Russia vs Georgia: Outbreak Of Hostilities After Georgia Tries To Regain Breakaway Province

MUSA SADULAYEV | August 8, 2008 11:44 PM EST | AP

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In this image, made from television, Russian military vehicles are moving towards the breakaway South Ossetia republic's capital, Tskhinvali, on Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. Russia's Defense Ministry says it has sent reinforcements to its peacekeepers deployed to South Ossetia to help end bloodshed. Georgian officials confirmed that the Russian convoy had crossed the border and was advancing toward Tskhinvali. Georgia launched a massive attack Friday to regain control over South Ossetia, using heavy artillery, aircraft and armor. South Ossetian officials said at least 15 people were killed Friday and an unspecified number were wounded. (AP Photo/APTN)

DZHAVA, Georgia — Russia sent an armored column into the breakaway enclave of South Ossetia after Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, launched an offensive to crush separatists. Georgia reported early Saturday that warplanes attacked three of its bases and some key oil facilities.

Witnesses said hundreds of civilians have died in the fighting, which threatened to ignite a wider war between Georgia and Russia and escalate tensions between Moscow and Washington.

Georgia said it was forced to launch the assault because of rebel attacks; the separatists alleged Georgia violated a cease-fire.

The South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali was reportedly devastated. Ossetia spokeswoman Irina Gagloyeva said the city came under prolonged fire during the night "but it was suppressed" by the armed forces, the Interfax news agency quoted her as saying Saturday.

"I saw bodies lying on the streets, around ruined buildings, in cars," said Lyudmila Ostayeva, 50, who had fled with her family to Dzhava, a village near the border with Russia. "It's impossible to count them now. There is hardly a single building left undamaged."

The fighting broke out as much of the world's attention was focused on the start of the Olympic Games and many leaders, including Russia's Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President Bush, were in Beijing.

The timing suggested Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili may have been counting on surprise to fulfill his longtime pledge to wrest back control of South Ossetia _ a key to his hold on power. The rebels seek to unite with North Ossetia, which is part of Russia.

Saakashvili agreed the timing was not coincidental, but accused Russia of being the aggressor. "Most decision makers have gone for the holidays," he told CNN. "Brilliant moment to attack a small country."

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Seeking to prevent an all-out war, diplomats issued a flurry of statements calling on both sides to halt the fighting. The U.N. Security Council held two tense emergency sessions 12 hours apart with both sides using the forum to launch accusations. As the meeting recessed, officials promised a third council session Saturday.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice urged Russia to halt aircraft and missile attacks and withdraw combat forces from Georgian territory. Rice said in a statement the United States wants Russia to respect Georgian sovereignty and agree to international mediation.

The leader of South Ossetia's rebel government, Eduard Kokoity, said about 1,400 people were killed in the onslaught, the Interfax news agency reported. The toll could not be independently confirmed.

As night fell, there were conflicting claims as to who held the battlefield advantage.

Saakashvili said "Georgian military forces completely control all the territory of South Ossetia" except for a northern section adjacent to Russia. But Russian news agencies cited a Russian military official as saying heavy fighting was under way on the outskirts of the regional capital.

Early Saturday, Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said the Vaziani military base on the outskirts of the Georgian capital was bombed by warplanes during the night and that bombs fell in the area of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline. He also said two other Georgian military bases were hit and that warplanes bombed the Black Sea port city of Poti, which has a sizable oil shipment facility.

Utiashvili said there apparently were significant casualties and damage in the attacks, but that further details would not be known until the morning.

Earlier, Georgia's Foreign Ministry accused Russian aircraft of bombing two military air bases, inflicting some casualties and destroying several military aircraft. Rustavi 2 television said four people were killed and five wounded at the Marneuli air base.

Twelve Russian troops were killed and 30 wounded in the fighting, said Russian Ground Forces spokesman Col. Igor Konashenkov. Saakashvili said late Friday that about 30 Georgians had been killed "mainly members of the Georgian armed forces."

It was unclear what might persuade either side to stop shooting. Both claim the battle started after the other side violated a cease-fire that had been declared just hours earlier after a week of sporadic clashes.

The United States was sending in its top Caucasus envoy, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Matthew Bryza, to try to end the bloodshed.

It was the worst outbreak of hostilities since the province won de facto independence in a war against Georgia that ended in 1992. Russian troops went in as peacekeepers but Georgia alleges they now back the separatists.

Russia, which has granted citizenship to most of the region's residents, appeared to lay much of the responsibility for ending the fighting on Washington.

In a telephone conversation with Rice, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Georgia must be convinced to withdraw its forces, according to a ministry statement.

