Russia vs Georgia: Outbreak Of Hostilities After Georgia Tries To Regain Breakaway Province

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MUSA SADULAYEV | August 8, 2008 11:44 PM EST | AP

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In this image, made from television, Russian military vehicles are moving towards the breakaway South Ossetia republic's capital, Tskhinvali, on Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. Russia's Defense Ministry says it has sent reinforcements to its peacekeepers deployed to South Ossetia to help end bloodshed. Georgian officials confirmed that the Russian convoy had crossed the border and was advancing toward Tskhinvali. Georgia launched a massive attack Friday to regain control over South Ossetia, using heavy artillery, aircraft and armor. South Ossetian officials said at least 15 people were killed Friday and an unspecified number were wounded. (AP Photo/APTN)

DZHAVA, Georgia — Russia sent an armored column into the breakaway enclave of South Ossetia after Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, launched an offensive to crush separatists. Georgia reported early Saturday that warplanes attacked three of its bases and some key oil facilities.

Witnesses said hundreds of civilians have died in the fighting, which threatened to ignite a wider war between Georgia and Russia and escalate tensions between Moscow and Washington.

Georgia said it was forced to launch the assault because of rebel attacks; the separatists alleged Georgia violated a cease-fire.

The South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali was reportedly devastated. Ossetia spokeswoman Irina Gagloyeva said the city came under prolonged fire during the night "but it was suppressed" by the armed forces, the Interfax news agency quoted her as saying Saturday.

"I saw bodies lying on the streets, around ruined buildings, in cars," said Lyudmila Ostayeva, 50, who had fled with her family to Dzhava, a village near the border with Russia. "It's impossible to count them now. There is hardly a single building left undamaged."

The fighting broke out as much of the world's attention was focused on the start of the Olympic Games and many leaders, including Russia's Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President Bush, were in Beijing.

The timing suggested Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili may have been counting on surprise to fulfill his longtime pledge to wrest back control of South Ossetia _ a key to his hold on power. The rebels seek to unite with North Ossetia, which is part of Russia.

Saakashvili agreed the timing was not coincidental, but accused Russia of being the aggressor. "Most decision makers have gone for the holidays," he told CNN. "Brilliant moment to attack a small country."

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Seeking to prevent an all-out war, diplomats issued a flurry of statements calling on both sides to halt the fighting. The U.N. Security Council held two tense emergency sessions 12 hours apart with both sides using the forum to launch accusations. As the meeting recessed, officials promised a third council session Saturday.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice urged Russia to halt aircraft and missile attacks and withdraw combat forces from Georgian territory. Rice said in a statement the United States wants Russia to respect Georgian sovereignty and agree to international mediation.

The leader of South Ossetia's rebel government, Eduard Kokoity, said about 1,400 people were killed in the onslaught, the Interfax news agency reported. The toll could not be independently confirmed.

As night fell, there were conflicting claims as to who held the battlefield advantage.

Saakashvili said "Georgian military forces completely control all the territory of South Ossetia" except for a northern section adjacent to Russia. But Russian news agencies cited a Russian military official as saying heavy fighting was under way on the outskirts of the regional capital.

Early Saturday, Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said the Vaziani military base on the outskirts of the Georgian capital was bombed by warplanes during the night and that bombs fell in the area of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline. He also said two other Georgian military bases were hit and that warplanes bombed the Black Sea port city of Poti, which has a sizable oil shipment facility.

Utiashvili said there apparently were significant casualties and damage in the attacks, but that further details would not be known until the morning.

Earlier, Georgia's Foreign Ministry accused Russian aircraft of bombing two military air bases, inflicting some casualties and destroying several military aircraft. Rustavi 2 television said four people were killed and five wounded at the Marneuli air base.

Twelve Russian troops were killed and 30 wounded in the fighting, said Russian Ground Forces spokesman Col. Igor Konashenkov. Saakashvili said late Friday that about 30 Georgians had been killed "mainly members of the Georgian armed forces."

It was unclear what might persuade either side to stop shooting. Both claim the battle started after the other side violated a cease-fire that had been declared just hours earlier after a week of sporadic clashes.

The United States was sending in its top Caucasus envoy, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Matthew Bryza, to try to end the bloodshed.

It was the worst outbreak of hostilities since the province won de facto independence in a war against Georgia that ended in 1992. Russian troops went in as peacekeepers but Georgia alleges they now back the separatists.

