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CHRISTOPHER WILLS | August 2, 2008 03:01 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. speaks, Friday, Aug. 1, 2008, during a town hall meeting in St. Petersburg, Fla. (AP Photo/Mike Carlson)

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past _ and I'll repeat again _ that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Some two dozen members of Congress are co-sponsors of legislation to create a commission that would study reparations _ that is, payments and programs to make up for the damage done by slavery.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People supports the legislation, too. Cities around the country, including Obama's home of Chicago, have endorsed the idea, and so has a major union, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

Obama has worked to be seen as someone who will bring people together, not divide them into various interest groups with checklists of demands. Supporting reparations could undermine that image and make him appear to be pandering to black voters.

"Let's not be naive. Sen. Obama is running for president of the United States, and so he is in a constant battle to save his political life," said Kibibi Tyehimba, co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. "In light of the demographics of this country, I don't think it's realistic to expect him to do anything other than what he's done."

But this is not a position Obama adopted just for the presidential campaign. He voiced the same concerns about reparations during his successful run for the Senate in 2004.

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There's enough flexibility in the term "reparations" that Obama can oppose them and still have plenty of common ground with supporters.

The NAACP says reparations could take the form of government programs to help struggling people of all races. Efforts to improve schools in the inner city could also aid students in the mountains of West Virginia, said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau.

"The solution could be broad and sweeping," Shelton said.

The National Urban League _ a group Obama addressed Saturday without mentioning the issue in his speech _ avoids the word "reparations" as too vague and highly charged. But the group advocates government action to close the gaps between white America and black America.

Urban League President Marc Morial said he expects his members to press Obama on how he intends to close those gaps and what action he would take in the first 100 days of his presidency.

"What steps should we take as a nation to alleviate the effects of racial exclusion and racial discrimination?" Morial asked.

The House voted this week to apologize for slavery. The resolution, which was approved on a voice vote, does not mention reparations, but past opponents have argued that an apology would increase pressure for concrete action.

Obama says an apology would be appropriate but not particularly helpful in improving the lives of black Americans. Reparations could also be a distraction, he said.

In a 2004 questionnaire, he told the NAACP, "I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say, 'We've paid our debt,' and to avoid the much harder work."

Taking questions Sunday at a conference of minority journalists, Obama said he would be willing to talk to American Indian leaders about an apology for the nation's treatment of their people.

Pressed for his position on apologizing to blacks or offering reparations, Obama said he was more interested in taking action to help people struggling to get by. Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would stand to benefit from reparations.

"If we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they're disproportionately uninsured," Obama said. "If we've got an agenda that says every child in America should get _ should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it's oftentimes our children who can't afford to go to college."

One reparations advocate, Vernellia Randall, a law professor at the University of Dayton, bluntly responded: "I think he's dead wrong."

She said aid to the poor in general won't close the gaps _ poor blacks would still trail poor whites, and middle-class blacks would still lag behind middle-class whites. Instead, assistance must be aimed directly at the people facing the after-effects of slavery and Jim Crow laws, she said.

"People say he can't run and get elected if he says those kinds of things," Randall said. "I'm like, well does that mean we're really not ready for a black president?"

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders. The man wit...
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders. The man wit...
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I'm a white dude but my wife is African American and she has asked me to say that the whole idea of paying reparations now for slavery is just preposterous this many generations after the fact. Sure if African Americans who we the direct victims of slavery where paid reparations she would have been all for it but it makes no sense now. My wife brings up other valid points that many African Americans like herself and 0bama are multiracial. My wife is part white and native American as well as African American so even divvying up reparations is impossible. 0bama is even a more unique example because he is half white and half African so his family lineage was not even been directly damaged by slavery at all.

Speaking for myself there is just no legal precedent for civil rewards for past harm being paid to people not directly harmed by that action. I'm sure as a constitutional scholar 0bama knows any reparations would be unconstitutional.

