Obama On Russian Invasion Of Georgia: "No Possible Justification" (VIDEO)

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First Posted: 08-11-08 05:43 PM   |   Updated: 09-11-08 05:12 AM

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***UPDATE***

Obama addressed reporters Monday afternoon on the conflict in Georgia. CNN has the video:


Barack Obama has been criticized by some for letting John McCain dominate on the crisis in Georgia. Now he's out with a statement.


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For many months, I have warned that there needs to be active international engagement to peacefully address the disputes over South Ossetia and Abkhazia, including a high-level and neutral international mediator, and a genuine international peacekeeping force - not simply Russian troops.

No matter how this conflict started, Russia has escalated it well beyond the dispute over South Ossetia and invaded another country. Russia has escalated its military campaign through strategic bombing and the movement of its ground forces into the heart of Georgia. There is no possible justification for these attacks.

The United States, Europe and all other concerned countries must stand united in condemning this aggression, and seeking a peaceful resolution to this crisis. We should continue to push for a United Nations Security Council Resolution calling for an immediate end to the violence. This is a clear violation of the sovereignty and internationally recognized borders of Georgia - the UN must stand up for the sovereignty of its members, and peace in the world.

The full statement:

Good morning. The situation in Georgia continues to deteriorate because of the escalation of Russia's use of military force. I have spoken to President Saakashvili, and conveyed my deep regret over the loss of life, and the suffering of the people of Georgia.
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For many months, I have warned that there needs to be active international engagement to peacefully address the disputes over South Ossetia and Abkhazia, including a high-level and neutral international mediator, and a genuine international peacekeeping force - not simply Russian troops.

No matter how this conflict started, Russia has escalated it well beyond the dispute over South Ossetia and invaded another country. Russia has escalated its military campaign through strategic bombing and the movement of its ground forces into the heart of Georgia. There is no possible justification for these attacks.

I reiterate my call for Russia to stop its bombing campaign, to stop flights of Russian aircraft in Georgian airspace, and to withdraw its ground forces from Georgia. The Georgian government has proposed a cease-fire and the Russian government should accept it. There is also an urgent need for humanitarian assistance to reach the people of Georgia, and casualties on both sides.

The United States, Europe and all other concerned countries must stand united in condemning this aggression, and seeking a peaceful resolution to this crisis. We should continue to push for a United Nations Security Council Resolution calling for an immediate end to the violence. This is a clear violation of the sovereignty and internationally recognized borders of Georgia - the UN must stand up for the sovereignty of its members, and peace in the world.

I welcome the visit of the French and Finnish foreign ministers to Georgia as a first step toward mediation. There should also be a United Nations mediator to address this crisis, and the United States should fully support this effort. We should also convene other international forums to condemn this aggression, to call for an immediate halt to the violence, and to review multilateral and bilateral arrangements with Russia - including Russia's interest in joining the World Trade Organization.

The violence taking place along the Black Sea is just miles from Sochi, the site for the Winter Olympics in 2014. It only adds to the tragedy and outrage of the current situation that Russia has acted while the world has come together in peace and athletic competition in Beijing. This action is wholly inconsistent with the Olympic ideal.

While returning to a pre-August 8 military posture is a necessary first step to resolving this crisis, we cannot tolerate the unacceptable status quo that led to this escalation. That means Russian peacekeeping troops should be replaced by a genuine international peacekeeping force, Georgia should refrain from using force in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and a political settlement must be reached that addresses the status of these disputed regions.

Going forward, the United States and Europe must support the people of Georgia. Beyond immediate humanitarian assistance, we must provide economic assistance, and help rebuild what has been destroyed. I have consistently called for deepening relations between Georgia and transatlantic institutions, including a Membership Action Plan for NATO, and we must continue to press for that deeper relationship.

The relationship between Russia and the West is long and complicated. There have been many turning points, for good and ill. This is another turning point.

Let me be clear: we seek a future of cooperative engagement with the Russian government, and friendship with the Russian people. We want Russia to play its rightful role as a great nation - but with that role comes the responsibility to act as a force for progress in this new century, not regression to the conflicts of the past. That is why the United States and the international community must speak out strongly against this aggression, and for peace and security.