Georgia, which borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia, was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the breakup of the Soviet Union. Georgia has angered Russia by seeking NATO membership _ a bid Moscow regards as part of a Western effort to weaken its influence in the region.

Saakashvili long has pledged to restore Tbilisi's rule over South Ossetia and another breakaway province, Abkhazia. Both regions have run their own affairs without international recognition since splitting from Georgia in the early 1990s and have built up ties with Moscow.

Georgia has about 2,000 troops in Iraq, making it the third-largest contributor to coalition forces after the U.S. and Britain. But Saakashvili told CNN the troops would be called home Saturday in the face of the South Ossetia fighting.

A senior U.S. defense official said Georgian authorities have asked the United States for help getting their troops out of Iraq. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the discussions have been private, said no formal decision has been made on whether to support the departure, but said it is likely the U.S. will do so.

Also, Pentagon officials said Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has reached out to his counterparts in Russia and Georgia, but has not yet connected with them.

Russia's Defense Ministry said it was sending in reinforcements for its troops in the province, and Russian state television and Georgian officials reported a convoy of tanks had crossed the border. The convoy was expected to reach the provincial capital, Tskhinvali, by evening, Channel One television said.

Putin warned in the early stages of the conflict that the Georgian attack would draw retaliation and the Defense Ministry pledged to protect South Ossetians, most of whom have Russian citizenship.

Chairing a session of his Security Council in the Kremlin, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev also vowed that Moscow will protect Russian citizens.

"In accordance with the constitution and federal law, I, as president of Russia, am obliged to protect lives and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they are located," Medvedev said. "We won't allow the death of our compatriots go unpunished."

On Friday, an AP reporter saw tanks and other heavy weapons concentrating on the Russian side of the border with South Ossetia _ supporting the reports of an incursion. Some villagers were fleeing into Russia.

The Georgian state minister for reintegration, Temur Yakobashvili, said Georgian forces had shot down four Russian combat planes over Georgian territory but gave no details. Russia's Defense Ministry denied an earlier Georgia report about one Russian plane downed and had no immediate comment on the latest claim.

Yakobashvili said one Russian plane had dropped a bomb on the Vaziani military base near the Georgian capital, but no one was hurt. More than 1,000 U.S. Marines and soldiers were at the base last month to teach combat skills to Georgian troops.

South Ossetia officials said Georgia attacked with aircraft, armor and heavy artillery. Georgian troops fired missiles at Tskhinvali, an official said, and many buildings were on fire.

Georgia's president said Russian aircraft bombed several Georgian villages and other civilian facilities.

A senior Russian diplomat in charge of the South Ossetian conflict, Yuri Popov, dismissed the Georgian claims of Russian bombings as misinformation, the RIA-Novosti news agency reported.

The Georgian attack came just hours after Saakashvili announced a unilateral cease-fire in a television broadcast late Thursday in which he also urged South Ossetian separatist leaders to enter talks on resolving the conflict.

Georgian officials later blamed South Ossetian separatists for thwarting the cease-fire by shelling Georgian villages in the area.

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Associated Press writers Misha Dzhindzhikhashvili in Tbilisi, Vladimir Isachenkov in Moscow and John Heilprin at the United Nations contributed to this report.

DZHAVA, Georgia — Russia sent an armored column into the breakaway enclave of South Ossetia after Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, launched an offensive to crush separatists. Georgia reported early...
DZHAVA, Georgia — Russia sent an armored column into the breakaway enclave of South Ossetia after Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, launched an offensive to crush separatists. Georgia reported early...
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Hmmm, right wing NATO wannabe and Bush ally escalates violence... who else might be involved?

"Israel Backs Georgia in Caspian Oil Pipeline Battle with Russia

Last year, the Georgian president commissioned from private Israeli security firms several hundred military advisers, estimated at up to 1,000, to train the Georgian armed forces in commando, air, sea, armored and artillery combat tactics. They also offer instruction on military intelligence and security for the central regime. Tbilisi also purchased weapons, intelligence and electronic warfare systems from Israel.

These advisers were undoubtedly deeply involved in the Georgian army’s preparations to conquer the South Ossetian capital Friday."

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1358

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 08/08/2008

The Georgians are clearly the agressors here. South Ossetia has been functionally independent of Georgia since 1992. The Ossetians are not Georgians and do not want to be part of Georgia. They have as much right to be independent of Georgia as the people of Kosovo have the right to be independent of Serbia.