The history of some African Americans favoring reparations is based on the fact that Japanese Americans who were interned during WWII received reparations as a legal remedy for the property they lost. But again that precedent is quite different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 08/02/2008
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I have the same lineage as your wife does, I am 1/4 Native American. I wasn't around for the broken treaties and have never lived on the reservation that my grandmother was born and raised on, and that my mother lived on during her childhood. However I received a significant dividend payment upon turning 18 years of age, and continue to receive a small payment each year.

What's your point again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 08/02/2008
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Where does you dividend come from?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 08/02/2008
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I did a little research there are many sources for dividends for native tribes based on casino revenue, treaties made when reservations were established, etc...

But there is not grand reparations paid to Native Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 08/02/2008

My people came to America twenty years ago from Danmark. Why should I have to pay higher taxes for your reparations? And possibly to someone who came here twenty years ago from Nigeria. This is what bothers me about Obama's campaign for president. A portion of the African American population does not see a man running for President of the United States who happens to be black, but sees someone who can give them more free stuff if he is elected.
I am having strong second thoughts on who to vote for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 08/02/2008
- colette I'm a Fan of colette 31 fans permalink
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Sorry if anyone brought this up already, it's hard to get through all the hundreds of responses...BUT

do you know that it was the organization Uhuru that challenged and questioned Obama about the reparations? Do you know it is a self-described African People's Socialist Party, which has been around for a long time and has some extreme positions?

They are very committed, and I agree wtih them on some stuff, and on other things I don't. But the media is playing this like it was just a few mainstream young black adults, who represent a lot of other folks instead of a political splinter group doing the protesting.

Has anyone heard the protesters identified as Uhuru members? OnCNN today they were not, which is pretty shoddy reporting.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 08/02/2008

This is the dumbest non-issue I have yet to hear in this election season so far.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 08/02/2008

Not such a dumb idea for the million that hae directly been affected by the institution of slavery. I agree with O. "he who feels it knows it" black people don't want hand outs, We want what every other american needs right about know.... a helping hand!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 08/02/2008
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To me the reparations represent an unpaid debt for building this nation, its not a handout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 08/02/2008
- neesy08 I'm a Fan of neesy08 20 fans permalink
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spoken like a bigoted, ignorant white person! this is most certainly NOT a non issue~ slaverly is this country's original sin. it ruined the lives of million of people. after slavery, lincoln was going to try to rectify the wrong and give the freed slaves reparation. we all know what happened. andrew johnson became president and he was a racist. all the plans lincoln had to assist the former slaves did not occur.

I am african american and i can see why some people think we should receive our "40 acres and a mule." the japanese were compensated for their wrongful treatment during wwii, so why not compensate blakc people? the japanese were only encamped for several years. black people were enslaved for over 200, and received nothing!

on the other hand, how do you decide who gets what? do you divide everything equally?

your post makes you sound, cold and indifferent! how would you feel if this had happened to those of european heritage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 08/02/2008
- Sabreen60 I'm a Fan of Sabreen60 72 fans permalink
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Arrogance! If people on this blog and maybe throughout the country feel the need to discuss an issue, who are you to declare it a non-issue. There are too many issues in this country that have been swept under the rug rather than discussing them in the full light. I for one find this discussion very interesting. Other than the tr0//s, people are making some very salient points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 08/02/2008

Since reparations is based by the balance on the ledger sheet between whites and blacks in America. Let's look at the issue honestly and also factor in the blacks who have made out under the U.S. flag. The black athletes who have made millions of dollars in the U.S. Ask them how much they give to fellow black people. In fact, ask those black millionaires what they would think of donating half their salary to fellow blacks who are picked as the winners by the government. Also ask yourself why whites would still support people who make a colossal blunder in Iraq. You want to know why? We don't want to become 8/10ths of a person either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 08/02/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

We're 2/3 of a person, 8/10 would be a step up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 08/02/2008
- laborgrunt I'm a Fan of laborgrunt 7 fans permalink

Wow your such a simpleton

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 08/02/2008

Well laborgrunt. A personal attack instead of a counter argument. Is that it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 08/02/2008
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This is one of the most ignorant posts I have ever seen.

