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CHRISTOPHER WILLS | August 2, 2008 03:01 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. speaks, Friday, Aug. 1, 2008, during a town hall meeting in St. Petersburg, Fla. (AP Photo/Mike Carlson)

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past _ and I'll repeat again _ that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Some two dozen members of Congress are co-sponsors of legislation to create a commission that would study reparations _ that is, payments and programs to make up for the damage done by slavery.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People supports the legislation, too. Cities around the country, including Obama's home of Chicago, have endorsed the idea, and so has a major union, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

Obama has worked to be seen as someone who will bring people together, not divide them into various interest groups with checklists of demands. Supporting reparations could undermine that image and make him appear to be pandering to black voters.

"Let's not be naive. Sen. Obama is running for president of the United States, and so he is in a constant battle to save his political life," said Kibibi Tyehimba, co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. "In light of the demographics of this country, I don't think it's realistic to expect him to do anything other than what he's done."

But this is not a position Obama adopted just for the presidential campaign. He voiced the same concerns about reparations during his successful run for the Senate in 2004.

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There's enough flexibility in the term "reparations" that Obama can oppose them and still have plenty of common ground with supporters.

The NAACP says reparations could take the form of government programs to help struggling people of all races. Efforts to improve schools in the inner city could also aid students in the mountains of West Virginia, said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau.

"The solution could be broad and sweeping," Shelton said.

The National Urban League _ a group Obama addressed Saturday without mentioning the issue in his speech _ avoids the word "reparations" as too vague and highly charged. But the group advocates government action to close the gaps between white America and black America.

Urban League President Marc Morial said he expects his members to press Obama on how he intends to close those gaps and what action he would take in the first 100 days of his presidency.

"What steps should we take as a nation to alleviate the effects of racial exclusion and racial discrimination?" Morial asked.

The House voted this week to apologize for slavery. The resolution, which was approved on a voice vote, does not mention reparations, but past opponents have argued that an apology would increase pressure for concrete action.

Obama says an apology would be appropriate but not particularly helpful in improving the lives of black Americans. Reparations could also be a distraction, he said.

In a 2004 questionnaire, he told the NAACP, "I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say, 'We've paid our debt,' and to avoid the much harder work."

Taking questions Sunday at a conference of minority journalists, Obama said he would be willing to talk to American Indian leaders about an apology for the nation's treatment of their people.

Pressed for his position on apologizing to blacks or offering reparations, Obama said he was more interested in taking action to help people struggling to get by. Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would stand to benefit from reparations.

"If we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they're disproportionately uninsured," Obama said. "If we've got an agenda that says every child in America should get _ should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it's oftentimes our children who can't afford to go to college."

One reparations advocate, Vernellia Randall, a law professor at the University of Dayton, bluntly responded: "I think he's dead wrong."

She said aid to the poor in general won't close the gaps _ poor blacks would still trail poor whites, and middle-class blacks would still lag behind middle-class whites. Instead, assistance must be aimed directly at the people facing the after-effects of slavery and Jim Crow laws, she said.

"People say he can't run and get elected if he says those kinds of things," Randall said. "I'm like, well does that mean we're really not ready for a black president?"

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders. The man wit...
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders. The man wit...
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Tell ya what.

Just give EVERY American worker a 100 Million Dollar Stimulus Check and we'll all be alight.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 08/02/2008

Better yet, want reparations for slavery?

Begin by electing a black man as president.

Go Obama go !!!

Pepe :))

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 08/02/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 143 fans permalink
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eXACTly ! (& I'm a wf) -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 08/02/2008
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Are these kinds of questions also being asked of John McCain?

Senator Obama is being pragmatic. There are many, many poor people of all races, and while it is true that all poor people cannot claim a history of slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation affordable healthcare, access to education, better jobs is one hell of a place to start,

What concerns me here is that by continurally throw these kinds of questions only at Senator Obama, we marginalize his chances at being elected President and he is in my view a far superior candidate.­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 08/02/2008
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Senator Obama is doing what a Black politician in his position HAS to do. There is no way he could say he supported reparations AND still get elected POTUS. Besides, it isn't a new position for him.

Should the issue of reparations be seriously looked studied? Absolutely, IMHO. I suggest reading David Levering Lewis' awesome two-part Pulitzer Prize winning biography of W. E. B. DuBois for some insight on this matter of reparations. Seeing the USA through the lens of Dr. DuBois' time may just be informative enough to give someone a foundation from which to base a serious, considered opinion on the matter. Even if that is not the case, it is GREAT reading about a GREAT man.