The Georgians invaded South Ossetia in order to quash its de facto independence. It is the Russians who are defending the will of the people who live there. As long as the Russians do not go beyond the borders of South Ossetia and into Georgia proper they are justified in what they are doing and are actually the good guys and the United States should not interfere with this. A confrontation with Russia over this is not in the interest of the United States.

And for the U.S. to try to bring former members of the former Soviet Union into NATO is very properly seen as provokative by Russia. The actions of the United States in this region are another aspect of the Neocon's ill advised and immoral attempt to impose U.S. domination on the world as outlined in the Project for the New American Century.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 08/08/2008

Uh.... Chechnya? Bosnia? Russia had no problems rolling into Chechnya to suppress its independence, or in supporting Serbia who was trying to exterminate Muslims and turn Bosnia into a Serb puppet.

I wish the fighting hadn't started, as it is a terrible thing. But if the Russians come in, I hope they get another Chechin surprise. We'll see if Putin's new Russian Empire has improved since putting up a brutal dictator in Chechnya.

You watch - if the Russians win, both South Ossetia and Georgia will be pulled into Russia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 08/08/2008

(AP) " Georgia launched a major military offensive Friday to retake the breakaway province of South Ossetia. Witnesses said the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali was devastated."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 08/08/2008

Who is the bad guy and who is the good guy depends on the specific situation. The Russians were the bad guys in supporting Serbian opression and are the bad guys in Chechnya, but they are the good guys in Ossetia, while the Georgians are the bad guys.

We should have made it clear to the Georgians that if the invade Ossetia they are on their own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 08/08/2008
- JackND I'm a Fan of JackND 27 fans permalink

""for the U.S. to try to bring former members of the former Soviet Union into NATO is very properly seen as provokative by Russia""\

Too bad. Russia doesn;t control the affairs of those nations. If they aren't free to join any international organziation they please, why be independent?

And the high irony of your statement about "being provocative to Russia", what could be more "provocative" to these nations than Soviet occupation and oppression for decades?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 08/08/2008
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Grenada was free to allow any country they wanted to build an airfield there. We didn't see it that way.

Likewise the Russians get a little spooked when we start extending our military influence into their neighborhood.

We told them that if Germany reunified, NATO would not expand eastward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 08/08/2008

Russia vs. Georgia?? As The Bulldogs are ranked pre -season#1 in the nation, I'll take Georgia-3 tanks!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 08/08/2008
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You know the US isnt going to do anything but talk over this. Earlier this morning on MSNBC they showed Bush at the Olympics in China. He walked over and gave Putin a big hug , handshake and smile. And what can the US really do, we unfortunately have set the precedence for invasion and domination of other countries. Then again, the US is known worldwide for being hypocrites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 08/08/2008

Russia yearns for the Soviet Union and the Russia that Catherine the great conquered. Welcome to the new 21st century. Another reason for the USA to have a very strong USA of beware of the apologists pacifism of the far left. This can get out of control, Georgia is pro USA, oh that is wrong! must be stooges of the imperialists of wall street . Bill of rights in russia?separation of powers? free elections? what's that in Russia.Bring on the new Russian Mafia!... We are next...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 08/08/2008
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You sure are stupid! Stop watching Fox dude!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 08/08/2008

As we get set to leave Iraq...we MUST raise the straw man of "those Commies in Russia" to keep our war machine greased for the next Boogeyman!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 08/08/2008
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Power of nightmares!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 08/08/2008

How about a free election in Ossetia to determine whether they want to be part of Georgia? The Ossetians would vote for independence and the Georgians know it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 08/08/2008
- JackND I'm a Fan of JackND 27 fans permalink

Again, if Russia invaded Latvia, and moved enough Russians into Latvia such that it was 60% Russian and only 40% Latvian, and then held a "free election" as to whether Latvia should be part of Russia, what do you think the outcome would be?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 08/08/2008

Worked great for Chechnia when it tried to leave russia

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 08/08/2008

Russian Mafia? Dude as a sheltered American you obviously know nothing about Georgian Mafia and the fact that corruption in Georgia makes Russian a boy scout convention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 08/08/2008

Dude you clearly know nothing.. in underworld georgians have been traditionally inforcers for Russian mafia.... Russian always called the shots... that is until Putin showed up and killed off part of russian mob which disagreed with him and brough other part into the goverment

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 08/08/2008

No, beware of the fools of the right who have bankrupted the US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 08/08/2008
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Bush has sent a message to the joint chiefs asking how close the Russians are to Atlanta.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 08/08/2008
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Jimmah Carter taken hostage!