African American athletes get paid on performance and the money they collect for the owners just like every sport or every entertainer for that matter.

Hockey has 99% white athletes and make average salaries higher than the NFL so are they supposed to give back to poor white people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 08/02/2008
- Sabreen60 I'm a Fan of Sabreen60 72 fans permalink
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Whoa! I'm afraid I must agree with you.

Infrequently the question of reparations will rear up. IMO, black folks are not sitting around waiting for handouts. At least not the black folks I know. Nor do I know any black folks who believe individual white folks owe them a d@mn thing. What I want and black folks I know what is a government who cares about all children. A government which understands the need to invest, heavily in education. A government that knows that we need a super strong middle class in order for this country to go forward. I'm really not looking for favors. I would like to see a system that allows our kids to get a great secondary education and have the ability to afford college. I'm concerned with the present, but I'm also very concerned about the future. When you get my age (I've got more days behind me then I have in front of me) you realize the importance of making decisions that will ensure the kind of world you would like to see left behind you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 08/02/2008
- ofbbg I'm a Fan of ofbbg 2 fans permalink

You NeoComs don't have to panic - he's just kidding!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 08/02/2008
- justmeinAz I'm a Fan of justmeinAz 19 fans permalink
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continued from comment below...

To move forward, we need to collectively drop all this b.s. and live here today, and see those around us, not their dead ancestors. We need to feed the hungry, not the black or the white. We need to educate the illiterate, I don't care what their ancestory. Holding on to these generational grudges is nothing but an anchor that will slow or progress in making this country a place of equal opportunity for everyone. We're not there yet, and we've never been there in the past, but if you put your personal situation aside for a second and look, you'll see that we constantly get closer and closer and closer. I accept no responsibility for what my long-dead ancestors may have or may not have done. None whatsoever. I wasn't here, I wasn't given a voice or a vote, so I refuse to be held responsible. I'm only responsible for my own actions, just like everyone else. If you reduce my individuality down to just the label "white person," like we all have white only meetings after dark to discuss the white agenda, than you're just a bigot yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 08/02/2008
- justmeinAz I'm a Fan of justmeinAz 19 fans permalink
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The people who owned slaves are long since dead, as are the people who were slaves. Those of us alive today wasting all this energy fighting about long gone history are not living in the present. People should be helped based on where they are and what they need, not what somebody's great great grandfather did to their great great grandfather. If assistance is need-based, nobody gets left behind. A poor white or hispanic woman without healthcare needs just as much help as a black woman. The US Congress has apologised for slavery, but if you want to move beyond this issue, it's up to the black community to forgive. No hand-out or free ride will make anyone any happier if they keep holding on to resentment that's generations old. And no race or culture, including those of Native American or African American ancestry have a right to be self-righteous. If you look at those histories before white intervention, there's a lot to be ashamed of there, too. These things you consider shortcomings of whites are in fact part of human nature, and all races have behaved the same when they had the opportunity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 08/02/2008

I don't believe in reparations. A lot of people have relatives who never owned slaves, and who fought for abolution of slavery (like some of my ancestors! Some of my relatives on the other side of my family came here when slavery was over, should they have to pay?) There is no way that there could be a fair way to pay money to people whose relatives were oppressed. What about Native Americans?? The Government in it's own way tries to make up for things that can nerver be made up for. You just have to go on, work hard, get educated, and level the playing field with schools, education for all like Obama said. We need to make sure that African Americans are paid as much as whites for equal work, things like that. Giving people money that they didn't earn themselves does not bode a person well and will only cause more resentment among the other people in this country. There would be a very expensive bureacracy just trying to find out who would qualify. Stop wasting your time and efforts on it people, because reparations will NEVER happen! Work harder instead, to improve the quality of your own lives and strengthen your families. Also, remember that Obama's dad came from Africa and was not a decendent of slaves and that the other side of his family is white. He thankfully, cannot relate to the idea of reparations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 08/02/2008
- neesy08 I'm a Fan of neesy08 20 fans permalink
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as a african-american, i have mixed views about apparation. i can understand why a lot of black people support this, but i think the time for reparation is past due. we did not get our 40 acres and a mule promised (lincoln died, the racist johnson became prez, there ou go.) we have been badly mistreated, same as the indians, but where do you start?

