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CHRISTOPHER WILLS | August 2, 2008 03:01 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. speaks, Friday, Aug. 1, 2008, during a town hall meeting in St. Petersburg, Fla. (AP Photo/Mike Carlson)

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past _ and I'll repeat again _ that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Some two dozen members of Congress are co-sponsors of legislation to create a commission that would study reparations _ that is, payments and programs to make up for the damage done by slavery.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People supports the legislation, too. Cities around the country, including Obama's home of Chicago, have endorsed the idea, and so has a major union, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

Obama has worked to be seen as someone who will bring people together, not divide them into various interest groups with checklists of demands. Supporting reparations could undermine that image and make him appear to be pandering to black voters.

"Let's not be naive. Sen. Obama is running for president of the United States, and so he is in a constant battle to save his political life," said Kibibi Tyehimba, co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. "In light of the demographics of this country, I don't think it's realistic to expect him to do anything other than what he's done."

But this is not a position Obama adopted just for the presidential campaign. He voiced the same concerns about reparations during his successful run for the Senate in 2004.

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There's enough flexibility in the term "reparations" that Obama can oppose them and still have plenty of common ground with supporters.

The NAACP says reparations could take the form of government programs to help struggling people of all races. Efforts to improve schools in the inner city could also aid students in the mountains of West Virginia, said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau.

"The solution could be broad and sweeping," Shelton said.

The National Urban League _ a group Obama addressed Saturday without mentioning the issue in his speech _ avoids the word "reparations" as too vague and highly charged. But the group advocates government action to close the gaps between white America and black America.

Urban League President Marc Morial said he expects his members to press Obama on how he intends to close those gaps and what action he would take in the first 100 days of his presidency.

"What steps should we take as a nation to alleviate the effects of racial exclusion and racial discrimination?" Morial asked.

The House voted this week to apologize for slavery. The resolution, which was approved on a voice vote, does not mention reparations, but past opponents have argued that an apology would increase pressure for concrete action.

Obama says an apology would be appropriate but not particularly helpful in improving the lives of black Americans. Reparations could also be a distraction, he said.

In a 2004 questionnaire, he told the NAACP, "I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say, 'We've paid our debt,' and to avoid the much harder work."

Taking questions Sunday at a conference of minority journalists, Obama said he would be willing to talk to American Indian leaders about an apology for the nation's treatment of their people.

Pressed for his position on apologizing to blacks or offering reparations, Obama said he was more interested in taking action to help people struggling to get by. Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would stand to benefit from reparations.

"If we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they're disproportionately uninsured," Obama said. "If we've got an agenda that says every child in America should get _ should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it's oftentimes our children who can't afford to go to college."

One reparations advocate, Vernellia Randall, a law professor at the University of Dayton, bluntly responded: "I think he's dead wrong."

She said aid to the poor in general won't close the gaps _ poor blacks would still trail poor whites, and middle-class blacks would still lag behind middle-class whites. Instead, assistance must be aimed directly at the people facing the after-effects of slavery and Jim Crow laws, she said.

"People say he can't run and get elected if he says those kinds of things," Randall said. "I'm like, well does that mean we're really not ready for a black president?"

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders. The man wit...
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders. The man wit...
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Forget about Reparations. Simply make available to Decendents of Slaves, Educational Services (free of charge) to every decendant of slaves. A lack of education is a "Ball and Chain" around the ankles of the majority of Black Americans.
No decendant of slaves should have to pay for an Education in America. This is the approach that a
"President Barack Obama" should take to help these generationally poor people over come their dire circumstances. Consider that slavery stipulated that no Black was to be taught to read or get any kind of an education out side of a slaves chores.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 08/03/2008
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Thats easily said.....YOU HAVE free public grade and high schools......But you have to WANT an education......Why do I say that? Because there is a over-50% drop-out rate. Haven't you heard, only 19% of students in Indianpolis graduate, in Detroit only 25%, in Baltimore 31%..........Here in Chicago we spend over $13,000 per student. Yet only 1/2 will graduate..­..........­.....And if you think the 70% born-out-of-wedlock birthrate has nothing to do with this, then you are in lala-land.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 08/03/2008
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PS: Put your EXCUSES aside, slavery ended 146 years ago. Explain why 2nd generation Vietnamese, Cambodian, Philipene, Cuban, Chinese, Indian, Korean, East European, and yes Black Africans are coming over here and making it? Succeeding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 08/03/2008
- WilburM I'm a Fan of WilburM 4 fans permalink

the answer is contained in you own argument: what's different about the african american culture from the others you mention? here's a few things:

