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U.S. Attorney Scandal Probe Enters White House Circle

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August 7, 2008 02:16 PM



The Justice Department investigation into the firings of nine U.S. attorneys has been extended to encompass allegations that senior White House officials played a role in providing false and misleading information to Congress, according to numerous sources involved in the inquiry.

The widened scope raises the possibility that investigators will pursue criminal charges against some administration officials, and recommend appointment of a special prosecutor if there is evidence of criminal misconduct.

The investigators have been specifically probing the role of White House officials in the drafting and approval of a Feb. 23, 2007 letter sent to Congress by the Justice Department denying that Karl Rove (President Bush's chief political adviser at the time) had anything to do with the firing of Bud Cummins, a U.S. Attorney from Arkansas. Cummins was fired in Dec. 2006 to make room for Tim Griffin, a protégé and former top aide of Rove's.

The February 23 letter stated, "The department is not aware of Karl Rove playing any role in the decision to appoint Mr. Griffin," and that the Justice Department was "not aware of anyone lobbying, either inside or outside of the administration, for Mr. Griffin's appointment."

Federal investigators have obtained documents showing that Kyle Sampson, then-chief of staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, and Chris Oprison, then an associate White House counsel, drafted and approved the letter even though they had first-hand knowledge that the assertions were not true. The Justice Department later had to repudiate the Sampson-Oprison letter and sent a new one informing Congress that it could no longer stand by the earlier assertions.

The Justice Department's Inspector General (IG) and the Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) are jointly conducting the current investigation. Both can initiate disciplinary action only against Justice Department employees and neither has prosecutorial powers.

People close to the investigation say that the investigators' final report will not only examine the reasons and circumstances behind the firings of the nine U.S. attorneys, but efforts by senior Justice Department and White House officials to mislead the public and Congress about the firings:

"It will be as much about the cover up as about the firings," said one former senior Justice Department interviewed at length because of his personal role in the firings. This source believes the investigators "are going to tell a narrative, and they have taken their investigation right into the White House."

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If the IG and OPR believe that there is evidence of potential criminal wrongdoing, or evidence of wrongdoing by officials outside its jurisdiction altogether, they can recommend that the Justice Department initiate a criminal investigation.

If senior administration officials or White House officials come under suspicion, a special prosecutor would likely be named.

While a central focus for investigators apparently has been the role played by aides to Rove in the Griffin matter, some witnesses to the investigation told me that they have been asked specifically about Rove's own personal efforts.

Two former senior Justice Department officials, former Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty and principal Associate General William Moscella, have separately provided damaging information to the two internal investigative agencies.

Both, according to sources familiar with their still-confidential testimony, said they inadvertently gave misleading testimony to Congress about the firings of the U.S. attorneys because they were misled by Rove himself in addition to other White House figures.

In his March 6, 2007, testimony to Congress, Moscella contended that all but one U.S. attorney was fired because of issues related to their performance. When specifically asked if Rove played any role in the firings, he testified: "I don't know that he played any role."

But one day before the congressional testimony, on March 5, 2007, McNulty and Moscella attended a strategy session at the White House in which they discussed Moscella's testimony and how he should answer allegations that most of the U.S. attorneys were fired because of politics.

McNulty and Moscella told investigators that among the attendees were Rove and Sampson, then Gonzales' chief of staff. Neither Rove nor Sampson, both men told investigators, told them anything about their own role in the firings even as they encouraged Moscella to say politics had nothing to do with it.

One senior Bush administration official told me that White House staffers talk about their "nightmare scenario" in which any one of the three currently internal DOJ probes "spins out of control" and leads to the appointment of a special prosecutor with broad authority.

And the probe by the Justice Department's IG and OPR and firings of nine U.S. attorneys is only one of three internal DOJ investigations that have the potential of morphing into criminal probes of the Bush administration--and even the appointment of a special prosecutor. DOJ's IG is probing whether former Attorney General Gonzales testified truthfully to Congress about the administration's warrantless electronic eavesdropping program. A probe by OPR is investigating whether government attorneys acted within the law in authorizing and overseeing the eavesdropping program.

Former and current Justice Department investigators caution against assuming that just because White House officials are being scrutinized, a criminal investigation or one conducted by a special prosecutor will be the likely result. They noted that the threshold for initiating a criminal probe is relatively high, and the standard for appointing a special prosecutor even higher.

They also said that cases involving false statements to Congress are considered by prosecutors one of the most difficult to prove, which in turn could lead officials to be reluctant to act in either requesting a criminal probe or pressing for a special prosecutor in the first place.

A spokesman for the Inspector General declined to comment about any aspect of the investigation because the probe is still ongoing.