***UPDATE*** Obama addressed reporters Monday afternoon on the conflict in Georgia. CNN has the video: Barack Obama has been criticized by some for letting John McCain dominate on the crisis in G...
***UPDATE*** Obama addressed reporters Monday afternoon on the conflict in Georgia. CNN has the video: Barack Obama has been criticized by some for letting John McCain dominate on the crisis in G...
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- lady49 I'm a Fan of lady49 8 fans permalink

Is anyone paying attention to the fact that Senator Obama warned against this more than a year ago?

Come on America... wake up.....
It's called judgment, people, good judgment!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 08/11/2008
- GeoLee I'm a Fan of GeoLee 67 fans permalink

I hope that warning is on tape somewhere to prove to the naysayers that he really did. If it is, it should be in an ad tomorrow! You can bet the republicans are trying to vet that statement right now, so it better be published or recorded somewhere and dated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 08/11/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 08/11/2008

You're right!

Our world is much more Dangerous than it was eight-years ago

Obama had the Judgment to see the Effects the Iraq war would have on “World” Relations”
If this situations doesn’t Wake-up the American people to why strong Diplomatic Relations are necessary for keeping peace in the world, than help us all!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 08/11/2008
- Highwind I'm a Fan of Highwind 7 fans permalink
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The video is old. It's from Friday. He also put out a statement on Friday. WTH?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 08/11/2008

because it had to get here all the way from that super exotic locale cokie has been talking about!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 08/11/2008
- kkuate I'm a Fan of kkuate 2 fans permalink

""The UN must stand up for the sovereignty of its members, and peace in the world"" - Barack Obama

How come we have allowed so much incompetence in the White House for the past seven and a half years? Are we happy to be a nation of drooling idiots with the biggest one leading us? Tell me, what was Bush's response to the UN mediation during the escalation to the Iraq War? - -

Obama is the right choice for America, and for healthy international relations as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 08/11/2008

yeah i can see russia voting to sanction itself at the un.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 08/11/2008
- MoeB I'm a Fan of MoeB 55 fans permalink

The funny part is, kkuate, we have had such lunacy running the WH now, that when someone like Obama comes along with his "nuanced" answers to complicated questions, we don't know how to handle it. How sad is THAT? This WH has us so stuck on "talking points" that we don't know how to engage in real discussion on IMPORTANT issues. And during that time, we lost whatever media outlets we had (if any) to sort through the garbage that comes at us everyday. I mean, I swear if I hear CNN (and others) one more time allude that it is "smart" to appeal to the dumbest common denominator, I don't know what I'll do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 08/12/2008
- 111 I'm a Fan of 111 34 fans permalink

As Putin stated "Of course, Saddam Hussein ought to have been hanged for destroying several Shiite villages. And the incumbent Georgian leaders who razed 10 Ossetian villages at once, who ran elderly people and children with tanks, who burned civilian alive in their sheds -- these leaders must be taken under protection." South Ossetia had been accepted as independent of Georgia since the 90s but have also voted to become a part of the Russian Federation.

South Ossetia was in negotiations with Georgia when Georgia invaded without warning and for no reason. Georgia simply announced it was going to retake South Ossetia.

Russia called an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council to try to stop the invaders who were in Putin's words attempting to commit genocide.

We should be siding with Russia in this because Georgia is asking for a cease fire but they will not agree to withdraw their troops or not to use force. That is what Russia is asking for - Georgia to accept negotiations - but they won't do it.

