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CHRISTOPHER WILLS | August 2, 2008 03:01 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. speaks, Friday, Aug. 1, 2008, during a town hall meeting in St. Petersburg, Fla. (AP Photo/Mike Carlson)

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past _ and I'll repeat again _ that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Some two dozen members of Congress are co-sponsors of legislation to create a commission that would study reparations _ that is, payments and programs to make up for the damage done by slavery.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People supports the legislation, too. Cities around the country, including Obama's home of Chicago, have endorsed the idea, and so has a major union, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

Obama has worked to be seen as someone who will bring people together, not divide them into various interest groups with checklists of demands. Supporting reparations could undermine that image and make him appear to be pandering to black voters.

"Let's not be naive. Sen. Obama is running for president of the United States, and so he is in a constant battle to save his political life," said Kibibi Tyehimba, co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. "In light of the demographics of this country, I don't think it's realistic to expect him to do anything other than what he's done."

But this is not a position Obama adopted just for the presidential campaign. He voiced the same concerns about reparations during his successful run for the Senate in 2004.

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There's enough flexibility in the term "reparations" that Obama can oppose them and still have plenty of common ground with supporters.

The NAACP says reparations could take the form of government programs to help struggling people of all races. Efforts to improve schools in the inner city could also aid students in the mountains of West Virginia, said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau.

"The solution could be broad and sweeping," Shelton said.

The National Urban League _ a group Obama addressed Saturday without mentioning the issue in his speech _ avoids the word "reparations" as too vague and highly charged. But the group advocates government action to close the gaps between white America and black America.

Urban League President Marc Morial said he expects his members to press Obama on how he intends to close those gaps and what action he would take in the first 100 days of his presidency.

"What steps should we take as a nation to alleviate the effects of racial exclusion and racial discrimination?" Morial asked.

The House voted this week to apologize for slavery. The resolution, which was approved on a voice vote, does not mention reparations, but past opponents have argued that an apology would increase pressure for concrete action.

Obama says an apology would be appropriate but not particularly helpful in improving the lives of black Americans. Reparations could also be a distraction, he said.

In a 2004 questionnaire, he told the NAACP, "I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say, 'We've paid our debt,' and to avoid the much harder work."

Taking questions Sunday at a conference of minority journalists, Obama said he would be willing to talk to American Indian leaders about an apology for the nation's treatment of their people.

Pressed for his position on apologizing to blacks or offering reparations, Obama said he was more interested in taking action to help people struggling to get by. Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would stand to benefit from reparations.

"If we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they're disproportionately uninsured," Obama said. "If we've got an agenda that says every child in America should get _ should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it's oftentimes our children who can't afford to go to college."

One reparations advocate, Vernellia Randall, a law professor at the University of Dayton, bluntly responded: "I think he's dead wrong."

She said aid to the poor in general won't close the gaps _ poor blacks would still trail poor whites, and middle-class blacks would still lag behind middle-class whites. Instead, assistance must be aimed directly at the people facing the after-effects of slavery and Jim Crow laws, she said.

"People say he can't run and get elected if he says those kinds of things," Randall said. "I'm like, well does that mean we're really not ready for a black president?"

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders. The man wit...
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders. The man wit...
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Egobama would never ever endorse reparations and still expect to be elected. It would not happen and he knows it.
Now, knowing his background, his influences (one of which I mentioned below), and his tiptoeing around topics like this, you can easily see him coming up with something under a different name or reversing himself completely ... if he manages to be elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 08/02/2008
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Wedge tro//

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 08/02/2008
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He's also going to enslave all the whites!

please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 08/02/2008
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Obama was against reparations BEFORE he announced his candidacy for president, and therefore before being elected to the presidency was even a consideration. He has been consistent on this issue for years.

