdman I'm a Fan of Birdman 34 fans permalink

No offense to your disappointment but in order for Obama to win he will have to move towards the center in order to syphon off (no pun intended) some of McCain supporters. If he stays on the exterme left we will be looking at 4 more years of the same from McSame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 08/02/2008

Agreed completely. And there ain't going to be any drilling, anyway. He knows that. You know that. I know that.

He just diffused a talking point that they could try to use against him in the fall. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Smart politics...the smartest we've seen in quite some time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 08/02/2008
- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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Why aren't you (and the rest of the Republicans) reaching across the aisle, compromising, caving, capitulating, to get "stuff" done?

Democrats have been compromising for three decades -- Republicans have not. How can I prove that to you? Are taxes higher or lower than they were in the 1980s? Do we have more or less regulations? Are government services more or less privatized? Is government more or less liberal than it was in the 1980s?

If Democrats hadn't been compromising, the state of the nation would be what it was, with citizens being secure in their homes, safe from unlawful search and seizures by the government, not wiretapped without warrants.

Instead, we are a police state. The government can rendition us to secret prisons, torture us, never give us a day in court.

You may be too young to remember, but this isn't freedom, and it's certainly not a liberal democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 08/02/2008
- klandish I'm a Fan of klandish 77 fans permalink
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Ugggh. Working across the isle despite the destructive consequences is not what the "purists" want, they want standup visionary leaders who don't back away from their integrity and put the good of mankind and the environment first. That's not to say any of the complainers are going to vote McCain or not vote at all but we all must speak out each and every time there's injustice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 08/02/2008

Agree. It's not easy being pragmatic as you get flak from all sides, but dealing with things as they are instead of how you wish them to be or through an idealogical view usually gets some results. In this case, there's the added bonus of giving the other side part of what they say they want and watching them make excuses for not accepting it. If they accept, they lose as they've lost their idealogical purity; if they don't, they lose as they look incapable of working with others. Point to Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 08/02/2008
- superbust I'm a Fan of superbust 7 fans permalink

The discussion should be about alternative enrgy not drilling for oil which will reach our pumps in 10 years. This is all a clus-ter-f-u-k promoted by big oil, and frankly I am sick of the ignorance of the American public. It is most discouraging going forward.
And for all you folks who continually use the term lib to describe anyone who doesnt agree with you, I would remind that Je-s-us was a liberal. So if you hate libs you hate Je-s-us. Chew on that one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 08/02/2008
- Birdman I'm a Fan of Birdman 34 fans permalink

Granted drilling fo roil is essentailly a moot point, but when you have 40 percent of the people in this country thinking that drilling is a good idea Obama has to at least show them he might be willing to consider that option. You did notice that he made all aternatinves including alternative energy as options. Don't be so narrow minded consider this is a way for Obama to head off McCain and the droolers from using the oil situation as a way to win the whitehouse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 08/02/2008
- long333 I'm a Fan of long333 4 fans permalink

superbust:The discussion should be about alternative energy not drilling for oil

For the can’t walk and chew gum at the same time crowd… that post along with same or similar about NOT talking about drilling on the theory it gets you CLOSER to alternative energy.

Not true.

Trust me no one involved with oil is necessary to the alternative energy business or discussion. It doesn’t matter if they occupy themselves with drilling. Burning Congress’ time voting on drilling is insignificant and not the problem in discussing alternative energy. Seems to me the Dems are in the majority and can easily discuss anything they want. Although they are probably hoping the American people won’t notice that.

Time to OK drilling and move on with an alternative energy program. It doesn't matter what the oil people are doing at the same time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 08/02/2008

I totally agree with you, I don't think one necessarily affects the other

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 08/02/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

If Barry and the Congress sent the oil companies a bill for keeping the Persian Gulf clear with the US Navy, then it would make more sense. We spend billions every year protecting everyone's trade routes but we have a gigantic trade deficit. We're getting screwed all the way around. However, it seems like it should be unconstitutional to just say, "hey we don't like you, we're going to take your money and give it to someone else".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 08/02/2008
- JoeySoCal I'm a Fan of JoeySoCal 7 fans permalink

By the way, although well-intentioned, the $1000 windfall tax rebate from Exon/Mobile is a bit corny. Eating our own corporations doesn't seem like much of a solution. Get plug-in hybrids on the road, and redirect the welfare from oil-companies to renewable fuels, that is a solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 08/02/2008
- JoeySoCal I'm a Fan of JoeySoCal 7 fans permalink

If you unjerk your knee, take a breath and use your brain matter for a moment, you will realize that this is probably a good move. I am a liberal eco-lover. I drive a Prius with pride. However, I can't help but be largely and sorely disappointed with the contribution of 'alternative energy'.

