Rich Town In The Hamptons Claims Poverty

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FRANK ELTMAN | August 8, 2008 04:55 PM EST | AP

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This May 2007 file photo supplied by Town & Country Real Estate shows a Hamptons' oceanfront property, seen from the air, which was for rent for $350,000 for the summer season, on Marine Blvd in Amagansett, N.Y. Strolling the sidewalks of nearby East Hampton on a sunny summer afternoon, there would be little hint of the uproar brewing at Town Hall. But a downgrade in the town's credit rating by a major Wall Street agency amid a budget deficit that could pass $12 million is stirring calls by some for the ouster of the entire town board, particularly its three-term incumbent supervisor. (AP Photo/Town & Country Real Estate, File)

EAST HAMPTON, N.Y. — The social calendar is still a whirl of glamorous lawn parties, wine tastings, gallery openings, beach get-togethers and gala benefits in the Hamptons, the summer playground for the millionaire Learjet Set. But down at Town Hall, the local government could use a handout.

East Hampton, one of the main towns on the eastern end of Long Island that make up the Hamptons, is burdened with a deficit that could exceed $12 million. And that has become a rich source of irony, given the community's spectacular wealth and its concentration of Wall Street money-management talent.

"LEA$T HAMPTON IS GOING BROKE; GLAM TOWN $12M IN THE HOLE," screamed a recent New York Post headline.

Exactly how the town got into this mess is under investigation. The state comptroller is reviewing the books, and the district attorney has subpoenaed records.

Town Supervisor William McGintee acknowledged making mistakes since taking office in 2004 but said he is also a victim of economic circumstances, including rising health care costs for employees and waning tax revenue because of the downturn in real estate.

"Everybody perceives East Hampton to be the home of the rich and famous," said McGintee, the target of a petition drive to remove him from office. "When the summer's over, it's just the same old town just like all these other towns."

While East Hampton is home to billionaires and celebrities such as financier Ronald Perelman, Alec Baldwin and Steven Spielberg, the Hamptons also have a large number of working-class people, many of them illegal immigrants, who mow the lawns, trim the hedges, clean the swimming pools, park the cars, serve the hors d'oeuvres, tidy up the mansions and do many of the other things that make life so enjoyable for the rich.

East Hampton _ which includes such hamlets as Montauk and Amangansett and parts of Sag Harbor _ has about 21,000 year-round residents, but its population can swell to 80,000 or 90,000 in the summer, when the haves and the have-mores show up.

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"There really are two Hamptons," said McGintee's predecessor, Jay Schneiderman. "The disparity between rich and poor is probably unmatched anywhere in the world. You have the heads of multinational corporations, billionaires, but of the year-round population, half the work force are undocumented immigrants living below the poverty level."

The wealthy do pay huge property-tax bills. But East Hampton has also been very generous to residents of all income levels.

The town operates its own airport, where Learjets and helicopters shuttle the beautiful people to their playgrounds. East Hampton also spends $100,000 a year for a day-care program for working families and $710,000 annually for free YMCA membership for all the town's children. A theater group for the handicapped gets $30,000 a year, and there are nutrition and transportation programs for senior citizens.

The town replenishes its harbors with clams, oysters and scallops and recently bought $100,000 worth of beach rakes to keep the shoreline clean. In the fall, residents do not have to bag and dispose of their leaves themselves; the town lets homeowners rake them to the curb, where a giant vacuum truck sucks them up and hauls them away at a cost estimated by McGintee at $300,000 to $400,000 a year.

Over the years, town leaders have been reluctant to raise taxes, because that could harm the many working-class folks struggling to pay their bills, and hurt the politicians on Election Day, too. But now they may have to cut services and increase taxes after all.

"We need to explore all avenues of savings," McGintee said. "I don't mind providing the programs, but what the general public has to understand is that we don't manufacture money here."

A state lawmaker recently pushed through legislation giving the town a credit line of up to $15 million. But the money borrowed is going to have to be repaid somehow.

Much has the blame has fallen on McGintee.