Maybe if you tried to know all of his background, and not just the parts that you can twist to fit your own narrative, you would have known this as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 08/03/2008

The welfare practices of the last 40 some years have done more to hurt the African Americans than slavery ever did. The social system that rewarded women not to get married has a direct correlation to fatherless shattered family structure that now exists in our poorer communities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 08/02/2008
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So true, very poignant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 08/02/2008
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Bullseye Sharon all this talk about repar'ations to AA's is just a wed'ge issue just like wel'fare it destroyed the very fabric of family life in the AA community and now these piece’s of shiat GOP is adding another part to bring ra’ce into this elec’tion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 08/02/2008
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True, the welfare system has been a disaster. But, IMO in no way has it been worse for AA's than slavery. Come on. During slavery babies were torn from a mother's arms. Men watched their women raped, but could do nothing. Slaves were hanged. I could go on and on. But no Sharon, welfare has not done more harm. It has added to and intensified the harm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 08/02/2008
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You are of course spot on

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 08/02/2008
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That's exactly right - I don't think this will alienate AA's - I think they understand that he trusts everyone to live up to his/her best potential - all he wants to ensure is that the climate & conditions are right to make that happen -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 08/02/2008
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Don't leave out the unfair drug laws that have taken so many men away from their homes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 08/03/2008

Hey, if they want to go ahead and sell crack instead of cocaine, I guess that's the fault of the law, correct?

Give me a break with the whole argument about harsher punishments for the "same" type of drug. There are good reasons for those rules.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 08/03/2008

I'm with you Obama, equality is the better choice.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 08/02/2008
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That's right, sherylworld, that's the best repayment anyone could offer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 08/02/2008
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But equality is how it should have been all along? Whites shouldn't get a gold star, a get out of jail free pass on this just for practicing what they affirmed they would do when they formed this country, initially to every other races' exclusion?

I say pay out on the economic principle of equity that every American should have but does not have equal opportunity to. It's a principle of economic equity. It makes no difference to the African Americans then, as to who is elected, if the long sought after advances to remedy the past wrong have been shot down by Obama?

Equality shouldn't be a choice, it should be the way it is. False pride is not going to get equal treatment at the bank or anyplace else, let's look at this subprime mess if we need proof.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 08/02/2008
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Good.
There's something wrong with having non slave owning taxpayers pay restitution to people that were never slaves.
Reparations is an idea that is about 140 years too late.
Let's say that reparations were made the law. Blacks make up about 12 1/2% of the US. Many are mixed race or came from outside of the US after slavery was abolished. What formula would be used to determine how much reparation money would be given to this group vs. those that can trace their ancestry back to the days of slavery?
How much money would be awarded? While some would hope for an amount equealing a lottery winning I suspect it would be much much lower. What would be the correct amount to make everyone happy?
What would reparations do to black political power? As a white person scrimping and saving to pay for my daughter's braces and college fund I would have a bit of anger at seeing my tax dollars used for reparations. As I have never owned slaves and there are no living former slaves in the US I don't feel this is unreasonable. I suspect many whites, libs and conservatives, would feel the same way and there would be a backlash against black politicians. Except at the local level, these politicians are largely elected by white people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 08/02/2008
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I am assuming you're white, why is it you assume only white people pay taxes? That certainly seems to be the tone of your comment. Had this government been truly equitable toward all of this nations citizens, this matter would have been justly settled a century ago. That is not the case.

But just to point how slow government works. Native Americans were here in this country when Europeans arrived. Women recieved the right to vote--generally, 1919-1920? Thereabouts?

Native Americans were not made citizens of the United States until 1924!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 08/02/2008
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I saw nothing in his post suggesting that only whites pay taxes. Obviously Americans of all races pay taxes, however any sort of "reparations" would only go to decedents of former slaves, else it would not be reparations.

As others have pointed out, the time for reparations for slavery have long past, the last former legally held slave in the USA died in the 20th century, as did the last legal slave owner. I see no reason why this should be done at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 08/02/2008
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You seem to me to be a reasonable person and I know that what you say is true “whi’tes” and none “whites” of all polit’ical party’s would be angry and it is why I have pointed this fact out in an earlier post. This is fod’der to feed a we’dge issue into this election.

This is not something we should even explorer 140 years later it’s just the issue that Rethuglicans can bring to the table and say “See they (AA’s) and Bar’ack want your hard earned tax dollars”. It’s BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 08/02/2008
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"Reparations is an idea that is about 140 years too late."

