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Justice Department Subpoenas Its Former Lawyers In Civil Rights Probe

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August 6, 2008 12:27 PM



A federal grand jury has subpoenaed several former senior Justice Department attorneys for an investigation into the politicization of the Department's own Civil Rights Division, according to sources close to the investigation.

The extraordinary step by the Justice Department of subpoenaing attorneys once from within its own ranks was taken because several of them refused to voluntarily give interviews to the Department Inspector General, which has been conducting its own probe of the politicization of the Civil Rights Division, the same sources said.

The grand jury has been investigating allegations that a former senior Bush administration appointee in the Civil Rights Division, Bradley Schlozman, gave false or misleading testimony on a variety of topics to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Sources close to the investigation say that the grand jury is also more broadly examining whether Schlozman and other Department officials violated civil service laws by screening Civil Rights attorneys for political affiliation while hiring them.

Investigators for the Inspector General have also asked whether Schlozman, while an interim U.S. attorney in Missouri, brought certain actions and even a voting fraud indictment for political ends, according to witnesses questioned by the investigators. But it is unclear whether the grand jury is going to hear testimony on that issue as well.

One person who has been subpoenaed before the grand jury, sources said, was Hans von Spakovsky, who as a former counsel to the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights was a top aide to Schlozman. An attempt to reach Spakovsky for comment for this story was unsuccessful.
Earlier this year, Spakovsky withdrew his name from nomination by President Bush to serve on the Federal Election Commission after repeatedly claiming a faulty memory or citing the attorney-client privilege to fend off questions from senators about allegedly using his position to restrict voting rights for minorities -- and that he hindered an investigation of Republican officeholders in Minnesota accused of discriminating against Native American voters.

Three current and former Justice Department officials were questioned by investigators about allegations that Schlozman--with Spakovsky advising and assisting him-- made decisions whether to hire and fire attorneys in the Civil Rights Divison on the basis of their political affiliation.

Another person subpoenaed by the grand jury, according to several sources, was Jason Torchinsky, who, like Spavosky, was also a Counsel to the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights.

Torchinsky is not under investigation for any wrongdoing himself, but rather subpoenaed as a witness in the probe, sources said. Previously, however, Torchinsky had refused to voluntarily answer questions from investigators working for the Justice Department's Inspector General about the politicization of the Civil Rights Divison. Reached at his home on Tuesday night, Torchinsky declined to comment for this article.

Sources familiar with the federal grand jury subpoenas say that they were approved at the highest levels of the Justice Department.

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The sources said that investigators working the case as well as senior Department officials were distressed that some of the Justice Department's most senior political appointees refused to co-operate with an investigation by the very Department they once served.

"What does this say for the average person on the street if we want them to co-operate?" said a senior official, "How can we say to the ordinary citizen that you should report crimes, tell the government what you know, when the people who ran the Department of Justice thumb their noses at the system?"

Another federal law enforcement official familiar with the subpoenas said that they believed that senior Justice Department officials had no choice but to approve the subpoenas because to do otherwise would have meant overruling career prosecutors and their actions would appear political if they did. The official also said that political appointees at the top of the Department had to appear to be aggressive in their investigation of the politicization because to do otherwise might lead to calls for a special prosecutor to take over the investigation from them.

A former Justice Department attorney who was subpoenaed said that he believed they had been called before the grand jury as "retaliation" for refusing to talk voluntarily to investigators working for Justice's Inspector General. Current Justice Department employees are required to talk to investigators, while former employees are not.

But sources with first-hand knowledge of the investigation said that the former Justice Department officials were subpoenaed because they had information necessary to the Department's probe and without subpoenas there was no other way to compel their testimony.

During his tenure in the Civil Rights Division, career employees charged that Schlozman disregarded longstanding voting rights law to electorally favor Republicans over Democrats.

Joseph Rich, who was chief of the voting rights section of the Civil Rights Division under Schlozman, told the Boston Globe: "Schlozman was reshaping the Civil Rights Division. Schlozman didn't know anything about voting law. . . . All he knew is he wanted to be sure that the Republicans were going to win."

Schlozman and other Bush administration appointees in the Justice Department claimed that federal law enforcement authorities had been deficient in prosecuting cases of voter fraud. Schlozman and other Bush administration officials--most prominently Karl Rove- claimed that the failure to prosecute purported voter fraud benefited Democrats at the expense of Republicans.
But most independent assessments suggest that the vast majority of reports of voting fraud are unfounded.