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Apparently, advances in the investigations have been spurred by key emails that the Bush administration has withheld from Congress--claiming executive privilege--and that have now been obtained by DOJ investigators.

Among other things those documents show that Oprison, the associate White House counsel, knew that Rove was involved in the US Attorney firing when he reviewed drafts of the letter and approved final language claiming Rove was not involved.

Some of these emails withheld from Congress based on claims of executive privilege were provided to me by an administration official for this National Journal story posted on May 10,, 2007.

Additional emails and other material withheld and not provided to Congress were made available to me for this story.

A senior Justice Department official said in an interview that it was the discovery of a December 19, 2006, e-mail from Sampson to Oprison--in which Sampson wrote that "getting [Griffin] appointed was important" to Rove and to then-White House Counsel Harriet Miers--that prompted the Justice Department to repudiate the February 23, 2007 letter to four Senate Democrats.

The Dec. 19, 2005 email clearly suggests that both Sampson and Orpison had reason to believe that the letter that Sampson drafted and Oprison edited and approved was false.

Confronted with the email after it was made public, Sampson was asked during testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee on March 27, 2007 whether Rove had advocated for Griffin to be made a U.S. attorney:

"I knew that [then-White House political director] Sara Taylor and [Taylor's then deputy] Scott Jennings had expressed interest in promoting Mr. Griffin for appointment to be U.S. attorney, and I assumed, because they reported to Karl Rove, that he was interested in that," Sampson testified.

So why did Sampson draft and approve the letter saying that there had been no involvement by Rove?

His explanation to the Senate Judiciary Committee was this: "In February, when I participated in the drafting of that [February 23] letter, I did not remember then ever having talked [directly] to Mr. Rove about it. I don't remember now ever having talked to Mr. Rove about it. I'm not sure whether Mr. Rove was supportive of Mr. Griffin's appointment."

Before drafting the letter, Sampson made no further effort to talk to Rove, Taylor (who as White House Political Director was Rove's top aide), or to Jennings as to whether the allegations were true, Sampson's attorney Brad Berenson told me in an interview.

Sampson did, however, send the letter to the White House for Oprison for review. According to Berenson, in sending the letter, Sampson was relying on Oprison to see that it was accurate. Berenson told me:

"Kyle didn't want to traffic in assumptions, so he circulated the letter to the White House for confirmation whether what he believed to be true was accurate or not. He drafted the letter according to his understanding of the facts, and he circulated it beforehand to other people for clearance to assure that it accorded with their understanding of the facts."

Why did Oprison in turn approve the letter to be sent knowing what he knew?

Tony Fratto, a White House spokesman, told me that Oprison "had no reason to believe" that the reference to Rove was inaccurate and cleared the letter. Asked about the December 19 e-mail in which Sampson told Oprison that Griffin's appointment was important to Rove and Miers, Fratto said: "Chris did not recall Karl's interest when he reviewed the letter."

Oprison, in turn, consulted with White House Counsel Fred Fielding and Deputy White House Counsel Bill Kelley in approving the draft of the letter, according to a review of White House records undertaken in response to questions for this story.

Did Oprison, Fielding, or Kelly think to seek out Rove and Rove aides Taylor and Jennings to see if they played any role in seeking Cummins to be fired and Griffin named to replace him?

Fratto told me that Oprison and others in the White House counsel were relying on Sampson that such was not the case: "We have no record of that letter even leaving the White House counsel's office."

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Sampson also played a central role in the drafting of a January 31, 2007 letter from acting Assistant Attorney General Richard Hertling to Sen. Mark Pryor (D-AR) implying that the White House had never contemplated using an obscure provision in the USA PATRIOT Act to install Griffin as a U.S. attorney without Senate confirmation.

Gonzales and Sampson later changed course completely--when confronted with evidence to the contrary--and testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee that the Bush administration did indeed consider using the PATRIOT Act to install Griffin as a federal prosecutor.

Under an obscure provision in the act, the President had authority to permanently install interim U.S. attorneys without their being confirmed by the Senate. Pryor suspected that this was exactly what was going on--which later turned out to be the case. But the Bush administration still misled him into thinking otherwise.

Records withheld from Congress by the Bush administration because of claims of executive privilege--but allowed to be reviewed by IG and OPR investigators--show that Oprison once again assisted Sampson in drafting the response to Congress.

Despite the fact that Justice Department records show that Sampson and Oprison worked closely together devising the original plan to install Griffin as U.S. attorney under the PATRIOT Act provisions, both men helped write a letter to Congress saying that such plans never existed.