It was over two years ago that I came across and got all excited about the prospects of alternative technologies and energies (bought stocks): solar, wind, geothermal, ocean/tidal power, biofuels, etc. However, two years along and billions of dollars of investment later, the biofuels are a dilemma, geothermal is virtually nonexistent, ocean is non-existent, wind is being *fought against* by the democratic Lion senator from Massachusetts himself (what a disappointment), solar is making inroads, but it's only going to provide a portion, and it will take time. Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles are the only technology that appear to have solid, relatively near term potential to help out.

Also bare in mind here that if Gore had officially become president having run on a platform of alternative energy, and the trillion spent in Iraq had gone to this endeavor rather than pissed away in the sand, these technologies likely would be much farther along sparing us this mess. But alas, very close to 50% of American citizens (deuchebags), voted in Shrub twice-over for a full eight years. That's a setback and a reality we have to deal with.

(continued below)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 08/02/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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Actually, that was close to 50% of the American citizens that bothered to show up on election day, voted for the shrub.

In '00, it really didn't matter who you voted for....So said the supremecourt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 08/02/2008
- ahornick I'm a Fan of ahornick 2 fans permalink

If the Republican logjam can't be broken any other way than some compromise on drilling, I'd like to see:

a) no new leases until the oil companies surrender an equal area of current undrilled locations - they keep claiming there is no oil there (in 68 million acres) so this should be no big deal for them.

a) a lease guarantee that ALL finds must be used in the USA and cannot be exported.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 08/02/2008

Let the leases expire. Use them or lose them. The sooner we quit looking for oil to get us out of our energy problems, the healthier we will be.

Al Gore gets it straight: "We're borrowing money from China to buy oil from the Persian Gulf to burn it in ways that destroy the planet. Every bit of that's got to change.

"But if we grab hold of that common thread and pull it hard, all of these complex problems begin to unravel and we will find that we're holding the answer to all of them right in our hand.

"The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels."

And Cenk Uygur made the excellent point here on HuffPo: "If We Drill in the US, We Don't Get the Oil", multinational corporation Exxon-Mobil does, and they will sell it on the world market which will do precious little to change gas prices here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/if-we-drill-in-the-us-we_b_114525.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-gore/a-generational-challenge_b_113359.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 08/02/2008
- long333 I'm a Fan of long333 4 fans permalink

thatvisionthing: market which will do precious little to change gas prices here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/if-we-drill-in-the-us-we_b_114525.html
a) we can lower the estimated $15/barrel “security price” we pay from dealing with unstable oil countries

b) More US supply sitting right on our property sure creates competition to OPEC. When we can underbid OPEC and Russia with delivery costs added for export on oil I will eat my hat, break out the Champaign our problems are over. Call me when oil starts showing up in Europe from the US!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-gore/a-generational-challenge_b_113359.html
Al Gore: “When we send money to foreign countries to buy nearly 70 percent of the oil we use every day, they build new skyscrapers and we lose jobs.”

By Al Gore’s logic here we will support the US dollar and economy by domestic drilling. Glad Al sees that it is an economic winner to pump our own oil. Global warming is not the issue as Al can see with domestic drilling of oil we will use with or without domestic supply.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 08/02/2008
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

The Messiah-one of the most far left senators-will now become the Great Compromiser. This is change that I find hard to believe in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 08/02/2008

The talking points that you spew are something I find hard to believe in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 08/02/2008
- superbust I'm a Fan of superbust 7 fans permalink

Who cares? Not us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 08/02/2008
- soundfury I'm a Fan of soundfury 13 fans permalink

This is a sad statement of how hopeless, bitter and jaded Americans are today. This kind of thinking will sink this country to the point of no return.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 08/02/2008
- edwarvir I'm a Fan of edwarvir 36 fans permalink

Daniboy has turned into a sourboy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 08/02/2008

Barack Obama also had this to say about the "Gang of Ten's" new energy plan.