Russia, which has granted citizenship to most of the region's residents, appeared to lay much of the responsibility for ending the fighting on Washington.

In a telephone conversation with Rice, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Georgia must be convinced to withdraw its forces, according to a ministry statement.

Georgia, which borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia, was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the breakup of the Soviet Union. Georgia has angered Russia by seeking NATO membership _ a bid Moscow regards as part of a Western effort to weaken its influence in the region.

Saakashvili long has pledged to restore Tbilisi's rule over South Ossetia and another breakaway province, Abkhazia. Both regions have run their own affairs without international recognition since splitting from Georgia in the early 1990s and have built up ties with Moscow.

Georgia has about 2,000 troops in Iraq, making it the third-largest contributor to coalition forces after the U.S. and Britain. But Saakashvili told CNN the troops would be called home Saturday in the face of the South Ossetia fighting.

A senior U.S. defense official said Georgian authorities have asked the United States for help getting their troops out of Iraq. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the discussions have been private, said no formal decision has been made on whether to support the departure, but said it is likely the U.S. will do so.

Also, Pentagon officials said Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has reached out to his counterparts in Russia and Georgia, but has not yet connected with them.

Russia's Defense Ministry said it was sending in reinforcements for its troops in the province, and Russian state television and Georgian officials reported a convoy of tanks had crossed the border. The convoy was expected to reach the provincial capital, Tskhinvali, by evening, Channel One television said.

Putin warned in the early stages of the conflict that the Georgian attack would draw retaliation and the Defense Ministry pledged to protect South Ossetians, most of whom have Russian citizenship.

Chairing a session of his Security Council in the Kremlin, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev also vowed that Moscow will protect Russian citizens.

"In accordance with the constitution and federal law, I, as president of Russia, am obliged to protect lives and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they are located," Medvedev said. "We won't allow the death of our compatriots go unpunished."

On Friday, an AP reporter saw tanks and other heavy weapons concentrating on the Russian side of the border with South Ossetia _ supporting the reports of an incursion. Some villagers were fleeing into Russia.

The Georgian state minister for reintegration, Temur Yakobashvili, said Georgian forces had shot down four Russian combat planes over Georgian territory but gave no details. Russia's Defense Ministry denied an earlier Georgia report about one Russian plane downed and had no immediate comment on the latest claim.

Yakobashvili said one Russian plane had dropped a bomb on the Vaziani military base near the Georgian capital, but no one was hurt. More than 1,000 U.S. Marines and soldiers were at the base last month to teach combat skills to Georgian troops.

South Ossetia officials said Georgia attacked with aircraft, armor and heavy artillery. Georgian troops fired missiles at Tskhinvali, an official said, and many buildings were on fire.

Georgia's president said Russian aircraft bombed several Georgian villages and other civilian facilities.

A senior Russian diplomat in charge of the South Ossetian conflict, Yuri Popov, dismissed the Georgian claims of Russian bombings as misinformation, the RIA-Novosti news agency reported.

The Georgian attack came just hours after Saakashvili announced a unilateral cease-fire in a television broadcast late Thursday in which he also urged South Ossetian separatist leaders to enter talks on resolving the conflict.

Georgian officials later blamed South Ossetian separatists for thwarting the cease-fire by shelling Georgian villages in the area.

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Associated Press writers Misha Dzhindzhikhashvili in Tbilisi, Vladimir Isachenkov in Moscow and John Heilprin at the United Nations contributed to this report.

DZHAVA, Georgia — Russia sent an armored column into the breakaway enclave of South Ossetia after Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, launched an offensive to crush separatists. Georgia reported early...
DZHAVA, Georgia — Russia sent an armored column into the breakaway enclave of South Ossetia after Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, launched an offensive to crush separatists. Georgia reported early...
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I just looked up the Georgian military on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Georgia

Ouch.

Georgia has 5 infantry brigades, an artillery brigade, a tank battalion and a light infantry battalion (and the usual REMF support units) with a total manpower of 21 739 persons. That would equal a large single division in our military terms. Respectable, but going toe to toe in a set piece war with the Russian Bear? No thanks.

Worse, the Air Force has NO modern interceptors/air superiority fighters. They have a handful of aging MiG-25 Foxbat interceptors and some positively ancient MiG-21 Fishbed fighters (like, Vietnam War ancient...­)

The Georgian Air Force seems better arrayed for COIN ground attack, and has a fair number of modern SU-25 Frogfoot ground attack fighters. The BBC shows some good footage of two Frogfoots (frogfeet??) in action. There are also four SU-24 Fencer fighter bombers (I expect the Russians will want to get rid of those as quickly as possible..­.)

