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CHRISTOPHER WILLS | August 2, 2008 03:01 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. speaks, Friday, Aug. 1, 2008, during a town hall meeting in St. Petersburg, Fla. (AP Photo/Mike Carlson)

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past _ and I'll repeat again _ that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Some two dozen members of Congress are co-sponsors of legislation to create a commission that would study reparations _ that is, payments and programs to make up for the damage done by slavery.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People supports the legislation, too. Cities around the country, including Obama's home of Chicago, have endorsed the idea, and so has a major union, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

Obama has worked to be seen as someone who will bring people together, not divide them into various interest groups with checklists of demands. Supporting reparations could undermine that image and make him appear to be pandering to black voters.

"Let's not be naive. Sen. Obama is running for president of the United States, and so he is in a constant battle to save his political life," said Kibibi Tyehimba, co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. "In light of the demographics of this country, I don't think it's realistic to expect him to do anything other than what he's done."

But this is not a position Obama adopted just for the presidential campaign. He voiced the same concerns about reparations during his successful run for the Senate in 2004.

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There's enough flexibility in the term "reparations" that Obama can oppose them and still have plenty of common ground with supporters.

The NAACP says reparations could take the form of government programs to help struggling people of all races. Efforts to improve schools in the inner city could also aid students in the mountains of West Virginia, said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau.

"The solution could be broad and sweeping," Shelton said.

The National Urban League _ a group Obama addressed Saturday without mentioning the issue in his speech _ avoids the word "reparations" as too vague and highly charged. But the group advocates government action to close the gaps between white America and black America.

Urban League President Marc Morial said he expects his members to press Obama on how he intends to close those gaps and what action he would take in the first 100 days of his presidency.

"What steps should we take as a nation to alleviate the effects of racial exclusion and racial discrimination?" Morial asked.

The House voted this week to apologize for slavery. The resolution, which was approved on a voice vote, does not mention reparations, but past opponents have argued that an apology would increase pressure for concrete action.

Obama says an apology would be appropriate but not particularly helpful in improving the lives of black Americans. Reparations could also be a distraction, he said.

In a 2004 questionnaire, he told the NAACP, "I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say, 'We've paid our debt,' and to avoid the much harder work."

Taking questions Sunday at a conference of minority journalists, Obama said he would be willing to talk to American Indian leaders about an apology for the nation's treatment of their people.

Pressed for his position on apologizing to blacks or offering reparations, Obama said he was more interested in taking action to help people struggling to get by. Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would stand to benefit from reparations.

"If we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they're disproportionately uninsured," Obama said. "If we've got an agenda that says every child in America should get _ should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it's oftentimes our children who can't afford to go to college."

One reparations advocate, Vernellia Randall, a law professor at the University of Dayton, bluntly responded: "I think he's dead wrong."

She said aid to the poor in general won't close the gaps _ poor blacks would still trail poor whites, and middle-class blacks would still lag behind middle-class whites. Instead, assistance must be aimed directly at the people facing the after-effects of slavery and Jim Crow laws, she said.

"People say he can't run and get elected if he says those kinds of things," Randall said. "I'm like, well does that mean we're really not ready for a black president?"

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders. The man wit...
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders. The man wit...
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Solomon said, "Knowledge without wisdom is foolishness". Why consider reparations for slavery when the enslavement of the majority of Americans and people in other nations in the name of Global Trade has never ended. The powerful have changed tactics, instituting a different methodology to maintain the status quo. The dollar-a-day Chinese "workers" producing $100.00+ sneakers that are hyped by millionaire athletes who get paid with the profits of slave labor. This nation must study our past or we will repeat it. Recognize that the color of the slave had little to do with the economics behind slavery. Until we address the mathematics behind slavery we never notice that we may be slaves ourselves. Sojourner Truth-" I brought thousands of slaves to freedom..., I could have brought thousands more if only I could have convinced them that they were slaves."Try to convince people today that they are slaves after all they can own(actually rent) houses (after paying 3X the price over 30 thirty years).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 08/03/2008
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You are absolutely right. There is so much wrong going on right now when it comes to corporatism and usurpation of the media that reparations or forty acres and a mule has to go on the back burner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 08/03/2008

Recognize that if you want to give reparations to the descendants of slaves, then set them free, set everyone free. Obama said give them jobs, I say let them keep all that they earn. End the evil concept of income taxation by going to a fair tax system of sales tax and we do not need any reparations. What we need is freedom. In a capitalist society, your capital is your power. If someone is taking my capital on a regular basis they are stealing my power they are making me their slave. As H Rap Brown said, "I don't want you to give me anything just get out of my way and I will get it myself!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 08/03/2008
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 45 fans permalink