A recent study [PDF] by Lorraine C. Minnite, an assistant professor of political science at Barnard College, found that most reports of voting fraud turned out to be "unsubstantiated or false claims by the loser of a close race, mischief, and administrative or voter error." Joseph Rich, who was chief of the voting-rights section in Justice's Civil Rights Division until 2005, told me in an interview: "There is virtually no evidence that voter fraud ever occurs except by individuals and in rare instances."

Democrats and interest groups ranging from the League of Woman Voters to the NAACP to those who protect the rights of the disabled, assert that the White House and Republican activists exaggerate claims of voter fraud as a means to suppress voter participation. Citing allegations of purported voter fraud, the Bush White House has supported state initiatives which would require voters to produce state photo identification at the polls.

In the courts, however, state and federal judges have said that such requirements might discourage voting by minorities, the disabled, the impoverished, students, and the elderly--all segments of voters who traditionally vote in greater numbers for the Democrats.

Von Spakovsky, Schlozman's deputy, who has been subpoenaed to testify before the grand jury because of his refusal to speak to investigators, was also alleged to have to misused his official position by setting aside the law to take actions to help Republican candidates.

When von Spakovsky was nominated to serve on the Federal Election commission, six career officials of the Justice Department's Voting Rights Section, who had worked under him, wrote the Senate asking that he not be confirmed.

The six alleged that "during the 2004 election cycle" von Spakovsky "broke with established Department policy by getting involved with contentious and partisan litigation on the eve of the election. Mr. von Spakovsky drafted legal briefs between the Republican and Democratic parties in three battleground states, Ohio, Michigan and Florida just before the election, all in favor of the Republican party's position." The six career officials further asserted: "These briefs ran counter to the well-established practice of the Civil Rights Division not to inject itself into litigation or election monitoring on the eve of an election where it would be viewed as expressing a political preference or could have an impact on a political dispute."

These briefs ran counter to the well-established practice of the Civil Rights Division not to inject itself into litigation or election monitoring on the eve of an election where it could be viewed as expressing a political preference or could have an impact on a political dispute. Moreover, in another case between the Republican and Democratic parties which concerned an Ohio law that permitted political parties to challenge voters, he drafted a letter that was sent to the court which supported the Republican Party position even though the law did not implicate any statute that the Department enforces.

During his tenure with the Civil Rights Division, Schlozman also repeatedly clashed not only with career attorneys in his own office but also with federal prosecutors who he did not believe were taking the issue of voting fraud seriously enough.

One of those he clashed with was Todd Graves, the U.S. Attorney in Kansas City, Missouri, a conservative Republican stalwart who excelled in his job, but who also was fired by the Bush administration in March, 2006-- only to be temporarily replaced by Schlozman.

As interim U.S. attorney, less than a week before a tightly contested U.S. Senate race in Missouri in 2006, Schlozman brought an indictment of voter fraud against four workers with a liberal advocacy group, despite the fact that Justice Department guidelines prohibit such indictments so close to election day. Schlozman said that he was justified in his actions because he was afraid that more fraud might take place.

But Robert Kengle, a former deputy chief in the voting-rights section at Justice during the Clinton and Bush administrations, told me in an interview: "They cooked up that there is a general exception to the policy because they wanted to prevent more fraud. But indicting people before the election was not going to change anything. Registration had already closed.... There just wasn't a justification for bending the law."

The Justice Department guidelines state: "Federal prosecutors and investigators should be extremely careful not to conduct overt investigations during the pre-election period or while the elections are underway."

One reason for such a policy, the guidelines say, is that "a criminal investigation by armed, badged federal agents runs the obvious risk of chilling legitimate voting and campaign activities."
In the end, the indictment had to be reissued after the election. In his haste to bring charges, Schlozman had indicted the wrong person--someone with a name similar to the person he wanted to charge.

Related: The Ninth Man Out: A Fired U.S. Attorney Tells His Story

 
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- Boboday555 I'm a Fan of Boboday555 120 fans permalink
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Republikklans pissing on the United States Constitution...same as it ever was!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 08/06/2008

This is just the tip of the iceberg... These are but patsies.

There will be more thrown under the bus before it is all said and done. This ' politicization of the Civil Rights Div. ' is that tip of the iceberg, and is endemic of the entire Bush Justice Department, not just the Civil Rights Division !

They didn't just take it upon themselves to institute these policies... Their goosestepping orders came from their superiors, or they would have been fired for their actions.

