Russia defies truce with Georgia; US sending aid

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CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA and MATTI FRIEDMAN | August 13, 2008 11:58 PM EST | AP

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Russian soldiers walk in a street in Tskhinvali, in the Georgian breakaway province of South Ossetia, Wednesday, Aug. 13, 2008. Gutted and shrapnel-scarred buildings testify to fierce street battles and heavy rocket and bomb attacks in the separatist capital of South Ossetia. But there is little evidence civilians were specifically targeted by Georgian troops, as Russia claims. (AP Photo/Dmitry Lovetsky)

OUTSIDE GORI, Georgia — A Russian military convoy defied a cease-fire agreement Wednesday and rolled through a strategically important city in the former Soviet republic of Georgia, which claimed fresh looting and bombing by the Russians and their allies.

President Bush said a massive U.S. aid package was on the way for tens of thousands uprooted in the conflict and demanded Russia "keep its word and act to end this crisis."

"The United States stands with the democratically elected government of Georgia and insists that the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Georgia be respected," Bush said sternly in Washington.

One day after the Kremlin and its smaller neighbor agreed to a French-brokered cease-fire to end the dispute over two pro-Russian breakaway territories, the pact appeared fragile at best.

An Associated Press reporter saw dozens of Russian trucks and armored vehicles leaving the city of Gori, some 20 miles south of the separatist region of South Ossetia and home of a key highway that divides Georgia in two, and moving deeper into Georgia.

Soldiers waved at journalists and one jokingly shouted, "Come with us, beauty, we're going to Tbilisi." The convoy roared southeast, toward the Georgian capital, but then turned north and set up camp about an hour's drive away from it.

Georgian officials said the Russians had looted and bombed Gori before they left. Moscow denied the accusation, but it appeared to be on a technicality: A BBC reporter in Gori said Russian tanks were in the streets while their South Ossetian allies seized cars, looted homes and set houses on fire.

As confusion reigned on the first day of the cease-fire agreement, Bush called a Rose Garden speech to express concern about reports the Russians were already breaking it.

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He said he was sending Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice first to France and then to Tbilisi to reinforce U.S. efforts to "rally the world in defense of a free Georgia."

For her part, Rice said: "This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia where Russia can threaten a neighbor, occupy a capital, overthrow a government and get away with it. Things have changed."

The president said a huge U.S. aid effort was under way, including American naval forces and C-17 military cargo planes, to get clothes, blankets, medicine and other supplies to refugees. The European Union agreed to consider deploying European peacekeeping monitors to the area.

Besides the hundreds killed since hostilities broke out last week, a United Nations agency estimates 100,000 Georgians may have been uprooted. A spokesman said the U.N. refugee agency was helping evacuate about 1,500 people fleeing the Kodori Gorge in the breakaway province of Abkhazia alone on Wednesday.

Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili conducted a blitz of interviews with news outlets at home and abroad and made a series of claims, some of which were disputed as inaccurate or exaggerated.

He said on national television that the U.S. arrival of a military cargo plane with humanitarian aid "means that Georgia's ports and airports will be taken under the control of the U.S. Defense Department."

Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell stressed the United States had no plans to take over Georgian airports or seaports to deliver the aid.

"It is simply not required for us to fulfill our humanitarian mission," he said. "We have no designs on taking control of any Georgian facility."

In a sharp response to Bush's speech, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov called Georgia's leadership "a special project of the United States. And we understand that the United States is worried about its project."

Russian news agencies quoted him saying the United States would have to choose "support for a virtual project" and or "real partnership" on issues such as U.S.-Russian cooperation on Iran and other world tension spots.

Saakashvili criticized Western nations for failing to help Georgia, a U.S. ally that has been seeking NATO membership. "In a way," he said, "Russians are fighting a proxy war with the West through us."

The conflict centers on South Ossetia and another region claimed by Georgia that leans Russian, Abkhazia. When Georgia cracked down on South Ossetia on Aug. 7, Russia sent its tanks and troops into the two regions and deeper into Georgia proper.

Georgia, bordering the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia, was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union.

Abkhazia lies close to the heart of many Russians. Its coast was a favorite vacation spot in Soviet times and the province is just down the coast from Sochi, the Russian resort that will host the 2014 Olympics.

Russia has distributed passports to most in South Ossetia and Abkhazia and stationed peacekeepers there since the early 1990s. Georgia wants the peacekeepers out, but Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has insisted they stay.

Jeffrey Mankoff, an adjunct fellow for Russian studies at The Council on Foreign Relations, said it was too soon to tell the real intentions behind Russia's push into Georgia.

