Russia vs Georgia: Outbreak Of Hostilities After Georgia Tries To Regain Breakaway Province

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MUSA SADULAYEV | August 8, 2008 11:44 PM EST | AP

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In this image, made from television, Russian military vehicles are moving towards the breakaway South Ossetia republic's capital, Tskhinvali, on Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. Russia's Defense Ministry says it has sent reinforcements to its peacekeepers deployed to South Ossetia to help end bloodshed. Georgian officials confirmed that the Russian convoy had crossed the border and was advancing toward Tskhinvali. Georgia launched a massive attack Friday to regain control over South Ossetia, using heavy artillery, aircraft and armor. South Ossetian officials said at least 15 people were killed Friday and an unspecified number were wounded. (AP Photo/APTN)

DZHAVA, Georgia — Russia sent an armored column into the breakaway enclave of South Ossetia after Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, launched an offensive to crush separatists. Georgia reported early Saturday that warplanes attacked three of its bases and some key oil facilities.

Witnesses said hundreds of civilians have died in the fighting, which threatened to ignite a wider war between Georgia and Russia and escalate tensions between Moscow and Washington.

Georgia said it was forced to launch the assault because of rebel attacks; the separatists alleged Georgia violated a cease-fire.

The South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali was reportedly devastated. Ossetia spokeswoman Irina Gagloyeva said the city came under prolonged fire during the night "but it was suppressed" by the armed forces, the Interfax news agency quoted her as saying Saturday.

"I saw bodies lying on the streets, around ruined buildings, in cars," said Lyudmila Ostayeva, 50, who had fled with her family to Dzhava, a village near the border with Russia. "It's impossible to count them now. There is hardly a single building left undamaged."

The fighting broke out as much of the world's attention was focused on the start of the Olympic Games and many leaders, including Russia's Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President Bush, were in Beijing.

The timing suggested Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili may have been counting on surprise to fulfill his longtime pledge to wrest back control of South Ossetia _ a key to his hold on power. The rebels seek to unite with North Ossetia, which is part of Russia.

Saakashvili agreed the timing was not coincidental, but accused Russia of being the aggressor. "Most decision makers have gone for the holidays," he told CNN. "Brilliant moment to attack a small country."

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Seeking to prevent an all-out war, diplomats issued a flurry of statements calling on both sides to halt the fighting. The U.N. Security Council held two tense emergency sessions 12 hours apart with both sides using the forum to launch accusations. As the meeting recessed, officials promised a third council session Saturday.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice urged Russia to halt aircraft and missile attacks and withdraw combat forces from Georgian territory. Rice said in a statement the United States wants Russia to respect Georgian sovereignty and agree to international mediation.

The leader of South Ossetia's rebel government, Eduard Kokoity, said about 1,400 people were killed in the onslaught, the Interfax news agency reported. The toll could not be independently confirmed.

As night fell, there were conflicting claims as to who held the battlefield advantage.

Saakashvili said "Georgian military forces completely control all the territory of South Ossetia" except for a northern section adjacent to Russia. But Russian news agencies cited a Russian military official as saying heavy fighting was under way on the outskirts of the regional capital.

Early Saturday, Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said the Vaziani military base on the outskirts of the Georgian capital was bombed by warplanes during the night and that bombs fell in the area of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline. He also said two other Georgian military bases were hit and that warplanes bombed the Black Sea port city of Poti, which has a sizable oil shipment facility.

Utiashvili said there apparently were significant casualties and damage in the attacks, but that further details would not be known until the morning.

Earlier, Georgia's Foreign Ministry accused Russian aircraft of bombing two military air bases, inflicting some casualties and destroying several military aircraft. Rustavi 2 television said four people were killed and five wounded at the Marneuli air base.

Twelve Russian troops were killed and 30 wounded in the fighting, said Russian Ground Forces spokesman Col. Igor Konashenkov. Saakashvili said late Friday that about 30 Georgians had been killed "mainly members of the Georgian armed forces."