"He's been spending more than he's taking in," said Bill Wilkinson, the former head of personnel for the Walt Disney Co. He lost to McGintee in last November's election after arguing the incumbent was ill-equipped to oversee a $70 million budget.

East Hampton resident Don Cirillo, who as former chairman of the National Federation of Municipal Analysts knows something about the topic, said: "Somebody was clearly not paying attention to the bottom line."

EAST HAMPTON, N.Y. — The social calendar is still a whirl of glamorous lawn parties, wine tastings, gallery openings, beach get-togethers and gala benefits in the Hamptons, the summer playground...
EAST HAMPTON, N.Y. — The social calendar is still a whirl of glamorous lawn parties, wine tastings, gallery openings, beach get-togethers and gala benefits in the Hamptons, the summer playground...
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- Bettysdad I'm a Fan of Bettysdad 59 fans permalink
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The author makes the mistake in connecting the wealth of a town's residents to the town's tax revenue.

These people have armies of lawyers and accountants doing nothing all day but finding ways to avoid contributing to society.

Several years ago, computer seller Steve Dell petitioned his local tax board for a tax break on his mansion. He got it.

That's the mindset we're dealing with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 08/09/2008
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You're right. That is ALL these rich people do is find ways to avoid paying their fare share, even in their own little community. Party affiliations have nothing to do with it either since most old money is conservative and new money less so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 08/09/2008
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People don't suddenly lose their penny-pinching attitude if they're lucky enough to become a billionaire. When you try to explain to them that paying just a little extra is fair because their fortune is produced through the sweat and toil of thousands down their money chain, some balk at the suggestion. "I'm worth every penny and I shouldn't pay a penny more than the rate at which my $20k/year janitors are being taxed."

It’s takes one man or woman to support the salary of a janitor. It may take one hundred thousand people to support the salary of a billionaire. This is why conservatives are wrong about taxation. You should pay at a slightly higher rate than others because your wealth depends on thousands working on your behalf every day!

Taxation should always be progressive. The more you make, the more you should pay within a reasonable percentage that keeps entrepreneurial spirit alive and investment healthy. Many wealthy people are ok with this as long as the money spent is done so in a frugal and sensible manner. The magnanimous Warren Buffet comes to mind as someone who would be amenable to this kind of a tax.

In the last 8 years, this Administration has moved the country closer to a neutral tax. This is unfair, greedy and not sustainable to maintain a health middle class, quality of life, sturdy infrastructure and clean environment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 08/09/2008
- cobobs I'm a Fan of cobobs 33 fans permalink
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What a revolutionary idea!

It looks that way after years of entitlement hunting and justification by the superrich. These people are so used to welfare, it is scandalous!

The answer to this problem is political.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 AM on 08/11/2008
- Tom95134 I'm a Fan of Tom95134 54 fans permalink
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You can start by applying some pretty hefty landing fees to those Learjets and helicopters. I'm sure the "working" people out there won't get hit with thise

Next thing to do is cut out that $300,000 to $400,000 leaf sucking machine.

There is always a "special assessment" that could be based on the size and value of the property. I'm sure that the size of the police department has to be significantly larger just to satisfy the demands for extra police patrols resulting from the high valued the estates.

Sorry, but I just fund it impossible to come up with too much sympathy for the people that own those big estates in the Hamptons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 08/09/2008
- Tom95134 I'm a Fan of Tom95134 54 fans permalink
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One thing I forgot. I use to live in New York and I know that many of those estates in the Hamptons are tax shelters for the rich. When they are not using the place they are rented out (which is most of the time). I'd suggest some kind of assessment based on whether the land/property is used for income.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 08/09/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 284 fans permalink

Well if you use the place for more than two weeks of the year.. your deduction is limited to the amount of rent received since its considered a vacation home... not much of a tax shelter anymore. Even the interest deduction on a house and/or second house is highly limited once your income is over 500K.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 08/09/2008
- allison I'm a Fan of allison 2 fans permalink
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Previous post got lost somewhere. Anyway, if the airport is for the benefit of only the wealthy, which obviously it is, privatize the airport. Let those who benefit from it underwrite the cost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 08/09/2008
- Bettysdad I'm a Fan of Bettysdad 59 fans permalink
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Privatization only benefits the privatizers . Raise the rates to say, 100k per use by the largest planes. Then the beneficiaries will underwrite the cost.