Obama - wrong again

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 08/11/2008
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Call your mom and see if she'll give you a clue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 08/11/2008
- mouselion I'm a Fan of mouselion 123 fans permalink
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It's really not a black-and-white, cut-and-dried situation. Georgia is way wrong. if genocide allegations are true. Russia is way wrong, for going beyond the disputed territory, in an apparent "land grab" opportunity whilst playing moral highground. U.S. is wrong with several angles of this -- Bush administration for pushing for former soviet bloc countries to become NATO members so they will be proxies in a perceived continuation of Cold War tactics, McCain, and now Obama, toeing the U.S./Bush line. Probably, other entities as well (we will sooner or later learn). How does oil play in this? We are only speculating at this point -- although good theories abound, and the fact that oil rebounded in price this morning. One thing for sure: it is not so simplistic as the immediate blamers contend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 08/11/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 137 fans permalink
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..."South Ossetia had been accepted as independent of Georgia since the 90s"...

Please site your source.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 08/11/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 137 fans permalink
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sorry, "cite", either way you will fail in your attempt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 08/11/2008

McBUSH talking tough and making threats he can't back up with sending our sons and daughter to back up his tough talk. Hasn't talk to the UN hasn't talk to anyone but out there shooting off his mouth with no facts and no plan. Sen. O once again showing good judgment, making NO threats when he doesn't know all the facts and a plan in place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 08/11/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 137 fans permalink
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The talking points of Bush and McCain were identical today. Both talking trash to Russia, instead of trying to calm the situation, they continue to perpetuate a conflict.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 08/11/2008
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cowboy diplomacy at its finest...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 08/11/2008
- GrainOSand I'm a Fan of GrainOSand 269 fans permalink
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Mr. Obama shows sound judgment in the approach he posits for handling this crisis. Get the international parties together on the same page of denouncement, work the back channels, and do not talk publicly about anything military. Do not assign blame for the start of conflict but point out the well established right of Georgia to exist as a sovereign nation. Make a measured public statement and do not reveal your hole card.

McCain is consistent in his clumsy, all thumbs approach as exemplified in saying kick Russia out of the G8. All he knows is the club. He will definitely engage America in still more war; of this I am now thoroughly convinced. He only knows the stick and not the carrot. That was true of the cave dweller as well. Why would I venture to tell my opponent I am going to him in the mouth? The element of surprise and advantage is lost with such public pronouncements. McCain is a warrior, a tactician on the level of Sun Tzu, I think not, perhaps Winnie -- no, not Mandela, I mean Pooh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 08/11/2008

GW Bush is the F'ing president, who the F cares what O-bam-a has to say. He can't speak for the American people.

Damn Media biased against Dems as usual

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 08/11/2008
- lady49 I'm a Fan of lady49 8 fans permalink

Come on Huffpo....you let the geo-politico retards in again...

stay on you peas and Q's...
this comment is necrotic....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 08/11/2008
- Dave01 I'm a Fan of Dave01 9 fans permalink

Then why the hell is McCain getting so much face time talking about the issue in Georgia? He's not the F'ing president either. Damn Media bias TOWARD the Republicans who own ALL the cable news companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 08/11/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 137 fans permalink
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Do you even know what you wrote? You just referred to yourself as an ignorant loser.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 08/11/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

The writer says "now" O comes with a statement .... why is that said??? This statement was reported to have been given live on FRIDAY!!!???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 08/11/2008
- jsarets I'm a Fan of jsarets 184 fans permalink

"No matter how this conflict started, Russia has escalated it..."

Why is it irrelevant to consider how the conflict started? Georgia tried to retake territory it lost to Russia shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union. They claim they were responding to attacks from Russian separatists, but I'm not aware of any independent confirmation of such provocation.

Essentially, Georgia took a knife to Russia, who then made it a gun fight. Just like the recent conflict between Lebanon and Israel, the weaker power started it, but the dominant power catches all the flack for, well, being so dominant.

How is a dominant military power supposed to respond when a lesser power violates its territorial integrity? How about they respond in kind? So why is everybody getting upset with Russia for violating Georgia's territory when this whole thing started when Georgia violated Russia's territory?

The way this is being spun in the Western media reminds me of a football game where the refs only call unnecessary roughing on the guy that retaliated while the guy that started it gets an Academy Award for falling down dramatically and getting up slowly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 08/11/2008
- lady49 I'm a Fan of lady49 8 fans permalink

Lengthy---but WRONG.....