I wonder if anyone thought about this when the Native Americans received reparations after the more than 200 years after America savaged their communities.

The majority of African Americans are mixed, and the majority of the mixing began with slavery.

Finally, African Americans scrimp, save, pay for their children's braces and college tuitions, pay taxes, and even vote, both at the local and national levels. Our tax dollars are the same as your tax dollars. The difference is that you get more bang for your buck than we ever have!

Yet, I agree with Senator Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 08/03/2008
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I am speaking for myself of course as an American of Afri’can decent but I think it is universal to all of us. Demo’crats can’t you see that this is we’dge issue which the Rethuglicans have played on us for decades and they are laughing at us!

Why bring up repar’ations now during an ele’ction year with the first viable Afr’ican American running for President of the US.

We are so gulli’ble to fall into this tr’ap people! It’s what they want the Rethuglicans can pay us AA’s billions of dollars and it wont mean a dam’n thing in the end and I guarantee to you people outside of the AA community will be pissed an angry.

These bas’tards will stop at nothing to keep power in the WH and keep Americans from uniting to “Form a More Perfect Union”.

Let’s not get off the path for this we’dge issue the only thing this does is to “Divi’ded and Conq’uer” this is the art of w’ar 101.

Stay focused people don’t mist’akenly play along with the slime of the Rethuglicans they don’t care about no ones co’lor the only co’lor they want to see is green and that’s the bottom line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 08/02/2008
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I'm not falling for the hype. Obama is right on this issue, and he has been for at least a decade. This is not a new position for him. I know where he's coming from and I agree with him and support his position on this issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 08/02/2008

It's because radicals can't help themselves. I remember when Gore was running and late in his campaign he was talking about hate crimes. Like talking about hate crimes will get him additional votes. Everybody knows that whites attack blacks in far fewer numbers than blacks attack whites. At least that is what the bureau of vital statistics say. It's just when we do it it is racial. When you guys do it it's a random act. He lost precious votes on a measure that shouldn't concern blacks. But because 20 years ago 2 white men out of millions drag a black guy down a street it suddenly becomes an issue. Then democrats react and scare more whites into the GOP camp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 08/02/2008
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I think most people (other than tr0//s) have discussed this without it becoming a wedge issue. Maybe it's just me, but I don't have a problem discussing this nor does it make me angry or have any negative feelings. I guess maybe some people are just too emotional to discuss some issues. Anyway I have enjoyed the conversation and I have learned a thing or two. Thanks for the information and the knowledge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 08/02/2008
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Quite happy about this. I'm so glad he's addressing so many things now opposed to after he's elected.....if he's elected. Subjects will still be there, but at least America will know where he stands. I'm so pleased with him even when I'm not lol.

Obama 08'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 08/02/2008
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Why the Africans from Africa who came in USA as Refugee or whatever are sooo much Differ then the African Americans.? in terms of :

Jobs
Education
Family Value and life they live in.

Remember these People still have hevy accents and most them been in USA less then 20yrs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 08/02/2008
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The Africans coming here today have not been conditioned by years of public schools with liberal teachers telling them how screwed up their country is. It's all about attitude and applying yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 08/02/2008
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You should be ashamed of yourself. But you're not. Where there is no shame there is no hope. You have just denigrated the teaching profession. You are truly a low-life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 08/02/2008
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Four hundred years and an ocean separate them. I know African Americans have much to work on, and I know there are historical reasons that the majority would like to ignore. I don't see a solution in the near future, but maybe one day the brothers will be on the same page again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 08/02/2008
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What kind of stereotyped question is that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 08/02/2008

Adam, give it some time. The liberals will start the brainwashing once their kids get into our public schools. That's why I will be collecting signatures to get home schooling instituted as an alternative to parents who can then collect tax incentives. They will tell them that you must blame whites if you don't make a as good a grade as a white person. Don't give the white person credit for studying while they are socializing. Remember if a black athlete gets a position it's because he won it on performance. If a white guy gets a position over a black guy there must be something wrong. That is their mindset. No credit from that crew. Just the tired old blame game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 08/02/2008
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Tro//ology101

Use ra'ce as a wedge issue “Divi’ded and Conq’uer” this is the art of w’ar 101.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 08/02/2008
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purethoughts, you have a very warped sense of reality, you must be over 50yrs old, because your mindset is so f*cking antiquated, it's mind boggling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 08/02/2008

What? I have a Master's in Education, and in the fall, I will be starting my Doctorate. I do not hate nor do I blame White people for anything. Actually, I could less. And I bet the same goes for Obama, his wife, and many other educated Black folks.