1. didn't choose to relocate to america/ were not immigrants
2. weren't forced to work under penalty of death and had the fruits of their labor stolen away for their entire lives
3. weren't forced to marry/breed according to whims of others.

these differences may not seem to matter very much in, say, the last 10 years but it's the entrenching of the disadvantage over generations that has stripped people of their hope and dignity. I also live in Chicago and, although I see the same sights as you, I see the context a little different than you.

all people are asking for is to do what's right. it likely won't make a gigantic difference in itself but it at least begins the process of respecting the rights of the victims and giving them a reason to have hope and dignity. what they choose to do with it is up to them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 08/03/2008

Since AAs were denied the right of education since slavery time this is an excellent idea. It would be like not taxing the Native Americans for the land that was stolen. It would giving people an opportunity to compete for better jobs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 08/04/2008

Anyone who is with me on the battle against income taxation and for freedom become my fan. Lets rock this muther!!!! We cannot be free until we are economically free.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 08/03/2008

What I am for is you finding a relevant post and learning how to follow the topics that are given. Take your personal agenda elsewhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 08/03/2008
- bwither I'm a Fan of bwither 42 fans permalink
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This has WHAT to do with the subject exactly?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 08/03/2008
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This isn't news, or new for that matter.

He said the same thing at the first youtube debate; the same one where Kucinich said we have a biblical obligation to provide reparations for slavery.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 08/03/2008
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Meanwhile, 'American Indians' muse...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 08/03/2008

Living in AZ for the last 20 years, you bring up a good point. It is nearly a crime at what these people have had to endure and yet they have had to adopt our world as their own. We put them on lasnd that was barely farmable and when they adapted and made it work, we cut off their water supply.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 08/03/2008
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It was a terrible thing which happened to Native Americans. It was a terrible thing to happen to African Americans. There are no African American casinos I have to point out. Both need to be compensated in a way that benefits not only them, but the nation. Hundreds of millions of people died on both sides. Africa was depopulated and the numbers of Native Americans killed by disease and government sanctioned murder is absolutely horrific.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 08/03/2008
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Likely, Life will always be perceived as unfair... Life progresses... Individual consciousness learns and expands... Group consciousness as well...
To the Self Segregating by skin Color "Black Community": What has all your anger/ hate inflicted upon your Community??? What has blaming brought you???
Most children born now without a two parent household... Young "Black" males greatly incarcerated... (Whether the Law is Fair, who broke the Law?) "Black" people calling females B******, H*'s, and celebrating Pimping, are called successful, because they make lots of money... Gangs and thugs behaving horrible to all humanity... Large school drop out rate... Ebonics... Excuses... Victim behavior... Victim Beliefs... Just who can Repair all that???
IMHO, no "Government" Apology, nor affirmative action programs, nor money, can, or will, repair the effects of Slavery... The "Black" Community, IMHO, needs to repair themselves... Cast off blame and darkness... Unfairness was done to most all of our Ancestors...
I am of English, Irish, Dutch, Welsh, French, German and Cherokee, Ethnic Ancestry... No question my Ethnic Ancestors did horrible things Historically, to each other... Maybe being of 7 different Ethnic Groups is a blessing... I never thought of me, or Self Segregated me, into any Ethnic Grouping, or skin color... I got to grow up simply being Human... The closest I came to Self Segregating was Religion... I did a leap of Faith, from Organized Religion, into Spirituality, many years back... LIFE is about CHOICE...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 08/03/2008
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Acknowledging the contributions to a problem(s) is not the same as insisting that progress has not or cannot be made.

You are essentially saying that the problems in the black community are inherent to who they are as human beings, as opposed to a combination of factors, ALL of which need to be addressed in order to do this "moving on" everyone thinks is so easy.

I hope someone else feels your post is worthy of dissection because I'm not in the mood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 08/03/2008
- WilburM I'm a Fan of WilburM 4 fans permalink

"To the Self Segregating by skin Color "Black Community":"

do you actually, you know, live in America? the place where rich, white people are the only ones self-segregating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 08/03/2008
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I totally agree with him and his stand on this issue. He is doing the right thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 08/03/2008
- Tator I'm a Fan of Tator 9 fans permalink

Think real hard about this one if you are an African American. If you truly believe to are owed money and it is yours, do you see what Obama is doing to you? It is classic Liberalism....they take YOUR money and keep it to spend it.....you are to stupid to spend your money on the right things...they have to spend your money for you.