It seems that we have supplied the Georgians with some forty of the venerable UH-1 "Huey" helicopters. They have the usual Mi-24 "Hind" gunships and Mi-8 "Hip" transport helicopters as well. I would have thought that we might have arranged a little more modernization for the Air Force...bu­t that would have undercut the whole "counter terrorism" spin we put out concerning the military aid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 08/08/2008
- Pyrrhus I'm a Fan of Pyrrhus 7 fans permalink

REMF! LMAO has been a while since I've seen that term.

Anyway, if you're a small country in mountainous terrain, lots of tanks are unnecessary and even a hindrance. And the planes only hit the ground. From the BBC footage, it looks like the Russkies are going for the roads and urban areas, which is as far as the MBTs and the SPARTs can go.

If this conflict continues, expect mountain fighting with the poor bloody infantry going man a mano or going against guerilla groups- its the only way for an undeveloped country to defeat a more sophisticated one. And as others have said before, expect lots of violence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 08/08/2008
- danoj I'm a Fan of danoj 17 fans permalink

Russia is invading due to the oil pipeline in caspian. This has been brewing for a while, and russia has been looking for a reason to go in there from day 1. The rebel uprising was just the excuse they needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 08/08/2008
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 45 fans permalink

GOOD POINT ! Isn't it great that Russia has found capitalism (tongue-in-cheek)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 08/08/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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"Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice urged Russia to halt aircraft and missile attacks and withdraw combat forces from Georgian territory. Rice said in a statement the United States wants Russia to respect Georgian sovereignty and agree to international mediation.­"

ROTFLMAO

What can I say. If it's one place the Bush administration has the moral high-ground, it's in halting our attacks, withdrawing our combat forces, recognizing another country's sovereignty and agreeing to international mediation ...

... NOT.

If the neo-conartists believe their business interests are threatened halfway around the world, it's fine to send in the Marines. But Russia, a country that BORDERS Georgia, is supposed to keep their noses out of their own back yard ... like the Iranians are also expected to.

What planet is the Bush administration from? And what idiots still run carry water for them?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 08/08/2008
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Spot on

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 08/08/2008
- DumbDad I'm a Fan of DumbDad 32 fans permalink
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You're just all moral relativists. Don't you know that the single moral principle is "America's righteous" and all comparisons are negative?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 08/08/2008
- snruB I'm a Fan of snruB 5 fans permalink
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Yeah!

Soviet Re-Union '08!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 08/08/2008
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LOL...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 08/09/2008
- gotalife I'm a Fan of gotalife 22 fans permalink

The old guy is having a press conference and bet he wants war with Russia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 08/08/2008
- JDJase I'm a Fan of JDJase 7 fans permalink

probably because he thinks they are talking about the U.S. State of Georgia

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 08/08/2008
- SILVANUS I'm a Fan of SILVANUS 50 fans permalink
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You realize the average well-educated American thinks there is fighting between Atlanta and Moscow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 08/08/2008

Only those with advanced degrees or academic types.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 08/08/2008

Isn't that what Fox News reported. They never lie and have all the facts!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 08/08/2008
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 45 fans permalink

SILVANUS, I knew those 'good ol boys' wanted at those 'commies'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 08/08/2008
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Thanks to our Duke of Hazard, the US will be given the cold shoulder and will be ineffective in helping to resolve this. Do not forget to register up to 30 days before the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 08/08/2008

We are not the worlds policeman. This is a Russia/Georgia problem

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 08/08/2008
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Helping to resolve diplomatically, Napoleon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 08/08/2008

How can this administration talk to anyone about invading another country? How can we tell them to cease fire? We didn't listen to anyone and I doubt if Russia will listen to us. Does that me that we will be involved in a third war? We are already spread thin which means that in order to obtain the needed manpower to help another ally, we would have to reinstate the draft? Americans are you ready for this? Those who voted for George Bush should be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 08/08/2008

Take a pill, take it easy. This is something that has been brewing for sometime. Your BDS is infecting your thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 08/08/2008
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 45 fans permalink

Chechyna, now Georgia, and probably Azeribajian down the road. Armenia an outside possibility, although they cow-tow to Russia most of the time

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 08/08/2008

Good coverage and updates on BBC.