Now, some wannbe economist will say the planes will go elsewhere.

1- they have extremely little choice,

2- the few other will raise rates also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 08/09/2008
- rwe I'm a Fan of rwe 21 fans permalink

this illustrates how socialst entitlement programs bankrupt a society ....The liberal way .tax entitle and spend DO NOT WORK.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 08/09/2008
- jcwtts1 I'm a Fan of jcwtts1 158 fans permalink
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Yeah lets cut out all the free hand outs, start with the oil companies, and airline bailouts and when you get to the poor schlub on food stamps we can talk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 08/09/2008

It's outrageous that residents of East Hampton have to pay anything to anybody. Why can't the undocumented workers work for free? Or indenture themselves for life. Geez these workers are such socialists--wanting to get paid above the poverty level and all. And, what's with all the sympathy for disabled people? Can't they pull their own weight?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 08/09/2008
- mimsnpips I'm a Fan of mimsnpips 12 fans permalink
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East Hampton is not a good illustration of anywhere except maybe Beverly Hills, CA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 08/09/2008
- Krackonis I'm a Fan of Krackonis 6 fans permalink

This is corruption, not social entitlement. Social Management works in Canada, France, UK, Belgium, new Zealand, Netherlands, Sweden and the list goes on...

The difference is you include EVERYONE in the social program, Rich or Poor does not matter. Make it about people, not about wealth.

Thats had because America is built on Mo Money, Mo Power, Mo Privilege.­... But it ain't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 08/09/2008
- in4success I'm a Fan of in4success 44 fans permalink

as are the great majority of talking republican talking points, this one is astoundingly ignorant, disingenuous and, quite frankly, as retarded as 20% of the 28%ers....

that said: .45 MCCAIN WEB POINTS FOR YOU! YEAH!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 08/09/2008
- rajoro I'm a Fan of rajoro 8 fans permalink

You are the worst! What world do you live in? Let one of these rich people not get the fire department , or not get the sewer near their home clean and see what the problem is going to be. Look the fact is the rich have bought off the system to get more and more tax breaks they don't pay their fair share.

This town is an example, as well as the rest of the economy, of unregulated, unrestrained capitalism at it's worst. You want to turn a great country into a 3rd world one. Where the income gap is obscene!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 08/09/2008
- Wilburrr I'm a Fan of Wilburrr 16 fans permalink
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Should we start a relief effort? Perhaps 9th Ward residents in NO can start to pay back the millions of dollars that have been so generously donated...­.. what?.... they never got it? YIKES!! Not much hope for the Hamptons then...loo­ks like all those Hampton multi-million dollar homes will become drop houses for UDI's (un-documented immigrants). I can see the place covered with graffiti declaring gang territorie­s.... wow.... glad I didn't buy there.... poor Billy Joel.

I am celebrating a milestone today.... 100 HuffPo comments deleted! Wonder why that is....??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 08/09/2008
- Krackonis I'm a Fan of Krackonis 6 fans permalink

Speaking the truth? talking about False Flag attacks?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 08/09/2008
- iseebs I'm a Fan of iseebs 2 fans permalink

Spending more than taking in is a wide spread epidemic in the USA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 08/09/2008
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how much does it cost to run that airport?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 08/09/2008

Only $70 million dollars budget for a town? No one could run any town on a budget that small. I am sure the rich, famous would not mind pay just a few more dollars to correct the short fall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 08/09/2008
- Bettysdad I'm a Fan of Bettysdad 59 fans permalink
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You're either joking or insane.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 08/09/2008
- xargaw I'm a Fan of xargaw 31 fans permalink

