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MISHA DZHINDZHIKHASHVILI | August 10, 2008 10:59 PM EST | AP

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A column of Russian tanks rolls near the town of Dzhava in the separatist Georgian province of South Ossetia, Sunday, Aug. 10, 2008. Georgia called a cease-fire Sunday and said it was pulling its embattled troops out of the disputed province of South Ossetia, submitting to Russia's far superior firepower, but Moscow disputed the pullout claim. (AP Photo/Musa Sadulayev)

TBILISI, Georgia — Russia battled Georgian forces on land and sea, reports said late Sunday, despite a Georgian cease-fire offer and its claim to be withdrawing from South Ossetia, the separatist Georgian province battered by days of intense fighting.

Russia claimed to have sunk a Georgian boat that was trying to attack Russian vessels in the Black Sea, and Georgian officials said Russia sent tanks from South Ossetia into Georgia proper, heading toward a strategic city before being turned back.

Russian planes on Sunday twice bombed an area near the Georgian capital's airport, officials said.

The violence appeared to show gargantuan Russia's determination to subdue diminutive, U.S.-backed Georgia, even at the risk of international reproach. Russia fended off a wave of international calls to observe Georgia's cease-fire, saying it must first be assured that Georgian troops have indeed pulled back from South Ossetia.

International envoys were heading in to try to end the conflict before it spreads throughout the Caucasus, a region plagued by ethnic tensions. But it was unclear what inducements or pressure the envoys could bring to bear, or to what extent either side was truly sensitive to world opinion.

Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili said one of the Russian raids on the airport area came a half hour before the arrival of the foreign ministers of France and Finland _ in the country to try to mediate.

Georgian Interior Ministry spokesman Temur Yakobashvili said Russian tanks tried to cross from South Ossetia into the territory of Georgia proper, but were turned back by Georgian forces. He said the tanks apparently were trying to approach Gori, but did not fire on the city of about 50,000 that sits on Georgia's only significant east-west highway.

Russia also sent naval vessels to patrol off Georgia's Black Sea coast, but denied Sunday that the move was aimed at establishing a blockade.

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The ITAR-Tass news agency quoted a Russian Defense Ministry spokesman as saying that Georgian missile boats twice tried to attack Russian ships, which fired back and sank one of the Georgian vessels.

South Ossetia broke away from Georgian control in 1992. Russia granted passports to most of its residents and the region's separatist leaders sought to absorb the region into Russia.

Georgia, whose troops have been trained by American soldiers, began an offensive to regain control over South Ossetia overnight Friday, launching heavy rocket and artillery fire and air strikes that pounded the regional capital Tskhinvali. Georgia says it was responding to attacks by separatists.

In response, Russia launched massive artillery shelling and air attacks on Georgian troops.

Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin said more than 2,000 people had been killed in South Ossetia since Friday, most of them Ossetians with Russian passports. The figures could not be independently confirmed.

The respected Russian radio station Ekho Moskvy reported that two journalists were killed by South Ossetian separatists, citing a correspondent of Russian Newsweek magazine.

Thousands of civilians have fled South Ossetia _ many seeking shelter in the Russian province of North Ossetia.

"The Georgians burned all of our homes," said one elderly woman, as she sat on a bench under a tree with three other white-haired survivors of the fighting.

She seemed confused by the conflict. "The Georgians say it is their land," she said. "Where is our land, then? We don't know."

The scope of Russia's military response has the Bush administration deeply worried.

"We have made it clear to the Russians that if the disproportionate and dangerous escalation on the Russian side continues, that this will have a significant long-term impact on U.S.-Russian relations," U.S. deputy national security adviser Jim Jeffrey told reporters.

The U.S. military began flying 2,000 Georgian troops home from Iraq after Georgia recalled them, even while calling for a truce.

"Georgia expresses its readiness to immediately start negotiations with the Russian Federation on a cease-fire and termination of hostilities," the Georgian Foreign Ministry said in a statement, adding that it had notified Russia's envoy to Tbilisi.

But Russia insisted Georgian troops were continuing their attacks.

Alexander Darchiev, Russia's charge d'affairs in Washington, said Georgian soldiers were "not withdrawing but regrouping, including heavy armor and increased attacks on Tskhinvali."

"Mass mobilization is still under way," he told CNN's "Late Edition."

