Georgia President: We'll Never Give Up Breakaway Provinces

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CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA | August 17, 2008 11:56 PM EST | AP

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An aid worker looks on as residents wait for humanitarian aid distributed from a bus in Gori, northwest of the Georgian capital Tbilisi, Sunday, Aug. 17, 2008. Russian military authorities issued a flurry of conflicting reports Sunday about whether Russian troops had begun to pull out of South Ossetia, one of Georgia's two separatist provinces. (AP Photo/Darko Bandic)

GORI, Georgia — Russia's president promised to start withdrawing forces from positions in Georgia on Monday, but suggested they could stay in the breakaway region at the heart of the fighting that has reignited Cold War tensions.

Top American officials said Washington would rethink its relationship with Moscow after its military drive deep into its much smaller neighbor and called for a swift Russian withdrawal.

"I think there needs to be a strong, unified response to Russia to send the message that this kind of behavior, characteristic of the Soviet period, has no place in the 21st century," Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Sunday.

But neither Gates nor Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would be specific about what punitive actions the U.S. or the international community might take.

Bolstered by Western support, Georgia's leader vowed never to abandon its claim to territory now firmly in the hands of Russia and its separatist allies, even though he has few means of asserting control. His pledge, echoed by Western insistence that Georgia must not be broken apart, portends further tension over separatist South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

In Gori, a strategic central city in the small former Soviet republic, there were signs of a looser Russian grip _ and scenes of desperation as Georgians crowded around aid vehicles and grasped for loaves of bread.

Georgia hit the Russia-backed separatist region of South Ossetia with a massive barrage on Aug. 7, and Russian troops rolled in, advancing far into the Caucasus Mountain nation and raising fears of a long-term occupation of a country at the center of a power struggle between a resurgent Russia and the West.

The troops would leave, a Russian lawmaker said, "sooner or later."

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"But how much time it will take, it depends, definitely, on how Georgians will continue to behave," said the lawmaker, Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of a Russian parliament foreign affairs committee.

Rice, who is flying to Europe on Monday to talk with NATO allies about what message the West should send to Russia, said Russia can't use "disproportionate force" against its neighbor and still be welcomed into the halls of international institutions.

"It's not going to happen that way," she said. "Russia will pay a price."

French President Nicolas Sarkozy warned Russia's president of "serious consequences" in Moscow's relations with the European Union if Russia does not comply with the cease-fire accord.

Later, Sarkozy said in an opinion article published on Le Figaro newspaper's Web site that if Russia did not "rapidly and totally" follow the pullout specified in the cease-fire, he would "have to call an extraordinary meeting of the Council of the European Union to decide what consequences to draw."

Medvedev had told Sarkozy that Russian troops would begin pulling back on Monday, headed toward South Ossetia. He stopped short of promising they would return to Russia.

The New York Times, citing anonymous U.S. officials who were familiar with intelligence reports, reported Sunday that the Russian military moved missile launchers into South Ossetia on Friday.

The U.S. officials told the Times that Russia deployed several SS-21 missile launchers to positions north of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital. That would put the missiles within range of Georgia's capital, Tbilisi, the Times reported on its Web site.

The EU-backed cease-fire agreement calls for Georgian and Russian troops to withdraw to the positions they held before fighting broke out Aug. 7.

But Medvedev's silence on South Ossetia has fueled fears that Russia could annex the region, which _ like Abkhazia _ broke from Georgia government control in the 1990s and has declared independence. Getting Abkhazia alone would increase the length of Russia's Black Sea coast by more than 25 percent.

"Georgia will never give up a square kilometer of its territory," Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili told a news conference alongside Germany's Angela Merkel, the latest Western leader to visit Tbilisi and offer support for the country he has led on a pro-Western path, seeking to shake off a history of domination by Moscow.

"I expect a very fast, very prompt withdrawal of Russian troops out of Georgia," Merkel said in a courtyard at Saakashvili's official residence. She reiterated a Western promise that Georgia will eventually join NATO, but said she could not say when that would happen.

As Merkel spoke, Russian tanks and troops continued to control a wide swath of Georgia, including the main highway running through the country, the strategic central city of Gori, the western city of Senaki and the Senaki air base.

On Sunday evening, Russian armored personnel carriers and tanks carrying military hardware traveled away from Senaki on a road that leads to Zugdidi, a city just outside Abkhazia _ possibly pulling out, though their destination was unclear.

