Obama Opposes Slavery Reparations

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CHRISTOPHER WILLS | August 2, 2008 03:01 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. speaks, Friday, Aug. 1, 2008, during a town hall meeting in St. Petersburg, Fla. (AP Photo/Mike Carlson)

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past _ and I'll repeat again _ that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Some two dozen members of Congress are co-sponsors of legislation to create a commission that would study reparations _ that is, payments and programs to make up for the damage done by slavery.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People supports the legislation, too. Cities around the country, including Obama's home of Chicago, have endorsed the idea, and so has a major union, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

Obama has worked to be seen as someone who will bring people together, not divide them into various interest groups with checklists of demands. Supporting reparations could undermine that image and make him appear to be pandering to black voters.

"Let's not be naive. Sen. Obama is running for president of the United States, and so he is in a constant battle to save his political life," said Kibibi Tyehimba, co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. "In light of the demographics of this country, I don't think it's realistic to expect him to do anything other than what he's done."

But this is not a position Obama adopted just for the presidential campaign. He voiced the same concerns about reparations during his successful run for the Senate in 2004.

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There's enough flexibility in the term "reparations" that Obama can oppose them and still have plenty of common ground with supporters.

The NAACP says reparations could take the form of government programs to help struggling people of all races. Efforts to improve schools in the inner city could also aid students in the mountains of West Virginia, said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau.

"The solution could be broad and sweeping," Shelton said.

The National Urban League _ a group Obama addressed Saturday without mentioning the issue in his speech _ avoids the word "reparations" as too vague and highly charged. But the group advocates government action to close the gaps between white America and black America.

Urban League President Marc Morial said he expects his members to press Obama on how he intends to close those gaps and what action he would take in the first 100 days of his presidency.

"What steps should we take as a nation to alleviate the effects of racial exclusion and racial discrimination?" Morial asked.

The House voted this week to apologize for slavery. The resolution, which was approved on a voice vote, does not mention reparations, but past opponents have argued that an apology would increase pressure for concrete action.

Obama says an apology would be appropriate but not particularly helpful in improving the lives of black Americans. Reparations could also be a distraction, he said.

In a 2004 questionnaire, he told the NAACP, "I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say, 'We've paid our debt,' and to avoid the much harder work."

Taking questions Sunday at a conference of minority journalists, Obama said he would be willing to talk to American Indian leaders about an apology for the nation's treatment of their people.

Pressed for his position on apologizing to blacks or offering reparations, Obama said he was more interested in taking action to help people struggling to get by. Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would stand to benefit from reparations.

"If we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they're disproportionately uninsured," Obama said. "If we've got an agenda that says every child in America should get _ should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it's oftentimes our children who can't afford to go to college."

One reparations advocate, Vernellia Randall, a law professor at the University of Dayton, bluntly responded: "I think he's dead wrong."

She said aid to the poor in general won't close the gaps _ poor blacks would still trail poor whites, and middle-class blacks would still lag behind middle-class whites. Instead, assistance must be aimed directly at the people facing the after-effects of slavery and Jim Crow laws, she said.

"People say he can't run and get elected if he says those kinds of things," Randall said. "I'm like, well does that mean we're really not ready for a black president?"

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders. The man wit...
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders. The man wit...
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- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 156 fans permalink

Good. The idea of more reparations after everyone who was ever a slave has long since died, is absurd. It is time to move on to real issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 AM on 08/03/2008
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"Simply handing out checks" may not be THE answer, but it was good enough when checks were simply being handed out to White slave-owners -- so it's a good enough answer now. And as for not being able to determine exactly which people are entitled to the money that was stolen from them -- I suppose the sensible and honorable American people should've thought that through when they decided skin color alone marked a person as someone who could be legally used, abused. Nobody bothered to sort it out then -- why should we try now?

Start simply giving the money back in the same heated frenzy it was taken. No, it's not a total solution, but it is simple. It may actually do some good. Who knows? Of course, in the end -- all the money in the world won't wipe away the evil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 AM on 08/03/2008
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 9 fans permalink
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The past is the past...

now carry on!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 AM on 08/03/2008
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 40 fans permalink

Those who ignor the past are doomed to repeat it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 08/03/2008

The past is actually more like a mirror. You cannot see the flaws in your own face until you look at the mirror.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 08/03/2008
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As an African American i agree that just simply handing out checks isn't the answer and only brings support in the very short run. Like the rebate checks everyone just got from the government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 AM on 08/03/2008
- Twentylaws I'm a Fan of Twentylaws 6 fans permalink
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Reparations by any other name is...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 AM on 08/03/2008
- sherbug I'm a Fan of sherbug 61 fans permalink

If reparations came in the form of a federal tax holiday for 20 years would you object? That would mean your paycheck would reflect what you actually earned and the government would not take a cut. A federal tax holiday coupled with free college education for blacks for the next 15 years would produce more professionals and put more capital into the pockets of blacks.