The January 31, 2007 letter to Pryor contended that "not once" had the Bush "administration sought to avoid the Senate confirmation process" by exploiting the PATRIOT Act.

In drafting the letter, Sampson consulted with Sara Taylor. Taylor had been aware of the possible use of the PATRIOT Act to permanently install Griffin, according to withheld administration papers.

In an e-mail to Sampson, after it appeared that Griffin's appointment as U.S. attorney was in trouble, Taylor wrote: "I'm concerned we imply that we'll pull down Griffin's nomination should Pryor object."

A senior executive branch official who read the e-mail said that it demonstrates that Taylor signed off on the letter despite the fact that she, Oprison, and other White House officials knew that the administration had indeed considered using the PATRIOT Act to make Griffin a U.S. attorney.

Fratto, the White House spokesman, contends that the email does not show that Taylor wanted to utilize the PATRIOT Act to appoint Griffin but instead only indicated that Taylor wanted Griffin confirmed the ordinary way. "We battle with the Senate with nominations every day," Fratto said. "It is very important to us.... That's what Sara was saying: 'We shouldn't imply we're willing to walk away from the nomination.'"

But sources familiar with Sampson's interview with Justice's Inspector General tell me that Sampson told quite a different story: that Taylor, Jennings, and Oprison all had repeatedly pressed him to utilize the PATRIOT Act to install Griffin and other potential U.S. attorney candidates without Senate confirmation.

Documents made public after Sampson, Taylor, and Oprison collaborated on their letter to Pryor indicate that Sampson himself wanted to invoke the PATRIOT Act to install Griffin--party because he thought it was important to Rove.

On December 19, 2006, Sampson e-mailed Oprison with his own detailed strategy to have Griffin stay permanently as U.S. attorney, utilizing the PATRIOT Act: "I think we should gum this to death... ask the Senators to give Tim a chance. meet with him. give him some time in office to see how he performs, etc. they ultimately say, 'no never' (and the longer they forestall the better). Then we can tell them we'll look for other candidates, and otherwise run out the clock. All of this should be done in 'good faith' of course."

By that time, Griffin would have been able to serve out the remainder of the Bush administration because of his appointment as interim U.S. attorney under the emergency provisional authority of the PATRIOT Act.

Sampson added in his e-mail: "The only thing really at work here is a repeal of the AG's appointment authority. There is some risk that we'll lose that authority, but if we don't ever exercise it then what's the point of having it."

Then Sampson concluded his email by saying: "I'm not 100 percent sure that Tim was the guy on which to test drive this authority, but know that getting him appointed was important to Harriet, Karl, etc.," The reference is to Harriet Miers and Karl Rove.

The day after the email was sent, Cummins formally resigned as U.S. attorney and Griffin was named as his interim replacement. Cummins told me that officials at Justice sped up the timetable on his departure, going so far as to call him on a cell phone when he was on a hunting trip with his son to say he must leave on December 20. The abrupt demand for Cummins' departure on that date appears to indicate that Sampson and the White House were attempting to implement their plan.

Berenson, Sampson's attorney, told me that the letter Sampson had helped draft and approved to be sent to Congress was technically accurate because Sampson and Oprison never ultimately implemented the plan to install Griffin as U.S. attorney through the PATRIOT Act provision. "The principals never adopted it, and it was never done," Berenson said. "The statement in the letter is accurate."

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It is still unknown what conclusions the Inspector General will reach in his much anticipated forthcoming report on the firings of nine U.S. attorneys.

But it is clear that a priority for his investigation is whether top Justice Department political appointees and senior White House officials purposely mislead Congress about the firings. Many of those whose conduct has been scrutinized have had senior positions in the administration or the White House: Kyle Sampson was the chief of staff to the Attorney General of the United States. Sara Taylor was White House political director. Scott Jennings was Taylor's deputy as well as a top aide to Rove. And Karl Rove is, of course, Karl Rove.

Several of those people, under federal regulations, could be the subject of an investigation by a special prosecutor if Fine believes there is evidence of potential crimes.

At a minimum, if two other reports that Inspector General Fine has already made public about the politicization of the Justice Department during the Bush administration are any guide, the report on the firing of nine U.S. attorneys will be scathing and contain new disclosures embarrassing to the White House.

Whether the fears of administration officials--their "nightmare scenario" of top White House officials having to face a criminal investigation or even be probed by a special prosecutor turns out to be the case--remains to be seen.

 
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- amst I'm a Fan of amst 9 fans permalink

It'snot surprise to most of us here, that crimes were committed and/or at the very least many many incidents need to be investigated. They are just now figuring it out?