(No one cares.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 08/08/2008

Great idea!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 08/08/2008
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A neocon trolls’ attempt at humor, how quaint.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 08/08/2008
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:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 08/08/2008
- JackND I'm a Fan of JackND 27 fans permalink

Why i Russia any more entitled to "influence in the region" of Goergia than he is in the "region" of Poland and the Czech Republic. If these nations want nothing to do with Russia, nor want Russia to have a say in their policies and activities, then they shouldn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 08/08/2008

The South Ossetians want nothing to do with Georgia. The Russians are the ones who are defending the will of the people living there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 08/08/2008
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So how do you feel about an independent Kurdistan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 08/08/2008

let me finish the Captain's statement...
... because Russia wants to annex South Ossetia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 08/08/2008

The Russians weren't interested in defending Ossetia until the day the U.S. helped wrestle the Kosovo from the Serbs, under the pretext that "there are more Albanians there." Now the Russians are imitating the U.S., saying that Ossetia "there are more ethnic Russians." This is a pandora box of stupid spliting national borders that has been opened by the U.S. and the EU! I cried against this stupidity, fearing that a precedent would be set for other secessions! But we the people have no voice!!! The precedent has now been opened in Ossetia, an ancient Georgian territory which the Russians want to secede!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 08/08/2008

Because it happens to be a convenient excuse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 08/09/2008

Quick explanation: in American press "separatists"are people whose freedom we don't approve of. When support someone then they're "freedom fighters"... "liberty from oppression"... Thats why Ossetia are separatists and Kosovo and Kurds are "freedom fighters."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 08/08/2008
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Your point of view is even simpler: if they're Mu_slim (Kosovo, Kurds), they're all terrorists: waste them. If they are Christian (ethnic Russians in Georgia), then they're "freedom fighters"... Anybody who simply takes a passing glance at your profile knows you're making the triple-K proud...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 08/08/2008

Unfortunately, your caught up on political correctness and the fallacy that all religions are equal, which they are not. Though I would say that they are all dangerous, but some not to the degree that others are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 08/08/2008

I support Kurds, I do not support Kosovans.

But anyone who read your hysteria knows that you'd make K-Y proud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 08/08/2008
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"Ten Russian peacekeepers ..."

While communist invaders are peacekeepers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 08/08/2008

(AP) " Georgia launched a major military offensive Friday to retake the breakaway province of South Ossetia. Witnesses said the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali was devastated."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 08/08/2008

Read the post knee jerkers--- Georgians attacked first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 08/08/2008

(AP) " Georgia launched a major military offensive Friday to retake the breakaway province of South Ossetia. Witnesses said the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali was devastated."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 08/08/2008
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The larger issue is that if Georgia had already joined NATO, a track which the Administration is pursueing, the U.S. would be legally committed to the defense of its fellow ally. The decision to push NATO right up to Russia's borders, a decision supported by both the Clinton and Bush Administration's, was a catastrophic mistake. As much as I support the Georgians against the growing imperialism of Putin and his depraved jingoistic supporters, there is not much we can do to resist Russian advances on their borders. We simply do not have a national interest/stake in going to war in the Caucasus, not now, and not in the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 08/08/2008
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Imperialistc Putin? You must be on drugs dude! After 8 years of the lunatic cowboy Bush, you have the nerve to call Russia names? How many countries has Putin invaded the past 8 years? Do they not have a right to protect their interests like we do? I guess you think only we have a right to defend our people and interests around the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 08/08/2008
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Actually, this makes at least two countries Putin has invaded.

Chechnya.

And the USA is in no position to influence events because of the stupidity of Rice, Cheney, Bush et al.

Good job!

Maybe if you work a little more you can reinstate the Cold War before January 09.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 08/08/2008
- bluescat47 I'm a Fan of bluescat47 6 fans permalink

Nice but unsuccessful effort to change the subject. Apparently no one is capable of imperialism except the hated Bush. I dont support Bush either, but please, dont let Putin off the hook - journalists who criticize the regime have been murdered by the security services, they flattened Chechna and murdered thousands (just read Human Rights Watch reports),
they have used energy as a weapon against the Ukraine and Poland, and have been trying to overturn democratic processes in the Ukraine (and kill their President), and on and on.
Apparently you have been sleeping for the past decade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 08/08/2008

The United States is frittering away its economic resources in all kinds of unneccessary foreign adventures. Iraq should teach us that it is not in our interest to keep getting involved in military adventures all over the world. We should stay out of this, just as we should have stayed out of Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 08/08/2008

(AP) " Georgia launched a major military offensive Friday to retake the breakaway province of South Ossetia. Witnesses said the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali was devastated.
Hopefully,future and present NATO members wouldn't get involved in destroying lives and homes of their own citizens, like Georgia is doing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 08/08/2008

Notice that his is an Associated Press story. 80% of it's contributors are owned by Murdoch and/or General Electric. The rest might as well directly belong to them. I think I'll wait for more information before I form an opinion here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 08/08/2008

I have ears for people like you who are educated to know the political consiquence of allowing unstable countries like Georgia to join NATO. We will soon have 3rd World War.

