Clinton, Obama Conflict Trumped Up By RNC

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August 15, 2008 02:53 PM


Over the past few weeks, the Republican National Committee has made it a point of pride to send out memos portraying a great fissure between the respective camps of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

Last Thursday, for instance, saw an email with the subject line "The Healing Process Was Far From Over." Earlier the party blasted out stories showing Clinton supporters demanding a vote at the Democratic Convention. Then, when that vote was granted on Thursday, the RNC sent out a clip from Michael Goodwin of the New York Daily News, titled "Barack Obama blinks in Hillary face-off."

It's enough to give the impression (certainly, it's designed to give the impression) that chaos is ripping apart the Democratic Party, leading waves of Clinton backers to the precipice of defecting to John McCain.

It is almost completely untrue. In actuality, as Marc Ambinder noted on Friday and as several Clinton confidantes have told the Huffington Post, the two Democrats are far closer towards political unity than imagined when their primary fight ended.

"This is all a tempest in a teapot driven by a whole lot of media sources and the RNC looking to make trouble," said Mike Berman, a longtime Democratic hand and friend of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Moreover, Thursday's announcement that Clinton would get a roll call vote at the convention -- in the process placating her supporters and providing her with the chance to state her support for Obama -- is seen even by the most hardened Clinton fanatics as an important step towards reconciliation.

"I was on record saying I didn't think this was a good idea, because I was worried about the PUMA [Party Unity My Ass] supporters, people who are indifferent to a McCain presidency and are only driven by anger, which is not to criticize them, that is a genuine emotion," Lanny Davis, one of Clinton's more vocal supporters, told the Huffington Post. "That is reality and I thought that giving her a roll call vote would be destructive and counterproductive at the convention, because it is impossible to control the way the media would cover it. The most vocal Obama critics would be surround by 50 television cameras and be given their 50 seconds of fame."

It turned out, Davis went on, "that I had less faith than my candidate and Sen. Obama... The compromise they have just announced pulls off the exact solution that allows people to cast their votes and allows people like me to separate ourselves from the five percent of folks who weren't going to support Obama no matter what."

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So how to explain the incessant speculation that the Clinton and Obama camps are irreconcilably at odds? There are a number of theories. The primary battles, which went on longer than any prior, are still fresh in people's minds. Bill Clinton's off-the-cuff failure to offer even the slightest hint of rhetorical support for Obama is giving observers a false impression. Certainly the relatively slow mutual fundraising efforts haven't helped matters. And the occasional political misstep (like, say, having a "Pray for HRC and her supporters" event posted on Obama's website by his backers) is an irritant as well.

But the most significant contributor towards the overstated perception of animosity is also the most obvious: the individuals invested in the idea that Obama and Clinton cannot overcome their differences are the ones speaking the loudest.

On Friday, a superdelegate told the Huffington Post that after the roll call vote was announced, she was sent more than 250 separate emails from PUMA representatives urging her to buck the primary results.

"The Democratic VOTERS want you to support a real winner and leader. The American PEOPLE want you to. Common Sense wants you to. A commitment to DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES wants you to.

PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING. AMERICAN DEMOCRATS AND VOTERS WILL SUPPORT YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE AND WILLINGNESS TO STAND UP TO PARTY INSIDERS BY REPRESENTING THE VOICE OF THE VOTERS."

There is no similar effort, for obvious reasons, coming from Clinton supporters who are content with how the process has played out.

Then, of course, there is the Republican Party, which directly benefits from the perception of irreconcilable differences between the two camps. John McCain, for starters, has made direct overtures to Clinton backers. The RNC, meanwhile, has resorted to an email campaign that seems more designed to drive a media narrative than document actual political events.

"I don't think Hillary has pushed [the Obama camp] hard about what she wanted in particular... so I don't know what the big deal is. People are looking to make something that is not here, which is my view. And if it is the Republicans doing it that drives home the point that they are making something out of nothing," said Berman. "She will give a great speech at the convention. Her supporters will cheer for her vigorously, and then Obama will take it over and very few people will remember that there was ever talk of problems."

Over the past few weeks, the Republican National Committee has made it a point of pride to send out memos portraying a great fissure between the respective camps of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. ...
Over the past few weeks, the Republican National Committee has made it a point of pride to send out memos portraying a great fissure between the respective camps of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. ...
 