President Bush sought to contain the conflict in Georgia on Sunday as the White House warned that "Russian aggression must not go unanswered." Bush, in Beijing for the Olympics, has pressed for internaitonal mediation and reached out Sunday to French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who heads the European Union. The two agreed on the need for a cease-fire and a respect for Georgia's integrity, a White House spokesman said.

The U.N. Security Council met for the fourth time in four days Sunday, with U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad accusing Moscow of seeking "regime change" in Georgia and resisting attempts to make peace. Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said Russians don't use the expression, but acknowledged there were occasions when elected leaders "become an obstacle."

Georgia borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia and was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union. Both South Ossetia and Abkhazia have run their own affairs without international recognition since fighting to split from Georgia in the early 1990s.

Both separatist provinces have close ties with Moscow, while Georgia has deeply angered Russia by wanting to join NATO.

Georgia's Security Council chief Alexander Lomaia said the Georgian troops had to move out of South Ossetia because of heavy Russian shelling. "Russia further escalated its aggression overnight, using weapons on an unprecedented scale," Lomaia said.

French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner called the hostilities in South Ossetia "massacres," hours before he and Finnish counterpart Alexander Stubb left for Tbilisi and a meeting with Saakashvili.

Kouchner said he would deliver a "message of peace" to Georgia and Russia, and call on both countries "to stop the fighting immediately."

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, meeting Saturday with South Ossetia refugees who had fled across the border to the Russian city of Vladikavkaz, described Georgia's actions as "complete genocide." Putin also said Georgia had lost the right to rule the breakaway province _ an indication Moscow could be ready to absorb the province.

Russian jets raided several Georgian air bases Saturday and bombed the Black Sea port city of Poti, which has a sizable oil shipment facility. The Russian warplanes also struck near the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline which carries Caspian crude to the West.

Russian officials said they were targeting Georgian communications and lines of supply. But a Russian raid Saturday on Gori near South Ossetia, which apparently targeted a military base on the town's outskirts, also killed many civilians.

Tskhinvali residents who survived the Georgian bombardment overnight Friday by hiding in basements and later fled the city estimated that hundreds of civilians had died.

The Georgian government said Sunday that 6,000 Russian troops have rolled into South Ossetia from the neighboring Russian province of North Ossetia and 4,000 more landed in Abkhazia. The Russian military wouldn't comment on troop movements.

Russia also sent a naval squadron to blockade Georgia's Black Sea coast. Ukraine, where the ships were based, warned Russia in response that it has the right to bar the ships from coming back to port because of their mission.

Both Ukraine and Georgia have sought to free themselves of Russia's influence, and to integrate into the West and join NATO.

Georgia said it has shot down 10 Russian planes, but Russia acknowledged only two.

NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said Russia violated Georgia's territorial integrity in South Ossetia and employed a "disproportionate use of force."

Adding to Georgia's woes, Russian-supported separatists in Abkhazia launched air and artillery strikes on Georgian troops to drive them out of a small part of the province they control.

Abkhazia's separatist government called out the army and reservists on Sunday and declared it would push Georgian forces out of the northern part of the Kodori Gorge, the only area of Abkhazia still under Georgian control.

Separatist Abkhazia forces also were concentrating on the border near Georgia's Zugdidi region.

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Associated Press writers David Nowak in Gori, Georgia; Douglas Birch in Vladikavkaz, Russia; and Jim Heintz, Vladimir Isachenkov and Lynn Berry in Moscow; and John Heilprin at the United Nations contributed to this report.

TBILISI, Georgia — Russia battled Georgian forces on land and sea, reports said late Sunday, despite a Georgian cease-fire offer and its claim to be withdrawing from South Ossetia, the separatis...
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I'm sure when President Obama sits down to talk with Putin this thing will be peacefully resolved, and quickly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 08/11/2008
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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It should be over by then but do tell GB to stop hiding in the bushes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 08/11/2008
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He's still waiting for instructions from C-heney.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 08/11/2008
- brainuser I'm a Fan of brainuser 4 fans permalink

Watched GWB on TV talking about Georgia's sovereignity and territorial integrity that has to be respected. A cliche' one could finish before he did. Straight from the horse's mouth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 08/11/2008