By the way, I drink tea as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 08/02/2008
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As a black male I am offended by this idea of reparations... I have to agree with Obama that having a more equal playing field when it comes to education is a much better than getting a $5K check.

Purethoughts
I am black male that has a bachelors & MBA degree, I hold a CPA & CFP certification and i am VP of my company. I have never once blamed, accused or insinuated that a white person did better than me based on anything more than there skills. Yet when someone such as my self get a position over a white person it has to be because of affirmative action. Why is it that i couldn't have gotten position because of my skills?

I do agree that there is a segment of the AA community that still resort to that form of ideology. But i was raised to believe that i can accomplish anything i want despite the color of my skin, granted will hard but nothing worth having comes easy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 08/03/2008
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"... once THEIR kids get into OUR public schools."

So let me get this straight: Public schools belong to white people? Or is it just good public schools that belong to white people?

Your perception of "their kids" and "our public schools" reflects the racist mindset that is not only destroying our nation, but is destroying the very soul of humanity. No one ever told me to blame white people if I didn't get good grades or a good job, nor is this something I ever taught to my own black child, and I doubt if most black Americans think this way. You have simply projected the sickness and ugliness in your own heart onto others that you obviously know nothing about. For thirty-four years, I taught both black and white children, seated in the same classroom, yet I never thought of them as "their kids" and "our kids." They were all our children, regardless of the colors of their skin, and they achieved and were graded on their own merit. Your obsession with blacks blaming whites says more about your own guilt and shame and hatred for others different from yourself than it does about reality, but reality is something that most racists like yourself do not have a grip on. Your username should read pure hatred, because your thoughts are far from pure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 08/03/2008
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My ancestors were Irish slaves of wealthy land owners. I don't feel that I'm owed one thin dime and I hope anyone whose people suffered in a like manner do either. Unless you actually went through it, you know nothing of it. Move ahead!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 08/02/2008
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All of us have ancestors who were held in bondage by someone. The Queen of England has ancestors who were held as slaves. The liberals are actually damaging AA's by convincing them that they are unique in Mankind regarding slavery. The deal here is to keep it alive and keep making the demands. The Congress just apologized, again, the other day. I noticed no one accepted the apology.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 08/02/2008
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It was a law in this country until the 1860s and took a specific constitutional Amendment to outlaw, because white Americans did not have the moral will to end the atrocity on their own, or even basic decency--in 1860. I think thats the difference here. The African Americans also had to fight a civil rights campaign just to get the equality clause of the constitution codified as law. This didn't happen in England, it happened here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 08/02/2008
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Do the descendants of those wealth land owners own a big historic and pricey castle in the Old Country? Because if they do, find yourself a lawyer, they love deep pockets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 08/02/2008
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If your ancestors escaped, they were just white people. If blacks escaped, they were SOMEBODY'S slave and were returned. Indentured servants were "slaves" for a set period of time and set free. They kept their religions and traditions and their children. They could buy their freedom.

We know enough about both to know that they really were not comparable forms of "slavery".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 08/02/2008

Dead wrong. Totally. A slave was a slave period. They were owned by somebody no matter the ethnicity of the slave. You confuse indentured and slave. A total mis-statements of facts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 08/03/2008

I think its insulting to attempt equivalence between the Irish indentured and slaves taken from Africa.

I expected more from Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 08/02/2008
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I agree with Obama 100%. I didn't have any thing to do with slavery. Why should I have to pay for something I was no part of. Get over it and start living your life in the now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 08/02/2008
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Maybe you should reevaluate your expectations of others vs. yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 08/02/2008
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Slavery can be made a lot worse.