BTW, I am not suggesting that the biography is about reparations as it is not. It does get into the unique struggles and challenges of a newly emancipated people. Having a different perspective is usually helpful when forming an opinion.

BEHusseinM777

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 08/02/2008
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It's sad ... but once again the powers that be have culled the masses into believing that the words of a few speak for the majority. This is the ongoing tactic against people of color and those with lesser access to resources for a productive life. In truth most black people I know put little serious energy or thought into the reparations issue beyond casual discourse. We are very aware that our interest are lowest on the priority ladder. How can we not when we just watched an illegal war waged that would have covered todays value of that 40 acres and a mule .... 10 TIMES OVER!!! Truth is ... we are more aware of the ruthlessness of the oppressive class and less familiar with its generosity's. From civil war to civil rights nothing has evolved racially in America unless threatened by the lit fuse of complete obliteration. The oppressive class has been nothing but an obstacle that we continue to overcome ... we just wish you would get out of our way. Believe me ...Everyth­ing would repair itself just fine!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 08/02/2008
- kas70 I'm a Fan of kas70 23 fans permalink
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Extremely well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 08/02/2008
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Very well said, the problem is this oppressive class you speak of doesn't think that they are in our way. They believe that we are in our own way (which could not be furthest from the truth.) I agree with Senator Obama in regards to the apology. Reparations should be in the form of education.­.. considering the building and the Capitol on which these votes take place were built on the backs of slaves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 08/02/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 143 fans permalink
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Bravo !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 08/02/2008
- Jessegirl I'm a Fan of Jessegirl 49 fans permalink

OH NO!!..John McCain is suddenly re-thinking 'reparations' to get black folks to vote for him....but don't worry, Condi will talk him out of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 08/02/2008

It's like the that Chappelle's Show sketch, wow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 08/02/2008
- liseworks I'm a Fan of liseworks 143 fans permalink
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Once again, I'm amazed at Obama for having the courage of his convictions & the courage to convey it, even if it's risky for his campaign - that takes guts.
His whole point is to stop the focus on specific "separative" issues & resolve issues in a "united" way - meaning, yes, the majority of us (Dems), I'm sure, feel reparations are in order - but if we focus only on reparations for the slave-related, a "division" will naturally occur, as other groups will feel they were slighted for their own historical woes.
He's trying to speak for a better system that will automatically take care of descendants of slaves, but also of other groups who suffer the same fate via : poverty or handicap etc.
It's a Democratic stance in its purest form that Obama is advocating.
I'm proud of this ....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 08/02/2008
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Fascinating argument and very divisive.J­ust one more ploy to fuel the belief many whites have that if elected Obama will give the store away to the black man at the expense of the average white working man. At this rate, he'll never even be elected. People seem to be playing right into McCain's and GOP hands. Politics of division seems to work every time. I also find it interesting that those who have never been slaves would expect reparations to be paid by those that never owned slaves. Should we, to be fair, trace the lineage of every African American to verify they are the direct descendants of slaves, then trace the lineage of all whites to identify those whose ancestors owned slaves and force them to pay for the sins of their ancestors? Some of my ancestors arrived from England and settled in Pennsylvania, and never owned a slave. Other ancestors arrived from Germany just prior to World War I. On my mothers side, she is Nanticoke ( Native American) and Brittish, her ancestors were treated quite poorly by the European "invaders.­" I would be angered and deeply resentful if my tax dollars went for "reparations" in this circumstance. Many others I know would be outraged and become very hostile at the mere mention of reparations. It's been 143+ years, I think it may be time to move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 08/02/2008
- jonbw I'm a Fan of jonbw 6 fans permalink

Slavery reparations no, Jim Crow reparations yes
The problem with reparations is the logistics. On average an African American is about 25% genetically European.
Should all African American receive equal amounts of money? Should it be based on how African you are?
If someone looks black but is say 15% African 30% Native American 65% European should they receive the same amount?
If someone looks white, is a descendant of someone who "passed", and is 10% African 90% European should they get money?
Recent (after the civil war) black immigrant should not receive slavery reparations, but how much should someone receive if they are 75% Jamaican 25% American?
There was a small but real population of free blacks in the United States (some of whom owned slaves) should their descendants receive slave reparations?

Slavery reparations are impractical and the case for it is not sound. Slavery ended 140 years ago.
Jim Crow only ended 40 years ago. People who suffered under that system are still alive. I think they is a good case to be made for a more focused reparations to Southern African Americans over 50. Similar to Japanese interned during WWII

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 08/02/2008
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That's lame. Slave reparations are not impractical therefore impossible. There needs to be a commission as what what proposed by the CBC and every person eligible regardless of their lineage should be compensated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 08/02/2008
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That would be all African Americans because we have all been discriminated against a one time or another!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 08/02/2008

There are no real logistical problems.