Nice analysis and summary!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 08/08/2008
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Pushing NATO right up to Russia's borders was designed to humilate and taunt Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. This started under Bill Clinton and continues under Bush. It was a foolish mistake, similar to the Treaty of Versailles and how it humilated Germany after WWI.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 08/08/2008

haha i hope Putin mops the floor with these clowns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 08/08/2008

yes... i hope putin gets used to invading sovereign nations also.. next he should go for france, italy, uk and, of course, GERMANY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 08/08/2008

It is Georgia that has invaded an area that won its de facto independence from Georgia in 1992 and has been functionally independent since then.

The Ossetians have just as much right to be independent of Georgia as the people of Kosovo from Serbia. As long as the Russians limit themselves to South Ossetia and do not go into Georgia, they are the good guys in this case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 08/08/2008
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WHAT ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 08/08/2008

WHAT!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 08/08/2008

Putin Reminds me of so much of Bush.

They could be brothers.

But now it looks like they might be fighting against each other.

I wonder how long McCain will wait to politicize this to help him get votes.

btw i was just kidding about the comment i post before.

Maybe I should've added jk at the end.

My bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 08/08/2008

How exactly does Putin remind you of Bush?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 08/08/2008
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"Maybe I should've added jk at the end."

Add jfk at the end and it would make perfect sense. He invaded Cuba and escalated in Viet Nam. A good democrat just keeping the world safe for socialism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 08/08/2008
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Bush looked into his eyes in Texas, remember? LMAO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 08/08/2008

Nope.. it takes the Russians 2 tries.. like when they attacked Chechnya. He'll go in and get his hat handed to him, then come back with his whole army. That's the Russian way.

And since Russians have been provoking Georgians for awhile, I hope it is the Russians on the floor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 08/08/2008

All parties to this conflict are guilty in some way or other. And that includes the US and EU and NATO!
Unfortunately, the US does not border the Caucasus -- unlike Russia -- and therefore can be very cavalier and calous about the potential crisis, war and ethnic cleansing that may ensue.
This is 'Shock and Awe' -- Georgian-style. Afterall, US has been training their army for the last years for this. Watch Iran....this could be a diversion orchestrated by Bush's protege and real soul-mate, Saakashvili.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 08/08/2008

I agree mostly, except that Putin (or Pooty-Poot, as George liked to call him) is far more George Bush - like that Saakashvilli.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 08/08/2008

Russia have been begging for a chance to attack Georgia, they have been more bellicose by the week and they just saw a window. The eye of the world has moved to the middle east while Russia fights over the scraps of the cold war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 08/08/2008

Dude, so the "window" Putin saw saw was when Georgia killed a number of Russian peacekeepers and killed bunch of civilians in Ossetia. Among educated people this is called Casus belli.
Among knee-jerker$ Anti-Russians this is called a" window."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 08/08/2008

When you purposefully put your troops in harms way to start a war, its called manipulation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 08/08/2008

(AP) " Georgia launched a major military offensive Friday to retake the breakaway province of South Ossetia. Witnesses said the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali was devastated."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 08/08/2008
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save us McCain only you know how to win wars (end sarcasm)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 08/08/2008
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We can't do anything any how! Bush/channey/mccain has us mired down in the iraq war! Here's another war for mccain to get us into! War,War,War! You watch! He'll yell we need to go to war with Russia now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 08/08/2008

I agree, John "Kaiser" McCain hates Russia and is salivating at the prospect of a nuclear war, but I suspect he secretly despises China as well and he'll try to get us into a war with them as well. Maybe he wants to launch all those nukes to help his skin cancer, maybe it's some advanced form of chemotherapy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 08/08/2008
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McCain wants us embroiled in this, on Georgia's side. but don't fall for it. We have no dog in this fight. Georgia has the right to independence, but so does South Ossetia, where the majority hold Russian citizenship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 08/08/2008

Do you have any evidence of that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 08/08/2008
- jvarga I'm a Fan of jvarga 4 fans permalink

I''m sure McCain, if asked, would say that these were islands in polynesia of something, since he has such a weak grasp on geography.

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- BigLib I'm a Fan of BigLib 18 fans permalink

Barry looks forward to his first term of six years as president of these 57 states.

DOH!

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