Are we talking about the H. Rap Brown doing life for murdering 2 African-American policemen in Atlanta?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 08/03/2008
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If you are referring to the same H. Rap Brown framed for murder, yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 08/05/2008
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I am from a Irish Roman Catholic lineage. When my Ancestors came over from Ireland they were indentured slaves. I dont believe in reparations. We all had to struggle, no handouts. I don't believe in big business bailouts either. I think we need to make government fair, not to make policy to benefit only these large Corporations. Thats why we are in the fix we are in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 08/03/2008

Recognize that if you want to give reparations to the descendants of slaves, then set them free, set everyone free. Obama said give them jobs, I say let them keep all that they earn. End the evil concept of income taxation by going to a fair tax system of sales tax and we do not need any reparations. What we need is freedom. In a capitalist society, your capital is your power. If someone is taking my capital on a regular basis they are stealing my power they are making me their slave. A man once said..."I don't want you to give me anything just get out of my way and I will get it myself!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 08/03/2008
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Sales tax helps the rich and hurts the poor if you just did the math, so there is nothing fair about that. You also need to study history better if you really think that the huge slavery machine can be compared to indentured servitude which was outlawed before this place even became a country because slaves and indentured servants were having babies and proving that we are of the same human race. These couples started the first abolitionist movement in this country and it was a powerful one. After this, to keep the institution of slavery, the slave owner lobbied and succeeded to make illegal indentured servitude and passed a law that only blacks could be slaves. They also made it illegal for blacks to marry whites and as in South Africa when the marriage laws were broken down all the rest fall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 08/03/2008
- Sepiastar I'm a Fan of Sepiastar 2 fans permalink

Are you kidding? Were they enslaved in America for over 400 yrs? What inventive contributions did your ancestors make to this country? African Americans WORKED HARD to build this country and contributed greatly to its advancement with no compensation. Did the US Government have a significant role in your ancestors indentured servitude?

John Paul II apologized for the entire Catholic Church for treatment of the Jews throughout the centuries.
Tony Blair apologized for the Irish Potato Famine.
President George H.W. Bush apologized to Japanese Americans and a sum of $20,000 was offered to the affected families
Sovereign Native American Indians are afforded free education and healthcare for the mistreatment and discrimination of their ancestors and the current tribes

When you compare our plights, you marginalize African American contributions and history. Yes, many ethnic groups faced obstacles in America and I do not undermine anyone's struggle, however, African Americans have a unique history in America and White America has financially benefitted from their plight. The conditions have transcended slavery and exists in modern society. Your ethnic group is not unfairly targeted by law enforcement officials and subjected to blatant sentencing disparities, you have not been used for scientific and product experimentation without your knowledge, and no one has continued to infitrated your community to devise it's destruction. Why is it not important to express your regret for reprehensible acts you have inflicted on an entire ethnic group that worked hard towards the progress of this nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 08/03/2008
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Sepiastar..... QUOTE: "Were they enslaved in America for over 400 yrs?"

The USA is 232 years old... So, is it that the British, Spanish, French, Dutch, Portuguese, etc owe Reparations to US Slave Descendents too? The USA acted to eventually stop Slavery that was already well established and flourishing here... Slavery existed long before that involved Africans...
http://www.dur.ac.uk/4schools/Slavery2/Timeline.htm (Atlantic Slave Trade Timeline) (A Few Key Dates Below)
1510 First slaves arrive in Spanish colonies of South America, having traveled via Spain.
1630s British interest in the slave trade grows as plantations are established in the Americas. A number of companies are set up to deal with the trade.
1652 The Dutch establish a colony at the Cape of Good Hope. Their position now makes them the dominant slaving nation.
1776 July 4 Congress adopts the Declaration of Independence
1807 Britain passes Abolition of Slave Trade Act which outlaws the British Atlantic slave trade.
1808 United States passes legislation banning slave trade.
1865 Slavery is abolished in the United States following the Civil War.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 08/03/2008
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSAL8YII3Sk
start at 1:00

This has been Obama's position for a long time now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 08/03/2008
- bwither I'm a Fan of bwither 57 fans permalink
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This isn't news, nor is it new.

Obama said as much at the first youtube debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSAL8YII3Sk

start at 1:00

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 08/03/2008
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I agree with Obama - the best compensation is to learn from history and make sure society is truly just.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 08/03/2008
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Vernellia Randall, I would ask you:

How did you get your law degree. Are you an average student who was accepted due to affirmative action laws, or are you an exceptional, highly motivated person who is excitedly persuing a career in law?