Obama just needs to fly over the area and the fighting will subside.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 08/11/2008
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So why hasn't Bush fixed his steely gaze upon them and cowed them into submission by the sheer force of his manliness and his tough Texas swagger?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 08/11/2008
- nastyvirus I'm a Fan of nastyvirus 2 fans permalink

Today Georgia (Lower Russia), Tomorrow Ukraine (Russia West), Then On To Belarus (Strange Russia), Lithuania (Buggered Russia), Latvia (Quaint Russia), and Finally, Great Britain (Traditional Russia)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 08/11/2008
- brainuser I'm a Fan of brainuser 4 fans permalink

Forget Estonia?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 08/11/2008
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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Never! My father came from there and all I have left, are two or three blurred
photos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 08/11/2008
- JackND I'm a Fan of JackND 27 fans permalink

Lithuania and Latvia are NATO members...things really get interesting at that point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 08/11/2008
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Historical names are:
For Russia - Bigger Russia
Ukraina/Ukraine - Smaller Russia
Belarus - White Russia

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 08/11/2008
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Can you imagine the panic that ran through Bush when he was told the Russians had attacked Georgia? Where will they hold the Masters next year?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 08/11/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 267 fans permalink
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Naughty, but funny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 08/11/2008
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 08/11/2008
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So will McCain nuke Russia?

http://www.political-buzz.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 08/11/2008
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Please.

The only 'button' Mc is likely to get near is the morphine on his I.V. drip.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 08/11/2008
- joanndarc I'm a Fan of joanndarc 3 fans permalink

I buy no "clear of cancer" MDs excuses for Mc

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 08/11/2008
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Based on the posts here, McCain's sternly-worded letter to Moscow is more sternly-worded than Obama's sternly-worded letter to Moscow.

This somehow proves that Republicans are tough and Democrats are at-best weak or at-worst communist sympathizers, even though Russia hasn't been communist for over a decade.

Or at least in twisted right-wing logic it somehow does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 08/11/2008
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That comes later. First, The Maverick wants a surge of US troops to defeat al Qaeda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 08/11/2008
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Bush and his thugs have long taken the position - as official American policy - that larger countries have the right to invade smaller ones "pre-emptively." I'm afraid the US no longer has any moral or legal authority to repudiate Russia for this. According to our Iraq logic, all the Russians need claim is that Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili is a "bad man" who needs to be removed from power because he MIGHT MAYBE pose a threat to them sometime in the future. I say, let the Russians win this war against terror! If they withdraw now, they are surrending, legitimating defeat! That's not hope we can believe in! Putin knows how to win wars! Putin for VP, McCain-Putin '08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 08/11/2008
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Yes, I think George better stay away from warning Russia about planning 'regime change' in Georgia (the Georgian president says that Russia is planning precisely that). On the other hand, we don't want more and more people dying over there all because, if George says to stop it, he will be charged, and with good reason, with hypocrisy and the like.

Putin has been waiting to knock this runaway, breakaway place around, for years, their independence disturbs him. They did start it but I still say that's no excuse for Putin to play Peter the Great in this matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 08/11/2008
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According to one report heard on the radio, at roughly the same moment that both Russia and Georgia were making public statements that they were at war, Bush was having lunch with Putin in Beijing.

My point is, Bush has so weakened Amerca's standing in the world, there's not much we (as a nation) can do about Russia on the foreign-political stage right now. The American people can speak out, and Congress might do something, but Bush has bound his own hands here, and those are the shackles McCain intends to wear proudly if elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 08/11/2008
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Awesome post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 08/11/2008

Bush must just be beside himself. He got to ride in the "big plane" again to go to the Olympics. He created some minor tension with the Chinese before getting there and now, he might be on the fringe of involvement in another war in someone else's Country. What a trifecta.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 08/11/2008

The western world never runs low on admirers of russian totalitarianism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 08/11/2008

as against what, american pacifism ? Pot, meet Kettle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 08/11/2008

Whatever, naive relativism is boring as hell. Its a multipolar world and we are the good ones and still the most powerful ones. We should make sure it stays that way. Period.

Obama has to make the right moves now.

McCain is scoring. He was extremely critical of Russia throughout his campaign.
This helps him now. Dont expect the american voter to fall for crap articles from antiwar.com they use common sense and recognize the enemy in this game.