how do you determine who gets what and how much? i think it mighbe better to let sleeping dogs lie, or decide on a size fitz all payment. with the current economy, i doubt it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 08/02/2008

“I will never forget how my journey began,” he [O-bama] said. “I’ll never forget that I got my start as a foot soldier in the movement that the Urban League helped build -- the movement to bring opportunity to every corner of our cities.”

Urban League foot soldier ? Hmmm. Maybe. But there's definitely ...

"...an A-frican-A-merican poet and journalist by the name of F-rank M-arshall D-avis, who was certainly in the orbit of the CP – if not a member – ... . Eventually, he befriended another family –... had a child with a young student from K-enya East Africa who goes by the name of B-arack O-bama, who retracing the steps of D-avis eventually decamped to Chicago. In his best selling memoir ‘Dreams of my Father’, the author speaks warmly of an older black poet, he identifies simply as "Frank" as being a decisive influence in helping him to find his present identity as an A-frican-A-merican, a people who have been the least anticommunist and the most left-leaning of any constituency in this nation – though you would never know it from reading so-called left journals of opinion. At some point in the future, a teacher will add to her syllabus B-arack’s memoir and instruct her students to read it alongside F-rank M-arshall D-avis’ equally affecting memoir, ..."

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/5047/1/32/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 08/02/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

Yeah, I'm concerned his opposition to reparations is another ruse to get white people to vote for him. I don't believe a damn word he says. Nobody changes their mind as much as this guy does in such a short period of time. If he demands reparations, darling Nancy won't have the balls to stop him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 08/02/2008

Another true believer. Thanks for the campaign speech but I gave at the office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 08/02/2008
- GwenElle I'm a Fan of GwenElle 32 fans permalink

As an African American, I am opposed to reparations.

Australia and Canada have each as a matter of national reconciliation apologized for the historical displacement, oppression and otherwise brutalization suffered by aboriginal peoples by the actions of those who performed those deeds (white Europeans). Here in America, giving reservations and casinos to native peoples hardly registers as reconciliation or in anyway measures up to the nobility that these nations have shown, or at least attempted to show. This is not a dollars and cents or purely logical issue. Reconciliation is a matter of and for the heart and soul.

As for African American descendants of peoples who were brought here against their will, no less than a national apology for the *sins of the father* is in order. Again, I speak to the example of Australia, Canada and cite the example of South Africa and the reconciliation councils held after the end of apartheid. America must lay down its hubris and do what is right.

Having said that, it is hard for me to see an African American president spearheading the effort of American atonement. Somehow and oddly, it seems that the apology wouldn't resonate as it would not come from the party that caused the national wounding.

I have much to reconcile in my own mind and heart about the importance of America's long overdue reconciliation. However, reparations is not the answer. It is not the spiritual cure that is needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 08/02/2008
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What a smart & beautiful way of explaining it ....! If it's not in the soul, the material reparation is meaningless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 08/02/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

The Congress of the United States apologized to Africans just the other day. No amount of groveling and apologizing by America will make them love their country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 08/02/2008
- adl I'm a Fan of adl 6 fans permalink

As many black people who have fought and died for this country, I can't believe you would even post this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 08/02/2008
- laborgrunt I'm a Fan of laborgrunt 7 fans permalink

genesirc3 you are an idiot idiot idiot idiot

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 08/02/2008
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"Them" you are the most r acist garbage I have every seen about to use a computer.

My wife is African American and she loves this country more than hat filled bigots like you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 08/02/2008
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Oh and for your information my wife's father and one of her uncles died for this country.

I see you are alive and well based on their sacrifices.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 08/02/2008
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Great post sorry it got smeared by some ignorant bigot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 08/02/2008
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Its better than doing nothing but I understand where you're coming from; yuo seem to possess much bitterness. That is understandable. Only when there is acknowledgment of the national wound you speak of--and an attempt to correct the wrong, can humanity collectively move forward.