( And only the Patently Naive' can't see that, nor the Willfully Ignorant acknowledge that inevitability ! )


More to follow. -ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 08/06/2008

MO voter denied right to vote. This is how the republicans win elections. It needs to be front page.
Missouri voter denied the right to vote after confirming ID needed and then local precinct rejects it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 08/06/2008
- Superbus I'm a Fan of Superbus 27 fans permalink
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Yeah, that's right. Dems only lose through voter fraud???

Lord, deliver me, please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 08/06/2008

Take him, lord.

Soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 08/06/2008
- Clarabell I'm a Fan of Clarabell 68 fans permalink
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Well, you might just say that that's been a big big part of it. The rest is probably based mostly on stupidity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 08/06/2008
- AMJordan I'm a Fan of AMJordan 27 fans permalink

More like, Lord, deliver us please.

I guess Repulsives like Superdumb don't mind if the voting laws are perverted. Of course they'll cry like the little girls they are if a Dem dares to do anything even slightly off the line.

Boyo, you'd better get ready for the sh-itstorm that's coming. Karma works.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 08/06/2008
- Boboday555 I'm a Fan of Boboday555 120 fans permalink
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The actual number of voter fraud cases in the United States is about the same as the number of War Deferments Dick Cheney recieved so he could avoid "Supporting the Troops" during the Vietnam War!

And the majority were comitted by, you guessed it, republicans...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 08/06/2008
- Boboday555 I'm a Fan of Boboday555 120 fans permalink
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So, you agree.
Good, now go Enlist!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 08/06/2008
- Oldtt I'm a Fan of Oldtt 37 fans permalink
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The smug belief that Democrats keep losing elections because Republicans keep stealing them is the reason Democrats keep losing elections. I'm sure you have heard the oft-miscited maxim about doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. It may be time to put aside the whining about cheating and start thinking about why this happens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 08/06/2008
- AMJordan I'm a Fan of AMJordan 27 fans permalink

once again, if the Dems were doing this crap, you'd be crying like a little girl. I see pigtails and a frilly dress on you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 08/06/2008
- Ourrias I'm a Fan of Ourrias 8 fans permalink
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Don't you just love how Republican hacks like Oldtt refer to FACTS as "smug belief?"

That's because he's a Republican, and all they operate on is belief. You just can't mess up their vacuous little heads with "facts!"

Smell the coffee, Oldtt. Fact of the matter is - Republicans stole the presidential election of 2000 (in Florida) and 2004 (in Ohio).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 08/06/2008
- donaldw6 I'm a Fan of donaldw6 357 fans permalink
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Talk to me about smug, Oldtt. Republicans think they can keep pulling this garbage and getting away with it, but it's going to catch up with you this time. We'll win, and then we'll do a thorough review of voting practices and take a good look at everything the GOP tried to pull this time. Go ahead and play your little games this year, I dare you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 08/06/2008
- Boboday555 I'm a Fan of Boboday555 120 fans permalink
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Pssst...better get someone to read a recent U.S. history book to y'all NON-NELISTING BUSHY.
The Dems won big in 2006...or didn't they cover that on FOX-KIDS?

Besides, the 2000 Presidential coups was less a GOP victory than a United States embarrassment!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 08/06/2008
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 408 fans permalink
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Just because everybody says they're cheating doesn't mean they're not cheating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 08/06/2008

Superbus
Some people have inconveniently short memories. Would there have been a Bay of Pigs or an escalation if NIxon had legally won?
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ShortbusTheLiar shows his ignorance again.

The Bay of Pigs invasion was a plan hatched by the Eisenhower administration with the full support of Vice President Nixon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 08/06/2008
- Superbus I'm a Fan of Superbus 27 fans permalink
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It was JFK who betrayed the Cuban Freedon Fighters and pulled the air cover, genius. Otherwise, who knows what would have happened.

Because of that the Commies won. How do you "feel" about that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 08/06/2008
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Don't try your typical diversionary tactics, Shortbus.

You said if he hadn't won, there would have been no Bay of Pigs.

You got caught in a lie.

You can't weasel your way out by changing the subject.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 08/06/2008

Caught showing evidence of his ignorance, shortbus tries to change the parameters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 08/06/2008

...as to "pulling" the air coverage, that is a lie.

JFK was told that no coverage was needed. When the Pentagon went to him to seek approval of using air coverage, after the invasion had already begun, he said NO.

Just a reminder--Dulles was fired as CIA chief for lying to JFK about the planning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 08/06/2008
- soapington I'm a Fan of soapington 42 fans permalink
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They were fighting to make Cuba a new Freedonia?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 08/06/2008
- mccabe49 I'm a Fan of mccabe49 5 fans permalink

What in the hell are you talking about?? Obviously you have no idea Shortbus

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 08/06/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 148 fans permalink

And don't forget the Iranian Coup in 1953 that overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and replaced it with an American puppet.

it was proposed by the Brits, Winston Churchill actually, for the benefit of British Petroleum. But Truman refused to have any part of it.

it was only when Eisenhower got into power that they pulled it off.