If they want to tax their way out of the problem, why not a progressive real estate tax? Tax all properties over a million at a higher rate, thus sheltering the working class. Let people rake their own stretch of beach, rake and pay to dispose their own leaves like the rest of the country, and institute progressive fees for water usage which is always higher on large estates. Local governments everywhere are feeling the shrinking property tax base. Vote the Republicans out of office. Contrary to what the GOP says, historically, Wall Street and the economy do better under a Democratic President and Congress. If you don't believe me, look it up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 08/09/2008
- Annette I'm a Fan of Annette 15 fans permalink

Either a progressive property tax or have a large homeowners exemption say in the range of $200,000 per year and raise the tax rate. I agree about letting each property owner rake or not rake their stretch of beach, or not. Something to be said for a bit of wilderness. I especially agree about voting in Democrats. There needs to besome sense used ,you cannot borrow your way out of debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 08/09/2008
- JScott I'm a Fan of JScott 21 fans permalink

And of course those wealthy folks would even think of having a star studded glamourous fundraiser for the town, it would probably only raise a pittance. Most of those kinda events usually do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 08/09/2008
- in4success I'm a Fan of in4success 44 fans permalink

um... try a f*cking TAX you greedy, elitist, republican sh*ts -- and not taxes from the truly impoverished of hempstead, bayshore or jamaica or loans from china which will fall upon generations that follow!

GRRRRRRRRR­R!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 08/09/2008
- mimsnpips I'm a Fan of mimsnpips 12 fans permalink
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a LI'er I pesume? An ex here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 08/09/2008
- in4success I'm a Fan of in4success 44 fans permalink

"lonk" i'er . . . . 70's an early 2000's

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 08/09/2008
- TheHandyman I'm a Fan of TheHandyman 107 fans permalink
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This problem is easily solved. Every time a plane or a helicopter lands at the airport or at their home, they must pay a $10,000 landing fee. Since they want exclusive access to their beaches, how about a $50,000 annual fee. You want that curb side service for your leaves, another $5,000. You want to have your lawn parties with the poor acting as your peasants? How about $10,000 for a party permit. The Haves and the HaveMores want to live like that, make them pay. Call it a Stimulus tax!

And btw, blaming McGintee for spending more than he has isn't right unless someone can prove he embezzled money. Herr shrub and Congress continually spends more than they have and yet the People keep electing the politicians the Haves and the HaveMores choose for them. I don't hear anyone screaming for an investigation of Congress or the Presnit!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 08/09/2008
- Bozwellian I'm a Fan of Bozwellian 31 fans permalink

Great ieas a "stimulus tax" to hose that CAN so easily afford it and ones that ARE benefitting from the various services (and YES, thta includes the child care program and YMCA access....­think about it carefully before cutting folks, same goes for healthcare , one of the servers may sneeze on those hor dueres or cough in anothers direction as MUST keep on serving and can't afford healt care services even while working for minimum or less tha min-wages paid by those who desire to have THEIR needs/whims tended, etc, etc, etc !!!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 08/09/2008

You think billionaires are raking their own lawns? LOL!

I'm still not sure who the leaf vacuum is really benefiting. Is it the billionaires that haven't touched a rake in their life? Is it the undocumented gardeners? No, certainly not.

Who is going to let their lawn boy leave a big pile leaves on the curb instead of bagging it?

Makes no sense. Waste of money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 08/09/2008
- messy I'm a Fan of messy 38 fans permalink
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The majority of the people who live in east hampton are not allowed to vote as the property is for summer homes etc..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 08/09/2008
- Bettysdad I'm a Fan of Bettysdad 59 fans permalink
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I suppose you believe slaves can't vote either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 08/09/2008
- leduck I'm a Fan of leduck 47 fans permalink
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maybe what east hampton really needs is a good old fashioned revolution

