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Forty-seven years after he last looked out from behind the bars of a South Carolina jail cell, locked away for leading a march against segregation in Columbia, James Clyburn occupies a coveted suite of offices on the second and third floors of the United States Capitol, alongside the speaker and the House majority leader. Above his couch hangs a black-and-white photograph of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. speaking in Charleston, with the boyish Clyburn and a group of other men standing behind him onstage. When I visited Clyburn recently, he told me that the photo was taken in 1967, nine months before King's assassination, when rumors of violence were swirling, and somewhere on the side of the room a photographer's floodlight had just come crashing down unexpectedly. At the moment the photo was taken, everyone pictured has reflexively jerked their heads in the direction of the sound, with the notable exception of King himself, who remains in profile, staring straight ahead at his audience. Clyburn prizes that photo. It tells the story, he says, of a man who knew his fate but who, quite literally, refused to flinch. ...

It is hard for any outsider to fully understand the thinking that led many older black leaders to spurn the candidacy of a man who is now routinely pictured, along with '60s-era revolutionaries like Angela Davis and Malcolm X, on the T-shirts sold at the street-corner kiosks of black America. ("You'd be real embarrassed if he won and you wasn't down with it," the comedian Chris Rock joked to a Harlem audience while introducing Obama last November. "You'd say: 'Aww, I can't call him now! I had that white lady! What was I thinking?' ") Conversations like those I had with Clyburn and Lewis, however, begin to illuminate just how emotionally complicated such internal deliberations were. ...

The generational transition that is reordering black politics didn't start this year. It has been happening, gradually and quietly, for at least a decade, as younger African-Americans, Barack Obama among them, have challenged their elders in traditionally black districts. What this year's Democratic nomination fight did was to accelerate that transition and thrust it into the open as never before, exposing and intensifying friction that was already there. For a lot of younger African-Americans, the resistance of the civil rights generation to Obama's candidacy signified the failure of their parents to come to terms, at the dusk of their lives, with the success of their own struggle -- to embrace the idea that black politics might now be disappearing into American politics in the same way that the Irish and Italian machines long ago joined the political mainstream.

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Forty-seven years after he last looked out from behind the bars of a South Carolina jail cell, locked away for leading a march against segregation in Columbia, James Clyburn occupies a coveted suite o...
Forty-seven years after he last looked out from behind the bars of a South Carolina jail cell, locked away for leading a march against segregation in Columbia, James Clyburn occupies a coveted suite o...
 
 

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- maxwellinformed See Profile I'm a Fan of maxwellinformed permalink

This is actually a well written article. Don't let the title stop you from reading it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 08/07/2008
- Heru1 See Profile I'm a Fan of Heru1 permalink

Electoral politics is not the only kind of politics. No one has ever expected elected officials to represent less than all of his or her constituents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 AM on 08/07/2008
- Diogenis See Profile I'm a Fan of Diogenis permalink

Senator Obama has focused on taking down the walls that have separated our society, not defining what is black politics or what white politics are...but a country that is united. A new era of American politics is blossoming. It's about time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 08/06/2008
- murphysgirl See Profile I'm a Fan of murphysgirl permalink

An Obama presidency would bring a new era of "black politics." It's not just the issue of the struggle of the Civil Rights Movement, but also the accomplishments from it. Obama is the prime example of what is possible for a person of color. No longer will children be discouraged to feel as though their race is somehow an obstacle to achieve anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 08/06/2008
- OldKnute See Profile I'm a Fan of OldKnute permalink

Well,,

The reluctance of Black American Politicians is NOT,, NOT,, NOT,, reflected in the majority of black voters.

And Thank God all merciful they do NOT.

LOOK,, it is your toes that tell you when your shows are too tight,, not the BRAIN. The brain just registers the toes complaints. It is the WILL that comes into play and takes you to the store to find better fitting shoes.

It the Black Caucus or Black Political Movement dead, or on life support?

Hell NO!

The shoes are,,,,, STILL TOO TIGHT.

And the pain of the people is everywhere. White and Black.

You know why Martin Luther King found so much unanimity of support? It was not just the fire hoses, the Billy clubs and busted heads, faces filled with blood or the German Shepherds. It was his universality of the DREAM,, Little White boys and girls to sit down with little Black boys and girls and PLAY NICE!

That was the dream!

ALL children of America,,, learning a NEW way forward!!!!!