In the western town of Zugdidi, residents took to the streets earlier Sunday to protest the Russian presence in Georgia. Demonstrators including politicians and Orthodox priests carried religious icons and sprinkled holy water as they marched, some holding red-and-white Georgian flags of pictures of Saakashvili.

"We are waiting for more support from other countries because this is not a war between Russian and Georgia, it's a war between civilization and barbarism," said Eldar Kbernadze, a member of Georgia's parliament who was among the protesters.

Saakashvili alleged that Russian forces, far from withdrawing, had moved closer to the capital Saturday and vowed to defend Tbilisi if necessary. He also accused Russia of ethnic cleansing and said Georgia would not accept the future presence of Russian peacekeepers.

A large banner hanging Sunday in front of the Parliament building in central Tbilisi read: "No war, Russia go home."

On the outskirts of the city, hundreds of Georgian refugees tended to children, tried to wash near open taps and sought shelter in tents Sunday in a makeshift refugee camp.

Georgia's government minister for refugees, Koba Subeliani, said there were 140,000 displaced people in Tbilisi and the surrounding area.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon is considering sending over several high-ranking U.N. officials, including monitors and a top official with the U.N. refugee agency, according to a U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

Elsewhere, the Russian checkpoint at the entrance to Gori was less fortified than in previous days. In the city, where buildings were blackened by fire from fighting or bombing, there was a light presence of Russian troops and a few tanks.

Marc Baldan, a surgeon from the International Committee of the Red Cross, which delivered some medicine and food in Gori, said the city's hospital was functioning and that drugs for heart disease, hypertension and diabetes, unavailable during the conflict, had been delivered.

"Each day looks better," he said. "But we still do not have the full picture."

But as clusters of people gathered by aid vehicles in hopes of getting loaves of bread, others had even deeper worries.

"I do not know where my children are and you can imagine how I feel about it," one Georgian woman named Manana, who did not give her last name for fear of reprisals, told an AP television crew in Gori.

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Associated Press writers David Nowak, Steve Gutterman and Jill Lawless in Moscow, and Michael Fischer and Matti Friedman in Tbilisi, Georgia, and Deb Riechmann in Crawford, Texas contributed to this report.

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- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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Conflicting quotes from the article....

"both now overrun with Russian troops and abandoned by Georgian soldiers "

"Georgia, which has sought NATO membership, launched a massive barrage Aug. 7 to try to take control of South Ossetia."

At least the article got it right, in that Georgia started it. But the first quote comes right off the bat, making one think that maybe Georgia was already in South Ossetia at the start of hostilities. They were not, Georgia couldn't have invaded S.O. otherwise. ;)

Quick background, anyone who is familiar or reads up on the conflict, knows that Georgia and South Ossetia have fought many wars against each other, all because of S.O.'s independence. South Ossetia has no oil, they have no resources at all to speak of. So what makes it so important?

And I think it's amusing, that the US insists on Chechnya breaking away and becoming independet, supporting their democracy movement even tho Chechnya fields some of the most brutal terrorists in the world. Yet, the US is against South Ossetian independence. Why the hypocrisy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 08/17/2008
- bluesnot I'm a Fan of bluesnot 13 fans permalink

Why the hypocrisy?

One conflict suits the Republican's election plans and the other does not.

Chechnya doesn't have the cachet and freshness of Georgia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 08/17/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

or the ports or oil line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 08/17/2008

The Initial bombing campaign that the Georgians hit the ossetians with killed 2000 people. 2000. Almost 9/11 proportions, until you realize that there are only about 65000 Ossetians in in the first place, and that 2000 dead is 3% of the population. that would equate to 9 million Americans.

The russians response, after the mass murder in the name of ethnic cleansing and subjugation caused by the Georgians, was tempered and responsible. They sought to neutralize the Georgian military threat to the largely harmless ossetians, and stave off a huge number of refugees entering Russia after the georgian ethnic cleansing campaign really got underway .

In contrast, Israel had several of Its soldiers kidnapped, and we green lighted, armed, and financed their outrageous bombing of Lebanon that killed thousands, displaced hundreds of thousands, destroyed Lebanons infrastructure, and left huge areas of the country uninhabitable after illegal cluster bombing. Furthermore, although Israel lost, they managed to nearly topple the US friendly government in Lebanon while massively EMPOWERING Hezbollah, whom they had set out to destroy in their arrogant, ill considered and horribly executed military debacle.