S.Settia belongs within the Georgian province and was attempting to sucede back to Russia.
For the past 2 years Russia has flooded S. Settia with Russian citizen's and Russian military....
Russia used it's "big guns" to "put down any attempt by the Georgian providence to prevent the succession......
Don't blame the Western media for this one....

Did you notice that the Bush administration had been in touch with the Russian government long before the media began reporting?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 08/11/2008

Obama isn't saying that what Georgia did was right, but that Russia went beyond a reasonable response to Georgia's actions and are now escalating in very dangerous ways. Which is why the ceasing of hostilities by the Russians should only be the first step, but that negotiations need to happen afterwards to address the valid concerns of the Russians as well. And to hopefully come to a resolution that both sides can agree to and live with

The alternative is to either ignore the situation and just hope it doesn't get too out of control and too many people die. Or get actively militarily involved and the US can't do that because we're stretched too thin, and shouldn't do that, because bombing people or declaring war on them, should be a last resort. International negotiations and pressure should be our first response. Make it so that it's within the best interests of the Russians and Georgians both, to stop a war from happening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 08/11/2008
- Sloan48 I'm a Fan of Sloan48 3 fans permalink

The dominate power needs to act responsibly and accordingly, not lash out in all out war. Russia completely avoided the diplomatic options that they had and went straight to war. That's the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 08/11/2008

Georgia shelled and killed 10 Russian soldiers in South Ossetia at the outbreak of the Georgian incursion. Was Russia supposed to send memos back and forth for three days before deciding to respond?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 08/11/2008
- PATina I'm a Fan of PATina 254 fans permalink
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I agree... except that Georgia didn't actually violate Russian territory. The people of South Ossetia have voted and declared that they no longer want to be a part of Georgia... but unlike Kosovo who also declared themselves "independent"... the UN won't recognize them as a sovereign nation. The South Ossetians... as an alternative to independent rule... would rather be a part of Russia (like their North Ossetian kin). Therefore... when Georgia attacked South Ossetia... the Russians (who've been acting as a "peacekeeping" force in the region) are defending South Ossetia.

I think it's very unfair for Sen. O and Sen. Mc Cain (along w/ the media) to paint Russia as the 'bad guys' in this situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 08/11/2008
- GrainOSand I'm a Fan of GrainOSand 269 fans permalink
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I live on a street where a big kid (let’s call her Rhoda Hard) just smacked a little kid (let’s call him Overly Zealous). What do I do? I convene all the other kids that will listen and make it clear that if we allow Rhoda to continue into the Zealous house, he will end up slapping the whole family and taking over the Lazy-Boy and the remote control -- you know the captains chair. It is in all of our interest to stand united against any further slapping by Rhoda who may have been justified in slapping junior (perhaps junior was trying to get too big for junior's britches) but who has clearly wandered into dangerous territory by showing signs she is willing to slap Junior’s momma and disrespect Junior’s daddy. Now of course I could say that we should all go kick Rhoda’s @ss but then Rhoda is not named Rhoda Hard for nothing for she has a history of riding hard against those who try to fight her. She possesses powerful weapons that cannot be ignored in terms of highlighting the need for cooler heads to prevail. Overly Zealous has a cousin too, named Ukraine Nervous and Ukraine is wondering if she is next.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 08/11/2008
- SpinDown08 I'm a Fan of SpinDown08 134 fans permalink
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Your analogy is so inept and juvenile that it's scary. Please just sit to the sidelines, take your meds, and let professionals deal with it.

