Anthrax Scientist's Therapist Was "Scared To Death" Of Him, Says Scientist Tried To Poison People

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DAVID DISHNEAU and LARA JAKES JORDAN | August 3, 2008 07:13 AM EST | AP

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A hazardous materials unit worker is hosed down on Capitol Hill in this Tuesday, Oct. 23, 2001 file photo where worked continued inspecting buildings and offices for anthrax contamination. A top U.S. biodefense researcher, Bruce E. Ivins, 62, apparently committed suicide just as the Justice Department was about to file criminal charges against him in the anthrax mailings that traumatized the nation in the weeks following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the Los Angeles Times reported in their Friday Aug. 1, 2008 editions. (AP Photo/Ron Thomas, FILE)

FREDERICK, Md. — Bruce E. Ivins, the late microbiologist suspected in the 2001 anthrax attacks, had attempted to poison people and his therapist said she was "scared to death" of him, according to court testimony that emerged Saturday.

Social worker Jean Duley testified at a court hearing in Frederick on July 24 in a successful bid for a protective order from Ivins _ who five days later committed suicide _ that he "actually attempted to murder several other people."

Ivins took a fatal dose of Tylonel as federal authorities monitored his movements and prepared to charge him with the murder of five people who died from anthrax poisonining in the weeks after the Sept. 2001 terror attacks.

An audio recording of the court session was obtained by The New York Times and posted it on its Web site.

"As far back as the year 2000, the respondent has actually attempted to murder several other people, either through poisoning. He is a revenge killer. When he feels that he's been slighted or has had _ especially toward women _ he plots and actually tries to carry out revenge killings," Duley said.

She added that Ivins "has been forensically diagnosed by several top psychiatrists as a sociopathic, homicidal killer. I have that in evidence. And through my working with him, I also believe that to be very true."

Ivins, 62, who worked at an Army biodefense laboratory at Fort Detrick, took his own life Tuesday as federal authorities were closing in after investigating him for more than a year in connection with the deaths of five people poisoned by anthrax sent through the mail.

Answers to one of the nation's highest profile unsolved mysteries are in documents that could be released as early as this week _ and help explain how the government chased the wrong suspect for years.

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Prosecutors were mulling this weekend whether to close the anthrax poisoning investigation, possibly as early as Monday or Tuesday. If that happens, court documents detailing newly developed scientific evidence that recently led the government to Ivins may be unsealed.

Five people died and 17 others were sickened when anthrax-laced letters began showing up at congressional offices, newsrooms and post offices soon after Sept. 11, 2001.

After wrongly investigating Army scientist Steven Hatfill, the FBI more than a year ago began looking at Ivins, who worked at the same military lab. Ivins, a decorated scientist who was working on an anthrax cure, killed himself last Tuesday.

Two U.S. officials said victims and their survivors could be briefed as early as Tuesday on the final piece of the bioterrorism attacks that confounded the government.

The Justice Department attributed the break in the case to "new and sophisticated scientific tools" that cost the FBI about $10 million. Investigators said the science focused, in part, on how the anthrax strains were handled and who had access to it at the time of the mailings.

FBI scientists were able to isolate strains used in the attacks, and determined they were not as common as previously thought. And that led investigators to Ivins.

Had the same process been available years ago, it would have cleared Hatfill much earlier, according to two people familiar with the FBI investigation who spoke on condition of anonymity because the case is not officially closed.

The Army refused Saturday to say whether it had been reviewing the security clearance of the chief suspect in the anthrax attacks who had mental problems and killed himself as federal prosecutors were planning to indict him.

Ivins was removed from his lab in Maryland by police on July 10 and temporarily hospitalized, according to court records, because it was feared that he was a danger to himself and others. But it was unclear whether he was still employed by the lab at the time of his death Tuesday.

That raises the question of whether Ivins still had his security clearance and, if so, how he kept it, given that his social worker said Ivins had been viewed as homicidal and sociopathic by his psychiatrist.

Army spokesman Paul Boyce declined to comment on Ivins' case.

Boyce didn't respond to a question on what type of clearance microbiologists at the lab would have to hold.

David R. Franz, a former commander of the Army's lab biological warfare labs at Fort Detrick, Md., where Ivins worked, said Saturday he thought it was "very important that the FBI present their case against Bruce and not just state that the investigation was over because it was him and he's gone."

Franz added, "I'm concerned about what closing this case without conclusive evidence might do to harm our life sciences enterprise. ... I think we as Americans need to see the proof."

Initially, FBI profilers said they probably were looking for a loner with a scientific background. Maybe he had a grudge against the lawmakers and news organizations. Investigators also considered possible links to al-Qaida, the terrorist group behind the 9/11 attacks.