"On the one hand this could be a way to set up a buffer zone between the separatist regions, and on the other it also seems there is an aspect of disbanding the Georgian military aspects," Mankoff said.

In defiance, a few dozen Abkhazian fighters, some with assault rifles and one with a dagger, planted their red, white and green flag in Georgian territory across the Inguri River.

"This is Abkhazian land," one of them said. Another laughed that Georgians retreating from Abkhazia had received "American training in running away."

The peace plan apparently would allow Georgian forces to return to the positions they held in South Ossetia and Abkhazia before Aug. 7 and clearly requires Russia to leave all parts of Georgia except South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Nevertheless, Georgian Security Council chief Alexander Lomaia said 50 Russian tanks entered Gori on Wednesday morning. Some of the Russian units that later left to camp outside the city were camouflaged with foliage.

The convoy was mainly support vehicles, including ambulances, although there were a few heavy cannons. There were about 100 combat troops and another 100 medics, drivers and other support personnel.

About six miles away from the camp, about 80 well-equipped Georgian soldiers were forming what appeared to be a new front line, armed with pistols, shoulder-launched anti-tank rockets and Kalashnikovs.

Sporadic clashes continued in South Ossetia where Russians responded to Georgian snipers.

In the Black Sea port of Poti, and Georgian television showed boats ablaze in the harbor. Georgia's security chief also said Russian forces targeted three Georgian boats, while Lavrov said Russian troops were nowhere near the city.

For several days, Russian troops held the western town of Zugdidi near Abkhazia, controlling the region's main highway. An AP reporter saw a convoy of 13 Russian tanks and armored personnel carriers in Zugdidi's outskirts Wednesday. Later in the day, Georgian officials said the Russians pulled out of Zugdidi.

Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko issued a decree Wednesday saying that Russian navy ships deployed to the Georgian coast will need authorization to return to the navy base Russia leases from Ukraine.

The rights group Human Rights Watch said it has witnessed South Ossetian fighters looting ethnic Georgians' houses and has recorded multiple accounts of Georgian militias intimidating ethnic Ossetians. The report was important independent confirmation of the claims by each side in the Russia-Georgia conflict.

Meanwhile, at the Olympics in Beijing, Georgia and Russia clashed in competition for the first time. Georgia rallied to beat Russia in beach volleyball, two sets to one.

"Russia and Georgia are actually friends. People are friends," said the Georgian beach volleyball team leader, Levan Akhtulediani. "I say once again, its better to compete on the field rather than outside the field.

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Associated Press writers Christopher Torchia reported from Zugdidi, Georgia, and near the Kodori Gorge; Matti Friedman and Sergei Grits from outside Gori, Georgia; Misha Dzhindzhikhashvili and David Nowak from Tbilisi, Georgia; Vladimir Isachenkov, Jim Heintz, Lynn Berry and Angela Charlton in Moscow; Matthew Lee, Pauline Jelinek and Lolita C. Baldor in Washington; John Heilprin at the United Nations; and Carley Petesch in New York contributed to this report.

OUTSIDE GORI, Georgia — A Russian military convoy defied a cease-fire agreement Wednesday and rolled through a strategically important city in the former Soviet republic of Georgia, which claime...
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- teron678 I'm a Fan of teron678 135 fans permalink
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Serves Georgia Right .. They started the War ...... Don't Let the MSM brainwash you into believing otherwise ...........

Russia is the Good guys in This War!!!!!!!

MSM is just trying to Brainwash the American people into another Unjustified War ... Whether it's with Russia or Iran .......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 08/13/2008

While I believe that Russia is NOT the aggressor here, I still think their heavy-handed response was total overkill. Things can't be broken down into "Good" or "Bad" when dealing with ethnicites and territories in the former USSR.

However, the MSM is clearly not reporting Gerogian aggression against breakaway states which was a factor in the Russian response. I have heard NOTHING about this from any media outlet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 08/13/2008
- rwt1138 I'm a Fan of rwt1138 12 fans permalink

There are no good guys in this war. Georgia provoked a Russia that was looking for an excuse to smack them. Russia obliged, and smacked them. Saakashveli decided to try to take South Ossetia with high card, hoping Russia wouldn't play its straight flush. Nobody who understands what, if anything, was going through Saakashveli's skull is talking.

Nobody in the MSM is trying to provoke a war in the Caucuses, at least not one involving us. We don't have the troops to send and wouldn't have any way of getting them there if we did.

Georgia is an ally, Russia isn't. The MSM deals in simple narratives, much like professional wrestling. They don't hire many people capable of grasping nuance, and fewer who can report it. Hence, Georgia: poor, innocent country inexplicably attacked by big, evil, hairy Russians.