Good luck with the McCain vote in November. you don't stand a chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 08/11/2008
- GrainOSand I'm a Fan of GrainOSand 269 fans permalink
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I bow to your professed genius. Allow me to suggest that perhaps a true genius would not bother to reply to the inept but would simply move on. The need to reply suggests a need to validate ones' own genius or professional status. As a purported professional, I would say you have work to do in the areas of evaluation of brethren; no bonus for you this year. There is nothing about me or within the position I expressed (which I intended to be a funny take on a tragic issue) that suggests any support for a McCain presidency. I received a similar comment once before at a time where I was already considering a break from logging my thoughts in this forum. This time I intend to call professionals on their claims of being professionals. Exactly what are you a professional at doing? Surely, you are not a professional at being respectful, encouraging, understanding, or just plain accepting of any voice that somehow does not please you. Who made you king or queen and if you are king or queen, peace out for your kingdom is found to be of the shabbiest sort. Now quit hanging out in the caves of the inept for kings and queens need not slum. Other than that, peace and love to you and yours in the interest of always trying (at least) to put the best me forward and not the worst. I can signify with best but I do hate the gutter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 AM on 08/12/2008
- 111 I'm a Fan of 111 34 fans permalink

On my street Rhonda called an emergency meeting of the block's Security Council. Rhonda wanted the kids to stop Bully Kid who was beating the crap out of Baby Kid. She tells the council, he is going to kill him if we don't stop this. Bully kid has weapons he is using against helpless, unarmed Baby Kid who already has two broken legs and lost an arm. The problem was that Baby Kid wanted to play with Rhonda and Bully Kid didn't like that.

The Security Council kids sat around and talked and talked about how they should do something but they didn't do anything. So Rhonda goes back outside and she pulls Bully Kid off of baby kid. Bully kid starts screaming - unfair, you are bigger than me! unfair. Bully kid tries to run away but Rhonda catches him and starts giving him some of what he was giving baby kid.

Bully kid's Best Friend is pretty big compared to the other kids she's only about the same size as Rhonda. Best Friend says - Rhonda, you cut that out. Rhonda reminds everyone that Best Friend has been stealing from strangers so Best Friend decides to be quiet and go home. The other kids in the neighborhood breathe a sigh of relief because now they know that as long as Rhonda is around they have someone who will protect them from Best Friend who has been making them pay protection money for years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 08/11/2008
- GrainOSand I'm a Fan of GrainOSand 269 fans permalink
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You are just up the street, which is to say that after reading your take I find I was near the neighborhood but not quite there.

Russia asked for help and got none to stop Georgia from brutalizing (bullying) Ossetia. Georgia did not like the ties of of Ossetia to Russia and felt threatened by the relationship. The members of the Security Council failed to come to an agreement that would produce meaningful action, so Russia took matters into its own hands. America is impotent to help because of lost credibility due to Iraq. Surrounding nations now feel they have leverage against the US which has engaged in extorting them for years.

I will continue to read up on the history of this conflict and I will come to my own conclusion (or not) about why. My first response was me thinking out loud rather than stating what I thought to be fact. I have heard many definitve explanations. I do find what you suggest to be plausible based on what I have read thus far, but I ask where does your certainty come from concerning all that is going on in the neighborhood? Are you absolutely certain that Russia has no other motives for its actions and if it does would Russia be right in pursuing, say regime change in Georgia?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 AM on 08/12/2008
- GrainOSand I'm a Fan of GrainOSand 269 fans permalink
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“…depicted Russian troops, tanks and dive-bombing aircraft allegedly "enforcing the peace," whatever that meant…coverage was totally jingoistic, condemning the invading Georgians…There was no mention of the fact that when Russia took control of the territory years ago, it handed out passports to local residents, automatically proclaiming citizenship to people who had once been regarded as Georgians.

“Blame for this mess can be apportioned equally.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/murray-fromson/musings-from-moscow_b_118516.html

On the street Mr. Fromson describes, has a slightly different character than in the scenario you painted. That is why I am still forming my opinion versus stating anything as fact concerning this. The location is far away; the people (on both sides) are close, in that I have empathy for all living beings (they are in my heart and mind). It is hard for me to know the truth versus that offered as truth by either side. Within this forum, there are many self-proclaimed experts. I make no such claim but I will make an effort to get at the truth and to state what I feel. The Rhonda on your street is justified while others are saying that perhaps Rhonda may have hidden intentions and be offering distortions of truth, just like what happens here in American politics.