Last thing i heard from Obama on foreign relations is that we are one world etc.

Obama has to respond hawkish on that otherwise he's doomed for November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 08/11/2008
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Conjecture...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 08/11/2008
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I keep hearing it said that Russia was using disproportionate force… well where have I heard the words; we will use overwhelming force, or this one “Shock and Awe”? We (the United States) were suppose to have the moral high ground but since we lost it in Iraq our criticisms ring hollow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 08/11/2008

Huge multi-national US Naval Armada heads for Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 AM on 08/11/2008
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Really! Link please.?
"U.S. Navy Armada. Multi-national?"
Sorry but I don't understand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 08/11/2008
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I'm not getting too excited about this just yet. I haven't seen it on any of the major news sites like BBC or AFP. None of the defense news sites like globalsecurity.org are showing it either.

If this links back to Debka or Asia Times I'd take it with a grain of salt. They tend to get breathless about this sort of thing.

I could be wrong, but I'm waiting for some confirmation from more reputable sources.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 08/11/2008
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Huh? Its on the BBC. You think this is some sort of joke? This has been brewing for quite some time. Seems Russia just waited till we were so occupied that we couldn't do anything about it. Not that Bush would have anyway. He'd rather go after someone that couldn't fight back in typical bully fashion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 08/11/2008
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Link please, preferrably one with a photo, I just love looking at big ships.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 08/11/2008
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The real problem with Russia goes back to the early 90's. Boosh I actually handled the fall of the Soviet Union brilliantly but in the 90's when we decided to keep Russia isolated, embrace it's former republics and even embrace China, Russia was left out in the cold figuratively. We should have helped Russia much more than we did financially instead of letting their people suffer with economic uncertainty and social anarchy. The real historical reference that matters is post WWI Germany. In essence the West made the same mistakes with Russia that we did with post WWI Germany. When the financial and social structure of Russia collapsed completely the affinity for a strong man like Putin to bring back order was all too compelling for the Russian people. Even though it was a cold war that the Russians lost, it was still a lost war which usually creates a political vacuum. Being generous to our old enemies is just as important as being generous to our allies. The west instead of letting Russia go it along should have instituted a post WWII strategy like the Marshal Plan to help Russia establish a stable and prosperous democracy like Germany and Japan. Instead we gloated over our cold war victory and punished Russia through isolation and apathy for it's suffering people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 08/11/2008
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"In essence the West made the same mistakes with Russia that we did with post WWI Germany." Germany looked to Wilson to represent its interests at Versailles,; despite his efforts, that didn't happen. Germany was not invited to the negotiations, but presented with results. Blame the UK and its Empire (especially Australia's Hughes), and France, for demanding reparations, and breaking up the Ottoman Empire tp pursue their territorial list.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 08/11/2008

With regards to reparations, that was essentially France. The UK was more in favor of a moderate approach, akin to that offered by Wilson, but folded under pressure from France (why anyone would fold under French pressure, I don't know, but lets let that slide for now) However, you are right on the Ottoman Empire issue

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 08/11/2008

Wow KQSK, I hadn't thought about it that way, but it makes sense.... too much sense. You would think after the international disaster caused by Versailles, that we would learn..... but, alas, history repeats itself in an endless cycle

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 08/11/2008
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Great parallels with the not so distant past. You are spot on with the analysis! This is something that I started thinking about when those first pictures of the Berlin Wall started coming across the airwaves ... this isn't the end, it's just the beginning and how are we, the US, going to address the opportunity. If you look at the US historically, the countries that we've fought and prevailed over, when we don't just pack up and leave, have become some of our staunchest allies like Germany, Japan, an to some extent, even Britain. Positive engagement is a powerful thing. The places that we leave behind/isolate alway end up back in our newspapers; and not in a good way.

