Keeping Up With The Energy Debate: Paris Hilton, Andy Revkin And More

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First Posted: 08- 6-08 02:55 PM   |   Updated: 09- 6-08 05:12 AM

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The great energy debate is getting more attention now than it seems to have ever gotten, which is great -- but it also means that things are getting a little confused. All kinds of people are weighing in from all kinds of corners and it's not easy to keep it all straight.

Here, we've collected samplings from some of the most recent big-name splashes in the energy debate. (Incidentally, there is even some debate over what the energy debate is -- does it occur between Obama and McCain? Between energy provider and consumer? Between homeowner and surge protector? Important distinctions, all!)

PARIS HILTON:

Yeah, it was only a matter of time after Obama said certain people "take pride in being ignorant" before we were likely to find a video of Paris Hilton talking about the environment. The video is the second time a Hilton has criticized the McCain's recent "celeb" attack ad, but it also entertains.

In the video, Paris feigns ignorance of such intricacies of the presidential campaigns as the candidates names, says she's glad to have been included in McCain's attack ad because it means she must be running for president and promises to reveal her energy plan -- which she does -- just after she reads up on where she can fly to get the best tan. Watch it here.

ANDY REVKIN:

What's the opposite of a Paris Hilton environment video? We suppose it would be the well-known New York Times environment blogger annotating Obama's energy speech. The insights are very non-partisan and downright pessimistic at times, not of Obama's energy plan and not of McCain's, but more of the difficulty of affecting a real energy revolution in the United States whatsoever. Take, for example, Revkin's note on the Obama passage here:

From the Obama speech: So when Senator McCain talks about the failure of politicians in Washington to do anything about our energy crisis, it's important to remember that he's been a part of that failure. Now, after years of inaction, and in the face of public frustration over rising gas prices, the only energy proposal he's really promoting is more offshore drilling -- a position he recently adopted that has become the centerpiece of his plan, and one that will not make a real dent in current gas prices or meet the long-term challenge of energy independence.

[Andy Revkin - Congress will probably remain the biggest hurdle for the energy policies of either Mr. McCain or Mr. Obama. Experts say the deeply embedded nature of hidden and not-so-hidden subsidies for the fuels of convenience, coal and oil, was built by both Democrats and Republicans. Former President Bill Clinton touches on this hard reality in a video interview from last year.]

EVERYBODY ELSE:

The Wall Street Journal's Environmental Capital blog rounds up the rest of the voices and opinions of late, ranging from McCain's renewed call for nuclear power to unfaltering proponents of carbon taxes to investing in energy. Click through for their roundup:

T. Boone Pickens' plan is a boondoggle, argues Holman Jenkins in the WSJ (sub reqd.). But not because he might get rich--the billionaire would get rich from realistic, achievable plans, not half-baked slogans, he argues. In any event, if the goal is to promote renewable energy, carbon taxes work better than subsidies, notes R-Squared. And even though both candidates are determined to press ahead with cap-and-trade schemes, Clive Crook says he's not giving up on his carbon-tax dream.
The great energy debate is getting more attention now than it seems to have ever gotten, which is great -- but it also means that things are getting a little confused. All kinds of people are weighing...
The great energy debate is getting more attention now than it seems to have ever gotten, which is great -- but it also means that things are getting a little confused. All kinds of people are weighing...
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- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 234 fans permalink

Sir, bottom the line .... Who talked about anything for 7 + yrs!!?? Seems to moi, along came Obama and talk is the new phenon!! In fact, that is Change!!!

As they say ... time is tight ... Obama says this time is ours! So what will be your talk and how much time will you need ... this time!!??

Vote Obama and get something done with our time!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 08/07/2008
- Russycle I'm a Fan of Russycle 2 fans permalink

Carbon cap-and-trading seems like another convoluted market to be manipulated and exploited. A carbon tax, seems like a simpler and more effective approach, even George Will supports it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 08/06/2008
- OldKnute I'm a Fan of OldKnute 106 fans permalink

Well,,,

The sad part is,, Europe gets it, China Gets it, Russia Gets it, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Germany, Japan, India all get it. Cars homes, factories, buildings,,, GREEN and happy,, Wind and Solar to ramp up, as fossil fuels decline.

Now,,,,, Paris Hilton,, even gets it!

Spend 700 Billion a year,,, start wars over oil,,,, another TRILLION or so, lie to the people, send the children off to war.

Or,, OR,,, get off our arses and do something.

GO Paris GO! Yeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

All the best

Knute Proud Neo-Hilton < ---------- Pant Suits not included!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 08/06/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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China gets it..?