Do you come from a long history of welfare recipients, or a family that has been comfortably middle class for a generation or two?

Do you feel that I, a white guy with a family to feed who has worked his a** off to become a top level technician in the electronics field, owes you anything?

I say, get a life, and get a clue. When our boy Obama makes it into the White House, good things will happen for all the 94% of this country who have been lied to and financially raped by the current administration. Obama is not a surrogate for black people, he is a mouthpiece for ALL people, equally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 08/03/2008
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Get a LIFE IS THE RIGHT PHRASE! Sorry, White women are the largest benefactors of Affirmative Action. Statistically speaking, whites are the largest beneficiaries of the welfare system. 50-55% of the recipients are Whites. Therefore, when we use situations to substantiate our ideology, consider the factual answers. You questions are presenting a white-washed version of prejudicial stereotypes. In your case, WHITE WOMEN would be the answer to your questions, not minorities. You are analyzing this commentary incorrectly. White Americans seem to align apologies from the government as personal implications. This is not a personal apology from YOU, it is based upon the acts of the government. On a side note, Senator Obama is not anyone's "BOY". He's an intellectual politician that is trying to implement a progressive platform for all Americans, unlike Senator McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 08/03/2008
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Nobody is asking you personally for anything. You worked to become a top level whatever you are and that's great.

The point here is I don't care how hard you personally worked, you did not come from the same place as most blacks came from. Do you also object to the government giving subsidies to Native American tribes? Is this not a form of reparations to them? Did you object when Native Americans were not made to pay taxes on the gambling casinos for a number of years. As a result the Seminoles out of Florida now own the Hard Rock Café chain.

See how improvements can be made when a race of people are given their fair share of this land.

Monetary reparations are owed to blacks, period, end of story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 08/03/2008
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Monetary reparations. As a human being, I believe payment should be made. As a black person, I don't believe that payments should be made to many people who are in the state that they are in today. Giving people large amounts of money is bound to kill a number of people. I believe in programs, programs that everybody can benefit from that help the poor and help sefl-esteem and self-reliance. Programs that help everybody in the name of the people who worked without pay to make this country rich so that the people who came here to escape their home would be attracted to come here in the first place. Everybody in America enjoys what slaves have earned for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 08/03/2008
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A long line of welfare recipients? That's ignorant to say to descendants of slaves--the subject of this thread--who worked for nothing to build the wealth of this nation from 1619 to 1865.

What's your view metalpipe, of the U.S. homestead laws enacted from 1862 and were for settlers without capital. The settlers were given, for free, 160 acres or a quarter section and were required to work the land for five years. The land was protected from creditors by federal law, so the white settler did not have to worry about the land being taken out from under him. Were a large segment of the white's ancestors not welfare recipients too? Of course war veterans from the Revolution and the Civil were granted homesteads as well. Homestead laws that largely benefitted whites were enacted from 1862 to 1935.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 08/03/2008
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Wow...you go metalpipe:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 08/03/2008

Umm you just laid out some pretty big stereotypes. A law school that utilizes affirmative action will compare first criteria for admittance and then apply race afterwards. To get into law school Vernellia had to meet the benchmark. Then they may have applied race. You do not understand affirmative action and the blatant ignorance will destroy all your subsequent discourse.

There are very few two generations of Black Middle Class in America. Also there are families who are not Middle Class and never accepted Welfare. Your questions are more like statements masked as questions.

If Obama is a surrogate for all people then he must be also a surrogate for Black People. I am a Black (partially) who has not accepted a handout and who lived ina single parent household and who has lived in the Urban blight and went to a top tier School, and yes I got into Harvard Law but couldn't afford it.

Instead I worked my a** off too. And I am a Top Level Solution Developer and my family are not all from the US. What is the point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 08/03/2008
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The best way to pay reparations is to treat all fairly and see to it that injustices are no longer comitted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 08/03/2008

Nice words but require far more than the average person realizes. Freedom requires diligence (Benjamin Franklin). Freedom is never free but is borne on the backs of the free. We must recognize that our responsibility to this great experiment that is America only begins with our vote. We must do the hard labor intensive work of being free. Freedom is not a state of being it is a responsibility to each other and to the divine Creator. We can never allow ourselves to become comfortable with someone else telling us what the truth is we must search for it ourselves we must demand that injustices end not ask for them to end. We are Americans!! Then tell me this why do we act like slaves!! We cannot give reparations for slavery for slavery has tainted us all. We are all guilty now. We are brothers. We must stop fighting each other and look at who is enslaving us all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 08/03/2008
- moseyon I'm a Fan of moseyon 7 fans permalink