1) Reparations would go to those individuals who have been identified as black, colored etc. through birth certificates. No problem there.

2) Individual payments are a bit of a mess. I agree so the reparations would be set up in trust funds to be geared toward education, home ownership, business start-ups etc.

3) Another idea is federal tax exemptions for Black Americans - this may be the most practical solution for those who are middle class and wealthy. For the poor #2 would be more applicable in one form or another.

The reasoning behind reparations is very sound in terms of legal justification. It is a version of class-action suits with civil damages both actual and punitive. Also there was MASSIVE violation of Constitutional laws after slavery was abolished.

Did you see how fast the US government whipped out those stimulus checks? Such things can be done when there is political will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 08/02/2008
- genseric13 I'm a Fan of genseric13 6 fans permalink

Spain also had slaves in Florida and the West Indies. America was under British rule until 1776. Slave trade ended in 1803 (by a Southerner). There were 4 million slaves in 1860 but well over 30 million AA's today. Do the welfare payments of the last 40 years get deducted? This theoretical discussion has no end to it. The AA's get mad and start making threats if you push back, but since the money is coming out of my pocket and my ancestors didn't have any slaves, I have to push back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 08/02/2008

this point is now void. There are many eefective ways to make amends to the Africn-American community.
But to your hald blinded point, if reparations were doled out-how about one proving their 'African-American' ancestry is at least 200 years old. That easy! We all know what any African was up to 200 years ago!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 08/02/2008
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"...that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all."

That is the only way to begin leveling the playing field for all INCLUDING Native Americans who would be first in line ahead of blacks...

and that's speaking as a black person....
we can't change the past but we can certainly make sure that we provide equal opportunities for ALL Americans whether black, native Americans or poor rulral whites.... suffering knows not color... make it right for all of us

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 08/02/2008
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Right on nerakami ! I respect your logic & I respect Obama for taking this stand of : "equal-all­-the-way-o­pportunity­".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 08/02/2008
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beautifully said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 08/02/2008

I agree! As horrible, nasty and unfair slavery and Jim Crow were, my mom's friend Lorraine (who is African American and made a great living here, because she had the will and the nothing can stop me attitude, which is really needed by ANYONE who wants to succeed) I feel bad for my ancestors, and all that they went through as slaves, but after visiting Africa (she kissed the ground here when she stepped off of the plane after going to where she traced her roots in Africa) but I am so glad that I am here! We take a LOT for granted. We have running drinking water, Post offices, libraries, and parks. We don't have to work 18 hours with tobacco balls or tea leaf balls on our backs to barely be able to eat. She said that she wished everyone who complained about their lot instead of getting busy could see the things that she saw, she bet theat they would never complain again! And she awknowledged that she didn't even see the worst of it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 08/02/2008
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There doesn't have to be a line and please don't minimize the suffering of my people (I am African American.) Your right suffering doesn't know no color but racism does hence the word! There needs to be some form of reparations and I am tired of so called Blacks folks like you pandering to Whites! You can get your nose out of the a** now the plantations are all gone!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 08/02/2008

I dont see that comment as pandering. Seriously.­... equality for ALL is what we need.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 08/02/2008
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Because we disagree doesn't mean we are pandering to anyone. IMO, there is no logical way reparations (in the form of payments) can be paid, period. Full stop. ( I love that phrase from 0). It's not doable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 08/02/2008
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I am starting to agree with Diop, yesterdays heckler on this guy, theres getting to be less and less difference between him and Sen. McCain. Slave reparations is a no-brainer if the U.S. seriously wants to be restore its image as the "beacon of light." Again, being raised by whites has blunted his vision of what it really is to be black in America. Black women and children would be the greatest benefactors of reparations. America supported Jewish reparations post WW II, I see no difference here.

As for apoligizing to Native Americans, perhaps the Senator can sponsor legislation to recognize the remaining 225 non-recognized tribes that the U.S. has neglected-­--afterall if it were not for the treaties, this country would not exist. Why wait for these things, he is a sitting U.S. Senator.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 08/02/2008
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This seriously is a post??? This story is a non-issue and non-starter from the get go. Why not have payments made to Native Americans??? Why not have payments made to Japanese Americans rounded up during WWII??

I am not a supporter of racism or slavery; however slavery ended almost 150 years ago in our nation. It is time to move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 08/02/2008
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I have to say as an African American, I hope my people will take your advice in the manner in which it is intended.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 08/02/2008
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PAPoster, thank you. I do not mean to be disrespectful. We are all Americans, all the same, and that is how I have was raised to view the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 08/02/2008
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Sorry, when I read my post it should have ended with: I am not a supporter of racism or slavery. Slavery ended almost 150 years ago in our nation. It is time to move on.