It was unclear what might persuade either side to stop shooting. Both claim the battle started after the other side violated a cease-fire that had been declared just hours earlier after a week of sporadic clashes.

The United States was sending in its top Caucasus envoy, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Matthew Bryza, to try to end the bloodshed.

It was the worst outbreak of hostilities since the province won de facto independence in a war against Georgia that ended in 1992. Russian troops went in as peacekeepers but Georgia alleges they now back the separatists.

Russia, which has granted citizenship to most of the region's residents, appeared to lay much of the responsibility for ending the fighting on Washington.

In a telephone conversation with Rice, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Georgia must be convinced to withdraw its forces, according to a ministry statement.

Georgia, which borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia, was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the breakup of the Soviet Union. Georgia has angered Russia by seeking NATO membership _ a bid Moscow regards as part of a Western effort to weaken its influence in the region.

Saakashvili long has pledged to restore Tbilisi's rule over South Ossetia and another breakaway province, Abkhazia. Both regions have run their own affairs without international recognition since splitting from Georgia in the early 1990s and have built up ties with Moscow.

Georgia has about 2,000 troops in Iraq, making it the third-largest contributor to coalition forces after the U.S. and Britain. But Saakashvili told CNN the troops would be called home Saturday in the face of the South Ossetia fighting.

A senior U.S. defense official said Georgian authorities have asked the United States for help getting their troops out of Iraq. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the discussions have been private, said no formal decision has been made on whether to support the departure, but said it is likely the U.S. will do so.

Also, Pentagon officials said Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has reached out to his counterparts in Russia and Georgia, but has not yet connected with them.

Russia's Defense Ministry said it was sending in reinforcements for its troops in the province, and Russian state television and Georgian officials reported a convoy of tanks had crossed the border. The convoy was expected to reach the provincial capital, Tskhinvali, by evening, Channel One television said.

Putin warned in the early stages of the conflict that the Georgian attack would draw retaliation and the Defense Ministry pledged to protect South Ossetians, most of whom have Russian citizenship.

Chairing a session of his Security Council in the Kremlin, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev also vowed that Moscow will protect Russian citizens.

"In accordance with the constitution and federal law, I, as president of Russia, am obliged to protect lives and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they are located," Medvedev said. "We won't allow the death of our compatriots go unpunished."

On Friday, an AP reporter saw tanks and other heavy weapons concentrating on the Russian side of the border with South Ossetia _ supporting the reports of an incursion. Some villagers were fleeing into Russia.

The Georgian state minister for reintegration, Temur Yakobashvili, said Georgian forces had shot down four Russian combat planes over Georgian territory but gave no details. Russia's Defense Ministry denied an earlier Georgia report about one Russian plane downed and had no immediate comment on the latest claim.

Yakobashvili said one Russian plane had dropped a bomb on the Vaziani military base near the Georgian capital, but no one was hurt. More than 1,000 U.S. Marines and soldiers were at the base last month to teach combat skills to Georgian troops.

South Ossetia officials said Georgia attacked with aircraft, armor and heavy artillery. Georgian troops fired missiles at Tskhinvali, an official said, and many buildings were on fire.

Georgia's president said Russian aircraft bombed several Georgian villages and other civilian facilities.

A senior Russian diplomat in charge of the South Ossetian conflict, Yuri Popov, dismissed the Georgian claims of Russian bombings as misinformation, the RIA-Novosti news agency reported.

The Georgian attack came just hours after Saakashvili announced a unilateral cease-fire in a television broadcast late Thursday in which he also urged South Ossetian separatist leaders to enter talks on resolving the conflict.

Georgian officials later blamed South Ossetian separatists for thwarting the cease-fire by shelling Georgian villages in the area.

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Associated Press writers Misha Dzhindzhikhashvili in Tbilisi, Vladimir Isachenkov in Moscow and John Heilprin at the United Nations contributed to this report.