Intensive focus initially settled on Hatfill, who for years accused the government of unfairly targeting him. In late June, the government exonerated Hatfill and paid him a $5.82 million settlement.

With that, the government seemed no closer to solving the "Amerithrax" mystery. But, quietly, investigators were closing in on a different scientist, Ivins.

A murder indictment and the possibility of the death penalty could have produced a high-profile climax to the case. Shadowed by the FBI, Ivins died Tuesday from a Tylenol overdose, leaving the probe in limbo and a nation seeking answers.

"It's a shame the man is not here with us. We might have known more," said Maureen Stevens, whose husband, Bob, was the first anthrax victim.

Former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota, said: "I think the FBI owes us a complete accounting of their investigation and ought to be able to tell us at some point, how we're going to bring this to closure." Daschle's office received a letter containing the deadly white powder in 2001.

Among the unanswered questions is why the anthrax was sent. The FBI was investigating whether Ivins, renowned for his work developing anthrax vaccines and treatment, released the toxin to test those cures. Ivins was one of several scientists named in an application for a vaccine patent 18 months before the attacks.

Another puzzle is what finally led the FBI to focus on Ivins a year or so ago. Ivins attracted some attention for conducting unauthorized anthrax testing in the six months following the anthrax mailings, but the FBI focus stayed on Hatfill.

As Ivins' name emerged, so did a portrait of a conflicted, troubled man. His friends knew him as the man who played the keyboard at church, a Red Cross volunteer who was an avid juggler and gardener.

Others saw a darker side. Police recently removed him from work, fearing he was a danger to himself or others. Social worker Duley filed for a restraining order in a Maryland court.

"Client has a history dating to his graduate days of homicidal threats, plans and actions towards therapists," Duley wrote in court documents last week, adding that his psychiatrist had described him as homicidal and sociopathic.

Ivins' brother, Tom Ivins, said he had not spoken to Bruce Ivins since 1985, but acknowledged the possibility his brother may have been the anthrax mailer.

"It makes sense, what the social worker said," Tom Ivins said. "He considered himself like a god."

Ivins' lawyer, Paul F. Kemp, asserted the scientist's innocence and said he would have proved it at trial. Kemp said his client's death was the result of the government's "relentless pressure of accusation and innuendo."

Maryland's chief medical examiner, Dr. David Fowler, confirmed Saturday that Ivins died Tuesday morning at Frederick, Md., Memorial Hospital; that the cause of death was found to be an overdose of acetaminophen, the active drug in Tylenol; and that it was ruled a suicide based on information from police and doctors.

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Associated Press writers Matt Apuzzo in Washington, Chrissie Thompson in Frederick, Md., Ben Nuckols in Baltimore, John Pain in Miami, AP researchers Susan James and Jennifer Farrar in New York and AP Television contributed to this report. Jordan reported from Washington.

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On the Net:

New York Times site with audio _ http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/us/03anthrax.htm

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FREDERICK, Md. — Bruce E. Ivins, the late microbiologist suspected in the 2001 anthrax attacks, had attempted to poison people and his therapist said she was "scared to death" of him, according ...
FREDERICK, Md. — Bruce E. Ivins, the late microbiologist suspected in the 2001 anthrax attacks, had attempted to poison people and his therapist said she was "scared to death" of him, according ...
 
 

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- wordvarc See Profile I'm a Fan of wordvarc permalink

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She was a drug counselor, not a therapist. She was a recovering addict with only rudimentary drug counselor training.

The FBI harassed this man and his family with no evidence and wants us to believe the case is solved.

Note the breaking 'sorority story' today. It's all fabrication simply meant to slander the scientist. I wonder how many millions his family will get for the FBI's hooveresque aggression and botching of this investigation.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 08/05/2008
- gypsy508 See Profile I'm a Fan of gypsy508 permalink

Well if all this stuff is really true about him - the latest being that he was obsessed with a sorority that was near the mailbox where his letters were sent - one has to wonder how he got security clearance to work with anthrax to begin with. His right-wing Christian-nation views in his letters to the editor obviously did not raise any hackles. One wonders whether if those letters espoused a different religion or political view whether they would have?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 08/04/2008
- PaMike See Profile I'm a Fan of PaMike permalink

Who would take a lethal dose of Tylenol, when they had anthrax at their disposal? And what is the lethal dose of Tylenol? Fishy story!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 08/04/2008
- rich3324 See Profile I'm a Fan of rich3324 permalink

In the immediate aftermath of the 2001 anthrax attacks, White House officials repeatedly pressed FBI Director Robert Mueller to prove it was a second-wave assault by Al Qaeda, but investigators ruled that out, the Daily News has learned.