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The RNC doesn't need to do anything- the DNC is doing a fine enough job over on their "Party Builder" blog. They are banning Clinton supporters left and right. What a great way to "build" the party- silence the people who disagree with you.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 08/20/2008

The MSM should be asking the question, do we want more leaders from the party that has relied so heavily on lies, deceit, manipulation and the takeover of the airwaves? Of course, they won't. But maybe Obama supporters can get out that sentiment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 08/18/2008

I wish that Hillary would personally call the dozen or so PUMA leaders and tell them to knock it off and get behind Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 08/17/2008

Imagine this scenario. Obama announces that Hill is his VP before the convention and the roll call will play out ever so smoothly! I participated in a survey that was a link to one of the articles on Huff post's Hillary page and it ask the question of who you think Obama will pick. Hillary had the most votes. Evidently there are more people out there that feel Hill is the best choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 08/17/2008

Hillary is NOT going to be the choice. Get over it. Can you imagine Bill and Hill just down the hall from the oval office double teaming him every time he turned around. He will never do that. It would be a total distaster for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 08/18/2008

The RNC isn't the only culprit. The MSM is feeding on on this issue and would like to extend the "controversy" as long as possible. Ratings, you know. If there is an odds on favoraite in this race, who will sit glued to their nightly reports? It would help, though, if the Clintons were more openly enthusiastic and frequently seen in support of Obama. I don't begrudge Hillarey her day in the sun at the convention. She ran one hell of a race despite some bad advice and unscupulous advisisors. If she were the nominee, I would happily support her, and pledged that from the beginning, as did many Obama supporters. And it was tough for me, and, I suspect, many others, to make a choice between the two. My biggest problem is with Bill: he should get over it already and be proud of his own presidency (despite Monica-McCain's no angel in that department) and his wife's accomplishments. She could go on to become a great Senator or great something else, and he is still a relatively young man with a great heart at bottom, I believe, who has done much for the country and the world. I'm not in the mood to quibble over details. We have an election to win and a country to put back on the right track!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 08/17/2008

You make some excellent points. Please know that Hill supported Obama the moment she conceded and started campaigning for him. According to Huff Post sources, she gave 500k to Obama's campaign per verbal agreement. I'm not going to go off the deep end say Obama can't win without her, but why not go with what most believe is the sure victory agaisnt McCain! Why take that chance, and given that the RNC stirred up false reports about their being conflicts between the two.....well than that is just more reason to pick Hill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 08/17/2008

Then again if Hillary had run a decent and respectable campaign instead of getting into the Character assassination business and conceded when she lost, we would not be discussing/debating unity issues at this late stage of the game

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 08/17/2008

What better way to shove it right back at the RNC by Obama picking Hill as VP. I predict that none of the MSM pics for VP (Biden, Bayh, & Kaine) make it. It really says something that Obama has agreed to a roll call. I don't think anyone predicted that one to happen. Hey, if he's worried about Bill, which may be another untruth, tthen he can always make him an Ambassador to keep him busy and let Hill do her thing. I totally agree with the last paragraph in this article. It was PUMA who got things sizzling, not Hill. Every Dem needs to support Obama and make this the biggest landslide election in history for the party! I think his VP pic is going to be a surprise. No matter who it is, Dems need to vote for Barrack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 08/17/2008

Oops, didn't mean to put in the extra R.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 08/17/2008

The tempest stirred up over the Denver convention could attract a television audience that otherwise would have tuned out. I'm a hand-wringing Obama supporter who would do well to trust the candidate. Each week brings a further demonstration of his mastery of the process. I think his brief record is a reasonable concern that could explain the tight polling. If it's race, heaven help our country as it stumbles down the slope toward a failed democracy. I'd prefer think it's the former.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 08/17/2008
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And comments viciously attacking the Clintons here on Huff just help to perpetuate the MSM/RNC story of a split party. Are you people so determined to maintain the Democratic tradition of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory? We Obama supporters have been spending months encouraging Clinton supporters to "get over it." Now that a solution has been agreed on by the Obama and Clinton camps, isn't it our turn to "get over it"? You're not behaving like gracious winners, folks. You and I know that PUMA is an insignificant group that survives only on the attention it gets from outsiders, so quit lending them a helping hand by shadowboxing them and IGNORE THEM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 AM on 08/17/2008
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To think, all he has to do to insure victory in November, is choose her as a running mate, but he will not. No, that tiny head houses a massive ego, incapable of doing what is right to win, somewhat deluded to think his choice matters not, that he is the candidate capable of winning alone. Haaaaaaaaaa!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 08/17/2008

OHMYGOD!

I really cannot believe you people.

You are still at it with the carping and whining about the C's.
the insults, the sophomoric wing-nut, mis-informed rhetoric.
Sheesh.
give it a rest.

do you want to win?

thiink about it.
seriously.