DZHAVA, Georgia — Russia sent an armored column into the breakaway enclave of South Ossetia after Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, launched an offensive to crush separatists. Georgia reported early...
DZHAVA, Georgia — Russia sent an armored column into the breakaway enclave of South Ossetia after Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, launched an offensive to crush separatists. Georgia reported early...
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No need to worry, this is a European problem, and they will handle it in a decisive manner. I imagine diplomatic notes are already flying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 08/08/2008
- kevinw I'm a Fan of kevinw 11 fans permalink

Our troops were in their training the Georgians. If they had gotten their wish and had joined NATO, we would be obligated to go to war with Russia. This is a serious issue and not a joke. The Russians do have WMD, a lot of them almost as many as we have, and their president isn't an idiot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 08/08/2008
- Bubba Gump I'm a Fan of Bubba Gump 212 fans permalink
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Kevinw is absolutely right. Time for jokes and party squabbles to disappear, people. This kind of thing started World War One in Serbia, a Russian ally to this day. WW1 begat WW2. And we may be staring at Cold War 2. Or worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 08/08/2008
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Agreed. There are reports of hundreds of deaths, so far. If this were an earthquake, nobody would be joking. This is a tragedy, a disaster, and a cause of grave concern. Funny, it isn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 08/08/2008

Let's pray that we don't end up in a war with Russia while we still have the Iraq fiasco going on and are still occupying Afghanistan since we have apparently forgotten that the entire reason we invaded that country was to find bin-Laden whom we still have not found. America's military cannot be stretched farther or even the Bush administration will be forced to admit defeat in at least one theater. By the way, let's remember that Medvedev isn't in control of Russia, Putin is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 08/08/2008

Georgia (Sakartvelo) ain't in Europe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 08/08/2008

Dont worry justadumbfireman, not many people are paying attention on the world stage with your averagely educated USAian about geography. Sorry, you're not punching much internationally. Not that it matters really ....

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/eu.htm

Eric
Berlin/Sydney

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 AM on 08/09/2008
- cjk002 I'm a Fan of cjk002 33 fans permalink
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That's what they said in 1914.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 08/09/2008
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 44 fans permalink

Clinton waited 2 years for the Europeans to handle the Kosovo situation before he realized he had to lead himself...­..........­..Those UN peacekeepers from Belguim sure protected the people of Rwanda, didn't they?.....­..........­..........­..........­.......Eur­ope is useless

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 08/09/2008
- Bubba Gump I'm a Fan of Bubba Gump 212 fans permalink
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Steamboat's got a point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 08/09/2008
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 18 fans permalink

Touche. The EU reminds me of the French in World War II. The Poles lasted longer against the Germans than did the French. They neither have the will nor the desire to defend themselves against military aggression. This is why America is employed to defend them.

Look at the worst case. If America fails to defend Georgia, up for NATO candidacy, we demonstrate our inability to defend our allies. We lose. Russia gains.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 AM on 08/09/2008
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Actually Blair had decided to stop the Serbs and that is when Clinton had to jump in because if the British went alone and won then America would not be the policeman of the world. Anytime this country does anything there is something to be gained by the Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 08/09/2008
- geobushono I'm a Fan of geobushono 15 fans permalink

I guess Europe is more willing to have americans die in sensless brushfire wars than their own citizens.
THAT position isn't immoral when you tally OUR middle east record....­.....and by the way, just why are we having these middle east war?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 08/09/2008

I wonder what "PRAVDA NEWS" I mean "FAUX NEWS" is reporting on this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 08/08/2008
- BardEric I'm a Fan of BardEric 10 fans permalink

They werent, at least not much yesterday.­I was scanning all the networks to catch news of what was going on in Georgia. Sadly, the vast majority of air time in all the news channels was the Edwards scandal :(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 08/09/2008

WOW!! the U.S. asking Russia to "stand-down" for it's aggressive military actions. Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 08/08/2008
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afeerd that the eyerans might throw their lot in with Poots

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 08/08/2008
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"Conleezza called on R ussia to pull its troops out of G eorgia and respect its territorial integrity.­"

WTF!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 08/08/2008
- r11 I'm a Fan of r11 permalink

Here's what happened:

During the nite, Georgia amassed few dozens of MLRS and heavy artillery and practically leveled the tiny city of Tzinval . Killed were hundreds of civilians, close to dozen of Russian peacemakers (which didn't have any means to respond to the attack, being armed only with small arms).