If anything African slaves that made it to what became the USA had it much easier than those that were mostly worked to death on sugar plantations in Cuba, or Haiti, Jamaica, or Brazil. Only about 5% of African slaves who made the middle passage made it to the British colonies that became the USA, and if you look at US census records you will see their population grew by births about as fast as that of whites.

The reverse is true in those other places till slave trading was outlawed. About 350 odd years of working imported African people to death in sugar plantations to make rich Europeans richer.

I do see a huge difference between those who made it to the USA and those worked to death on sugar plantations, and while the slavery the Irish man spoke of was likely lighter than that of blacks in the USA, it was more like that of blacks in the USA, it is much less of a difference than between blacks in the USA and say slavery in say Haiti till the rebellion, or Jamaica, , , or any of many other places.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 08/02/2008

You are wrong. Irish were in fact slaves, not just indentured. A slave was a slave no matter their ethnicity. And the Africans were the ones who sold those slaves to others. Any comments on the seller?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 08/03/2008
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What is interesting is that the Cape Verdeans came here too as free blacks, mostly in the early 1800s but some earlier and, while never slaves, they have been subjected to racism. They would not be in line for reparations. I agree with moving forward. But there should be investment in the ghettos (black or not) to raise the poverty level and give people a chance. Frankly I don't think anyone is holding their breath about that happening and that is why reparations I think are seen as a back door way of doing that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 08/02/2008
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The hecklers were right.

He just tossed AA under the bus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 08/02/2008

I don't believe so. I think he is asking them to step up and quit whining.

Geez! My relatives were controlled beaten down and abused by the Germans and the Russians. My grandfather showed up with the clothes on his back from the old country and didn't speak a word of English.

Isn't it just time to move on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 08/02/2008
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Wasn't your grandfather accepted as "white" eventually? That doesn't happen for blacks, ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 08/02/2008
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1) referring to Jews (if you are) do receive a form a reparations
2) The holocaust lasted no where near 200 years
3) Jews were not BRED on farms nor forced to have their names, language removed from them.

Im black but not bitter. Ive never suffered a day in my life like that, and neither do I believe in reparations. But I get upset get when people try to compare the the two. Especially when people casually ask you to move on when the effects of it are quite unbelievably prevalent, even in a progressive city like NY

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 08/02/2008
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I've really gotten to like you Desert, and I generally respect your posts, but ... your grandfather, for all of his courage and determination and accomplishments after suffering at the hands of the Germans and Russians, was still white. Moving on was a lot easier for him and for his descendents than it could ever have been for a black man in America, whether in 1865, 1965 or 2008. Some have been able to achieve in spite of the barriers that have held many others back, and many of the barriers have been removed. But the racism that permeates our society continues to impact our lives in ways that those who do not live as blacks in America cannot always understand.

Perhaps when racism moves on, we can move on, and I agree that reparations does not address the core problem, which is now and has always been racism itself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 08/03/2008
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You again - oh, okay you're right.
There.
Now please lie under that bus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 08/02/2008
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I rest my case!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 08/02/2008
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The (McCain plant?) hecklers weren't right (and what are THEY doing to help AAs?)

"Reparations" is not exactly the most important issue in the African American community. How about talking about how to get good jobs and health care (and decent benefits for soldiers) rather than worrying about whose great great great great great great great relative was a slave and how much (small amount of) money that might be worth (and divisiveness)?

We will see more of this "heckling" from the MSM as they choose this (non) issue to rehash all week in the hope of diminishing Obama.

So old. So predictable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 08/02/2008
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You've been watching too much t.v. Your using their talking point's now. What, you work for Fox "Noise?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 08/02/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 584 fans permalink
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I wish you could find a bus that you could crawl under.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 AM on 08/03/2008
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0bama had to make this statement because of all the right wing smears and viral e-mails that lie about 0bama's steadfast position that reparations are not the solution.

"In a 2004 questionnaire, he told the NAACP, ''I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say, 'We've paid our debt,' and to avoid the much harder work.''"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 08/02/2008
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I thought O made the comment because that's how he feels about the issue. Spending money on education for the disadvantaged is a good idea and helping people find work is also a good idea.