Liberalism has *rewed the African American better than the KKK ever dreamed it could....thanks to liberalism you schools are terrible, your black on black crime is out of control and your teenage females are having out-of-wedlock births at 70% and most importantly (and the only thing that really matters to them) you vote Democrat +90% of the time.....Liberalism restricts and prevents any real discussion of your problems because if you try, a Liberal will label you a racists before you finish a sentence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 08/03/2008
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Obama has even said he wants Affirmative-Action by economic need, NOT race or gender. He said, "A wealthier African-American does NOT deserve more opportunities then a poor White." He said that last Saturday at the UNITY Conference at the McCormicks Place in Chicago...­......Gues­s what, here's where people will diss me, I think he's absolutely correct about that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 08/03/2008
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steamboat and I agree! universe set to implode any second now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 08/03/2008
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This isn't news, or new for that matter.

Obama said the same thing at the first youtube debate, the same one where Dennis Kucinich said we had a biblical obligation to provide reparations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 08/03/2008
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"I don't want nobody to give me nothing, open up the door, I'll get it myself, do you hear me...!!

James Brown
philosopher and "Godfather of Soul"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 08/03/2008
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He was talking about himself individually. Let us think about the wages the slaves should have been paid. Giving is not what anybody is asking for; the only things that people are asking for is what is owed and an apology. In the name of slavery, let us solve all of society's ills. The way things are going, it looks like we are all going in that direction just under a different name, slaves under corporatism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 08/03/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

I am very confused here, are you saying white people of today, that haven't ever had a slave, should apologize to someone who wasn't ever a slave?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 08/03/2008

No slaves under income taxation. A fee paid on money you have already paid for with your time, effort and ingenuity. No one has a right to it but you!! It is yours!! Render unto Cesar that which is Cesar's and unto God that which is God's. I do not belong to Cesar and my time here on this planet is the gift from God not Cesar. Not what is mine and I have no choice but to fight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 08/03/2008

Recognize that if you want to give reparations to the descendants of slaves, then set them free, set everyone free. Obama said give them jobs, I say let them keep all that they earn. End the evil concept of income taxation by going to a fair tax system of sales tax and we do not need any reparations. What we need is freedom. In a capitalist society, your capital is your power. If someone is taking my capital on a regular basis they are stealing my power they are making me their slave. As H Rap Brown said, "I don't want you to give me anything just get out of my way and I will get it myself!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 08/03/2008
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O is not the president to address this issue, for obvious reasons. Even I hope this issue is set aside. That would be unfair to him.

We have far more important issues that are much more immediate and pressing than this one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 08/03/2008

It is congress that has to address this issue. With nearly $170,000 annual salary and many benefits, they ought be able to handle this overdue issue while handling more pressing ones.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 08/03/2008
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You are a joke. Who took out the music programs in schools? Who has been in charge of ruining our system of education in the last 28 years? What about all the money earned for slavery? What about at least an apology? What about the government selling drugs in black neighborhoods in order to raise money for the contras? And about Yugoslavia, you yourselves tore that country apart. If somebody else had done it, then you should be compensated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 08/03/2008
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The House apologized to descendants of slaves last week, although no one really knows unless you saw the article on CNN or Yahoo or some place like that.

I really want to know if that means we're no longer 3/5 (three-fifths) of a person? The language is still in the constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 08/03/2008
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 44 fans permalink

About your taking music programs out of schools. I know all about this, my sister was a teacher for 28 years in the pathetic Chicago Public Schools. And your right, they always want to cut art and music, and extracurricular clubs. Oh, I should say they cut many of them. They only have up-to-date math and science in a handful of chosen (magnet) schools. Whenever innovative ideas come along the teacher's union fights it (oh by the way, 88% of their children go to parochial schools). But do you know what they do have money for: Sending basketball teams all over the country. Prosser High School even played games in England....Why the so-called civil rights leaders use the kids as pawns, taking them on boycotts, what have you, during school days. So how bad do they want the children to really get educated? Oh yeah, whenever they had parent-teacher nights, my sister said it would be a great night if 2 parents showed up. And, of course, those would be the parents of a child who already was a good student. Otherwise, despite letters, flyers, you name it, the parents didn't want to be bothered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 08/03/2008
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He has said this before. I've had this conversation with my family and friends many times. And we have jokingly talked about getting our "40 acres and a mule" but, there seems to be a consensus that a one-time payment of any type could do more harm than good. We need to fix the underlying problems; education, the justice system, and availability of jobs and health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 08/03/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

"We need to fix the underlying problems; education, the justice system, and availability of jobs and health care."

Here you go, sometimes the truth hurts:

- Education isn't broken, the black family, 70% of children in the AA community don't have 2 parents living in the house and the parents are the main drivers of education.