I disagree with Obama on this he is wrong, wrong, wrong. The United States is alone with New Zealand and Australia, that you mentioned, in not recognizing the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People. Less 'enlightened' countries signed off on this realizing it affects 370 million people worldwide. The effort has to begin somewhere.

The U.S. is now behind the pace of the rest of the world regarding its poor track record of race relations. People can only heal when their government acknowledges the historic wrongs. Obama represented the best opportunity to date, and sadly, he is trying to shut the door before the formal dialogue has begun. I am extremely disappointed in him on this issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 08/02/2008
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The only truly rational argument that I have read against reparations is the fact that the US government is too broke to pay them!! Well China may be willing to lend the government to begin this process, or perhaps the Saudis!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 08/02/2008

Why do we have WWII Holocust Museums all over this country and none for the American Holocust?
Slavery? Never made any sense to me, since the WWII Holocust took place in Europe, though I understand the importance of people learning the true degradation and immorality institutions can bring down upon the human spirit. But we have such a home grown lesson here in Slavery and how it took a Civil War to bring it down, and the sad Jim Crow laws that followed.... We have a lesson of our own here don't we!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 08/02/2008
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I think we should have a museum honoring the slaves and telling the truth about slavery. And also, while we're showing the underbelly of American history, one for the genocide of Native Americans that salutes their culture and struggles.

But Obama's right about reparations for slavery. Like it or not, slavery lasted 200 years and the record keeping was very very poor. In addition, it's a wrong that ended (more or less) 150 years ago--longer than the life of most modern nations.

That's 7 generations back and most people can't even trace back 4. And not all blacks were affected the same, so you can't give everyone equal compensation, either.

Plus, the nation's broke.

It's just not feasible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 08/02/2008
- justmeinAz I'm a Fan of justmeinAz 19 fans permalink
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Google "slavery museums" and you'll see that there are a ton of them all over the U.S. Sometimes several in the same city in some southern states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 08/02/2008
- Freesia2 I'm a Fan of Freesia2 342 fans permalink

Good thought. And here you go:

http://www.usnationalslaverymuseum.org/home.asp

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 08/02/2008
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And the Native American genocide which was far more complete genocide than the holocaust. But there are smaller places like the Harriet Tubman Museum that do recognize the horrible ills of slavery and most importantly the triumph over such a criminal system.

Unfortunately human history is littered with so many horrific genocides and e vil deeds that almost every group could have a museum.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 08/02/2008
- adl I'm a Fan of adl 6 fans permalink

Just out of curiosity, what horrific genocide and evil deeds have been perpetrated against white Anglo-Saxon protestants by a group other than other white Anglo-Saxon protestants?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 08/02/2008
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A new exhibition just opened in Atlanta. It looks awesome. It's photographs from the Civil Rights Era. It will be traveling to the Smithsonian. http://www.high.org/main.taf?p=3,1,1,6,2

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 08/02/2008
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I think the appropriate form of reparations would be to give people an additional vote for each year and reason they were disenfranchised. So black men and white women would get two votes, black women would get three. Seriously, how much better off would this country be if we just let black women vote three times?

Yes, I realize this isn't a practical suggestion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 08/02/2008
- KBAR I'm a Fan of KBAR 28 fans permalink
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Happens in BHO's South Chicago neighborhood ever election. And most others in Chicago too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 08/02/2008

I think most of the election fraud,Caging,electronic theft of votes,gerrymandering,not having enough machines(Ohio) in poor neighborhoods(mostly Democrat) and not to mention stopping the vote count is on the other side of the aisle.Chicago had its share of voter fraud years ago,and it ended years ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 08/02/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

Actually, that's essentially what the Democrats did this year when they gave precincts with an historical record of going heavily Democratic which was the predominantly AA precincts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 08/02/2008

Actually compared to some of the suggestions around here it is not bad at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 08/02/2008
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