"I have said in the past _ and I'll repeat again _ that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed,"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 08/02/2008

I'm an AA and I totally agree with Sen. O on this. It would probably cost more money to institute this than the amount any AA's would even receive. Thanks but no thanks, keep my $20 and put it into an inner city school system. I still believe that parts of affirmative action need to remain in place because let's face it we've come a very long way but still equal opportunity eludes many.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 08/02/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

"keep my $20 and put it into an inner city school system"

Yeah, since throwing money at schools has worked so well in the past. If there are no parents enforcing and promoting educaiton at home, it doesn't matter if the students are using a solid gold desk with the best text books ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 08/02/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 142 fans permalink
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Have you not heard O urge parents to (as you put it) "enforcing and promoting education at home", put away the video games & spend more family time reading etc. ? That's his whole point - to build character & ability, starting at home & then to strengthen the infrastructure : schools, inner cities .....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 08/02/2008
- Sabreen60 I'm a Fan of Sabreen60 70 fans permalink
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I don't know where you live, but where I live money is not being thrown at schools. I have friends who teach and they tell me by March supplies are running low and some supplies have run out. They have to take money out of their pockets and buy supplies for their classes.

The high school I attended (a long ago) is in disrepair. The last high school that was built in Washington DC was in the 60's. You need a reality check.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 08/02/2008

LOL @ solid gold desk

i agree with you to some extent....but if more money is invested at school (esp. in after school programs), there will be some positive results...i know this for a fact...i've seen what keeping kids busy can do to their seriousness about education

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 08/03/2008
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How can you say that???!!!!

Affirmative action---the remedy for past wrongs of what was already a constitutional guarantee--"all men are created equal.." is not the same as a reparation.

The reparation is a separate issue from Affirmative Action and there's too many people confusing the two. Slavery was a government sanctioned condition inflicted on a whole society. Wealth was generated off the enslaved, not only by government, but corporations and down to the plantation owner. That is the basis of the reparation. The wealth of not only the south, but slaves cleared the forest that became NYC, I saw in one documentary on reparations.

Two different things, two different approaches, I'm a big supporter of O, but he's wrong on this!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 08/02/2008
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Ok. But tell us reparations would be paid. Who is entitled?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 08/02/2008
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Let's give the land back the Indians while we are at it. They were eco-friendly and had a much more sophisticated spirituality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 08/02/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

Is there anyone that thinks reparations are a good idea?

I didn't own a slave, my parents or grandparents never did so why would you want to create even more divides in this country by doing such a thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 08/02/2008
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This isn't about what you or anyone personally did. It's about what the government of this country condoned and the effects that it has had.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 08/02/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

And we fought the bloodiest wars in US history to end it . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 08/02/2008

He-ll my grandfather didn't even arrive here until the early 1900's. Why should I have to pay for it when my family escaped the old country from the abuse and poverty led by the Russians and the Germans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 08/02/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

Exactly, I think they most important reparation that we can have is fact that our young people today don't grow up with the views of their great, great, great gandparents. People of all ages and colors idolizing Obama, LeBron, Will Smith, Jordan, Tiger, etc. shows that we have moved out of that ugly phase.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 08/02/2008
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I think the government would have to pay, along with the corporations that benefitted from slavery. Its called joint tortfeasors. The individual taxpayer would not be required to pay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 08/02/2008

it would be a good idea if there was actually enough money to pay for it....quite honestly, there isn't enough money in the world to pay for 400+ years of free labor....factor in emotional distress as a result of the battery, assault, harrassment, and rape that came with it and we're talking even more $$$

my main fear of reparation is that it could be divisive....there still too many ignorant people that feel like slavery has nothing to do with the current state of the black community

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 08/03/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

The bottom line is that the great majority of us are better off because our ancestors came to America, except for maybe some citizens of German descent; in Germany they enjoy a 32 hour work week and generous state benefits. Americans of European descent are marginally better off, however, Americans of African descent are overwhelmingly better off because they were brought here. The Arabs would have enslaved them or their own chiefs would have sold them to someone else. The "native" American argument is more problematic because they will accentuate the spiritual loss, however, they also enjoy access to 50 states, whereas in the old days, they had to stay in their own territory or perhaps get killed or ENSLAVED by a neighboring tribe. So let's all quit complaining, be glad we are here and try to make it a better country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 08/02/2008
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You can't say that Americans of African descent are better off because of being brought here. America wouldn't be half of what it is now if not for the free labor of African slaves who built it from the ground up. If Africans had stayed in Africa without interference from Europeans, there's no way to predict what Africa would have been like to or what America would be like.