What kind of country are we that we would Give Israel a pass for needlessly killing thousands and destroying Lebanon's infrastructure for an offense that usually results in prisoner swap rather than a war, while we rail at the Russians for ending ethnic cleansing and genocide after the cold blooded murder of 2000, doing it in a focused and militarily responsible way (150casualties), andquicklyto boot?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 08/17/2008

We are the kind of country that has a head of state who probably believes they make so many monster movies in Japan because Japan is the only place that still gets attacked by monsters. I wonder if he was memorizing the kiddie book by reading it upside down -

Just like some of the 'boxers' in China believed that their Kung-Fu Nationalistic mythology made them immune to bullets, this neocon self righteous christianism has these fools thinking that they can never do wrong, and if they do, it's will all get sorted out when their sky fairy ends the world and accepts them into the clouds.

This capitalistic apocalypticism has to go so that America can get back to being part of the real world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 08/17/2008
- bluesnot I'm a Fan of bluesnot 13 fans permalink

You're limiting the motivations to ideology. Aren't you leaving something out? You know, money, wealth, loot, power?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 08/17/2008
- mnkors I'm a Fan of mnkors 5 fans permalink

Saakashvilli has been hysterical during numerous interviews he gives Western mass media since he was so strongly assured by the USA that the military support will be ready in case he starts his (mis)adventure. He formed this grandiose illusion of Greater Georgia nurtured by Condi and Cheney that now gives cognitive dissonance to this former New York lawyer. He was played for a fool. Welcome to the neocon world, Georgian fellow. Never mind that thousands have had their lives broken…
There is no accident that US had sent hundreds of marines to Georgia to take part in military exercises just few weeks before the Georgian assault on a peaceful city of Tskhinvalli. And of course, Israeli military advisors and weaponry were at hand before Saacashvilli ordered the bombardment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 08/17/2008

Saakashvii is in danger of losing his head and he's complaining about his hat.
Wait until Russia pulls out of the rest of Georgia first, then worry about South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 08/17/2008
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Maybe, but if you are bluffing, and are counting on a river card, why not bet the farm if you have already bet most of your chips?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 08/17/2008

The chips in this case being the lives of his own people, the future of his country, and no small part of our own already dwindling international standing.
Never play with what you can't afford to lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 08/17/2008

Russia kicked georgians Ass good. who started the war first? Georgia did. who shelled out S.ossitia? georgia did. The Georgian president should leave the office for the safety of that region. he was told by Condi Rice a couple of years ago not to instigate a war with Russia which he can NOT win. But this ignorant guy did and he got what he deserve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 08/17/2008
- tomomaha I'm a Fan of tomomaha 2 fans permalink

NATO expansion to Eastern Europe was bad enough, as George Kennan called it, the "the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-cold war era."

But at least those were self-made democracies. Expanding NATO to dependent leaders we have installed in Ukraine and Georgia is, as we are seeing, really a formula for disaster.

Russia is right to be afraid of encirclement. With a NATO nuclear umbrella, Georgia could easily start funneling weapons to anti-Russian Chechen terrorists, as it did in the 90's, seeking to aid in sparking conflagration throughout the entire North Caucasus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 08/17/2008
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So you think the Russians have every right to send tanks into the Czech Republic again? Or maybe Hungary?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 08/17/2008
- AmandaBC I'm a Fan of AmandaBC 612 fans permalink
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So, you think the Americans have every right to send tanks into Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq? Or maybe Grenada?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 08/17/2008
- tomomaha I'm a Fan of tomomaha 2 fans permalink

You exemplify the hyper-nationalistic conviction that Russians are as a nation evil - an extremely ideological and emotional view, even if it of course is based upon historical experience. Eastern Europe forgave the Germans, but never, never the Russians. No second chances for them. That's the problem.

I'm saying (along with George Kennan):

"Such a decision [NATO expansion ] may be expected to inflame the nationalistic, anti-Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian opinion; to have an adverse effect on the development of Russian democracy; to restore the atmosphere of the cold war to East-West relations, and to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking,"

That if we hadn't expanded NATO, Yeltsin would have never felt it necessary to promote Putin, and then his crowd.

NATO expansion and other efforts to gain influence over Russian democrats doomed any hope of the loyal democratic forces in Russia. I was there, and they were quite alive in the 90s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 08/17/2008
- Destin I'm a Fan of Destin 55 fans permalink
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Rumplestilskin, what does any of that have to do with Tibet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 08/17/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

They don't need the carcasses of Eastern Europe anymore; that's what cruise missiles are for.
The Central Asian republics are another matter, they contain OIL and GAS and they're not going to let us get our hands on it, that's all there is to it. China is with them on that,wanna pick a fight with them too ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 08/17/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 291 fans permalink

You can fool most of the people, most of the time?