After the Oct. 5, 2001, death from anthrax exposure of Sun photo editor Robert Stevens, Mueller was "beaten up" during President Bush's morning intelligence briefings for not producing proof the killer spores were the handiwork of terrorist mastermind Osama Bin Laden, according to a former aide.

"They really wanted to blame somebody in the Middle East," the retired senior FBI official told The News.

On October 15, 2001, President Bush said, "There may be some possible link"
to Bin Laden, adding, "I wouldn't put it past him." Vice President Cheney also said Bin Laden's henchmen were trained "how to deploy and use these kinds of substances, so you start to piece it all together."

But by then the FBI already knew anthrax spilling out of letters addressed to media outlets and to a U.S. senator was a military strain of the bioweapon. "Very quickly [Fort Detrick, Md., experts] told us this was not something some guy in a cave could come up with," the ex-FBI official said.
"They couldn't go from box cutters one week to weapons-grade anthrax the next."jmeek@nydailynews.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 08/04/2008
- Mark701 See Profile I'm a Fan of Mark701 permalink

Great just great. The Army allowed a homocidal sociopath access to anthrax. Jesus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 08/04/2008
- rfshunt See Profile I'm a Fan of rfshunt permalink

The good news is that the "homicidal sociopath" story might just be a poorly constructed fairy tale meant to distract us.

The bad news is that the American people have allowed homicidal sociopaths access to the Oval Office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 08/04/2008
- ElectronoftheOne See Profile I'm a Fan of ElectronoftheOne permalink

Yup, there's the bottom line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 08/05/2008
- HmblDog See Profile I'm a Fan of HmblDog permalink

He was a devout Catholic.
I always thought Catholicism considers suicide a mortal sin.
????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 08/04/2008
- Malkintent See Profile I'm a Fan of Malkintent permalink

His "therapist" has a lengthy police record--read Glenn Greenwald. This does'nt mean she's lying, but it should be taken into consideration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 08/04/2008
- noen See Profile I'm a Fan of noen permalink

I'll bet that in payment for her statements she has certain charges "expunged".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 08/04/2008
- Jinxykb See Profile I'm a Fan of Jinxykb permalink

This is fishy. Why should I believe the government OR this psychiatrist?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 08/04/2008
- bostongreen See Profile I'm a Fan of bostongreen permalink

my thoughts exactly. If he admitted to her that he tried to murder other people, why didn't she go to authorities? I believe you're allowed to break doctor/patient confidentiality in those cases. Furthermore, if he was reviewed by a bunch of shrinks, why was he continually employed at a biological warfare lab? not to mention that they probably undergo regular psychiatric evaluations. the whole thing stinks rotten.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 08/04/2008
- totaldisbelief See Profile I'm a Fan of totaldisbelief permalink

Why hasn't the other scientist (the one that had a racial incident with an Egyptian co-worker and was filmed on the surveillance cameras going in to where the anthrax was kept) never interviewed by the FBI.
The FBI and whoever else used Ivins as a "patsy' so they can close the case and forget the whole thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 08/04/2008
- totaldisbelief See Profile I'm a Fan of totaldisbelief permalink

We are being LIED TO again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 08/04/2008
- Hirnlego See Profile I'm a Fan of Hirnlego permalink

Scientists Question FBI Probe On Anthrax
Ivins Could Not Have Been Attacker, Some Say
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201632.html?hpid=topnews

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 AM on 08/04/2008
- Hirnlego See Profile I'm a Fan of Hirnlego permalink


FBI was told to blame Anthrax scare on Al Qaeda by White House officials

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/08/02/2008-08-02_fbi_was_told_to_blame_anthrax_scare_on_a.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 AM on 08/04/2008
- Pleidian See Profile I'm a Fan of Pleidian permalink

Oh yeah, it's a lone nut. A one-armed Man. A singular force of evil againts a benevolent machine that seeks only to protect America. Oh yes, this is paradise and once again, Gods Own Country had it immacualte system threatened by...ONE....INSANE...SCIENTIST!!!!!

It sure can't be anything else right? Because that would mean that the Bush administration had been involved in massive terrorism activity against politicians and civilians inside the US and they would NEVER...oh bollocks they would.

Prerry much everything this administration has put out there, from the preposterous Kean-Hamilton Report on 9/11 via the Valerie Plame affair over vice-president Görings discharge of a weapon into the face of an elderly man to Alberto Gonzalez jaw-dropping "I have had my memory erased" performance on the Hill.......