Don't ascribe to malice that which is more easily explained by lazy stupidity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 08/13/2008
- Baculus I'm a Fan of Baculus 6 fans permalink

More like, don't let the Russian media brainwash you:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/13/georgia

See, a fair number of us DO ignore the MSM. We don't live and die by CNN or FoxNews. At the same time, we don't fall for the shenanigans from Pravda and Russia Today, either.

Unlike yourself. So, while you are complaining about the MSM, you are simply watching the Russia version of it.

Russia is NOT the good guys in this war. They are a hostile military in another nation.

Maybe you need to listen to your own words.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 08/13/2008

Lets see if i got this right.The U.S. has been arming and traing the georgian army.John mccain has one of the top lobbiests for georgia working for his campain.Georgia instigates a war with russia.Russia responds with overwhelming force.John Mccain talks tough to russia.Is this what mccain meant when he said there will be more wars my freinds?Am I misiing something?Are we scared yet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 08/13/2008
- AmandaBC I'm a Fan of AmandaBC 619 fans permalink
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Don't let mere facts get in the way of US government pro_paganda...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 08/13/2008

I'm not letting the facts get in the way of anything - as there are no 'facts' yet.

It's hard enough to figure out whose propaganda I'm hearing, let alone who's 'right' or 'wrong'

And as for 'pro-american' propaganda, the 'pro-russian' propaganda is equally as biased.

No one's going to know the real truth until independant witnesses can verify it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 08/13/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 239 fans permalink
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'Are we scared yet?'

More like disgusted, really.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 08/13/2008
- AmandaBC I'm a Fan of AmandaBC 619 fans permalink
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Don't let mere facts get in the way of US government propaganda...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 08/13/2008
- rwt1138 I'm a Fan of rwt1138 12 fans permalink

We trained a light, counterinsurgent force, to better deal with possible uprisings in ethnic enclaves. We never promised them an invasion or expeditionary force, nor did we deliver one. We never promised them a heavily armored defensive force, nor did we train one. Basically, we gave them an army capable of dealing with domestic problems; they used it to sucker punch Russia.

It would be like you teaching your kid brother a few moves to keep him from getting pushed around by the neighborhood kids, and him then picking a bar fight with Mike Tyson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 08/13/2008
- Baculus I'm a Fan of Baculus 6 fans permalink

Do ANY of you know what you are talking about?

The Georgian army is SMALL. It is not a large regular army. Quit pretending it is some large force heavily equipped with all the newest weapons.

Some of you folks are just a mouthpiece for Pravda, aren't you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 08/13/2008
- LarsGruber I'm a Fan of LarsGruber 35 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 08/13/2008

stay on topic for a change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 08/13/2008
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Try taking your own advice, BradPicksBoogers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 08/13/2008

If he picks Bush, he may well be :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 08/13/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 239 fans permalink
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'I'm going to tell putin, the president of GERMANY..' _JSM

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 08/13/2008
- SCG2 I'm a Fan of SCG2 24 fans permalink

Like you should talk?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 08/13/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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Have you ever been on topic, Badlee?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 08/13/2008

You mean to tell me a communist lied? That can't be! They are the pinnacle of society.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 08/13/2008
- AmandaBC I'm a Fan of AmandaBC 619 fans permalink
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Poor relic of the cold war. Russia is no longer a communist country. What part of PRIVATE SECTOR can't you understand?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 08/13/2008
- LarsGruber I'm a Fan of LarsGruber 35 fans permalink

He requires an enemy to justify his fragile ego.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 08/13/2008
- meanguy I'm a Fan of meanguy 17 fans permalink

and you believe that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 08/13/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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He has an entire collection of 80s Chuck Norris movies,...I think he knows a thing or two about geopolitics.

You go, Chicago!! Don't let those critical thinkers keep you down, BOYEE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 08/13/2008
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Earth to numb-nut, Russia hasn't been "Communist" for over 17 years!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 08/13/2008
- joanndarc I'm a Fan of joanndarc 3 fans permalink

You simply could not be "Communist" after WWII and Stalin gulag, unless you are really into S&M. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 08/13/2008

But Russia remains its true self: an Ugly Imperialistic Bear!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 08/13/2008
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I guess that means you're a communist, since you li.e.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 08/13/2008

"Pinnacles of society" are those who allow BUSH=MCCAIN to control the bloody OIL. If not ... they are "terrorists"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 08/13/2008
- Baculus I'm a Fan of Baculus 6 fans permalink

These folks do not understand that Putin is authoritarian, because they are witless.

They can complain and cry about the US, but when it comes to authoritarianism in other nations, they don't CARE.