I used the fictional story as a method to whiteboard the conflict towards analysis not proclamation. Thanks again for chiming in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 08/13/2008
- akkadian I'm a Fan of akkadian 8 fans permalink
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On a different topic,
I loved seeing Gush say today that invading a sovereign country is
not acceptable in the 21st century.
With a straight face and not even the faintest flicker.
Amazing stuff.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 08/11/2008

freedom gawd-damnit friggin freedom

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 08/11/2008
- Americano I'm a Fan of Americano 3 fans permalink
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Obama is my man! But he sounded almost bored make the short clip video statement on Georgia. Plus the reply substance-wize was weak. Just boiler plate, typical bla, bla, from poliiticans. A real statement could have started off like this: This is a terrible state of affairs taking place between Georgia and their neighbor Russia. And it is worsen, resulting from America's lack of world deplomatic engagement and leadership under this Bush Cheney presidency for the past 8 years, etc. etc. etc.!. We are as a nation are so distracted with Iraq that this world stage confrontation between Russia and Gerorgia, has taken our intelligent agencies by surprise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 08/11/2008
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I don't see how what Obama or McCain say about this matters at all. We already have a president.

And is McCain not acting too "presumptuous" in this situation? Who the h*ll does he think he is--acting presidential? Isn't that what he accused Obama of during his European trip?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 08/11/2008
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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Ummm, excuse me! But Georgia invaded South Ossetia, a Russian territory with alot of peacekeeping troops in it. Where the hell did this right field "Russia invaded Georgia" propaganda come from?? Who the hell is advising Obama?? They need to be fired immediately. What do people expected Russian peacekeepers to do? Lay down and die like good little corpses?? Hell no, they'd do what any reasonable person would do when attacked, they'd attack back and give it out as good as they got it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 08/11/2008

Russian territory? Look at the map again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7554507.stm

See that little silver line? and the words NORTH Ossetia and SOUTH Ossetia? See the Caucasus MOUNTAINS? Georgia went into it's OWN territory to try to control a breakaway. (not that they weren't being genocidal about it) The point is the only INVADING that happened was Russia invading Georgian territory, all the way back in Gori, Georgia where they've presumably taken over. There is not one single political entity anywhere other than Russia itself saying that anyone other than RUSSIA is overstepping themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 08/11/2008
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Really?? Duh. So why has South Ossetia been independent since 1992? Sure, alot didn't recognize that move, but that was pure politics. A second referendum was held in 2006, which is what got us to this point. Georgia is jealous, pure and simple. South Ossetia wants to join with their brothers and sisters in the northern half that ARE part of Russia, dummy. And I've specifically said that Russia had peacekeepers in the southern section, at the request of the autonomous region leaders, and they were attacked by Georgian's.

I fail to see where the hell I was wrong. If anything, your map backs up exactly what I said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 08/11/2008

In his speech Obama has manifested better judgment than McPedia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 08/11/2008

As long as O's speech made you feel better, great! In either case, nothing changed.

" If nothing changes, then nothing changes." DesertLight Book 1:1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 08/11/2008
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and how good did McWiki's speech make you feel?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 08/11/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 137 fans permalink
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...ah, sorry DesertLight

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 08/11/2008
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Full comment:

ah, sorry DesertLight, you did not coin that phrase, try again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 08/11/2008
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Well....ABC (Jake Tapper, I think) ran a piece comparing just the final paragraphs of Obama and McCain's speeches. Examined that way, Obama's seems hesitant compared w/ McCain's bellicose conclusion.

HuffP is the only place I've been able to find the full text of Senator Obama's speech (McCain's ran in-full earlier today on ABC's website). As an admitted supporter, I don't think the senator from Illinois could have expressed himself much better than he did.

Aren't the networks supposed to be providing a public service, instead of "servicing" the public?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 08/11/2008
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they're Mcjobkiller's base, what would you expect?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 08/11/2008
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It's ABC, we all knew that they were anti-Obama ever since that debacle of a debate they ran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 08/11/2008

Does ABC report News anymore. I thought they closed down their news division when Peter Jennings died

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 08/11/2008
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They were just "editing" like with the McCain interview, remember?

They are irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 08/11/2008
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