Leading too. . . the past 30 years of stupid if not criminal American policy in the region.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 08/06/2008
- Superbus I'm a Fan of Superbus 27 fans permalink
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The Shah gave us flyover rights for the U-2s. We were in a 'Cold War" with the Soviets at that time, a war that Ronald Reagan won.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 08/06/2008

The U-2 bases were in Pakistan, shortbus.

No overflight of Iran needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 08/06/2008
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 263 fans permalink
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And the CIA trained his brutal secret police (Google SAVAK) and jailed and killed 10's of thousands for the Shah who later proclaimed himself the shadow of god on earth.

BTW it was the Anglo Iranian Oil Company

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Persian_Oil_Company

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 08/06/2008
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 263 fans permalink
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My country tis of thee

Where is its liberty

I sure do cringe

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 08/06/2008
- bronceye I'm a Fan of bronceye 32 fans permalink

Nixon, Reagan and BushI all pardoned by their successors. BushI actually pardoned himself by pardoning reagan, ollie north, wienberger, et al. When they were pardoned, there could be no investigation into what he was doing in Teheran per the guns for hostages deal. If minibush pulls it off, he will pardon bush and a laundry list of cronies. After he pardons them, he will seek their advise. And the neoconman train will roll on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 08/06/2008

Ed wards is a lawyer maybe he could look in to this if he's not too busy raising his families.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 08/06/2008
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Off-topic and offensive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 08/06/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

Scooter Libby is a lawyer. Maybe he could look into it.

Unless he's still on reportable probation .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 08/06/2008

but true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 08/06/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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Human NyQuil stikes again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 08/06/2008
- Superbus I'm a Fan of Superbus 27 fans permalink
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Edwards wants to be the new Attorney General. Can you imagine that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 08/06/2008
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Prove it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 08/06/2008
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Are you seriously jealous of him or something?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 08/06/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

So you believe in abortion!!??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 08/06/2008

Perhaps he can look into the mob ties of the Hensley Company.

Mc's heiress gets her American Express money from mob ties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 08/06/2008
- Superbus I'm a Fan of Superbus 27 fans permalink
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back from walking your pet rat?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 08/06/2008
- RaraAvis17 I'm a Fan of RaraAvis17 7 fans permalink

Man, what is it with you and JEdwards? This is like the 50th comment about him over the past few weeks. How long will it take you to get over it? You must mutter edwards,edwards,edwards in your sleep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 08/06/2008
- ggmome I'm a Fan of ggmome 13 fans permalink

This ought to be fun! Lawyers investigating themselves!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 08/06/2008
- Superbus I'm a Fan of Superbus 27 fans permalink
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Now you are on to soemthing. Could be quite a circus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 08/06/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

Oh, I'm sure there will be a lot of huffing and puffing from the our sanctimonious betters on the Right. The Legal Scholars.

After they stood around like potted plants for 8 years, in between making campaign calls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 08/06/2008
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I kin tel by yur spelin u r homskult lik me !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 08/06/2008
- LarsGruber I'm a Fan of LarsGruber 35 fans permalink

worse than that... republicans investigating republicans.

sounds like Abu Graib

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 08/06/2008

This is just the liberal media's attempt to distract us from the rumors of Obama's new scandal: http://tinyurl.com/6jb7l6

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 08/06/2008
- LarsGruber I'm a Fan of LarsGruber 35 fans permalink

I heard a rumor about that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 08/06/2008
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spam

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 08/06/2008
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No, it's a fun video

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 08/06/2008
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funny

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 08/06/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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WARNING: link crashed Safari.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 08/06/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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link c r a shes s af a ri. Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 08/06/2008

Everyone talks about the politicization of the DoJ. It's not the only one! The entire cabinet and the entire departments they head have been politicized. The DoJ is only the most overt, next to the military.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 08/06/2008
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There's going to have to be a wholesale housecleaning in every department to root out those who were hired to do the partisan dirty work for the Republicans.

It's not going to be easy, and it's not going to be pretty.

But it must be done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 08/06/2008
- Oldtt I'm a Fan of Oldtt 37 fans permalink
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They're all political appointees who will automatically resign anyway when GWB leaves. I doubt any of them will suffer consequences. However, the bigger fish who lied in testimony before committes of Congress need to be prosecuted to re-establish the concept of accountability.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 08/07/2008
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There will have to be a wholesale housecleaning in every department to root out those who were hired to do the dirty work for Booosh.