Why? Because, in short, they are "blame the US first" anti-Americans. Russia could launch ICBMs at the US and they would STILL be blaming the US for it.

Look at 'em - have any of them offered ANY objection over Russian behavior? No, because they just do not care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 08/13/2008

Let's be serious for a while. This forum is too blubbering for my taste. Russia must be asked daily if she would start a Third World War, if anyone seriously believes that "she could do so"! She cannot without destroying the world! That is why NATO should not fear to speak its mind before Medvedev!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 08/13/2008
- AmandaBC I'm a Fan of AmandaBC 619 fans permalink
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Bu$h and the US government are **ALWAYS** on the side of "freedom", the **FACTS** be damned, of course...

"Russians with access to the Internet or international cable news are able to piece together a fairly thorough picture of the conflict. Citizens in Georgia are not able to do that, since their government shut down broadcasts of Russian TV and has blocked websites in the .ru domain."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117990468.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 08/13/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 239 fans permalink
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Putie: 'Thar 'terrists' in 'dem thar hills!' With 'WMDs!' Me thinks a 'regime change' is in order.

Where's the problem, neonuts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 08/13/2008
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Seems like UU cowboy diplomacy to me. I am not sure why Repubs are so upset.

Russian style shock and awe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 08/13/2008
- gnorrfa I'm a Fan of gnorrfa 4 fans permalink

when israel bombed part of lebanon into rubble, not a word about it from the mouth that opens only to change feet. the same sort of thing happens in ossetia and the russians respond with the same brutality cheney, who sincerely doesn't understand he's powerless, makes threats and dubyah responds in kind.
now he's sending rice (can i get nice shoes there?) to further muddy the waters. sarkosy's doing fine, but bush must be the "peace" president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 08/13/2008

I guess the ALl Powerful O just doesn't have the Gravitas to stop Russia after all.

Who was it that said, "...and I very very happy the Senators request for a ceasefire has been complied with..."?

Oh yea, the VP wannabe Tim Kaine.

So Oh Great One O, please stop the Russians and bring back the sun

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 08/13/2008
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It's interesting that no one but complete morans like you ever refers to O in such terms.

He isn't the president---yet.
It's not up to him to stop the Russians, and it never was.

Kaine has said, repeatedly, that he doesn't want to be the VP.

So you've not told the truth about anything in your comment.
Par for the course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 08/13/2008
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Well, naturally, get the dem candidate to do the shirker-in-chief's job. WTF are you so impressed with up there in DC anyway?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 08/13/2008
- LarsGruber I'm a Fan of LarsGruber 35 fans permalink

Bush is still president. Where's he during all this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 08/13/2008
- ErikW65 I'm a Fan of ErikW65 14 fans permalink

Full of bluster, making silly, hypocritical pronouncements, calling for respecting territorial integrity as if he had any credibility at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 08/13/2008

Yup its Obamas fault.Are YOU ready to go fight the russians big man because we have NO MORE TROOPS{thanks to your so caled president}.And what is BUSHES plan?You remember YOUR president?The one in charge?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 08/13/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Obama will get things done using dialogue.

...and, NO! - Not the kind of dialogue McLesion had with his NV captors to get preferential treatment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 08/13/2008
- meanguy I'm a Fan of meanguy 17 fans permalink

yes, a speech! a pretty speech! after all, that's how he solved the racial divide in amerikkka, wright?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 08/13/2008
- Swerinjer I'm a Fan of Swerinjer 9 fans permalink

Did Russia in fact agree to a truce? I can't tell from the article. It's implied but never explicitly stated.

I'm suspicious because the western media has been trying to blame Russia for the conflict even though it was Georgia that was the aggressor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 08/13/2008
- Baculus I'm a Fan of Baculus 6 fans permalink

What part "Russia has invaded Georgian territory and is spreading out" do you not understand?

Let me guess: Another person that believes that the Georgians actually attacked RUSSIAN territory?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 08/13/2008
- AmandaBC I'm a Fan of AmandaBC 619 fans permalink
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Did Saddam attack any part of the US territory, you wingnut hypocrite?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 08/13/2008

Fact are funny things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 08/13/2008
- nezumi I'm a Fan of nezumi 2 fans permalink

Yes, me, actually. Had Russia intended to fake a Georgian attack to justify annexation they would have gone through with it. Why stop? So it looks like Georgia really was stupid enough to attack. Because US were their friends and would certainly bail them out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 08/13/2008
- BuyRubles I'm a Fan of BuyRubles 2 fans permalink

Yes they did. Even if they didn't invade, they shelled Tshknivili (sic), stormed the town w/ tanks and killed many innocent civilians. Let's throw the word invade out the window. Even then, you can't go as far as to Russia invaded Georgia, they responded to aggression which meant weakening the Georgian government and annexing two provinces of Georgia with Russian citizens that were constantly menaced by Georgia.