What a very sad state of affairs when we don'thave faith in not only our leaders BUT the media, who many many times over has been given reason to pound the pavement and pursue a story. Yet, they prefer to be the puppets of the worst administration in history. How shameful this will go down in history as a huge scab on American. I wish there were a huge book of some kind, that "we" who have consistently questioned the crimes of this Administration, could sign our names so our ancestors will see it wasn't us that didn't want answers. I'd like history to know just how large a group we were that "knew" something was terribly wrong with this President and his clan. I want them to know how many protests, phone calls, e-mails begging of our congress people to pursue, BUT to no avail.

I'm not hopeful at all that this will be investigated, though that would be my prayer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 08/07/2008
- lobear00 I'm a Fan of lobear00 25 fans permalink

All three branches of "Our Government have been infested with "Corruption since the "Bush/Cheny Regime took office. Every word from the mouth of "Bush has been nothing but "Lies".
It stands to reason that anyone in that came in with the "Lairs cannot be trusted to tell the truth about anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 08/07/2008
- soupson52 I'm a Fan of soupson52 13 fans permalink

Amen. From your mouth to God's ears.
I want folks to know, like you, that I saw it coming. BTW, so did my politically astute children, who will bear the brunt much more than me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 08/07/2008
- Collielady I'm a Fan of Collielady 84 fans permalink
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For your descendants you can only do as I am, which is to occasionally print your posts on this site and other sites, and print your emails and letters to your congressmen and to your local newspapers. Then file that material in a fire safe. History will then become the lesson and it will show that you did what you could, along with the rest of us, and the truth seekers of the future will find their strength from you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 08/08/2008
- PatCroft I'm a Fan of PatCroft 14 fans permalink
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When we cannot bring all of these people to justice, and I mean all of them, then there is no justice and we might as well free the one percent of the population that is confined because of justice. At least the fifty percent of them that were caught smoking a joint. The irony is incredible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 08/07/2008
- soupson52 I'm a Fan of soupson52 13 fans permalink

So true

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 08/07/2008

Be patient, dear. Truth wavers not, Justice remains perched on top and Time has not either forgot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 08/08/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

We can only imagine such great things could come to pass, but, unfortunately, there is little evidence that it will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 AM on 08/08/2008
- Vinca I'm a Fan of Vinca 6 fans permalink

heyjoe: I like your poetry, they say, TRUTH WILL OUT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 AM on 08/08/2008
- Collielady I'm a Fan of Collielady 84 fans permalink
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I'm with you. Justice is supposed to be blind, so I say open all the prison doors.

Speaking of justice, how ironic is it that this murdering, war monger of a president, of all people, was a governor who enjoyed enforcing the death penalty on others for ... murder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 08/08/2008
- Diogenis I'm a Fan of Diogenis 65 fans permalink

To be "blunt" , there is no justice. Illusion !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 AM on 08/08/2008
- gotalife I'm a Fan of gotalife 22 fans permalink

Nice article Murray.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 08/07/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 324 fans permalink
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Brace yourselves Reepers.
This will be the first of many investigations launched into the dealings of the 43 administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 08/07/2008
- soupson52 I'm a Fan of soupson52 13 fans permalink

God, I hope you are right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 08/07/2008
- Vinca I'm a Fan of Vinca 6 fans permalink

ChiGuy: MAYBE THE SWEATER IS BECOMING UNRAVELED

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 AM on 08/08/2008
- Vinca I'm a Fan of Vinca 6 fans permalink

ChiGuy: Lord knows, there's PLENTY THAT NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED IN THIS ADMIN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 AM on 08/08/2008
- strick9 I'm a Fan of strick9 11 fans permalink

better look closely at 41.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 08/08/2008
- Teckwreck I'm a Fan of Teckwreck 2 fans permalink

If the few remaining forces of integrity, regardless of party, do not "pin on a pair", we won't have Bush/Cheney to blame. There is an ethos in the country that has pervaded every level, public and private, which believes the appearance of something is more important than the reality. It is Pogo revisited.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 08/07/2008
- livesimply I'm a Fan of livesimply 25 fans permalink
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If they get away with this crap, all narcissists, thieves, and liars paying the slightest bit of attention, will believe they can justify anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 08/07/2008
- Diogenis I'm a Fan of Diogenis 65 fans permalink

Have enough money? Anything can be justified. Have enough power? One becomes invincible! Beware of Lady Justice. She has her price.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 AM on 08/08/2008
- SCG2 I'm a Fan of SCG2 24 fans permalink

This soap opera just circles on it's self with no readily apparent purpose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 08/07/2008
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Sadly, the rule of law, as laid out by the Constitution is being ignored or manipulated.