All of that on the opening day of Olympics - when warring nations are supposed to lay down their arms.

Well, then came the morning and now Georgia will have a hell of a price to pay for the people it killed.
Most of the killed happen to be citizens of Russian Federation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 08/08/2008
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 18 fans permalink

After sniper fire from the Russian state of Southern Ossetia. Standard tactic to start small wars. Hitler had Germans prisoners dressed in Polish uniforms shot to justify the start of World War II.

Russian nationalism is running high right now. Most Russians are celebrating. Of course, pushing over Georgia is nothing like going up against a real foe. This is like how Russian men treat their women. By beating them. No honor. No culture. Just barbarity inherited by their murderous forefathers.

The last time Russia had any real culture was before the Bolshevik Revolution. What culture they do have stems from those times. Then again, many Russians and Americans have something in common. We are all peasants subject to feel-good wars and measures. Controlled by propaganda and money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 08/09/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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America, Rice and Bush especially must stop meddling in internal Russian affairs and encroaching upon it's borders and sovereignty or there is gonna be real trouble..!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 08/08/2008
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For some reason, my comment got lost.

Anyways, I just looked up the Georgian Military on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Georgia

Not good.

Georgia can fild some five infantry brigades, an artillery brigade and a tank battalion with some supporting unbits. All in all, just under 22, 000 personnel.
The Air Force has a handful of aging MiG-25 Foxbat interceptors and a squadron of Vietnam era MiG-21 Fishbed fighters to fend off state of the art MiG-29 Fulcrums and Sukhoi Flankers.

Ouch.
They do have a decent number of modern ground attack SU-25 Frogfoot fighters..­.but nothing that will stand a chance in the air against the Russian Air Force.
The Russians will gain air superiority immediately, and the Georgians will not be able to move airbourne troops, equipment or utilize helicopter gunship support. Not good at all.

For a small country, Georgia has a respectable military, but isn't even remotely prepared to go in a toe to toe ,set piece war against the Russian Bear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 08/08/2008
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My bad. The comment just took a long time to post, and is now on the second page. Apologies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 08/08/2008
- Paul I'm a Fan of Paul 32 fans permalink

Thanks for looking that up.

I wonder what forces the Russians are deploying?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 08/08/2008
- ruscle I'm a Fan of ruscle 2 fans permalink

"Rice said in a statement the United States wants Russia to respect Georgian sovereignty and agree to international mediation.­"

WANTS?! Okay. We all want something. What have you been doing to prevent this Condi? George?

Please. A press statement that we want Russia to stop doing something is a piss-poor substitution for actual political engagement on the world stage that could have prevented this.

ANOTHER FAILURE of the Bush Administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 08/08/2008
- kevinw I'm a Fan of kevinw 11 fans permalink

You are 100% correct. The Russians crossed the border into Georgia with a Tank division. They had Helicopter and Jet support. That means that they have spent a long time positioning the troops on the border. Where was Gates, Rice, Bush? I wonder if Condi got an NIE that said Putin wants to get Georgia back and plans on doing it while the bush administration are all at the Olympic games. Never want to interfere with a sporting event just to deal with an armed invasion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 08/08/2008
- Paul I'm a Fan of Paul 32 fans permalink

Looks like another intellicgence "coup" fpr the CIA.

I wonder if they used the words "slam dunk"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 08/08/2008

Russia has had thousands of troops line up in N Ossetia for months now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 08/09/2008
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 18 fans permalink

The timing with the start of The Olympics. A prepared military buildup. Russian provocations over the last few months. It does not take a military analyst to realize the jig is up. Russia just needed an excuse. Even if they had to manufacture one.