"What I don't want is for the best to be the enemy of the good here, and if we can come up with a genuine, bipartisan compromise in which I have to accept some things I don't like, or the Democrats have to accept some things that they don't like, in exchange for moving us in the direction of energy independence, than that's something I'm open to," Obama said. "I wanted to send a strong signal that we can't allow partisan bickering or the desire to score political points to get in the way of providing some genuine relief to people who are struggling."

I don't like offshore drilling anymore then most liberals, but compromise is the name of the game. Sometimes we are going to have to swallow a bitter pill to get legislation that will help the country in the long term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 08/02/2008
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

The new Lib phrase-limited drilling---a little worse than no drilling but better than just drilling. If Libs had been around during the Industrial Revolution there would have no revolution. We could still be riding horses. But any Lib would say this is good because we would have no global warming. We should still be using whale blubber to burn in our laterns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 08/02/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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I assume by "lib" you mean Libertarians. Otherwise, your post is nonsense. It's the so-called "conservatives" that hold back progress at every opportunity. Stem cells anyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 08/02/2008

It's the definition of Conservative...to hold back.

As opposed to Progressive...to progress.

Heh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 08/02/2008
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

The government is not going to get us out of this energy mess-capitalism will. But making money is a dirty idea to all Libs. Only government can do it-YEA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 08/02/2008

As opposed to "conservative" thought? Look up the definition. It means holding on to the status quo no matter what.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 08/02/2008
- superbust I'm a Fan of superbust 7 fans permalink

Hey st-u-pid, libs have been around at the least since Jesus.
Got it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 08/02/2008
- kitrat33 I'm a Fan of kitrat33 3 fans permalink

The left bringing Jesus to their defense, funny. Jesus belived that you should give 10% to the CHURCH so that the CHURCH could help the poor. Dems think you should give 30% to the DEMS so they can BUY the votes of the poor with YOU'R money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 08/02/2008
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We want to advance to green earth-friendly renewable, sustainable clean non-catast­rophic-glo­bal warming energy sources. That's PROGRESS. It's looking at the planet as a whole, not just individuals or nations. I doubt if you can get your mind around that, from what I've read.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 08/02/2008
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 170 fans permalink

Could you please post something that has a point. There are enough idjits posting generic right-wing nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 08/02/2008

This was what Sen. Obama said today in Florida in his reply to a reporter's question: “What I don't want to do is for the best to be the enemy of the good. And if we can come up with a genuine bipartisan compromise, in which I have to accept some things that I don't like or the Democrats have to accept some things that they don't like in exchange for actually moving us in the direction of actual energy independence, then that's something I'm open to.“

This sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I would rather have someone like this in office rather than one who holds on so rigidly to their ideology that they get nothing done (or the wrong things done). That's why ideologues never govern very effectively.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 08/02/2008
- Lemeritus I'm a Fan of Lemeritus 108 fans permalink
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Obama says he will reluctantly consider new offshore oil drilling in exchange for stripping oil companies of tax breaks and extending several tax credits to spur the search for alternative fuels.

Can anyone tell me what justifies this quid pro quo? Why not pull the damn tax breaks and forget about windfall profit taxes! Didn’t Obama call Clinton’s windfall profit tax idea a “gimmick” in May? Yes, I do believe he did.

And didn’t Obama say that McCain’s offshore drilling proposal made “absolutely no sense at all” in June BEFORE he went to Florida (where offshore drilling is popular and where he trails) promising to settle the Republican’s hash over the issue once and for all? Yes, I do believe he did.

And didn’t Nancy Pelosi do a star turn on these very pages a couple of days ago saying “the impact of any new drilling will be insignificant -- promising savings of only pennies per gallon many years down the road”? Yes, I do believe she did.