With more capital in your pocket, maybe that would afford you the opportunity to start your own business and be able to compete in a global capitalist market. If your children were able to go to top colleges for free that would afford them the opportunities that perhaps you never had or could never provide yourself.

Think about it, something is owed to you as a descendant of slaves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 08/03/2008

Just more red herrings attempting to keep Obama on race in hopes that he will be negatively affected. Mac and his media have shown their true colors and the hand they will play. Hopefully their game will not work this time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 08/03/2008
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 40 fans permalink

America has always struggled to be the "shining city upon the hill" for all nations to look up to. The light has taken a sinister cast in particular instances. Slavery was not quite the horror of Jim Crow pionage since the slaves were a responsibility to their owners while those enslaved as "felons" were freely replaceable. Our treatment of the Indians was more lethal. And all of this is consistant with human behavior all around the world, just our little part of it.

When we economize on schools and welfare, then imprison people at a cost of $30-40 000 for each per year, we lose much more because we lose their contribution and grind on the quality of the citizen. Reparations is a lost cause but decent government and respect for all is forward looking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 08/03/2008
- Twentylaws I'm a Fan of Twentylaws 6 fans permalink
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I'm curious how come reparations to Japanese-Americans, Jews or American Indians is not a lost cause?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 AM on 08/03/2008
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Billw8017,
I agree with your conclusion, but your analysis of slavery is sorely lacking. It is estimated that 100 million died just on the trip over. Then there was the mental abuse of being treated below human. Then there was the rape and exploitation. This country and much of the fortunes of whites today was founded or stolen rather from the sweat of slaves. The civil rights act did not happen until the sixties. You know very little so don't pretend like you do. It is insulting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 08/03/2008

But Blut though I agree Bill understated slavery, can you not understand that his picture of improvign society was also very good? We can not just paint everyone who does not have a clear understanding as insulting. No one knows everything and to excpet them to is to foster conflict and not discourse. Illuminate the people who do not know. Do not crush them with the pain of your knowledge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 08/03/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 267 fans permalink
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It's always the same. First the demand for an apology. Then after that demand is satisfied the demand for money.

NO. O is right in all that he says about this matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 08/03/2008
- wdw101 I'm a Fan of wdw101 20 fans permalink

an apology for a problem over one hundred years ago........wow

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 08/03/2008
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 40 fans permalink

Slavery didn't end a hundred years ago. The Jim Crow laws arrested African Americans for such things as being too boisterous in the presence of White women and entered them into a new lifelong slavery in mines and in prison labor. The Roosevelt administration finally began to act against such slavery in a series of court cases beginning in the 1940s. Nixon's "law and order" slogan returns us to those glorious days of yesteryear when, as Reagan so well put it, we didn't know there was a bias. Even today, African Americans are prosecuted more vigorously than whites and make a disproportionate share of prisoners.
So, what is my solution: Try a reality based attitude. Some African Americans -- just as some white Americans -- are outstanding and capable human beings. It doesn't do to think of our dogs as pureblood champions and our gardeners as mongrels.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 08/03/2008
- djelimon I'm a Fan of djelimon 2 fans permalink

Never too late for that. You can't learn from history if you refuse to acknowledge it happened. Too many politicians like Cheney refuse to believe slavery and jim crowe had any repercussions on society which is patently false.

Don't believe me? Look at the economic lot of blacks living in countries that never had slavery or Jim Crowe. Yes, they still experience discrimination, and many are descendents of slaves from other places who immigrated there, but they still do better than their American counterparts in terms of incarceration, education and jobs.

Ever notice that states where Jim Crowe was enforced are now the states with the most racial profiling, are the states most likely to sentence blacks (but not whites) to the DP if it's an option, the states most likely to apply the 3 strikes rule to blacks (not whites).