Of course, America could always offer citizenship to a repressed minority in a Russian district and invade after claiming repression of United States Citizens. China did so against Vietnam in 1979, claiming abuse of ethnic Chinese minorities. The reasoning is moronic. But possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 08/09/2008
- bronceye I'm a Fan of bronceye 30 fans permalink

Why is this considered news? John Edwards got laid 2 yrs. ago, people! This story could be bigger than the death of Anna Nicole Smith!!!!!! This conflict is between 2 countries that don't even have Halliburton contracts. We Americans must maintain our Rupert driven priorities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 08/08/2008

"Rupert driven priorities­"?..this site has put this story down in the middle of the page and there are over 2500 comments about Edwards and only 300 here...I don't think its Rupert causing that.....y­ou comment has no reason behind it...like all liberal comments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 08/08/2008
- pfc1369 I'm a Fan of pfc1369 98 fans permalink
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Don't you understand that through years and years of conditioning people are now programmed to pay much more attention to who boffed whom, rather than who is slaughtering whom.

Makes for better marketing of the junk you peddle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 08/08/2008
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Now, if Russia had an affair with Georgia in a cheap hotel room, that would be NEWS!!

8 - )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 08/08/2008
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LMAO!!

:D

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 08/08/2008
- DumbDad I'm a Fan of DumbDad 32 fans permalink
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Georgia's always on MY mind...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 08/08/2008

Huffington Post I'm disappointed in you, you are spouting the Russian government's propaganda. Russia has been waiting to oust the Georgian president for a long time. I don't know who "started" the armed conflict but this has Russian agenda written all over it. They have been preparing for this conflict and set the pieces in motion. Think about it for one second, why would a small country like Georgia take on a super power like Russia?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 08/08/2008
- kevinw I'm a Fan of kevinw 11 fans permalink

Because they have been egged on and trained by the US that has also been arming them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 08/08/2008
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Quick! Someone ask McCain if he knows how to win this war!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 08/08/2008

his money is on the USSR

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 08/08/2008
- biwee I'm a Fan of biwee 13 fans permalink

Better yet, ask McCain for the continent that contains Georgia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 08/08/2008
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 18 fans permalink

McCain mentioned Russia within the last two weeks. The timing was perfect. The fact that he took an anti-Russian stance within such a short time of the Russian invasion of Georgia tells you? That the U.S. Government knew. Mac certainly did. Probably fed the intelligence by The Bush Administration to score points among God-fearing anti-Commies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 08/09/2008

If the US gets involved, this could go bad big. Russia could align militarily with Iran. If Russia decides to support Iran and put them under the protection of a nuclear umbrella, plus sell them modern insurgency weapons, then Iraq will turn into another Vietnam with 50,000 US casulties. If US retaliates, then Russia could cut off most of Europes oil and natural gas the same time Iran shuts down all oil exports out of the Persian Gulf. Add Venezuella to the pact and they will have an iron grip on oil for all industrial countries. They could put so much financial oil pressure on many countries, and force them to Nationalize all US assets (including US companies and foreign investment­s.). They could also shut down oil production in Iraq through Iranian support of insurgents in Iraq. They could demand the US leave Iraq and put pressure on all countries that support the effort by allowing US military on their soil or in their airspace.

If we are not carefull, a forced Russia/Iran alliance could unwind the US and NATO powers. If the Russians went this far, I would not be surprised if the war on terrorism would go Nuclear. After all, the war on terrorism always was really a war over control of the oil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 08/08/2008

The US won't do jack, above the door of the Pentagon now hangs a plaque reading simply "show me the money"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 08/08/2008
- Bubba Gump I'm a Fan of Bubba Gump 212 fans permalink
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Very good analysis, watchTV.

I wonder what Chechnya is thinking. If they go opportunistic, it's gas on the flame.