That was the MLK dream!

You want stong Black leadership in America?

THEN LEAD!

Stand on the shoulders of Giants,, AND LEAD!

Get every child, mother, Grandma, Grandpa, Street Floozies, Up-Town girl, the Crippled, the down and out, the comfortable Get-Alongs, the kids away at college behind you, get out the vote and,,,,, LEAD!

VOTE! VOTE, VOTE!

Vote, as if your life depended on it!


JMO

All the best

Knute Neo-LIB

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 08/06/2008
- Diogenis See Profile I'm a Fan of Diogenis permalink

P.S. And by all means..vote OBAMA 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 08/06/2008
- schoolmaster See Profile I'm a Fan of schoolmaster permalink

It would start with revisiting affirmative action. It may result in the assimilation of blacks into the main stream, and the division between blacks and whites will vanish, ad along with that the black politics. That may be good for the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 08/06/2008
- Diogenis See Profile I'm a Fan of Diogenis permalink

Sooo, ahh schoolmaster, does this imply white politics will vanish too?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 08/06/2008
- uheardme See Profile I'm a Fan of uheardme permalink

The end of white politics will be really good for this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 08/07/2008
- uheardme See Profile I'm a Fan of uheardme permalink

I wish white politics would go away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 08/07/2008
- lawchic See Profile I'm a Fan of lawchic permalink

No disrespect, but I don't understand the basis for your opinion. What exactly is the mainstream? And while I agree, that affirmative action needs to be "revisited" it is certainly not going to be any kind of racial cure.

I find it funny that people continue to point to affirmative action as the main culprit for the friction between Blacks and Whites when the reality is that White women are the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action programs across the board.

Division between Blacks and Whites will vanish when people get out of their comfort zone, gain some knowledge, and become more open minded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 08/06/2008
- SethBLiNK See Profile I'm a Fan of SethBLiNK permalink

Good article. Bad title.

An Obama Presidency won't bring the end of Black Politics, but it will bring a change to the way many people define Black Politics. In fact it has already brought that change and in fact one could say the change was already here and his successful candidacy is as much a result of it as a cause of its continuance.

There is such a tendency to generalize when it comes to ethnic issues. Pundits talk about the Black vote as if all African Americans got together in secret and decided as one how to vote. As in every group, there is diversity within the black community on political issues, and the biggest divides probably fall along generational lines. I don't know if these differences have ever been articulated more clearly than in Obama's "a more perfect union" speech where he not only described the areas where he and Rev. Wright part company but also showed how each, within the context of their experience, was right, or at least understandable.

One of the things that makes Obama such a good leader for these transitional times is that he's willing and able to look at all sides of a complex issue and to ask us all to do the same.

Hopefully, if an Obama presidency brings an end to any kind of politics, it's the kind that sees every issue as black and white, both literally and figuratively.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 08/06/2008
- uheardme See Profile I'm a Fan of uheardme permalink

"There is such a tendency to generalize when it comes to ethnic issues. Pundits talk about the Black vote as if all African Americans got together in secret and decided as one how to vote. As in every group, there is diversity within the black community on political issues, and the biggest divides probably fall along generational lines."

This is just one of many examples of why we need a competent and powerful Black media. We can't rely on Whites to be fair and informed about the "Black American" experience(s).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 08/07/2008
- gloriar8 See Profile I'm a Fan of gloriar8 permalink

Blacks are not monolithic. I was a civil rights protestor and I don't begrudge any black politician their success. There is no more controversy than some whites preferring Bush over Kerry. The rag NYT is back at it. Of course they don't get, that all the money they lost, they won't get back this way. Just a bunch of b.s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 08/06/2008
- ggmome See Profile I'm a Fan of ggmome permalink

Well, this article speaks volumns! Not to be comprehended by the Simple Simons, and should definately be discussed in depth with our own!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 08/06/2008
- Bados See Profile I'm a Fan of Bados permalink

Excluding the article itself, there is nothing in the article that shouldnt be for general consumption. Or discussed with our own as you put it. I see what you mean but this is not one of those cases. The premise is dumb so the sporatic valid point pales in comparison to the rediculousness of the whole idea. Dont let one or two good points fool you. So many articles all of a sudden revolving around race has nothing to do with their concern for the issue. Its to drum up hysteria. Most people would rather not hear about it. One thing for sure if McCain is elected, race will not be an issue under his rule. It will alway be an issue with Obama. Unfortunately it makes people uncomfortable. That's why people are dreaming up reasons to vote for McCain against their party and own interest. Thats how much of an issue race is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 08/06/2008
- Bados See Profile I'm a Fan of Bados permalink