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 08/09/2008
- Wilburrr I'm a Fan of Wilburrr 16 fans permalink
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Right! But first you'd have to get someone to put down that half-half decaf double shot mocha caramel latte.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 08/09/2008
- musselmanm I'm a Fan of musselmanm 20 fans permalink
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No you must never raise taxes or hire Americans and pay a wage that will allow for a good tax base.
We must obviously give another subsidy to Exon and drill for oil in the back yards of thes rich peoples home.
It would also make a lovely place to store the nuclear waste from our 45 new nuke plants the same OLD political hacks want to build.
I am for Nuclear power plants but the Rich must participate in the bad things not just the poor.
There is no middle class to support these enclaves of the priviliged.
Also, any private party that hires illegal people that are here should get fined and jail time. The Illegals can mind their home while they are recieving three squares and a cot in the Big House.
When not occupied these same homes should become homeless shelters.
How is that for some old left wing hippie thinking?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 08/09/2008

Something is rotten in East Hampton. I used to surf and windsurf a lot in the East Hampton area back in the early 90s, before the glitterati took over the place (and boy, they are a nasty bunch).

At a certain point, the town started making it impossible for surfers, windsurfers, and other watermen and waterwomen to get beach access. You couldn't park anywhere near the ocean or bay without a permit, and you couldn't get a permit at all unless you were the documented OWNER of a house in the area.

As a result beach access, other than the EH Town Beach, which is useless for water sports, was unavailable to the thousands of summer renters and visitors who bring revenue to the town during the summer. For me and many others, this generated nothing but ill feelings--it was an unnecessarily strict policy, and unfair, since the oceans and bays belong to everyone, no matter who owns the adjacent land. Were they trying to turn the whole town and its surrounding waters into an exclusive club? Apparently so. And it looks like they succeeded.

So, I'm feeling a little bit of schadenfreude right now--taking pleasure in someone else's suffering. Dear East Hampton, home of so many fond memories, may you slide into bankruptcy, or better yet, slide right into the ocean. Good riddance!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 08/09/2008
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A Refresher from the archives returns with relevance.
The most arrogant entitlement attitude is from that of the wealthy person that somehow believes and promotes the theory, that they are entitled to reap and to keep, the vast majority of the harvest from this our great Nation. The belief that after hundreds of years of blood, sweat, tears, lives, and untold sacrifice, from millions of souls that carved this great society out of the wilderness. With zero consideration to the Natives that walked it before the great European on slot. With all the systems that have been built by the hands of the multitude; roads for their goods to be delivered on, schools to educate themselves and the workforce they rely upon, laws that protect the contract and conduct of commerce, utilities that power their endeavors, a monetary system that quantifies their gains, a research and development protocol funded by We the People for generations of ideas, municipal systems that carry away so much of their waste. The list is more than can be mentioned. And as our great infrastructure crumbles, and our cities and towns go broke while they feast. These most arrogant of persons declare, "I created this wealth" "I created these jobs", I am entitled to keep the fruits of my labors". REALLY, Your Labors, I ask, I think not!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 08/09/2008
- Bozwellian I'm a Fan of Bozwellian 31 fans permalink

(THANKS, well put ,is why this electon selection IS important ..uh, Dems are NOT so great/fantastic but wil be a whole lot better than what McC offering up ( BTW, McC is screaming how Obama will raise taxes--claims it will be on those that make $42,000 which is blatantly false , Obama tax revision sets threshod at $250,000 &above with those below getting a proper tax break. GREED seems to THIRVE among those that claim to SUCCEED, Boo'd is what is referred to as "windfall" profit tax but should be fully defined as a example of EHTICAL CHARACTER ,SUPPORT THEIR FAIR SHARE . Just look around, when ONE segment FAILS, it does /will tinge ALL one way or another presently being exampled in nations present delimma's of housing markets, fuel costs, job losses/downsizing, desease/health issues, crime, poorer education of the masses who are needed to tend the "grunt" workings of this nation, the basic infrastructures that includes roads, bridges, water /food supply and safety issues.
As these deteriorate, ALL WILL BE IMPACTED, EFFECTED AND AFFECTED ..(common sense should give a clue to the HAVE sorts, that the "value" of what THEY have/hold dear will deteriorate due to decline of all of such "services/needs" if left untended and allowed or even encouraged to wither for we ARE indeed INTERDEPENDENT uppon one another and there IS a need and nececcesity to work to together to solve the tangled web which is indeed a domestic quagmire !!!)

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