Georgia may not be in NATO, but Turkey is and they share a border. Spill-over combat isn't advised. But stuff happens in war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 08/08/2008

Yeah, and then, and then after the nuc'ular war I wouldn't be surprised like if the cockroaches took over the planet take over. And then like we'll have to learn coackroachian at school... and then the Universe will explode and then the time will come to an end and will have a singularity. and that exactly what will happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 08/08/2008
- Bubba Gump I'm a Fan of Bubba Gump 212 fans permalink
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Make light of it all you want, Magister. But don't belly ache when we have no gasoline; forget high gas prices. WatchTV has given a very possible scenerio that nobody is going to like.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 08/08/2008

Hey good thing Obama hasn't gotten his way with the STRATEGIC OIL RESERVE because it is purposed so that we have enough gas so that our 1/4MPG tanks can roll right on to Moscow, or wherever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 AM on 08/09/2008

and then everyone will eat their knees! Against all advice!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 AM on 08/09/2008

It's kind of ironic isn't it? Georgia is a province of Russia who wants independence of Russia. And South Ossetia is a province of Georgia who wants independence of Georgia.

So if the South Ossetians is the good guys. Their enemies, the Georgians, must be the bad guys. And *their* enemies, the Russians, must also be good guys. Right???

BTW. Unlike neighboring Chechnya, Georgia is predominantly Christian, like Russia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 08/08/2008
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 44 fans permalink

incfish, I called up Vegas to lay-down a bet....The­y said they aren't giving odds. A mismatch they said between a 260 pound heavyweight and a 108 pound junior flyweight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 08/08/2008
- evilzed I'm a Fan of evilzed 13 fans permalink

Aslso kind of ironic how the US has special forces training the Georgians with US military leaders already there http://www.nowpublic.com/world/us-runs-military-exercise-around-georgia-conflict in the new front in the war on terror. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1843909.stm
Russia are angry at the US http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/feb/22/usa.chechnya

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 08/08/2008
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Wouldn't be a war Americans can understand without good guys and bad guys, now would it pilgrim?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 08/08/2008

Georgia is NOT a province of Russia!!!!!!! Georgia is an independent republic whose people are ethnically and linguistically totally unrelated to the Russians. Read your damned history.

BTW, Georgia has been Christian since 337 AD, making it the 2nd oldest Christian state (Armenia was the first).

BTW #2: "independence FROM", not "independence OF", and "if the South Ossetians ARE, not IS"...
I hope you're not a native speaker of English.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 08/08/2008
- Bobleblah1 I'm a Fan of Bobleblah1 21 fans permalink

If this violence was instigated by Georgia then they are quite foolish.
Russia is going to kick these people's teeth in. In addition I think it would be very unwise for the united States to get involved in this situation in any more than a verbal way. While I am aware of the so called friendship between the US and Georgia, The US can not afford to be seen as prodding or facilitating these Georgians.

The Russian's are getting very pissed off about quite a few things and its starting to show. Today bullets are flying and soldiers marching. Tomorrow bombs will start dropping.
This whole missile defense shield business, is going to fuel even more animosity from the Russians. If I am to believe that the dynamics of this situation are true to what the available information says, this is just the beginning of Russian use of force. The obtuse nature of an American missile defense system on their border will force the Russian's to start drawing lines in the sand. Couple that with former Soviet nations increased uppity behavior and you have given Russia all the excuses they need to start kicking ass.
Russian's never struck me as people to beg for respect. They'll hit you in the head with a hammer first, then worry about respect later.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 08/08/2008
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"Russian's never struck me as people to beg for respect. They'll hit you in the head with a hammer first, then worry about respect later."

Yep. That seems about right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 08/08/2008
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Sounds right to me too. Notice the hammer was one of the symbols of the old USSR flag.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 08/08/2008

Russia will have hard time winning the war against Georgia... It took it 10 years to control Chechnia, Georgia will make that look as a walk in the park...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 08/08/2008
- kevinw I'm a Fan of kevinw 11 fans permalink

They are looking to take back the insurgent capital and the sea port. That will be enough to destabilize the Georgian government. They are only occupying the part of Georgia that wants to split with Georgia and has close ties with Russia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 08/08/2008

Hey, idiot - how do you form a plural? With or without an apostrophe? Think hard...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 08/08/2008
- JackND I'm a Fan of JackND 28 fans permalink

I love that between this story and that scoundrel John Edwards, today's juicy news day is likely to steal some of the spotlight from Beijing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 08/08/2008
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