- Justice system isn't broken, stop breaking the law and you 'll see pleanty of those rates drops and help the police in your community, don't promote this "don't talk to police" thing when a 12 year old girl gets shot. Blacks committ about 50% of the murders yet they are only 12% of the population, the same goes for who is the vicitm of murder, 50% are black.

- Availability of jobs isn't something you should hope that government creates for you, it is something they need to promote and let it happen. Many states are not business friendly and have high taxes for SMBs which drive business away and keeps new business from opening.

- Health care, don't know how you fix it but know that socializing never has been the answer. It always sounds like a good idea for government to do something like that but we have seen it turn into a monster too many times.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 08/03/2008
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Education system is broken. Inner city school systems have too many incompetent, lazy, and grossly unqualified teachers and administrators. Too many of these people were failures in suburban school systems and they are simply biding their time inner city schools. They must go.

Sure, people should stop committing crimes. But there are TWO systems of justice, one for whites, and one for everyone else. When a black child goes missing, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, do not show her face on TV. White cops DO NOT shoot UNARMED white males 40-50 times on a routine stop. White people do not get 5 years in prison for simple drug possession charges. White males do not get 10 years fin prison for having sex with a girl two years their junior.

There is something wrong with YOU if YOU cannot acknowledge these OBVIOUS inequities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 08/03/2008
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Exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 08/03/2008

Well let us see. Simply giving me money and allowing slavery to exist would not help. Simply giving me money where i do not understand the system of economics in America will do me no good. Simply handing me a wad of cash only devalues currency and in the end I do not have as much money in the end. That is why it was 40 acres and a mule.

Affirmative action did not work either. If I am as qualified as a white person I get a job/contract. Okay and how many colleges let a black person go there so proportionally it would have an effect? In america today degree is the competitive marker for a reason. It does not denote ability but promise of performance.

So now what perpetual welfare? Nope that makes us look lazy and then defines that we must be made to work and stop stealing from taxpayers.

Okay what is left truly? A system in place that allows even if we get reparations to affect a level playing field as well as deal with racism that will no matter what pervade society in the US. And maybe just maybe repay some debts, not just sugarcoat with bad solutions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 08/03/2008
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Really? Pay black people because their ancestors had hardships? My friend you have myopic tunnel vision. Every people, from every race, from every religion, from every ethnicity, from every place on the planet has had to endure countless hardships to get to 2008! This feel sorry for us attitude only "enslaves" the next generation of black youth the same way it has done the past 40 years. How about being responsible for your life as it is? Instead put the time into stamping out gangs? Drug dealing? teenage pregnancy? Junvenile crime? How about stamping out "Rap"? Bring back the "Blues", real music with real musical talent to tell stories instead of spreading violence to enhance the bank accounts of few on the backs of many? I am part Yugoslavian, the country does not exist anymore. Is somebody going to pay me for this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 08/03/2008
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You need to take that up with the former Yugoslavian government, not the United States.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 08/03/2008
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Well said. Something else everyone seems to forget...Obama is HALF WHITE, if he does get in he will not be the first BLACK president, but the first half black half white president. Seems to me he knows he needs to give equal time to both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 08/03/2008
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Blacks do not employ a "feel sorry for us" attitude. African Americans want equal opportunity, the same thing they have asked for since their existence in this nation. Our minds are not enslaved and African American have progressed in this country at every level and continue to thrive, even when we are faced with the shackles of racism and oppression. We don't cry about segregation, however, we address institutionalized racism. We have spread our energies to address societal ills in all communities. We address drugs in the communities, that's how we discovered their origins in our communities (thanks CIA). Does the white community addressed the high increase in METH USE? Teen Pregnancy is DECLINING in the African American community, yet it's INCREASING in White communities. Are you addressing IT? We do not have to denounce RAP because we're intuitive and creative enough to be the creators of both - BLUES and RAP. Juvenile crime is rampant in all communities across America (thanks Reganomics), not just the African American community . Why are you suggesting it's an issue that WE must solve? Is your community addressing the rise in school shootings?
Most of the issues you listed are transcend race. Therefore, don't attempt to marginalize our efforts and progress in this country based upon your stereotypical and preconceived prejudices. An apology for slavery from the government is not a lot to ask! It's the government admission that they participated in the indentured servititude of a people and impeded their progress in

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 08/03/2008
- uheardme I'm a Fan of uheardme 10 fans permalink

Well said. Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 08/03/2008
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 44 fans permalink