Here's what happened: for the shock doctrine loving BushCo war profiteers, chaos, conflict and war ar all money makers. They also allow more fascism to be imposed on the frightened public.

So the US wanted to sell snake oil missiles to Poland. McCain's foreign adviser took money from the Georgian government then turned around and convinced them that Ossetia was their and they should take it back now! the Israelis sold them weapons, and the USA trained them just weeks before. The Russians, see the war game training, were prepared to support the Ossetia requested Russian peacekeepers as a result. The Georgians planned this attack for the Olympics start.

In this context, The Georgians claims of "rebel factions attacking" are bogus.

The Russians, tired of the attacks and eager to squash a blatant USA client state land grab, demolished Georgian military capability.

This scared the Polish government into agreeing to install the snake oil US missiles that don't work.

War profiteering mission accomplished.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 08/17/2008
- JackND I'm a Fan of JackND 27 fans permalink

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/2575421/Russia-distributing-passports-in-the-Crimea.html

It would seem that Russia is issuing passports to people in Ukraine now, a clear violation of Ukrainian sovereignty.

So, who did Ukraine invade to be blamed for this conflict waiting to happen?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 08/17/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 291 fans permalink

Can't stay on topic . can you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 08/17/2008
- Anciano I'm a Fan of Anciano 17 fans permalink
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Such concern from the American State Department! The oil that flows through the pipeline across Georgia is partially owned by Chevron. Guess who negociated the oil leases for Chevron? A most valuable employee who speaks fluent Russian. Chevron was so grateful that they named a tanker for that employee. It's since been renamed, but for many years it was the tanker "Condolezza Rice".

Richard Perle, the author of the "War on Terror", t.m. GOP, is now in a new line of business: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/29/ex-pentagon-official-perl_n_115547.html
"The Wall Street Journal reports that neoconservative war architect Richard Perle is getting back into Iraq: Influential former Pentagon official Richard Perle has been exploring going into the oil business in Iraq and Kazakhstan, according to people with knowledge of the matter and documents outlining possible deals. " The road to oil profits is paved with the skulls of American servicemen and/or environmental destruction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 08/17/2008
- iblis I'm a Fan of iblis 2 fans permalink

After going through all the comments on the Russia-Georgia imbroglio for the past few days, I am now firmly convinced that everything is the fault of the US. Only today I spilt a cup of coffee over my trousers, and foolishly thought that I was responsible. However, I now understand that it was fascist US imperialist control of the coffee market providing me with cheap coffee through the exploitation of the imperial power, that was at fault. If it hadn't been for the US imperialism I would never have drunk the coffee! Down with the reactionary imperialist USA! For all those far left knuckle dragging apes, for whom the tearing down of the of the Berlin Wall was the greatest misfortune to have befallen mankind and hope to build a new one, and before you''ll start whooping like chimpanzees in a zoo cage, flinging feces at each other, in case you'll missed it, I was being sarcastic. To paraphrase Mark Twain,"Reports of America's demise are greatly exaggerated". Here are the latest headlines to screw up your Sunday
1)Ukraine offers satellite defence co-operation with Europe and US
2)FRANCE WARNS RUSSIA OF 'CONSEQUENCES' IF GEORGIA DEAL NOT RESPECTED
3)Ukraine and Georgia to be NATO Members: German Chancellor
4)Presidents of Poland, Ukraine, Baltic states head to Georgia in a show of solidarity
5)Ukraine imposes restrictions on Russian navy
6)E. Europe tries to protect itself from Russia
7)"Peacekeepers who invade a sovereign country -- that's a failure." Latvian President Zatlers tells reporters

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 08/17/2008
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I think you had one too money cup of coffee, My Friend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 08/17/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

That's today's headlines ; let's wait and see what tomorrow's bring.
It's just starting now, seat back and enjoy the strategic maneuvering.
Europe needs what Russia has to offer, let's see how they handle that.
Oh, by the way , don't forget, this struggle is going asymmetrical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 08/17/2008
- tomomaha I'm a Fan of tomomaha 2 fans permalink

Totally Cool! "You're all Untermenschen [sub-human], etc. etc. etc." and then "in case you missed it, I'm being sarcastic" at the end to dare the victims of the attack to be angry at the "humor."

What a twist of the dagger at the end!

This attack may even reach the exalted intellectual heights of Ann Coulter!