And, Africans did enslave fellow Africans, but it wasn't a slavery for life based on race. One of the reasons that Africans sold slaves to Europeans was that their idea of slavery was different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 08/02/2008

Africans sold slaves to anyone who had the money because it was profitable.And they did it for centuries. A very rich history wrtitten by themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 08/02/2008
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You obviously know NOTHING about the Native Americans current situation in this country.

The rest of your post is equally ignorant and deflective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 08/02/2008

You forgot to add he is correct for the most part.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 08/02/2008

You know what..... I was gonna give you a pass..... but hell naw... that's the dumbest $h!t i've heard all yr. DUDE, YOUR PHUCd in the head

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 08/02/2008

Okay, who let the republican in?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 08/02/2008
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You just kinda knocked the breath out of me there genseric13.

Okay....it doesn't matter what Arabs would have done to the Africans, and it doesn't matter what their own chiefs would have done. Our only concern is what we did. We took them, by force, and brought them here. We didn't ask. An equivalent wrong by Arabs or Chiefs doesn't cancel out our own wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right.

And the comment about the Native Americans made it sound like we didn't do a thing to them, but simply made it possible for them to.... have a chance to travel. I could almost hear you humming "See the USA in a Chevrolet".

But I also note that you put Native in quotations and in lower case, in a pitch for improving people's lives by robbing or enslaving them as a natural path to citizenship. That they should be almost grateful to us as they sit on their reservations....and that you yourself lament that as great as the USA is, oh how you long for the good old days in Germany. I don't want to read too mch into that - but did you by any chance have an uncle named Adolph?

I'm a little stunned. And maybe a little queasy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 08/02/2008
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Sometimes the truth can be stunning; we so rarely hear it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 08/02/2008

There is no amount of 'reparation' than can be made for slavery, IMO. As far as I'm concerned it could never be enough because it has not ended, yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 08/02/2008
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It hasn't ended yet?

I don't have any slaves do you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 08/02/2008

No one today has any legal slaves. (And I would not consider myself a voter in favor of reparations) But with the way the free market works under neoconservative rules, many Americans--White, Black, Hispanic, and others, both men and women--are fighting the hand of voluntary servitude. With jobs being outsourced to communist nations and major corporations continuing to downsize, middle-income and lower-income Americans are being forced to work for wages that will not provide a repectable retirement or pave ways to open avenues for a better life for our children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 08/02/2008
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Shouldn't articles about O end with 'this week'/ O opposes off-shore drilling THIS WEEK? O opposes slavery repararations THIS WEEK?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 08/02/2008
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Good point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 08/02/2008
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Like usual you are trying to take political advantage while they is none.

0bama is responding to false allegations from tr0lls like you that sent out in viral e-mails and on right wing blogs that 0bama favored slaver reparations as another way to stir up r acial hatred.

That's why he is clarifying a position he already had.

0bama: "In a 2004 questionnaire, he told the NAACP, ''I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say, 'We've paid our debt,' and to avoid the much harder work.''"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 08/02/2008
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He's clarifying a position he already had. Ok, and why should anyone believe it won't change NEXT WEEK?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 08/02/2008

I probably would agree with you after I read ANY article, hear ANY radio station, or see any political newsprogram that offer an opinion of why Senator McCain would be a great president instead of being force-fed as to why Senator Obama might not. Maybe a better article would be this one: Senator McCain accuses Obama of acting presumptuos during his weekly Presidential Address. How many presidential nominees hold Presidential addresses and not be criticized by the media? Only republican presidential nominees can do something as assuming as that and corporate media don't report it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 08/02/2008
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There will be no repararations to slaves of the media. Sorry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 08/02/2008
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