At first, I blamed the many Demo and Repub politicians that have been too afraid to discuss the crimes and reveal the obvious criminals for fear of losing their power.

After speaking with Vincent Bugliosi, I realize that we, as Americans, are the only ones that can truely defend our Constitution. After 9/11, it seemed as if we were required to go to war, no matter what. Worse, there was a thinly veiled anger by the average American towards those that doubted the obvious lies that conveniently supported this "Rush to War."

I am hoping that there will be a District Attorney with enough character to prosecute The Scrub in Chief for Murder. Only then, will 12 American citizens have the ability to defend and restore some respect for the Rule of Law and our great Constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 08/07/2008
- nirek I'm a Fan of nirek 88 fans permalink
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I'm reading Vince's book now and all I can say is, put me on the jury, PLEASE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 AM on 08/08/2008
- layman I'm a Fan of layman 21 fans permalink

Gonzo, a piece of crap, from some high institution of higher learning in Texas.call­ed Rice.
Boosh, another piece of crap from some hell high institution of hell high learning called Harvard or Yale.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 08/07/2008
- qdog112 I'm a Fan of qdog112 68 fans permalink
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Bush - a product of affirmative action - legacy style. That guy couldn't qualify for trade school. (nothing against trade school, but it ain't Ivy League)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 08/07/2008
- soupson52 I'm a Fan of soupson52 13 fans permalink

And they hate it that O is intelligent. Isn' t this pathetic?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 08/07/2008
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This Administration has been reckless and irresponsible with long standing traditions of excellence at the Justice Dept. This is appalling and unforgivable IMHO. Every American should understand that when an Administration undermines the rule of law and behaves with such disrespect towards the efforts made by so many honorable men going back to the birth of this nation, our Democracy is imperiled.

It is essential that, if the allegations are true, Rove, Gonzales, Moscella and the rest of this malignancy that has infected our judicial system be dealt with sternly. I personally think Rove should be sent to prison for such an egregious abuse of political power and influence. Why? Because what he did affected an entire nation and corrupted principals that are the bedrock of this democracy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 08/07/2008
- JTyroler I'm a Fan of JTyroler 21 fans permalink
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I wonder what the odds are of Presidential pardons before anyone actually goes to jail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 08/07/2008
- macbabe I'm a Fan of macbabe 103 fans permalink
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100 to 1 they are ALL pardoned!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 08/07/2008
- nunzia I'm a Fan of nunzia 31 fans permalink

Very likely.
W and Darth do what they damn well please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 08/07/2008
- Podewumun I'm a Fan of Podewumun 32 fans permalink

I doubt anyone can be pardoned without being convicted of a crime first, however, at this late date, no one in the current administration could possibly be convicted of anything before Bush's term is up. That's not to say the whole lot of them couldn't be indicted AFTER they leave office. Maybe that's why Nancy took impeachment "OTT".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 08/07/2008
- Peteyman I'm a Fan of Peteyman 2 fans permalink

Well, it could be that Congress isn't doing squat because they know Bush will just pardon all of them. I think they're gambling on an Obama win.

But one thing remains constant,

Contempt of Court (Rove)= Jail

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 08/07/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

I just think we're in the same place we've been for years.

The Justice Department still has to make a referral, right?

"prosecute" has an independent meaning: it means to carry something forward that has begun. That's the sticking point.

We still don't have a prosecutor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 08/07/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 620 fans permalink
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There are no crimes or the opposition party would have prosecuted by now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 08/07/2008

There is no opposition party or they would have prosecuted by now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 08/07/2008
- wedgie I'm a Fan of wedgie 17 fans permalink
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Terrific article. Very thorough.

I love the idea that there is fear creeping about in the halls of the Bush White House. A lot of 20 something staffers who are suddenly worried about getting subpoenaed.

Nice.

**

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 08/07/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

I listened to Ashcroft's analogy about a "speed limit" during the latest torture inquiry.

He said the torture memos were like new speed limit sign. That they replaced the SIGNS but never violated the old speed limit.

They're using the same type of excuses here: we proposed illegal things, but, trust us, we never ACTED on them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 08/07/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 620 fans permalink
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They asked him if there was anything that needed to be changed in order to maintain the balance of power so the Executive branch doesn't run amok, he said no, the Constitution has worked as intended. These people are brainwashed , scum of the earth. Jim Jones would welcome them all aboard the straight to hell express.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 08/07/2008
- begabug I'm a Fan of begabug 271 fans permalink
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Sounds about right, just like speed limit signs. When's the last time you saw anyone obeying those? 1952?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 08/07/2008
- john85msy I'm a Fan of john85msy 3 fans permalink

Ubelievable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 08/07/2008
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