Such ad hominem fulminations from the "love it or leave it" school of public discourse actually undermine the policy argument. At least in this forum!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 08/17/2008
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I just see points of fact in the listing. Why not address those in the context of the discussion. Making fun of your opponents is part of the fun here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 08/17/2008

Deny God and blame Georgia for the invasion by Russia. Obama are you listening to your liberal friends here. Time to act and take their advice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 08/17/2008
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Take my advice, yuck off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 08/17/2008
- ZHarris I'm a Fan of ZHarris 48 fans permalink
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You are so polite ;)

Me, I see a skillet in his future...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 08/17/2008
- JackND I'm a Fan of JackND 27 fans permalink

I'm absolutely amazed at the Georgia-blaming here. Russia has been itching for this fight, provoking Georgia (and other neighbors) economically and technologically for at least two years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 08/17/2008
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But G-eorgia took the bait and paid dearly..........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 08/17/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

So if Russia was itching for this fight, why did Georgia fall into the trap ?
You'd think that after been a part of the U.S.S.R. all those years they would know how the Russians operate.
Poor leadership and lack of wisdom got them what they have now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 08/17/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 137 fans permalink
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Actually it's been more like 5 years. However, Georgia initiated a conflict, it could not win. Russia was simply flexing their muscles.

There's an old saying, "Don't start a fight, unless you know you can win". Georgia never stood a chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 08/17/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

Knowing that, wouldn't it have been smart for Saakashvili to sit on his weapons? Unless Bush/McCain promised him nukes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 08/17/2008
- Jimmyboyo I'm a Fan of Jimmyboyo 19 fans permalink

Eggs

Georgia attacked first!!!! Have you even watched the news?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 08/17/2008
- AmandaBC I'm a Fan of AmandaBC 612 fans permalink
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You should know the neocon mantra: if it's not on Faux News, it never happened...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 08/17/2008

Yeah Obama, have you even watched the news ? Spill the beans Obama and blame Georgia !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 08/17/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 137 fans permalink
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Obama doesn't need to deny God because of the actions of Georgia or Russia. As for blame, I think there's enough of that going around. Now someone needs to take responsibility for their actions, and be held accountable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 08/17/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

What does God have to do with this? Aren't you aware that, even under Stalin, some churches were allowed to function? The citizens of South Ossetia probably look on this situation as proof that there is a God. What short sighted house of worship did you attend today?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 08/17/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 110 fans permalink
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As if the Germans want war with Russia over breakaway provinces in Georgia. I doubt it. You think the Booo$hies run everything?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 08/17/2008

O needs to go buy Ghost ReCon for his Xbox360 so he can formulate a game plan for this conflict if he is elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 08/17/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

Actually, I recommend that he reads ' The Art of War ' and ' Lessons of the Masters of Huainan ' 5 or 6 times and always have them handy in the oval office to review as the need arises.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 08/17/2008

Most of you people are idiots. You blame everything on Bush/Cheney. I suppose you think the Russians will drink the Obama cool-aid and turn into good guys who want Obama to lead the world away from oil and toward energy independence.

When Obama is president, the world will love him and no longer hate America and all will all come together in peace. Iran will join Israel and the Palestinians in a love fest. Mexico will seal its border and the drug cartels will surrender. Big oil will see the light and stop producing gasoline and put all their past profits into finding alternative energy. the Chinese will not only free Tibet but also its own people. Obama will be crowned Prince of the World -- no, King of the World. No one in Africa will ever starve again or get AIDS or be chopped up by muslims again. Republicans will all convert and abortions will be free for everyone and Osama bin Laden will come to America and say he's sorry and Obama will make him head of Homeland Security and no one will ever carry out a suicide bombing again.

I can't wait.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 08/17/2008
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I'm not sure about the O.sama as head of Homeland Security part.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 08/17/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

He might actually be more efficient than Chertoff. Of course, he will have to deal with HoJo's being head of the commitee that runs all that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 08/17/2008
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O Lard, kumbaya!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 08/17/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

And, under the new health care plan, you will get a lifetime supply of Valium, anti-psychotic drugs and therapy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 08/17/2008
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The Georgian president is a bit of a loose cannon. Someone needs to tell him he's not running a talk show where he can just shoot his mouth off about anything. He's running a country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 08/17/2008
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McMaroon is just the one to tell him that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 08/17/2008
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 110 fans permalink
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He's trying to emulate his hero, Boo$hie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 08/17/2008

Well, if the west decides to corner Russia, Iran will be armed with nukes sooner than we thought, and Osama will move from his cave to an apartment in Moscow. Of course a new Lada with a Virgin. LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 08/17/2008
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