It won't be easy, and it won't be pretty.

But it must be done.

(If a similar comment posts from purga.tory, my apologies.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 08/06/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

Because it's scarier. Really. The Department of Education can't seize your assets and throw you in prison.

The DOJ can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 08/06/2008
- Superbus I'm a Fan of Superbus 27 fans permalink
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DOE is a disaster. Needs to be shut down. Ever since its creation SAT scores have dived.,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 08/06/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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You are correct. The EPA is a prime example.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 08/06/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

Please. It's easier to make a list of what they haven't destroyed.

They had these same idiot lawyers edit CDC findings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 08/06/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 148 fans permalink

The Department of Interior is my personal favorite cesspool of corruption.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 08/06/2008
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The earth is getting smaller everyday ... do these people really think they can hide from their crimes in the years to come?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 08/06/2008
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Well, binladen is doing a good job of it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 08/06/2008
- ejay579 I'm a Fan of ejay579 9 fans permalink
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True, except there is not enough caves in the US to hide these culprits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 08/06/2008
- Big0725 I'm a Fan of Big0725 23 fans permalink
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He ain't hiding. The Shrub needs him as a boogieman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 08/06/2008
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 281 fans permalink
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Let's get this right.

An employee of the Justice Department will not take orders????

Will not speak to their bosses team who are trying to find out information?

Hmm So Republican Attorneys can't be suspended without pay, held on contempt, or fired with attachments to their licenses to prastice laws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 08/06/2008
- ejay579 I'm a Fan of ejay579 9 fans permalink
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The article says current employees are required to testify. The suponeas were issued to former employees.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 08/06/2008
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Would a democrat controlled DOJ be any better? If history is to be a judge, I doubt it and therein lies the rub.

The only government agencies that are trusted anymore are the military, law enforcement , public health and public safety.

As George Will said, the last successful government program was WWII.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 08/06/2008
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The Justice Department would function far better under a Democratic administration.

You cannot prove otherwise, historically or not.

You're a liar, Shortbus.
No more.
No less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 08/06/2008
- Superbus I'm a Fan of Superbus 27 fans permalink
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Back from walking your pet rat already?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 08/06/2008
- LarsGruber I'm a Fan of LarsGruber 35 fans permalink

yes. note the lack of evidence cited.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 08/06/2008
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You must be very trusting. No government agency can be trusted right now. Health and public safety? Don't make me laugh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 08/06/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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Will is a partisan d1ck and a sh1tty "journalist." But on to your point, yes. It would be better than letting these ticks keep digging in deeper. It's time to clean house.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 08/06/2008
- DebbieKat I'm a Fan of DebbieKat 8 fans permalink

Um. I don't think any of those are trusted either. Military lies about people killed in combat and "progress" being made in war. Military is colluding with our government over contracts.

Law enforcement is constantly lying and now we have the video to prove it. Police brutality and use of tasers ad nauseum.

Public health -- right, the same people who are claiming that the avian flu is going to be a pandemic with no real proof so that we can all get mandatory vaccinations. The ones who say fluoride in water is a good thing. The ones who underreported new AIDS cases by about 16,000 per year in US. The ones who want to reduce inspections of mad cow disease... etc. etc.

Sure, I trust these agencies. Ha.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 08/06/2008
- meneghin I'm a Fan of meneghin 4 fans permalink

I wish you were right but I am afraid you are being a little too optimistic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 08/06/2008
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A noble quest for truth, or a delaying tactic?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 08/06/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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I don't think they want to delay
I think they're going to want this wrapped up in time for some Dubya Pardons as he steps out the WH doors

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 08/06/2008

Santa will be faxing W his naughty list and they want to be sure to be on it............

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 08/06/2008
- MizLiz I'm a Fan of MizLiz 61 fans permalink
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I don't see what good this is going to do. There's going to be lots of "I don't recalls" and taking the Fifth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 08/06/2008

That is quite possibly true...This admin has mastered not recalling anything - but nonetheless they must be asked the questions to preserve what little we can at this point.

If we do not insure they are asked (regardless of whether they answer) then we are no better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 08/06/2008
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 148 fans permalink

Isn't it amazing how bad everyones memory is?

They were bright individuals when they were hired. But have lost all long term memory.

Early onset Alzheimer's?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 08/06/2008
- Superbus I'm a Fan of Superbus 27 fans permalink
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They're attorneys. 'Nuff said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 08/06/2008
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