China's Coal Seam Fires alone create as much CO2 as all the cars and light trucks in the United States, these are burning out of control and can be seen from space with the naked eye they then migrate eastward along the pollution band to California­..

That's not the coal they burn like crazy as their main energy source either..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 08/07/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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Lowering the current price of Oil and Gas is a different issue than energy independen­ce..?

This is due to the criminal manipulation of Oil prices by the traders on the Futures and Commodities Market..!

We can lower these prices in 30 days or less from 30-50% and then get to work on alternate energy advances and developmen­t...

It has nothing to do with drilling here or now or on the moon for that matter if we produce 4 million barrels per day which is unlikely, OPEC will cut it's production by that exact same amount...!

America uses 26 million barrels per day...

Europe 21 million per day...

China 7 million per day and 31/2 million of that is drilled by and in China...so they are only using an additional 3 1/2 million from the international market...

Despite what they tell you including Newt Gingrich, China's increased usage is not the cause for the price doubling in this last year...!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 08/06/2008
- OldKnute I'm a Fan of OldKnute 106 fans permalink

Well Darcy,, I happen to believe we should thank George Bush for all this.

Yep,, you heard me right.

If it were not for the excess of the Bush administration,,, his wars for oil,, his lying to the American public,,,, torture,,, water boarding,, secret prisons,,, No WMDs,, none of this would be possible.

Forget all the Extremist rants from the Radical Right,,, the TROLLS that haunt progressive Websites,, and GREEN Tech Sites,,, Bush and his cronies have BRANDED into the minds and psyches of 6 BILLION other human beings on this planet…

Fossil Fuels = Death
Fossil Fuels = Liability
Fossil Fuels = Dependency.
Fossil Fuels = WAR
Fossil Fuels = Pollution
Fossil Fuels = Governments out of control.
Fossil Fuels = Corruption
Fossil Fuels = Failed States.
Fossil Fuels = 4,000 American lives.
Fossil Fuels = Countless Iraqi lives.
Fossil Fuels = Destruction.
Fossil Fuels = Price Gouging.

Burnt into the memories of 6 BILLION PEOPLE.

All chanting,,, Never Again,,, Never Again,,, Never again.

Yes,, Bush did this for us,, and now McCain thinks we will forget.

May God find a mercy, beyond all mercy, and save this man.

History will NOT.

Watch!

All the best

Knute Neo-Hilton < ------ Pant Suits not included.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 08/07/2008
- mouselion I'm a Fan of mouselion 123 fans permalink
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Until we start talking about true energy independence (air power -- which is completely clean and as close to as free as possible) -- we are still hooked. Many people -- conservatives and progressives -- will fight my position. But we have the power to buck the moneyed lobbyists. It only takes folks admitting the truth and voting that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 08/06/2008

Andy, this is why we, bloggers and all, need to keep exposing the real truth. That our country is at the mercy of a few greedy men, as in lobbyists and their clients, oil and coal top executives.

http://lamarguerite.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/mccain-hostage-of-big-oil-interests/
http://lamarguerite.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/special-fossil-fuel-interests-blocking-progress-on-climate/

This folks, should be our top priority as citizens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 08/06/2008
- ibsteve2u I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u 137 fans permalink
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In short, it sounds like learning to grow your own vegetables may not be a bad idea. Wonder if I can keep a cow on the porch?

Hey - do you suppose Wal*Mart will build its own version of mom'n'pop grocery stores on every few blocks should driving around all of their predecessor's vacant shells to get to a "Superstore" become prohibitively expensive?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 08/06/2008
- mouselion I'm a Fan of mouselion 123 fans permalink
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Buy a cow and kick Wal Mart to the curb. Make Monsanto to stay away from your seeds. Make Repugs to stay away from your uterus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 08/06/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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We must develop alternate energy sources...

If we drill more Oil here OPEC will cut it's output by that exact same amount..!

We must address the "market manipulation" of Oil on the Commodities and Futures Market to reduce prices..!

If Obama hadn't taken so much money from Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley then he could be leading the charge and teaching America how the Republicans deregulation is bringing America to it's knees...

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=n00009638

We must get these loopholes and the energy market under control, the traders are doing to America what they did years back to California­...many of them Enron Alumni..

The Traders in these dark markets will pull back prices until a Republican is elected then raise prices back up even higher to make up for lost obscene profits...­!

This is perhaps the biggest swindle in world history..!

Do not confuse our need for alternate energy with reducing the current Gas and Oil prices due to criminal market manipulati­on...!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 08/06/2008
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