In my opinion, I think Putin/Mehvedev (sic) brilliantly used the Bush Doctrine for legitimate aims. The threat, this time, was NATO, and now Georgia has almost no chances of joining the Western military alliance. I'm sorry, but the Abkhazians and S. Ossetians want nothing to do w/ Georgia. If the Kosovars were able to break away from Serbian domination, why should the same be denied to the Abkha and S. Ossetians?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 08/13/2008
- AmandaBC I'm a Fan of AmandaBC 619 fans permalink
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What part "Georgia has invaded South Ossetian territory (90% ethnic Russian) and ki_lled 2000 people" do you not understand?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 08/13/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 239 fans permalink
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AP= A ssociated P r o p a g a n d a.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 08/13/2008
- alaintex I'm a Fan of alaintex 2 fans permalink

You seem like such a noble minded person in the first post, then you set up the most pointless (and weakest) straw man argument using silly McNickNames to erase all your credibility. Too bad.


CuriousPerson

OK... Mc attack supporters, which is more important the McAttack campaign or the USA?

Posted 11:59 AM on 08/13/2008


CuriousPerson

Last night I was trying to organise a debate between two or three of the left's best and brightest and two or three of the right's brightest and best (snicker), and H u f f p o deleted the whole conversation.

I'm really tired of the tro//s doing these hit and run comments. Who among you from either side is willing to expose yourselves to an hour or so of open *POLITICAL* questions?

Posted 11:59 AM on 08/13/2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 08/13/2008
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And you are always on point with your remarks?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 08/13/2008

Its not a nick name, its his whole reason for being.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 08/13/2008
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 168 fans permalink

In view of this georgia mess, wonder if all the idiots, regardless of party affiliation, are still happy with their vote to attack iraq. And their continued funding of that fiasco. I'm a life long straight ticket voting Demo. I want the speaker and the leader of the senate replaced afer the new Dem president takes over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 08/13/2008

A) NONE OF OUR BUSINESS

B) WE HAVE PLENTY OF OUR OWN PROBLEMS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 08/13/2008
- UnbiasView I'm a Fan of UnbiasView 20 fans permalink

Really? So just let any allie of ours get stomped?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 08/13/2008
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Oh, I see you were briefed on the Boosh response.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 08/13/2008
- JackND I'm a Fan of JackND 28 fans permalink

I guess making the world safe for democracy was a passing fad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 08/13/2008

Do you consider Georgia an ally, or just a country friendly to us? Because we have such a "long" history of mutualsupport, I'd consider them the latter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 08/13/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 239 fans permalink
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Maybe you'd like to pull the funds, equipment, and manpower out of your rear end, to wage a war against another superpower? Perhaps russia should have done more than complain when the us invaded eyerack, no?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 08/13/2008

What do you plan to do about it, big boy?
What can you do about it, big boy? Thanks to Bush / Cheney we are stuck in Iraq (enjoy the fruit of stupidity).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 08/13/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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I'm tired of Putin chumping our President:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSOOCos6Es4

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 08/13/2008

Get used to it; you can't do much, your stuck in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 08/13/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 239 fans permalink
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I love it!! Who in h3II would be lectured by THIS i d i o t?!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 08/13/2008
- joanndarc I'm a Fan of joanndarc 3 fans permalink

Did you hear the news:" Russians found WMD in Georgia ".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 08/13/2008
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Heh.

So that's where they are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 08/13/2008

Where's Bin Laden?
Forgotten?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 08/13/2008
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I have noticed that one of the Repub defenses of UU’s inaction against Russia is that Russia has nukes and we don’t want to have a nuclear war

Well this argument doesn’t work either.

See that was the exact reason we invaded Eyerack: the mushroom cloud and smoking gun thing. We invaded Eyerack to prevent Saddam from using its nuclear weapon to kill innocent Israelis and Americans.

Russia has nukes and has attacked a Christian democracy, so where is the surge?

Where is the “bring it on”?
Where is the “disarm or be disarmed”?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 08/13/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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All talk. These Neocons have trashed our foreign policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 08/13/2008
- joanndarc I'm a Fan of joanndarc 3 fans permalink

Isn't it a positive development for the rest of the World?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 08/13/2008
- SCG2 I'm a Fan of SCG2 24 fans permalink

"This will not stand."

We only save that talk for backward third world countries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 08/13/2008
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