Soooo. . . now. . . any progressives left out there wondering WTF?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 08/02/2008

"Trading Months
Crude oil futures are listed nine years forward using the following listing schedule: consecutive months are listed for the current year and the next five years; in addition, the June and December contract months are listed beyond the sixth year. Additional months will be added on an annual basis after the December contract expires, so that an additional June and December contract would be added nine years forward, and the consecutive months in the sixth calendar year will be filled in. "

http://www.nymex.com/CL_spec.aspx

There are companies and speculators buying oil futures up to 9 years out. And yet libs are certain, absolutely certain that adding a few million barrels of oil to the equation 5 years from now will have no impact whatsoever on prices. It boggles the mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 08/02/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 246 fans permalink

True.. it does offer downward pressure.. just like BUSH's screw ups in the middleast increase the price of oil. Remember his invasion oif Iraq have taken 2 million barrels per day off the market. That 3 times the increase in oil usage over the same period of time.


And of course BUSH's huge deficts.. both trade and budget, cause the better than 50% devalution of the dollar which is responsible for much of the increase in oil prices..

I'm also sure if you jack up the margin requierment and allow only end users to buy oil as pre 2000, the price would fall 20-30 bucks per barrel..

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 08/02/2008
- Lemeritus I'm a Fan of Lemeritus 108 fans permalink
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Contango. Backwardation. Ain't we got fun?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 08/02/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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Obfuscation. Misdirection. Ain't we got fun?

(this IS fun!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 08/02/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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It boggles the mind-

I'm not a bit surprised.

How do you kick an addiction.....By abusing more substance?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 08/02/2008
- long333 I'm a Fan of long333 4 fans permalink

I am addicted to air and energy. Without a substitute I am not interested in quiting either. I don't have a problem with using alternative energy excpet their is this litle thing called science getting in the way of something cheaper than oil.

Wave the magic wand. I am fine with that.

You can list all the alternatives you want in your answer it won't mean we are driving solar powered cars tomorrow.

Wrap your head around the fact the majority of the public

a) Wants an alternative to oil
b) Doesn't want to destroy the economy in the process

It WILL happen but not on an Al Gore insanity timeline or methodology

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 08/02/2008
- superbust I'm a Fan of superbust 7 fans permalink

Once you use the term lib I realize your an a---hole.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 08/02/2008
- blueshield I'm a Fan of blueshield 79 fans permalink

Sigh. Google Bakken oil. New field just coming into production, 4 bbl, sweet light crude, coming out of the ground now, as in this year.

If you are correct, you will please show me the impact Bakken is having on gas prices, futures, etc.

Waiting....

You mean, oil prices have been rising? In spite of this new American oil - as much oil as is estimated in the entire offshore Atlantic fields being debated?

End of argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 08/02/2008
- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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A country that wants to control US power & influence such as China, India, Saudi Arabia, etc. (or even if you just want to make a lot of money), if you hold a lot of US paper (dollars, real estate) none of it is worth much anymore. And it's probably going to be worth less in the days to come.

But there's something that America has that you want & need for your own country's development, power & wealth. Something that is easily to ship back home (repo) than the foreclosed houses in subdivisions across America that you invested in or USD that you hold that aren't worth the paper they're printed on, and that's OIL.

Short of going to war to get your investment back, if the US government gave the leases to oil companies & the laws were lifted to allow for drilling, all you would have to do is get shares in the company, a few friendly faces on the boards, & rigs will be springing up all along the coastlines of the US in no time at all. No matter what the breakthrough in solar or other alternatives. Because YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT. We are. We, the People. You're making a profit while spoiling the US's environment.

Hoo-ah!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 08/02/2008
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You have no idea how long it takes to build an off-shore rig, do you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 08/02/2008
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How long does it take the Chinese to build one? Or a thousand? 1.6 billion Chinese to 300 million Americans.

We're not all as myopic as you. We're also not on the payroll of those trying to put out the fires caused by the dissemination of facts to the people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 08/02/2008
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The 'hoo-ah!' was a nice touch. I'll give you that. ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 08/02/2008

So what the next thing the genius compromiser O will take off the table from M c C a i n. To r t u r e? Secret p r i s o n s in other countries? I'm sure O will preface those comments with "in limited amounts". And your job little o b a m a b o t s? Your job is to bend over backwards defending him and his compromises. Just keep bending backwards until your heads are stuck completely up your p o s t e r i o r s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 08/02/2008
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