We in Australia,



















We in Australia, said sorry to our aborginal people.I had no objection I didnt understand why I should
until Sen. Obama made his speach about race. I seen our indigenous people cry.It was said they would want compensation. No they have not not one of them.They were treated so badly by our ancestors .BY not asking for money made it all the more sincere .In my home it gave us more than money can buy Never ,Never will racism be tolerated again.




said sorry to our Aborginal people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 AM on 08/03/2008

congratulations to you and your household!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 08/03/2008
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Slimy GOP is putting this issue out front hoping to diminish the Black vote for Obama. We smell you Repugs a mile away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 AM on 08/03/2008
- Norge I'm a Fan of Norge 22 fans permalink

And of course such should have long ago been done by the caucasian controlled congress.
Perhaps would be unseemly to have to do such by a non-caucasian president.

Rolf Krogsæther

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 AM on 08/03/2008
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If reparations is going to happen, it is up to congress. This issue is untouchable for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 08/03/2008
- Norge I'm a Fan of Norge 22 fans permalink

Quality schools, care centers, hospitals, safe streets and play grounds for children should be normal in modern civilized socities and not connected to reparations of any type.

Reparations for the horrors of slavery put upon a group of people by another, is without a shadow of a doubt the first priority any and all peoples of civilized modern socities should put in place.
Such being accomplished is the first and most important step in the healing and restoration to heath of a whole society and the lives of individual human beings within that society and of course hatreds will arrise from those excluded from such forms of compensation.

Rolf Krogsæther

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 08/03/2008

Foolishness!! Wise man perhaps but a silly statement. Reparations as the first priority of any and all peoples is simply foolishness... the first priority,in my mind, is to end slavery then consider if reparations would truly restore health to the society and the lives of individual human beings. I think not. True reparations in this nation would be to ensure the human rights and civil rights and the Constitutional rights of all Americans, to acknowledge the contributions of the African to the world and the fulfillment of this nation's creed historically and currently, to embrace your black skinned brother as your brother, and to finally say, together, we are free at last free at last, thank God-a-mighty we are all free at last. Then, and only then, would the suffering of generations of Africans not be in vain. To reduce the suffering of slavery by the African people and this entire nation (remember Gettysburg) to mere worthless pieces of green and white (now red and blue) paper is an insult.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 08/03/2008

And to accept that we are marginalized in a capitalist economy which promotes certain benchmarks we can not meet because of being kept back for 300 years. All the education in the world does not mean success. When the haves are primarily different from you and can not understand why you are you because they never had to deal with what you have...makes it hard to be the next generation of those determining policy in a capitalist system.

Wealth speaks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 08/03/2008
- Norge I'm a Fan of Norge 22 fans permalink

If all can be convinced of not excepting money as you are, it certainly will make the government happy. They could then save much money it can use in other wars.

Rolf Krogsæther

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 08/04/2008

I do not believe a price should ever be put on a person's life. A Congressional apology should be considered more important. That apology will be part of the written history of our Country. I do not think that reparations should be paid to distant relatives.

Having said that, I do not believe that Senator Obama is a racist. However, I do believe that he is cleverly manipulating all races to gain votes. I am an Independent and it is hard to trust a person who is being so sly and manipulative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 08/03/2008
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I think reparations is a non-starter, there is not a snowballs chance in hell of any of us collecting a dime therefore it is a waste of time and energy. The descendants of Europeans who came here after the civil war rightly say their ancestors did not own anybody. But they sure as hell benefited from the coin of the realm, white skin. So these descendants feel they do not owe Black people a dime and until 1965 were quite content to let those "horrible Southerners" take the blame for ALL racism when in fact they were enjoying the benefits of segregation/white skin all along, it just was not enshrined. Therefore all of you and that includes those people in congress who talk of "reparations"are WASTING your time, it is NOT going to happen, i know some rednecks that would rather cut their own throats and of course yours/mine than give a Jefferson nickel, Lincoln penny to that cause, give it up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 AM on 08/03/2008

This is not NEWS! This is no more than what "O" has said in the past. This is no more than the MSM trying to turn AA's against "O". We know what it is, we can see, and we understand how things works. Speaking for myself, I will not let it happen!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 AM on 08/03/2008
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