Has been outright lies and deception....for PROFIT! If that is not fascism, I dont what will convince you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 AM on 08/04/2008
- F64club See Profile I'm a Fan of F64club permalink

I know that taking too much Tylenol can hurt one's liver. This is the first time I've heard of someone committing suicide with Tylenol. I heard stories of people overdosing on Tylenol in an attempt to kill themselves, only to wake up the next morning believing that their suicide attempt has failed; only to discover a week later that they are in liver failure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 08/04/2008
- TianZi See Profile I'm a Fan of TianZi permalink

The official account of so many of the circumstances of, and surrounding, the 9/11 incident is immensely unsatisfying.

Take the mysterious collapse of WTC Building No. 7, shortly after the collapse of the two main buildings. This *47 story structure* was not struck by a plane. It has taken years for the US government to release an an official report "analyzing" and "explaining" that building's collapse. But that explanation--that falling debris started a fire that caused the building to collapse in a manner similar to the collapse of the two main towers--is *preposterous* in its unlikelihood, since never before in the history of the world is there any evidence that a building similar to WTC bldg. 7 collapsed in a like manner due to a fire.

The following article published in 2008 in a civil engineering journal by a group of civil engineers challenges the official explanation for the collapse of the WTC buildings, including building no. 7.:

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCIEJ/2008/00000002/00000001/35TOCIEJ.SGM

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 08/04/2008
- ClevelandTom See Profile I'm a Fan of ClevelandTom permalink

The article "challenges the official explanation"? Did you read it? Did you even read the short abstract? Here is the abstract:

"Reports by FEMA and NIST lay out the official account of the destruction of the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001. In this Letter, we wish to set a foundation for productive discussion and understanding by focusing on those areas where we find common ground with FEMA and NIST, while at the same time countering several popular myths about the WTC collapses."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 AM on 08/04/2008
- TianZi See Profile I'm a Fan of TianZi permalink

Ack, my replies displayed in the wrong order. Oh well. Read the last one first, and go from there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 08/04/2008
- TianZi See Profile I'm a Fan of TianZi permalink

[For unknown reasons, an administrator have deleted my reply posts. I'll make just this one.]

Yes, I read the article word for word, something you did not do. You read only the abstract. How embarrassing for you.

Quoting from the article:

"Thus, Skilling"s team showed that a commercial jet
would not bring down a WTC Tower, just as the Empire
State Building did not collapse when hit by an airplane, and
he explained that a demolition expert using explosives could
demolish the buildings. We find we are in agreement."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 08/04/2008
- TianZi See Profile I'm a Fan of TianZi permalink

One final quote:

_____________

"Abel: "..what about that letter where NIST said it
didn't look for evidence of explosives?"

Neuman [spokesperson at NIST, listed on the WTC report]:
"Right, because there was no evidence of that."

Abel: But how can you know there's no evidence if
you don't look for it first?

Neuman: "If you're
looking for something that isn't there, you're wasting
your time... and the taxpayers" money." [27].

The evident evasiveness of this answer might be humorous
if not for the fact that NIST"s approach here affects the
lives of so many innocent people. We do not think that looking
for thermite or other residues specified in the NFPA 921
code is "wasting your time."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 08/04/2008
- TianZi See Profile I'm a Fan of TianZi permalink

Another quote (this time, of a quote with which the authors of the article agreed):

"The fire is the most misunderstood part of the
WTC collapse. Even today, the media report (and
many scientists believe) that the steel melted. It is
argued that the jet fuel burns very hot, especially
with so much fuel present. This is not true.... The
temperature of the fire at the WTC was not unusual, and it was most definitely not capable of melting steel"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 08/04/2008
- TianZi See Profile I'm a Fan of TianZi permalink

Another quote:

"NIST: "NIST"s findings do not support the "pancake
theory" of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure
of the floor systems in the WTC towers¦ Thus, the
floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon"
[3].
Agreed: the "pancake theory of collapse" is incorrect and
should be rejected. This theory of collapse was proposed by
the earlier FEMA report and promoted in the documentary
"Why the Towers Fell" produced by NOVA [7]. The "pancake
theory of collapse" is strongly promoted in a Popular
Mechanics article along with a number of other discredited
ideas [8, 9]. We, on the other hand, agree with NIST that the
"pancake theory" is not scientifically tenable and ought to be
set aside in serious discussions regarding the destruction of
the WTC Towers and WTC 7."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 08/04/2008
- Vinca See Profile I'm a Fan of Vinca permalink

TianZi: People WANT THE TRUTH ABOUT 9/11, There's SOO many indications that it was an inside job,WILL WE EVER GET THE TRUTH?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 08/04/2008
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