Thanks for the geo-political analysis. Enjoyed reading it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 08/11/2008
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Tha analogy is incorrect Cold War was won by no party. Soviet Union had mishandeled it's economic/political transformation so unlike what China has done. China and it's party has been hadling the similar transformation in a wise manner of state control. Gorbachev made major miscalculations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 08/11/2008
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The only problem you have with your "analysis" is that it is not supported by the facts. Russia's economy was crushed by tying to keep up with American power spending almost 20% of their GDP on the military. When the 20% GDP was gone their economic system was going to collapse if it was not helped with outside sources. In face not only was Russia not helped it actually lost the land, population, bread basket and infrastructure of the combined soviet states to stave off collapse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 08/11/2008
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Rather predictable comments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 08/11/2008
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Please, if you have anything to add, feel free, we will wait.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 08/11/2008
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Do as I say, not as I do. Have we now regained our status as World Leaders?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 08/11/2008
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While it appears the Georgians provoked a Russian response in South Ossetia, it's apparent that the Russians are using a fairly localized dispute as a chance to expand their hegemony over the region. Although Russia has the veneer of civilization, it's still a barbaric country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 AM on 08/11/2008

Yeah, rrright...Americans are saints.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 AM on 08/11/2008
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How this all started. In 1992 South Ossetian seceded from Georgia and formed an autonomous region. Very similar to the Kurdish region in Iraq.

Years later Georgia joined the "coalition of the willing" to help the US invade Iraq. Since then the Boosh administration has payed back their Georgian bribe with weapons and money.

Then the Georgian leader thinking that he had the US on their side decided to invade the South Ossetian region.

Last Friday

"At least 10 Russian peacekeepers were killed as heavy fighting rage in Georgia's breakaway region of South Ossetia on Friday, reported dpa, refer to Russian news agency Interfax.

The agency cited South Ossetian official reporting many casualties in the separatist capital under heavy shelling and bombardment Friday.

Georgian troops now control a "large part of South Ossetia" and are seeing the rebel regions' capital Tskhinvali, Saakashvili said. "Tskhinvali is now liberated and fighting is ongoing now in the center.""

Again one sides liberator is the other sides invader.

No comes the total hypocrisy Boosh claims that Russia is being too aggressive.

No when 2 Israeli soldiers were kidnapped and Israel invaded Lebanon, Israel had the right to defend itself.

I'm not saying Russia is right for what it is doing but the hypocrisy of the West is amazing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 08/11/2008
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The actions of the US government appear to be not just hypocritical, but, in this case, downright diabolical.

As you point out, the US finances, trains, and equips the Georgian military. It has lobbied for the admission of Georgia into NATO, knowing that to be provocative, and having possibly grave implications in some future conflict.
Given the close relationship with the Georgian government, and the heavy presence of US military "trainers" and advisors, as well as CIA operatives, it is unbelievable that Bush/Cheney had no foreknowledge of Georgian president Saakashvili's plan for a sneak attack in the middle of negotiations.

In fact Bush/Cheney had many reasons to encourage Saakashvili. Their quick removal of Georgian troops from Iraq indicates they are more than willing to escalate the conflict.
(1) a good ploy for the upcoming elections
(2) possible cover for an attack on Iran
(3) a step in the overall neoCON plan. Specifically, revive the Cold War to further the militarization of the US in order to secure resources and ensure a most profitable distribution of wealth in the neoCON dubbed "New American Century".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 08/11/2008

Lots of woefully misinformed and uninformed commenters on this story. Saakashvili is just another opportunistic mafioso in a suit fully supported by the thugs in washington. Do yourself a favor and read Justin Raimondo's piece. And I'd love for someone to explain why NATO still exists? There's only one country here that's stuck in the cold war. Can you guess which one?


http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13285

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 AM on 08/11/2008

StuipdIsAsStupidDoes : Very interesting !

Thanx for the link.


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 AM on 08/11/2008
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I agree, I figured NATO would go the way of the Warsaw Pact, since both were created out of fear of each other. ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 AM on 08/11/2008
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That was a great article you linked to, by the way, just finished reading it. Sums up alot of what I had been thinking. And points out something I've been seeing for myself, the heavily pro-Georgia reporting on the war in the US media/propaganda. Also surprising, is the amount of pro-Georgia posters in here sounding like Bushclone Bots and McSame Samebots.

Obviously alot of posters here don't know much about Georgia past history. And while I don't know everything either, I do know enough, and for long enough, to know that it would be incredibily stupid to give them a spot in NATO. Soon as they got in NATO, they'd do the same thing they did this past week, and then demand NATO to do something about it. What Georgia needs, is a leader, not a dictator.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 AM on 08/11/2008

Very informative! Thank you so much for the link!

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