I should not have included the word "however" Sorry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 08/02/2008

Slavery did not end almost 150 years ago, check out "Slavery by Another Name.com", you will see that Re-Enslavement of some Black Americans extended from the civil war to WWII.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 08/02/2008
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And Jim Crow continued for another 100 years until about 40 years ago.

Native Americans have received some dividend money for some of the land stolen.

Japanese Americans did receive some reparations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 08/02/2008
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THE GOVERNMENT DID PAY THE JAPANESE AMERICANS FOR WW II INTERNMENT!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 08/02/2008
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$20,000.00

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 08/02/2008

Black slavery built this country...­. Gave it it's first wealth class, which allowed it to compete as a world power... allowed it seek it's independence and funded it's war for freedom... The oldest money in this country comes directly from SLAVERY so it would be almost impossible to dismiss it... for those who have never felt it's sting ....you have no idea. i don't think any other race could have gone thru what black america has gone thru and still be around to tell about it. Sir you disrespect MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of your fellow americans by saying it's time to move on..... It's time for a change

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 08/02/2008

When it comes to reparations for Black Americans, the case can be made very persuasively. Most Americans know very little of the economic history of this nation and the role that slavery played in creating the economic engine that most of us enjoy to this day.

Furthermore, the systemic marginalization and exploitation of Black Americans AFTER the end of slavery is most compelling part of making the case for reparations.

The real problem is the White America doesn't want to admit to the systematic exploitation of Back people because it really shatters the myth of American Exceptionalism - especially when it comes to Race

So the American public prefers to play hostile and ignorant to an issue that demands a just resolution.

Barack Obama will not and SHOULD not have the final word on this issue. After he is long gone this issue will still require JUSTICE. The one thing that Whites in America like about Barack Obama is that he requires NOTHING of them on the race issue except for their vote...

Meanwhile the Black American community has a political agenda that still continues when it comes to issues of race

The prospects for a more JUST, HONEST, and EQUITABLE society DOES NOT lie in the hands of Barack Obama!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 08/02/2008
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All you state is true James. All things being fair the least this country could do is to give monetary assistance of substance to those afflicted by history (the proverbial 40 acres and an updated mule). Yet as my post below states, it is not a clear-cut issue. The real problem of the brown community is not the outside influence of hate it is the inside influence of hate that results in low self esteem, which results in crime, drug addiction, fatherless homes, and all sorts of issues and plagues of existence. Self-hatred also plays out in that historical caricature of a human being called the house person, that person who identifies with the idea of having a master that hates them versus being the master of self, free and unafraid of anyone or anything. This self-hatred is understandable given the history for that is what the architects wanted (the mythical or real Willie Lynch). If this affliction did not exist, the African American community would not need outside help it would tend to its own problems. Yet so many want to be first without fitness and so many want to benefit on the backs of their struggling brethren that we remain a fractured community because trust remains low, ignorance remains untenable, and paranoia runs deep. The brown aggregate community remains under great threat of harm from within and from outside forces. Reparations would address the inequities of the secondary monetary issue, not the primary psychology issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 AM on 08/04/2008
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There is much one could say on this topic. It was inevitable that it would come up and it is probably politically best for Mr. Obama to be clear on his position, else that McCain fellow might try to tell America what his position is and have the media echo chamber versus analysis center, reverberate that lie out as truth.

Would reparations address the ills that people descendant of slavery are facing today? Would a monetary disbursement dramatically change generational ignorance resulting in fractured and at-risk households? Would money repair the broken self-esteem of a child who is hypersensitive about their hue because society reacts to that hue as if it were something hideous or wrong? Can a historical wrong be corrected by cash payment?

Personally, reparations cannot help me; my problem with America requires a lot more than that. It requires a mulligan of historic proportions.

Families are struggling all across America whose bloodline traces to kidnapped natives of Africa. An injection of cold cash would address many of their immediate needs (rent, gas, etc…). Giving money to someone who does not know how to use the tool is a bad investment. How many impoverished lottery winners have gone from poor to rich back to poor again because they had no sense of how to conserve and preserve? America needs to simply practice acceptance over tolerance and love over hate and many ills will be solved by and by. Unity is the tonic for what ails us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 08/02/2008

Let's face it this war has put this country in so much debt nobody will be getting paid! As a matter of fact we're all going to be paying for the next 25 to 30 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 08/02/2008
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