Actually you seem to only blame Reagonomics. Well, the problems you mentioned started before Reagan. The break-up of the Black family really skyrocketed in the 60's. Some even point to those welfare laws. The illegal chemical drug problems started then (remember LSD, Mescaline, etc). The cocaine trade skyrocketed in the 70's. Many blame Hollywood, all those actors trying to convince everyone that cocaine was non-habit recreational drug. They were wrong about that too, weren't they? And that was the era of the Ben Spock thinking on how to raise your children. Remember, no more spankings and the belt, rather try sensitivity. See where thats got us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 08/03/2008

Hey Yugo. This is a much deeper question. WE ARE ALL STILL SLAVES BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT STUDIED AMERICAN SLAVERY AS WE SHOULD. It was a monumental mistake. We need to figure out why it happened to make sure it never happens ( or maybe stop it now) again.
We admit it was wrong.
The nest step is apology.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 08/03/2008
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1.) I read about slavery in school when I was 10 years old. I'm 60 now, so you don't know what your talking about. Hey, Hollywood has done enough films about it (ex: Roots)

2.) Its happening now----in Africa ! Where have you been? The muslims in Sudan and Mauritania have slaves. In Sudan the muslims capture Black Africans in the southern part of Sudan and have a 'chattel slavery of Black Africans' as a business enterprize.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 08/03/2008

you sound terribly ignorant...please stop

were yugoslavians enslaved, whipped and raped for 400+ years?

i didn't think so

whether you realize it or not, many of the social ills that plague blacks in america are a result of slavery

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 08/03/2008
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YDM (nice name) this statement is study in bridge building.
"whether you realize it or not, many of the social ills that plague blacks in america are a result of slavery"

Many are incapable of bridging this gap of intelligence for it is created by the meteor of their fear hitting the ground of their reason and causing the chasm (black smoldering hole) of their contempt. Such canyons require feats of engineering utilizing the materials of empathy and love. The availability of the materials will greatly determine whether bridges to humanity can be built and traversed to cross over to national sanity. Many have constructed PC overtures (vs. real) of compassion only to later experience the rumbling that comes as faulty structures come crashing down under the weight of their use in circumstances calling for overarching, sanity based reasoning that bridges future with past.


I give you His Story instead of history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 08/03/2008
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Actually many of the yugoslavians were enslaved, whipped, and raped-------by the Ottoman Empire (the Ottoman Turks). Read Eastern European history , very interesting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 08/03/2008
- sherbug I'm a Fan of sherbug 51 fans permalink

When you look back at how this country was started, I do believe reparations are in order. You had white land owners that forced slaves to work their land for nothing, not even a decent place to live. Then came the age of industrialization where family wealth was amassed. Blacks could not take part in amassing family wealth because they had no money to purchase steamships or railroads or banks or five and dime stores or beer plants or oil fields. The black family today as a rule are not heirs to fortunes made during industrialization. The only thing blacks were heirs to was Jim Crow.

I think every black person should have a federal tax holiday for 15 years. I'm sure this would seem unfair to many whites who feel they have not faired any better than blacks in America, but every race of people the government has wronged has been offered something in the form of reparations, that is except the black race.

It is time to make monetary amends for the crime committed against blacks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 08/03/2008
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Welfare and affirmative action were reparations for 40 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 08/03/2008
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White women are the people who most benefitted from affirmative action. Welfare only hurt blacks and all the other people who were on it. Blacks were not ever the majority of people on welfare. Affirmative action only worked in government. Also, it has been shown that the ability to educate at universities is indeed weakened where there is a lack of diversity in the faculty and student body.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 08/03/2008
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So what is corporate welfare, no-bid federal contracts awarded to Cheney's old boss Halliburton? The 3 billion dollar bailout earlier, which was a form of corporate welfare, who's being repaired there? I would be curious to see your answer?

Also the original homestead laws that gave land to white people, what was that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 08/03/2008
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Like every other issue before us, Obama applies common sense as a solution. We're so used to the opposite that we don't even recognize logical thinking anymore. Go O!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 08/03/2008

So right!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 08/03/2008
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There is a Chinese saying, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach him how to fish and you feed him for life." Reparations are the same way. A one-time reparation payment would not help black families nearly as much as improving education and job opportunities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 08/03/2008

Exactly! Do you know how the Egyptians enslaved the Jews? The Egyptians placed a tax on the Jews they knew they would not be able to pay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 08/03/2008
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there is no archeological evidence that Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 08/03/2008

How can you improve job opportunities when our taxation system is forcing most companies to either leave this country and set up shop elsewhere or fold? What this nation needs is an enema. We need to wake up to the reality that slavery has not ended simply changed methdology.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 08/03/2008
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