Hey, how about this?
How would you want O to be treated if he lost so closely with such controversy?

NO!
I'm not asking for your paranoid delusions and projections of how you believe HRC wiould treat him. its likely he would be the VP slot... but aside from your deranged imaginings, how would you wish him to be treated.

There you go.

did you watch the faith forum?

I sure wish his supporters were as thoughtful, generous, and decent as he appears to be.

What a crowd of nasty a$$ed whiners.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 08/17/2008

Any other candidate would have conceded after Super Tuesday, for the good of the party and the country that desperately needs a Democratic administration to follow the Bush Dark Ages.

Any other candidate would have started campaigning for the winner on Wednesday.

Why does she need more coddling than any other candidate who ever ran for the nomination?

Why are her supporters so needy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 08/17/2008

I can't understand how they think this is going to help party unity. RNC unity maybe. Some folks can't take rejection. Hill and Bill lost! Move on, join the repubs or run as an independent. Sensible Dems are sick of Hill!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 08/17/2008

Why are his supporters such a***holes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 08/17/2008

I have to hand it to the Republcans on this one. The PUMA's are this election cycle's SWIFTBOATERS.. Notice how the media always helps the Republican efforts.

There aren't enough PUMA's to fill a phone booth, but look at all the media coverage they get. In 2004 I never saw the Swiftboat ad because I live in New York City, and it only ran in certain states, yet the Media must have talk about it for 2 months.......... ooops my bad they are still talking about it.

If HRC really wanted O-bam-a to win she would have publicly and declaratively disavowed the PUMA's, but that is what someone with class would do. So we shouldn't expect HRC or BJC to do that. Jennifer Flowers comes to mind.

O-bam-a is put into a bind because if he or his people publicly &itch slap them it will get reported by the biased media in some negative way and help the J W McBush campaign.

God Bless America, we are going to need it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 08/17/2008

Hillary has absolutely no desire to run in 2012. Bill and her would be delighted to see Sen. Obama victorious this fall. Yep, must be an RNC plot. Hold the thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 08/16/2008

Got to love the "progressive" bickering here on the HuffPo.

The Dem party has become one of race based or gender based entitlement.

And surrendering Iraq to Iran or al Qaeda.

Nothing more.

I miss the "Two Americas" haircut guy.

______________________________

Character is a 'distraction" - NOT an ISSUE

BHO '08!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 08/16/2008

Ya, but neither of these people are by any measure "progressive"...everyone seems to have either forgotten that or not bothered to notice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 08/16/2008

www.govtrack.us is a non partisan, independent group that tracks and rates candidates by analyzing their votes, their sponsored and co sponsored bills and any other minutia.
they even show absenteeism.

Anyway.
Hillary Clinton is rated as a far left Democrat, as liberal as liberal gets...(Chris Dodd rated the same btw) O is rated "rank and file"
Bayh moderate/centrist.

You can look up anyone in the house and senate and get the rating and see all of their bills and votes.
Very enlightening.
I know it undercuts the preconcieved, neocon narrative about HRC, but hey, facts are facts.
You don't want to be like those crazy right wing nuts who don't really care about the facts do you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 08/17/2008

Isn't it special? After the aggrievewd BIll and Hillary cry their eyes out, they again get their way.
Catharsis is at hand. After her appearance, there should be a bra burning, joints should be lit up, and
Hillary pillows should be provided to pummel the nearest man. Maybe then the sixtys will finally come to an end. I for my part will seek healing by turning off my television while Hillary jabbers away.I have had enough of the Clintons and their nonsense.Girls get over it before John McCain teaches you the real meaning of misogyny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 08/16/2008

my god.
Another hate troll.
What don't you get about unity and solidarity.

Do you really think that the democratic Convention should be changed after all these years and everything should be done to your specifications?

Educate yourself on the process.

Please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 08/17/2008

Ohmercy: What don't YOU get about the fact that HILLARY LOST..... period???? End of conversation. When the Clintons, you, and her other diehard supporters understand THAT, as the majority of the true-Dems who supported her have already done, THEN unity and solidarity will become reality.

Dem nominees win the nomination by amassing the largest number of delegates during the primaries and caucuses. YOU need to educate YOURSELF on the process.

Please.

And, stop being condescending to others when you demonstrate your OWN ignorance so blatently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 08/17/2008

oh yes, they get along well...on TV only.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 08/16/2008

Hey oscarp meyer - you are a wiener!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 08/16/2008
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