Obama is right though - the ugly truth is the architects of Jim Crowe and those who agree with them are still in power, many in government, and until this ideology is purged from the political landscape, root and branch, and until the US treats ALL of its citizens in a truly equal manner, until the real problem of opportunistic and educational inequality are addressed, any compensation package would nly be a band-aide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 08/03/2008

That may or may not be true. That should be dealt with after the apology. Whether or not money is owed or demanded is questionable. Whether are not the apology is owed is not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 08/03/2008
- Ides I'm a Fan of Ides 21 fans permalink

Obama opposes political suicide? Imagine that. I'd be happy with 40 acres and a mule, and in this housing market it wouldn't be that hard to part with. I could flip that in a second for a tidy sum and put myself through school.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 08/03/2008
- Ajegunle I'm a Fan of Ajegunle 25 fans permalink

The media is bringing this up in order to cause Obama to slip so they can paint him as "The Black Candidate".
Listen to the questions that he is asked daily, most are PURE TRAPS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 08/03/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 267 fans permalink
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Yes, I agree, pure traps. But there will still be many black groups that will expect O to give them all they want and he is right to set them straight now, before he is elected. Because that kind of expectation of favoritism is no different, really, than what lobbyists do. In principle it's the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 08/03/2008
- Twentylaws I'm a Fan of Twentylaws 6 fans permalink
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Favoritism?? Are you kidding me? Blacks were promised 40 Acres and a Mule! Never happened!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 AM on 08/03/2008

Kind of reminds me of another man about 2000 years ago, I believe they called him the son of God, my brother. Let them try and trap him. The more they do the stronger he gets. By the way if Jesus was the son of God and he said... Our father who art in heaven... then would that not make us brothers? If we are brothers then that means the God is my father too. Which also means that I too am the son of God. And so are you. That gives greater meaning to "you shall do greater works than I"
Begotten means a piece of, same, alike, mono gene.... that would be a clone. When you see me you see the father. Interesting chain of thoughts a bit of subject but you opened the door, I simply walked in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 08/03/2008

Regarding the Civil War, from Lincoln's Second Inaugural: "Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 08/03/2008
- GrainOSand I'm a Fan of GrainOSand 269 fans permalink
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Lincoln was scratching the surface of the issue and let us hope that the writing on the wall does not find America wanting with no one to read the text.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 AM on 08/04/2008

Any talk of the totally asinine, purely greed-driven idea of "reparations" must include indentured servants. (Maybe draftees, too.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 08/03/2008

Oh what a tangled web we weave....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 08/03/2008
- sherbug I'm a Fan of sherbug 61 fans permalink

Ah, but your ancestors did not think it greedy when they never shared a drop of profit with those who actually worked the land. Now, its greedy for the descendants of those people to want to be paid back.

Is it greedy of the Native Americans to want reparations, which, by the way they get in Federal subsidies. They also got a tax holiday on their gaming casinos. Greedy or just fair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 08/03/2008

Doh! There goes the base!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 08/03/2008
- metalpipe I'm a Fan of metalpipe 11 fans permalink
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Maybe, but if the base can not open their eyes to the truth, then maybe the base you refer to needs a little more time to think about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 08/03/2008
- jayelo I'm a Fan of jayelo 5 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 08/03/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

It's a shame, he basically stole the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 08/03/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

You're referring to the FL and MI votes? The elections that Hillary pledged would not be counted back in September 2007?

You do realize, don't you, that if HIllary got everything she demanded from the DNC rules committee Obama would still have been 100 delegates ahead?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 08/03/2008
- rzan I'm a Fan of rzan 6 fans permalink

No, Hillary lost the nomination by running a terrible campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 08/03/2008
- DEl19713 I'm a Fan of DEl19713 4 fans permalink
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I suppose you still think he called Canada and said dont believe what I say about the free trade agreement ? Wasnt that Hillary who blamed him but it was actually her. If you are not outraged you are not paying attention. A typical Carl Rove Tactic

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 08/03/2008

Stole?? Interesting choice of words. To take what is not yours. Are to claim that Ms. Clinton "owned" the nomination. It was not stolen my friend, he won it. She lost the election. Get over it and move on. To hold on to a lost cause belittles you and the process. Let's get together now and work toward freedom. This is not a question of what you want or think but what the people want. It was a fair fight. She is not dead is she, she can run again can't she? Why not study why she lost and make adjustments for the next race in 4 or 8 years. Life is long. She could well be the president at some other date it depends on her no one else. May the best person win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 08/03/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 229 fans permalink
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If there is even one kernel of truth regarding intimidation of any delegate or voter, it should be investigated. Voter reform--make it an issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 08/03/2008
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People need to get over the "race card." There's a black guy running for President. The dude's allowed to bring it up. It's kind of historic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 08/03/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

It lets the other side talk about everything except the major issues facing America, though. While they're arguing about race, they're not talking about the war, the economy, health care, the sorry state of education and the media, the crumbling infrastructure...

Race is not a political issue. It is cultural and social. Important nonetheless, and it will be addressed. Just not as a campaign issue, please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 08/03/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 229 fans permalink
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Progress lies not in enhancing what is, but in advancing toward what will be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 08/03/2008

That was profound...profoundly meaningless. What do you want to do, start over at the stone age level and do everything over? The way to the future is through the past and the present.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 08/03/2008
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