No interruptions for Ed wards updates, either.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7550354.stm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 08/08/2008
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Thanks for the link. I couldn't believe the vapid nonsense on Fox, CNN and MSNBC. Bread and circuses comes to mind.

For those interested, the BBC link shows a very nice front shot of what looks like a Russian T-80 MBT with ERA (explosive reactive armor) on the glacis plate and turret. What is not so nice are the reports that Russian armor and aircraft are engaging in unrestricted firing into populated areas. Been waiting for another war in the Caucuses? Here we go again...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 08/08/2008
- doofmann02 I'm a Fan of doofmann02 2 fans permalink

Remember the raping and murdering of thousands of civilians by the Red Army during WWII? Officially they don't even recognize it as having happened, so don't be surprised if they burn civilians without a second thought. Gov. bush can look into Putin's eyes adoringly as much as he wants, these guys are not our allies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 08/08/2008

Actually, it's more likely that the Russians are trying to test the strength of their military, as well as to make a case for greater defense spending for newer equipment at the expense of the Georgians. All the while knowing that the US, and the rest of NATO can't, or will not, do anything to stop the conflict before they finish it. This has nothing to do with Bush and Cheney. It has everything to do with Putin and how he views Russias place in the world. As to the Russians being worn out by this excercise, don't bet on it. They have been pushing for it for it for sometime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 08/08/2008

Russia wants to make sure it keeps its dominating position vis a vis the Caspian oil pipeline. What's new here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 08/08/2008

Exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 08/08/2008

and the problem with that...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 08/08/2008
- Bubba Gump I'm a Fan of Bubba Gump 225 fans permalink
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Ask the Germans how they felt a couple years ago when Putin squeezed off their natural gas. He flexed the Russian Bear's muscle with the flick of a switch. And the Germans renegotiated in Russia's direction.

Now the Bear takes a major oil pipeline to the West, especially Europe, our NATO allies. That's the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 08/08/2008
- omop I'm a Fan of omop 2 fans permalink

A couple of things are almost certain. Its not going to cost Russia 4 trillion dollars and it will be over in less than 6 weeks. Like any divorce usually more ugly than friendly. But its also like having an affair its gonna cost you. And could be compared to Cuba, Venezuela or Columbia wanting to be more firendlier with russia than the US.

Another good example of bad logic along the lines of the cakewalk into Iraq. Except in the case of Georgia somebody local must be making the money. In any case. The emerging reality is that people in any government are now more beholden to other governments than to their own people.

Makes one wonder whether such tie-ins will accelerate people or gang groupings at the expense of national government­s.? Still a lot of needless killings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 08/08/2008

AZRealProgressive seems to have the same posting style as DesertedBlight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 08/08/2008

And yours to Black Widow Pilot. Nasty, offensive, and churlish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 08/08/2008

Yep. It's you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 08/08/2008
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Why, thank you AZRealRegressive!

Coming from you, it is high praise indeed.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 08/11/2008
- InedaName I'm a Fan of InedaName 9 fans permalink
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And what is Breaking News on Fox, CNN, and MSNBC right now? The John Edwards affair. No wonder so many of us can't even find the STATE of Georgia on a map!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 08/08/2008
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Georgia is next to Russia too? Even stupid people know that Georgia is next to Alabama and Florida...­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 08/08/2008
- MikeDu I'm a Fan of MikeDu 148 fans permalink
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McCain thinks it shares a border with Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 08/08/2008
- brainuser I'm a Fan of brainuser 4 fans permalink

Here too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 08/08/2008
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 45 fans permalink

BTW, don't blame us if people can't find the state of Georgia on a map. Blame the American Public School System, the politically-correct thought police, and the teacher's union.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 08/08/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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With Rice involved we can count on the exactly wrong approach and posture on this issue regarding Russia...

Russian/ American relations are at a lowest point since the end of the cold war and the idea of Georgia joining NATO is not one that will bring or stability but is an intentional effort to antagonize Russia the same way we would see this as American aggression and antagonism if they were to do the same regarding an American state or protectorate seeking to secede or declare it's independen­ce...

This is no time for America to antagonize and be seen to encroach upon Russian sovereignty we are at a crucial point in our ever worsening relations with them especially with issues such as the coming Iran conflict unresolved­...

Bush and Rice have done great harm to Russian American relations and this only makes our world more dangerous and less stable...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 08/08/2008
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