Hysteria!!!!!!! The NEGROES ARE COMING THE NEGROES ARE COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a absolutely rediculous premise for an article. Of course its gonna be slightly informative, but the meat and potatoes is the thought that if you have a black president , the rest of you blacks should shut your complaining . Its obviously not that bad if you have a black president.
The mere thought of an Obama has some people literally freaking out. Including writers. This is another clear example. Keep in mind CNN posted an article posing the question is Obama to thin to be president.
90 days left. Operation tear down Obama is way behind schedule. Its panic time boys.!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 08/06/2008
- Diogenis See Profile I'm a Fan of Diogenis permalink

Wow, you reminded me of a time when the headlines stated: The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming! Now, stay cool Bados, Obama knows exactly what his schedule is. No one is freaking out. The media is desperate with their spastic journalism. Would they be more comfortable with a fat president with chins and a gut? Has our Country become that obese? Ha, everyone wants "thin" and "trim"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 08/06/2008
- scorpioleidy See Profile I'm a Fan of scorpioleidy permalink

What exactly is "Black Politics"??? Is that like "acting white" or something? Are politics for Blacks any different for Whites??? I find this headline/story insulting & disgusting!

Apparently, whites are not yet used to someone like Obama, who is not only educated, articulate, cultured, intelligent, charismatic, eloquent, handsom & so-o-o much more --- but, oh yeah ... he's half Black! OMG - how is it possible to have all these qualities ... and be Black???!!!

Should Blacks be "represented" politically by Jesse, Farrakhan & Al Sharpton??? As a Black woman, they all EMBARRASS me!!!

I feel such pride about BO and all that he's accomplished, and I feel he truly represents what Black America is truly about!

Obama '08 & '12

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 08/06/2008
- Actionmac See Profile I'm a Fan of Actionmac permalink

Not only Black America, but he represents the greatness of what America has to offer ALL it's people and why people outside want into this country...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 08/06/2008
- Sarahjan See Profile I'm a Fan of Sarahjan permalink

The GOP leadership knows that race and racism are as American as an Apple pie, and that is that is the reason why the GOP is not afraid to use race baiting to win elections. When will those whites in the left are going to figure out this thing and make plans designed winning elections despite the fact the nation is not really color blind!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 08/06/2008
- Ides See Profile I'm a Fan of Ides permalink

I don't know. Did George Washington getting the presidency signal an end to white politics?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 08/06/2008
- CintiBlue See Profile I'm a Fan of CintiBlue permalink

Read the article.

It's far more informative, and thought provoking, than the headline.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 08/06/2008
- Seven7s See Profile I'm a Fan of Seven7s permalink

So long as white males are the dominant group in this country every race will have something to fight for, no matter how small or large.

1. Women will complain about sexism in corperate America and society.
2. Mexicans will complain about immigration
3. Blacks willc omplain about police brutality and racism in society
4. Asain willc omplain about sterotyping in society and in media (and thats on the rare occurance that they actually get a job in front of the big screen)

There will always be a fight to be had for every race or demographic. To say Obama is the end is crazy. If anything he'll make it stronger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 08/06/2008
- Diogenis See Profile I'm a Fan of Diogenis permalink

Well, think about it. The day will come when a Muslim runs for the Office of President of the United States. The black/white issues will disappear then. America, the land of opportunity where...all are equal. Lady Liberty is smiling as she winks her eye.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 08/06/2008
- robXdion See Profile I'm a Fan of robXdion permalink

And whose fault will that be? The race issue has always really been a problem of white attitudes. You can't blame minorities for reacting to their human dignity being maligned. As if they should just lay back, take it and never speak about it because the truth makes whites uncomfortable? That's the current mentality behind accusing blacks of playing the "race card". It's now seen as more egregious to point out prejudiced behavior and words than being the actual offender. What a convenient twist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 08/06/2008
- Diogenis See Profile I'm a Fan of Diogenis permalink

So, would that card be the ace of spades? Not

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 08/06/2008
- biglover See Profile I'm a Fan of biglover permalink

Good post and I agree 100%

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 08/06/2008
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